#: 20660 S1/General Interest 31-Dec-94 12:19:30 Sb: #20654-Merry Christmas! Fm: Rogelio Perea 72056,1204 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) ... threadin' in: Have a Happy New Year's Celebration Bob! (et al at this forum).. Yes, there are still some OS9 fans around. I know for sure that I'll use it throughout '95 (in my CoCo 3) and for what I can project, '96 should be also a good year to do something with OS9. I recently got my hands on several OS9 packages: C, Pascal, D.L.Logo, DeskMate3... and have been having a ball souping them up to OS9LII (like Logo) and doing some basic (still) C and Pascal programs... it seems like my CoCo OS9 time for '95 is allocated :-) I'll try to get to this forum an excerpt from an article about the taken and brought subject of "Plug and Play"....... and what us OS9ers have been having for YEARS NOW!! Rogelio Perea #: 20665 S1/General Interest 01-Jan-95 14:43:51 Sb: #OS9 for 6809 & Serial Fm: Ben Williams 74774,3106 To: ALL Hi there. I have an interest in getting OS9 up and running in a very simple 6809 environment. It's got one serial port and a terminal (Soroc IQ120, if it matters... I can make it act like anything I want to in point of fact). It's currently set for 56k of ram and 8k of ROM, but I can change that, too. So, how do I go about obtaining OS9 for this thing? Anyone know? Should I contact Microware, or are there dealers for this kind of thing? For that matter, is Microware still the owner, or a going concern? Thanks for any information. This project has been stalled for a long time, and I'd *really* like to get it up and running. Ben There is 1 Reply. #: 20668 S1/General Interest 01-Jan-95 19:30:53 Sb: #20665-#OS9 for 6809 & Serial Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051 To: Ben Williams 74774,3106 (X) > Hi there. I have an interest in getting OS9 up and running in a very > simple 6809 environment. > > It's got one serial port and a terminal It's currently > set for 56k of ram and 8k of ROM, but I can change that, too. So, how do > I go about obtaining OS9 for this thing? Should I contact > Microware, or are there dealers for this kind of thing? Some of the rest can answer that question better than I, but FWIW, I would suspect that if a system has been developed for that machine, you would probably have to contact some middle party. MW provides only the Kernel for the system, and the people down the line develop the drivers etc. > For that matter, is Microware still the owner, or a going concern? Oh, yes, they ave very much a going concern. Currently, they are involved in the video-on-demand projects. > Thanks for any information. This project has been stalled for a long time, > and I'd *really* like to get it up and running. Well, if your main concern is just to get OS9/6809, and you don't have any particular reason to put this machine in gear, I would suggest you get a Tandy Color Computer 3 with OS/9 Level 2. It will support lots of memory - they currently have boards that will expand memory up to 2 Meg. The drivers and quite a bit of software are already here, and it's quite a potent machine. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ There is 1 Reply. #: 20669 S1/General Interest 02-Jan-95 00:54:16 Sb: #20668-#OS9 for 6809 & Serial Fm: Ben Williams 74774,3106 To: David Breeding 72330,2051 (X) > Some of the rest can answer that question better than I, but FWIW, I would suspect that if > a system has been developed for that machine, you would probably have to contact some > middle party. MW provides only the Kernel for the system, and the people down the line > develop the drivers etc. Well, "that kind" of a machine is in fact not a machine at all, but an emulation. What it is an emulation _of_, at least right this second, is an SS50 machine with Psymon monitor. I can load any monitor you please (assuming I have code for it, anyway... I have GMXBUG and SWTBUG as well as Psymon, but they're pretty poorly designed by comparison, IMHO) I think Microware would be the place to start, as I can write the drivers (disk, serial, timers, etc) very easily, inasmuch as I can define those things to do anything I want. :-) Unless someone sells a new serial based OS9, or someone has an old version. I do have a CoCo, _and_ the originally released version of OS9 for it, but that's not licensed for the kind of use I intend to put it to - only for use on the old CoCo, which isn't up to the computing speed I have available in the emulation (which is actually running under a 25 mhz 68040 and runs considerably faster than a 2 mhz 6809)... more like 5, of which there aren't any. :-) Ben There is 1 Reply. #: 20670 S1/General Interest 02-Jan-95 21:19:27 Sb: #20669-OS9 for 6809 & Serial Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051 To: Ben Williams 74774,3106 (X) > I think Microware would be the place to start, as I can write the drivers > (disk, serial, timers, etc) very easily, inasmuch as I can define those > things to do anything I want. :-) OK, I see.. Then probably what you need to do is to see what MW can do for you. I really don't know how they operate in this regard. The only problem might be that they might not sell a license for one machine, but it doesn't hurt to ask. > for use on the old CoCo, which isn't up to the computing speed I have > available in the emulation (which is actually running under a 25 mhz 68040 > and runs considerably faster than a 2 mhz 6809)... more like 5, of which > there aren't any. :-) Yes, there _would_ be something of a difference. I have now gone to a 68020-25MHz running OS9/68K (from Delmar). There is quite a difference in the speed between the two. I hope you can find what you need.. and maybe someone else here can help to steer you in the right direction. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ #: 20671 S1/General Interest 04-Jan-95 13:59:06 Sb: #Environment Help Fm: DAn Crackel 73353,345 To: all After I boot up OS9, I have to set the CDEF environment variables to something other than the default. How can I change the default environment variables? There is 1 Reply. #: 20676 S1/General Interest 06-Jan-95 00:34:18 Sb: #20671-Environment Help Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 To: DAn Crackel 73353,345 (X) Do.... setenv CDEF /h0/lib #: 20679 S1/General Interest 06-Jan-95 05:09:22 Sb: Archive Files Fm: Tim Brock 100046,2467 To: All Can anyone tell me how to unarchive files with the arj extension. I am using OS9 68000 and would like to try the OS9MAX utility. #: 20705 S1/General Interest 13-Jan-95 17:42:38 Sb: #20679-Archive Files Fm: DTR 100302,3271 To: Tim Brock 100046,2467 Tim, this is a DOS *.arj archive. Please use the arj.exe utility. OS9MAX is a MS-DOS utility. DTR Kiel #: 20702 S1/General Interest 13-Jan-95 03:45:21 Sb: #ISP - non-blocking write Fm: Paul S. Dayan 100040,400 To: sysop (X) ISP - does a non-blocking 'send' cause the process to sleep under any circumstances? We have a real-time application that must send messages, but must not sleep, as it has only 1.5ms to complete all of its tasks. Thanks for your help. Paul Dayan, Galactic Industrial Ltd, UK There is 1 Reply. #: 20707 S1/General Interest 14-Jan-95 11:55:18 Sb: #20702-ISP - non-blocking write Fm: Kim Kempf 71161,3221 To: Paul S. Dayan 100040,400 >> ISP - does a non-blocking 'send' cause the process to sleep under any circumstances? We have a real-time application that must send messages, but must not sleep, as it has only 1.5ms to complete all of its tasks. Thanks for your help. << A sendto() will not block if the socket has been placed in non-block mode. If SOCKMAN decides it has to sleep (actually _ev_wait() on hi/lo water marks), it will check the no-block flag in the PD. If set, it returns E_WOULDBLOCK instead of blocking. I assume since you ask, it's not working this way? %-{ !^NavFont01F000D41GD3HGD6HHC0B788 #: 20719 S1/General Interest 19-Jan-95 14:55:30 Sb: #20633-os9max Fm: David A. Kirk 70233,3465 To: ALAN BAIN 100023,1147 I am about to spend the money (how much American?) but am hesitant due to it being overseas (VISA transaction ok?). Do you, or anybody else know anybody that has purchased it? #: 20715 S1/General Interest 17-Jan-95 15:43:32 Sb: Ultra C help Fm: DAn Crackel 73353,345 To: all Does Ultra C have the function itoa() to convert an integer to a string? #: 20723 S1/General Interest 26-Jan-95 13:51:16 Sb: #20719-os9max Fm: DTR 100302,3271 To: David A. Kirk 70233,3465 Please contact ARK SYSTEM USA CIS 74464,1751 or WINDSOR SYSTEMS USA stevenw@iglou.com #: 20721 S1/General Interest 23-Jan-95 14:22:06 Sb: GWINDOWS Fm: Tom Yost/AZ 76620,3324 To: ALL G-WINDOWS DEMO DISK IS AVAILABLE TO COMPUSERVE USERS. G-Windows is one of the most powerful Graphical User Interface software that run on top of OS-9 for the 68xx0 (G-64/VME systems/Industry Pack) or OS-9000 for the PC. The demo is packaged on four 3.5" floppies and you will need a 386 or better machine, 4M of RAM, a Logitech or Microsoft mouse on the COM port (built-in track balls are not supported with this demo), a 3.5" bootable floppy drive and a VGA display. To install, just insert the floppy in your bootable drive and restart your computer. Your PC will boot on OS-9000 installed on the disk, load all the disk's content in memory - this will take a moment - and start the interactive demo. Your hard disk will not be used in any way. This installation is a sharp short cut from the normal OS-9000 install and has been verified on many PCs. It may be, however, that the chip set organization of your machine is not compatible with the default parameters we have used. If so, you will not be able to run the demo although G-Windows and OS-9000 are compatible with your hardware. Also, the graphics have been set at 16 colors instead of 256 to be compatible with as many machines as possible - the actual product will only look better. To get your copy send a message with the address where we should send the free demo disks set to INTERNET:info@gespac.com or to COMPUSERVE 76620,3324. #: 20732 S1/General Interest 03-Feb-95 10:24:23 Sb: #Device Drivers Fm: Octec,Gary W Coutts 100447,423 To: all Hi there. Does anyone know where I can get my hands on device driver for serial board manufactured by PEP. The board name is VIOS Intelligent Quad Serial I/O Module. Bye There is 1 Reply. #: 20733 S1/General Interest 03-Feb-95 19:15:38 Sb: #20732-Device Drivers Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Octec,Gary W Coutts 100447,423 Hi. I believe that PEP themselves have a serial driver for the VIOS. I've also seen a "Ramnet" option for it... the VIOS communicates via the VME backplane as if it were on a network. We use VIOS cards here at work, but in a custom BOP (bit oriented protocol) RS485 multi-drop configuration... running up to 100 terminals per card. What kind of application do you have? best - kev #: 20760 S1/General Interest 14-Feb-95 14:12:26 Sb: #Catolog of Lib Files? Fm: Alan Fenstermacher 76424,1641 To: SYSOP (X) Is there a catolog of available files in the libraries? TIA :=) Alan There is 1 Reply. #: 20761 S1/General Interest 14-Feb-95 17:39:57 Sb: #20760-Catolog of Lib Files? Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Alan Fenstermacher 76424,1641 (X) Alan - You can go to DL1 and type: S/DES LIB:all [enter] Open up a capture buffer and save it to disk. Pete Lyall #: 20764 S1/General Interest 16-Feb-95 15:13:54 Sb: #What is OS9? Fm: Stan Towianski @wrk 74403,205 To: sysop (X) Hi, I heard our electrical group quote a job that was going to use OS9, but we didn't know what it was. I saw one note title referring I thought to X-Windows, and your notice says it is multiuser as well as multitasking, and I noticed someone asking for unzip for OS9. What in the world is it? Is it a speciallty OS for industry or what? There is 1 Reply. #: 20766 S1/General Interest 16-Feb-95 23:14:23 Sb: #20764-What is OS9? Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Stan Towianski @wrk 74403,205 Hi Stan, Two files that might help are in Library 2: INTRO.TXT and CDIOS9.TXT. The first describes OS-9 in some detail; the second is interesting because it describes why OS-9 was chosen as the OS for interactive CD players. Yes, it's a specialty OS for embedded realtime applications such as traffic light controllers, robots, remote telemetry platforms, factory control, autonomous aircraft piloting, and you name it. At the same time, it's used by a number of "regular" people as their home or office OS of choice on personal machines. In the realtime world it's pretty well known, as it's been around since about 1980... and yet is still pretty sharp for its age. It's one of the (if not THE) widest used realtime OS's in the world... but few non-industry people have heard of it. (Exception: the hundred thousand plus Tandy CoCo home computer users who had it.) best - kev #: 20775 S1/General Interest 18-Feb-95 16:54:17 Sb: #help Fm: tom farrow 72701,543 To: all Does anyone have pt68k4 in which you use the Alt-86 with PROCOMM if so can you tell me how to set it up? Tom Farrow (DENVER CO) There is 1 Reply. #: 20783 S1/General Interest 19-Feb-95 13:45:31 Sb: #20775-#help Fm: Bud Hamblen 72466,256 To: tom farrow 72701,543 (X) Tom, I've got a PT68K-4 that had an ALT86 in it until the ALT86 went intermittent. The ALT86 looks like an XT to MS-DOS software. Although I didn't spring for a copy of PROCOMM, there's no reason why it shouldn't work (unless you bought the Windows version by mistake). Bud There is 1 Reply. #: 20787 S1/General Interest 20-Feb-95 18:49:02 Sb: #20783-#help Fm: tom farrow 72701,543 To: Bud Hamblen 72466,256 (X) When I hook up the modem line I get almost all the lights on or none at all. I might need to get some help getting the I.O. port set up . The only real reason that I need to do this is because my work place doesn't have a real good system when it comes to OS9. I followed the instructions on the card , but to no avail. Thanks Tom Farrow There is 1 Reply. #: 20788 S1/General Interest 20-Feb-95 22:07:59 Sb: #20787-#help Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051 To: tom farrow 72701,543 (X) > When I hook up the modem line I get almost all the lights on or none at > all. I might need to get some help getting the I.O. port set up . > I followed the instructions on the > card , but to no avail. Thanks Tom Farrow Tom, You are trying to set up a System 4? Are you using the built-in ports or a serial card. If you are using the built-in ports, they are not set up for modem connections. The wires going to the 25-pin connector are switched so that they can be connected to a terminal, or possibly another computer. I have a System 5, and made up some more connectors from scratch, but you should be able to switch the pins (push them out from the front side and reinsert them. If you'll look closely, the 25-pin connector will have some little numbers by the pin holes. Here's the connection I got. Note: I'm giving these #'s as the WIRE NUMBERS on the FLAT CABLE. NOT the connector numbers that plug into the Motherboard. By "connector" I mean the 25-pin connector you plug your modem cable into. #1 DCD (This should have a little paint along its length to let you know it is #1) should go to pin 8 on the connector, but I don't think it was connected originally #2 #3 RX pin 3 #4 RTS pin 4 #5 TX pin 2 #6 CTS pin 6 #7 DTR pin 20 (Uhhh... maybe it was _this_ one that was not connected, and not DCD)... #9 Gnd pin 7 #10 If you're trying to install a serial card, you cannot directly install one in the computer. I think it has to have a minor modification done to it to make it work. I know the internal modem does. If you want to use a card, I suggest getting one from Delmar. They will make the modification for you _AND_ warranty it. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via InfoXpress/OSK - Vr. 1.02 *** There is 1 Reply. #: 20795 S1/General Interest 21-Feb-95 22:15:53 Sb: #20788-help Fm: tom farrow 72701,543 To: David Breeding 72330,2051 Thanks for the info and I'll talk with Delmar in the future. I really appreciate the help I get from the OS9 folks. Tom Farrow. #: 20812 S1/General Interest 27-Feb-95 04:38:01 Sb: OS-9 PROGRAMMERS WANTED Fm: Yvan Borcard 100140,675 To: Andreas Martschitsc 100045,3464 I am software specialist in OS-9 system.During the last 4 years our R&D group has developed many control softwares,communication protocols,OS-9 drivers for real time application.By the way we are actually working with PEP Modular Computers. Ivan. Borcard. #: 20827 S1/General Interest 06-Mar-95 22:00:17 Sb: #20611-#DAT drive descriptor Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 To: CHRISTOPH STUMMER 100067,1570 (X) As far as I know, the DAT drives work with the OS-9 V3.0 viper descriptor. We have used them at work. You might check with Carl Kreider as we are using his sbviper driver. - Mike - Carl? Have you seen this message? There is 1 Reply. #: 20830 S1/General Interest 08-Mar-95 07:22:51 Sb: #20827-DAT drive descriptor Fm: CHRISTOPH STUMMER 100067,1570 To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X) thank you christoph #: 20813 S1/General Interest 28-Feb-95 15:47:07 Sb: #Os9 Fm: Gilbert C. Steve 76151,2353 To: ALL Just curious... Is anything new happening with Os9? I was a die-hard user for many many years, but business pushed me away, and into more mainstream computing. I would love to hear from some of you regarding the changes. The last time I used Os9 was ... hmm I guess about four years ago. I was running a coco with a burke & burke Hard drive adapter and 70 megs of hard drives, running level 2 Os9 with an enhanced shell ( I forget the name of the shell) Thanks Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 20819 S1/General Interest 03-Mar-95 19:15:35 Sb: #20813-Os9 Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051 To: Gilbert C. Steve 76151,2353 > Just curious... Is anything new happening with Os9? I was a die-hard user > for many many years, but business pushed me away, and into more > mainstream computing. > The last time I used Os9 was ... hmm I guess about four years > ago. I was running a coco > running level 2 Os9 with an enhanced shell ( I forget > the name of the shell) I guess the name of the shell you refer to was "shell+". I don't know if there have been too many earth-shattering developments since your last involvement.. Possibly the discoveries about the Hitachi 6309, (you may have heard about this). If not, Motorola contracted with Hitachi to make a CMOS clone of the 6809, supposedly with the stipulation that it be an EXACT duplicate. However, during development, they introduced some new registers (E & F) were 8-bit, combined, they made the "W" register, and "D" and "W" combined to make "Q", a 32-bit register. Burke&Burke wrote some system patches for this (called it "Powerboost"), and another group (Gale force) made their own (NitrOS9). I got Powerboost, and could tell a difference on some things - "mdir" especially seems to come up nearly twice as fast. Since then, Burke & Burke has disappeared from the scene. There has been several new software enhancements etc for the programs. Don't know if they were available when you were around, but now we have some pretty reliable ZModem functions, at least one good QWK mailreader for BBS usage. InfoXpress (you might be familiar) is a really great automatic mail handling program designed strictly for CIS and Delphi. Many of us now have graduated to OSK. I have gotten a Delmar system myself - really don't use the coco too much anymore. The MM/1 has been resurrected and now is again in production. David Graham is now the mfr. of the system, and it appears that he is getting them out, apparently a little better than IMS, not sure. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via InfoXpress/OSK - Vr. 1.02 *** #: 20818 S1/General Interest 02-Mar-95 18:42:45 Sb: #Yes, I'm still alive. Fm: David L. Kaleita 72657,2775 To: All-Music Guide 72662,144 Howdy folks. Yes, I am still alive, but am rarely on CompuServe these days. If anyone wants to reach me, send me email through the CompuServe/Internet gateway. My internet address is "usfmc2fp@ibmmail.com". Internet email will reach me directly at my desk at work (Ford Motor Company). I check for internet email multiple times per day. How's things in the OS-9 world? Does anyone know if Microware is planning a port of OS-9 to the Power PC? There is 1 Reply. #: 20829 S1/General Interest 06-Mar-95 23:34:18 Sb: #20818-Yes, I'm still alive. Fm: David M. Horn 73260,242 To: David L. Kaleita 72657,2775 The PowerPC version of OS-9 is announced. Release status is not firm from my point of view. David Horn #: 20841 S1/General Interest 13-Mar-95 14:36:42 Sb: Os9 Fm: Gilbert C. Steve 76151,2353 To: David Breeding 72330,2051 (X) Thanks for the update, David. I was wondering about OsK, and the MM1. The MM1 was just coming out as I was Migrating away from the motorolla chip set. Thanks again ... who knows maybe I'll break out my old Coco III and give it a go! Steve #: 20838 S1/General Interest 12-Mar-95 15:21:58 Sb: #20829-#Yes, I'm still alive. Fm: David L. Kaleita 72657,2775 To: David M. Horn 73260,242 (X) Where was it announced? I didn't see any mention of it in the last issue of PIPELINES that I received. There is 1 Reply. #: 20843 S1/General Interest 13-Mar-95 20:22:20 Sb: #20838-#Yes, I'm still alive. Fm: David M. Horn 73260,242 To: David L. Kaleita 72657,2775 (X) David, I think you have to ask your area Microware sales guy real nice. I think I received a product announcement and a white paper. If you need help getting your hands on the information, send a response or email with your address and fax number and I will try to dig the stuff out of my messy desk. David Horn There is 1 Reply. #: 20845 S1/General Interest 15-Mar-95 19:08:53 Sb: #20843-Yes, I'm still alive. Fm: David L. Kaleita 72657,2775 To: David M. Horn 73260,242 (X) Great! David L. Kaleita 35757 Drake Drive Sterling Heights, MI 48310-7406 Home FAX: (810) 264-6030 #: 20863 S1/General Interest 25-Mar-95 14:27:54 Sb: MicroWare Happenings? Fm: Guy B Meredith 71371,3462 To: All Is MicroWare taking up contracts with any more companies since the announcement of the baby Bell contract? I heard of a system used to rip Postscript which has a proprietary OS which sounds like a MicroWare product. They won't mention the name of the company doing the OS lest the competition pick up on the idea of the real time non-DOS system. Guy #: 20877 S1/General Interest 29-Mar-95 07:48:43 Sb: #OS/9 for 486... Fm: Simon Gauvin 72074,204 To: Anyone Does anyone know of a version of OS/9 for the PC486 platform or even for the Macintosh? There are 2 Replies. #: 20879 S1/General Interest 29-Mar-95 21:09:07 Sb: #20877-OS/9 for 486... Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Simon Gauvin 72074,204 I believe it's called OS9000 (for the PC), a rather professional system available only from Microware. -ph- #: 20881 S1/General Interest 30-Mar-95 21:11:20 Sb: #20877-OS/9 for 486... Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051 To: Simon Gauvin 72074,204 > Does anyone know of a version of OS/9 for the PC486 platform or even for > the Macintosh? Yes, for both. I've heard mixed reports about the PC version. OS9 has been ported to the Mac by at least one company - Gibbs Laboratories, I believe it is. If you're interested, I or someone can look up details for you.. Might be in a FAQ file here, not sure. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via InfoXpress/OSK - Vr. 1.02 *** #: 20896 S1/General Interest 09-Apr-95 18:00:03 Sb: MM1 for sale Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: All I've decided to sell my MM1. Interactive Media Systems MM1 Package: - Slim case - I/O board - 3 Megabytes RAM - 3 serial ports, 2 parallel ports - 1.4 M and 360K floppy drives - Conner 170 Megabyte SCSI hard drive - Tandy CM-8 color monitor (w/glare screen) - 101-key XT/AT switchable keyboard - Genius Mouse 3 (3-button) - Labtec CS-150 speakers (w/MM1 sound cable) - Owner's manual Asking $1300 + shipping Hugo Bueno Delphi: MRGOOD Compuserve: 71211,3662 Internet: mrgood@delphi.com #: 20899 S1/General Interest 10-Apr-95 04:02:26 Sb: Job Wanted Fm: Yvan Borcard 100140,675 To: Yoshiaki 76661,344 Ohio gozaimasu, Senior software engineer (4 years experience In R&D group with OS-9, Vme system).We have develloped industrial control software and communication protocol.Also fieldbus as profibus,modbus,interbus-s are known.I am actually looking for a job in Japan. Hearing from you. Ivan Borcard. #: 20903 S1/General Interest 13-Apr-95 00:43:25 Sb: #20367-#Windows95 Fm: - Visitor 76461,533 To: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 (X) I cant stand windows and would like to find a better os/ just to becom destupified what is os/9 and does it differ from IBM os/2? comon sens tels me that is so let me know thank's Terrence There is 1 Reply. #: 20904 S1/General Interest 13-Apr-95 18:39:11 Sb: #20903-#Windows95 Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: - Visitor 76461,533 > ..... what is os/9 and does it > differ from IBM os/2? comon sens tels > me that is so let me know thank's > Terrence > Excuse me jumping in here. Although your question is directed at Frank (and he is better qualified than I to answer it) I'm not sure how often he checks the forum messages here, so I will give you some info until you get a better answer. OS-9 is VERY much different from OS/2, it is similar to UNIX, and is sold by Microware. Originally it ran on the Motorola 6809 CPU, but now OS-9/68000 runs on the 68xxx family and another version, called OS-9000, runs on the 80x86 chips too. It is a multitasking, multiuser system - one comment I saw somewhere was "OS-9 is what OS/2 wants to be when it grows up". It is called a "real-time" operating system, and is very much in use for industrial controls. ((I will leave a more exact definition of "real-time" to those who understand it better)). The ONLY disadvantage of OS-9 that I can think of is that you can not buy software for it at your local "Computers-R-Us". Commercial software tends to be a little more expensive than that for the more popular platforms. The good news is that UNIX stuff ports easily (most of the time) and a lot of good applications can be found here (and on other services). ******************************** John R. Wainwright <> <> There is 1 Reply. #: 20905 S1/General Interest 13-Apr-95 20:07:56 Sb: #20904-#Windows95 Fm: tom farrow 72701,543 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X) I agree that windows and os2 are very popular and I don't think that they can touch O't touch OS9 . I would like to see more software developed for us. I am looking for graphing and spreadsheets, and for graphicsn* > za]w=pfq*i&WlIL\,J%([ I really appreciat the fine software that is out there now , but lets get more. Tom Farrow There is 1 Reply. #: 20907 S1/General Interest 14-Apr-95 16:28:38 Sb: #20905-Windows95 Fm: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 To: tom farrow 72701,543 (X) Hey, if you want to do graphics with OS9: there is "Gwindows", from the swiss company Gespaq (try to call their support hotline), and of course there's the good old Xwindows (very expensive) BTW: Yes, Windows crashes - so does OS9. They all crash. #: 20913 S1/General Interest 17-Apr-95 18:13:45 Sb: #20896-#MM1 for sale Fm: Ronald Tietz 72345,42 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X) Just Read your message and was wondering if could part with the I/O board only, because for the last 5 years I've been waiting for Black Hawk enterprises to get there I/O Boards working!! Best Regards Ron Tietz. There is 1 Reply. #: 20915 S1/General Interest 20-Apr-95 20:44:16 Sb: #20913-MM1 for sale Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: Ronald Tietz 72345,42 Sorry, I would much rather sell the unit as a whole. Main reason is I want it to remain usable until I sell the MM1. My greatest fear is that I won't be able to sell it... Hugo #: 20908 S1/General Interest 15-Apr-95 09:20:29 Sb: #goodbye Fm: Zack Sessions 71532,1555 To: all Hi All! It is with a heavy heart that I must post this following message. For all intents and purposes, I have "gotten out of" OS-9. I still have my MM/1 and fire it up occasionally, but only to cruise the OS-9 forums with InfoeXpress. I am not doing any OS-9 program development. I can't remember the last time I fired up on of my CoCos. At any rate, I will cease reading all OS-9 forums as of this weekend. If you wish to contact me, I have an Internet account from my "new" PC. My general EMail address is "joecool@vnet.net". Primarily for the benefit of CoCoers/OS9ers who attended last fall's 'Fest in Atlanta (or for anyone else who reads this and is also interested), I have digitized several fest type photos which Allen Huffman was so kind to release into the public domain. I have these on my PC available through the Internet via Anonymous FTP. When you login, just cd to the gfx/atlfest.94 directory and GET the ones you would like. I especially liked ALLEN.GIF and L2UG.GIF. I am not set up to be a continual Internet site, but I will try to leave the link up for most of the weekend to accomodate any requests for these pixs. Feel free to browse the other gfx directory there as well, if you have a JPEG viewer. The JPEG files in the other directory are all original scans by yours truely. As for the availability of my line of OS-9 software products, for the CoCo3 and the MM/1, they will now be available from Bill Wittman. He has purchased ownership of them and will work to improve/add to the MM/1 based products. For the many years of warm friendship in the OS-9 community, I thank you all from the bottom of my heart. I wish for each and everyone of you a long life of happiness and prosperity. Zack Sessions ColorSystems ------------------------------------ Zack C Sessions If you're not the "lead dog", the scenery never changes. There are 3 Replies. #: 20909 S1/General Interest 15-Apr-95 11:14:49 Sb: #20908-#goodbye Fm: Zack Sessions 71532,1555 To: Zack Sessions 71532,1555 (X) >Primarily for the benefit of CoCoers/OS9ers who attended last fall's >'Fest in Atlanta (or for anyone else who reads this and is also >interested), I have digitized several fest type photos which Allen >Huffman was so kind to release into the public domain. I have these >on my PC available through the Internet via Anonymous FTP. When you >login, just cd to the gfx/atlfest.94 directory and GET the ones you >would like. I especially liked ALLEN.GIF and L2UG.GIF. Whoops!! I forgot to publish the anonymous ftp server info!! (Thanks, Newton!) Using ftp client software login to remote host "arrakis.vnet.net". Log into the username "anonymous". The server software I use, Chameleon V4.5 from Netmanage, requires a password for the anonymous account in the format of an Internet address. It does not have to be your real internet address, although I would prefer that it was. It does have to be in the format of an internet address, though, ie, "username@system.domain". ------------------------------------ Zack C Sessions If you're not the "lead dog", the scenery never changes. There are 2 Replies. #: 20910 S1/General Interest 16-Apr-95 10:10:16 Sb: #20909-goodbye Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: Zack Sessions 71532,1555 (X) Nuts! Another "old timer" gone. We will miss you Zack. With the prices of all the new systems available, I can't blame anybody for jumping into the "mainstream". I have both the MM/1 and a fancy "486", but as anyone who has seen the collection of computer stuff in my house will tell you, I am completely nuts. You could poke your head in the door and wave once in a while. Best of Luck, Zack ******************************** John R. Wainwright <> <> #: 20911 S1/General Interest 16-Apr-95 11:14:41 Sb: #20909-goodbye Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 To: Zack Sessions 71532,1555 (X) I echo the sentiments of others; we will miss you. I may not SEEM active here in the forum, but I have never missed reading all the messages at least once a week, and your contributions, both in conversation and software, have been valuable. I'm sorry to see you go. I, too, have a 486 system, with A LOT of very nice software, but I still have the CoCo 3 set up in a place of honor right beside it and it gets turned on frequently. Indeed, there are some tasks that cannot easily be duplicated on the PC, and others that I refuse to move over to the PC so as not to leave the CoCo in retirement. Do stop by and say hello from time to time; it costs almost nothing. #: 20912 S1/General Interest 16-Apr-95 22:01:31 Sb: #20908-goodbye Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Zack Sessions 71532,1555 (X) Zack! - We'll miss you, buddy. You can always do like Kent does... just show up at the 'Fests for the fun of it . A lot of us (well, not me yet :) have PCs, but it's still a gas making these OS9 systems do neat stuff. I've just ported K-Windows to the GMX 68040 system, for example. Even support the Soundblaster card plugged into its EISA bus. This sucker screams. It's almost twice as fast as the 68040 PEP systems at work. Please stop back in once in a while, at least. And take care. See you in NC sometime! best - kevin #: 20914 S1/General Interest 17-Apr-95 18:16:26 Sb: #20908-goodbye Fm: Ronald Tietz 72345,42 To: Zack Sessions 71532,1555 (X) Hi I was wondering of you could or would part with your MM/1'S I/O Board? Best Regards Ron Tietz. #: 20916 S1/General Interest 20-Apr-95 22:07:54 Sb: #hello Fm: tom farrow 72701,543 To: 76510,5772 Hi Bob Long time no talk. I saw somewhere that you are comming up with something new Ved . I would like to see more on that subject. In the mean time is it possible to use MVEF to set the function keys to do the escape sequences for printers? I would like to see how to set VED to work with a mouse or at least to use the arrow keys. I down loaded the cal program and I find it very nice and I am going to send in the form soon. I look forward to hearing from you soon. PS Are there any OS9 mags out there? Tom Farrow 72701,543 There is 1 Reply. #: 20920 S1/General Interest 22-Apr-95 21:52:56 Sb: #20916-hello Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: tom farrow 72701,543 (X) Tom, I assume that is message was intended for me...me CIS # is 76510,2203; not 76510,5772. Hmmm, did I get the last part of my id and phone number confused? Or did you? Anyway... Yes, a new version of Ved will be avail. RSN. It will be at the Chicago 'fest; and I will be sending out update notices to registered users next week. This will be version 2.4.0. Yes, you can use MVEF to set up ved for function keys. 1st, create a keyboard table (from the keyboard definitions menu). Don't forget to save it! Then just edit the command set and create a new env file. Shout if you have specific problems... Don't know about any remaining OS9 magazines, except for the user's group MOTD. Anyone else? #: 20917 S1/General Interest 21-Apr-95 01:24:35 Sb: Computer History Book Fm: David A. Greelish 102014,3631 To: All Hello, I just want to spread the word a little! First, let me tell you about our new book: "Historically Brewed: Our First Year". It's a 110 page trade paperback containing dozens of the articles from "Historically Brewed" issues #1 - #6. These first editions are hot off the press. Second, "HB" is the magazine of computer history and is published by the Historical Computer Society, an interesting and unique group with many fascinating stories to tell. Basically, to join HCS is to subscribe to the magazine. It is a small printed magazine (20 - 24 pgs), but filled with stories of the people and machines which changed our world. Issue #8 contains: "DEC's pdp-8 part II, the first line of small computers", "For The Collector", "Intro to Classic Computing", "Home Arcade Enthusiast", classic computer cartoons, lots o' letters, classifieds and more. It is sold in both of the computer museums here in the U.S. We have over 300 readers with many overseas. To purchase our book or to subscribe, please write me directly. Please also help us spread the word! Hope to hear from you! Best, David Greelish, HCS #: 20925 S1/General Interest 25-Apr-95 14:39:15 Sb: OS/9 bulk disk copy? Fm: Hans Van Schepdael 100530,1015 To: all Dear, My disk duplication facility has a problem! I want to duplicate OS/9 floppies on a TRACE copier. The copier, however, can't read those disks. Are there drivers available for the TRACE copiers so that OS/9 disks can be duplicated. Many thanks for the help. Hans #: 20934 S1/General Interest 27-Apr-95 12:30:30 Sb: DAVID System Fm: Ugo Alvazzi del Fra 73364,3312 To: all Does anybody know something about DAVID system ? What I know actually is: - runs OS/9 - supports the RAVE environment I would appreciate much any further information. Thank you, Ugo Alvazzi del Frate Rome ITALY #: 20935 S1/General Interest 28-Apr-95 14:04:23 Sb: CoCo Fest Update Pt#1 Fm: Rogelio Perea 72056,1204 To: ALL NEWS RELEASE NEWS RELEASE NEWS RELEASE Here are the 5 "W's" WHO? 1) The Glenside Color Computer Club of Illinois presents WHAT? 2) The Fourth Annual "Last" Chicago CoCoFEST! WHEN? 3) April 29th & 30th, 1995 (Sat. 10am-6pm; Sun. 10am-4pm) WHERE? 4) HOLIDAY INN ELGIN (A Holidome Indoor Recreation Center) 345 W. River Road (A city block from I-90 & IL-31S) Elgin, Illinois (Same great location as last year!) Overnight room rate: $55.00 (plus 10% tax) Call 1-708-695-5000 for reservations. Be sure to ask for the "Glenside" or "CoCoFEST!" rate. >>>>> YOU MUST REGISTER UNDER COCOFEST TO GET THIS RATE <<<<< WHY? 5) A. To provide vendor support to the CoCo Community B. To provide Community support to the CoCo Vendors C. To provide educational support to new users. D. TO HAVE AN OUTRAGEOUSLY GOOD TIME!!!!! And now, the "H" word. HOW MUCH? 1) Admission: $8.00 at the door, 2-day pass $5.00 at the door, 1-day pass Advance ticket sales: $5.00 + SASE for the whole show or $5.00 + $.50 postage & handling Children 8 and under FREE Contact: George Schneeweiss, Treasurer Glenside Color Computer Club RR#2 Box 67 Forrest, IL 61741-9629 For further information, general or exhibitor, contact: Tony Podraza, Fest Chairman Rob Gibons, Vice President, GCCCI 708-428-3576, VOICE 708-916-1118, VOICE 708-428-0436, BBS Eddie Kuns, President, GCCCI 708-820-3943, VOICE #: 20936 S1/General Interest 28-Apr-95 14:04:40 Sb: CoCo Fest update Pt#2 Fm: Rogelio Perea 72056,1204 To: ALL ******************************************************************** * * *************************************************************** * * * * * * * FEST UPDATE !!!! FEST UPDATE !!!! FEST UPDATE !!!!! * * * * * * * * MARTY GOODMAN WILL BE AT THE FEST GIVING SEMINARS * * * * * * * * ALSO THERE WILL BE: * * * * Brother Jeremy Mike Cary * * * * No Minimum Bid Auction on both days * * * * Boise CDI KD Consulting * * * * OS9 Users Group Meeting Nitros OS9 * * * * Open OS9 forum Glenside Meeting * * * * And Much Much More..... * * * * * * * * ALSO IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO GET A ROOM FOR THE FEST, * * * * ALL ROOMS AT THE HOLIDAY IN ARE TAKEN; * * * * HERE ARE THE OTHER HOTELS IN THE AREA: * * * * SUPER 8 ELGIN INN BEST WESTERN * * * * 708-697-8828 708-695-3000 708- - * * * * HAMPTON INN AND DOWN THE ROAD A HOWARD JOHNSON * * * * 708-931-1940 708-695-2100 * * * * * * * *************************************************************** * ******************************************************************** * #: 20940 S1/General Interest 02-May-95 03:22:35 Sb: MVME162 Fm: Roy D Miller 100354,3307 To: ALL Help I have a MVME162 board and I am having problems initialising and using the Z85230 serial controlers. Has any one any source code that would point me in the right direction. Thank if you can help Roy Miller #: 20942 S1/General Interest 05-May-95 10:11:11 Sb: CD-I RTF GENERATOR Fm: CHRISTOPH STUMMER 100067,1570 To: ALL Who knows a Software named RTF GENERATOR ???? What is this Software doing ???? Which firm distribute this Software ??? Thanks Stummer #: 20972 S1/General Interest 30-May-95 10:43:39 Sb: X.25 & LAP-B Fm: Paul S. Dayan 100040,400 To: All, Does anyone know of X.25 and/or LAP-B support software for OS-9 V3.0 ? #: 20979 S1/General Interest 02-Jun-95 17:21:59 Sb: #20972-X.25 & LAP-B Fm: M. Raabe 100327,1526 To: Paul S. Dayan 100040,400 (X) Hi Paul, I'm working for ELTEC. We have a 68302-based daughter board for our 68030/40/60 CPU-boards and our VMEbus-carrier, which is connected to OS-9 via descriptor/driver. Interrested? Ciao Martin Raabe mraabe@eltec.de #: 20981 S1/General Interest 06-Jun-95 14:13:39 Sb: #Consulting in NYC Area Fm: Michael A. Cohen 73304,3026 To: All, ***URGENT/IMMEDIATE NEED*** Spectrum Concepts Consulting Corp., an information technology consulting firm providing leading-edge consulting expertise to the NYC area since 1979, is looking for an OS-9 Specialist to work ON-SITE at one of our most prestigious clients in the NYC area. The contract is immediate and at least one year length. Skills Required: * OS-9 Expertise Skills Desired: * C Programming * CD-i * David * Interactive TV The project involves designing and developing the software component for an interactive TV hardware box based on OS-9. For More Details please contact: Michael Cohen, Technical Recruiter Spectrum Concepts Consulting Corp. 150 Broadway, Suite 600, New York, NY 10038 phone (212)791-4800 x248 fax resumes to (212)791-6639 ***Referral Fees Paid . . . Refer your friends/associates!!!** There is 1 Reply. #: 20995 S1/General Interest 14-Jun-95 11:35:29 Sb: #20981-Consulting in NYC Area Fm: Craig S. German 72752,2336 To: Michael A. Cohen 73304,3026 Michael, I am working in a new startup company, Interactive Engines, Inc. The company's goal is to provide a set-top box application development tool suite for interactive television applications (and eventually other types of applications). Our development team has considerable experience in providing set-top application authoring and delivery tools, and we were instrumental in developing the Stargazer application software for Bell Atlantic that is now deployed in Italy and in the U.S. Specifically, we have extensive experience in developing in C on the OS-9 DAVID and CD-I platforms. Perhaps you could provide more details on your needs/interests. Our business number is: (703) 860-0334. Our address: Interactive Engines, Inc. 1803 Pepperridge Ln. Reston, VA 22091 We look forward to hearing from you! Sincerely, Craig German #: 20984 S1/General Interest 08-Jun-95 15:27:05 Sb: #Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Christian Daschill 100112,277 To: all I just want to blow off some hot air after a frustrating day with Fastrak(PC) and Ultra C V1.2: Fastrak-PC is a bad joke to say the least (I wonder if anyone at MW ever took a look at Borland's IDE, that's how compiling and debugging dhould be done), and Ultra C 1.2 is even slower than 1.1 when compiling and linking (~ 200%), it builds 25% bigger and 15% to 20% slower code than 1.1. I'm sorry I wasted my company's money by buying Fastrak, I'll try the GNU C++ compiler now. C.Daschill There are 2 Replies. #: 20988 S1/General Interest 12-Jun-95 17:17:19 Sb: #20984-#Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 To: Christian Daschill 100112,277 (X) Christian, I haven't tried FasTrak myself yet, but from what I've heard from others and now from you, it is'nt worth giving it a try. Microware are definetely not doing a good job. They're at least 10 years behind. They still use KERMIT as their serial protocol, it's incredible. None of they're products works 100%, you always run into weird problems. Sometimes I feel I should give up on OS9, and try one of the other products on the market. I'm just afraid, that I'm gonna run into similar problems! Let me know about how the GNU compiler performs, maybe it is worth trying... Jost There are 3 Replies. #: 20990 S1/General Interest 13-Jun-95 03:11:18 Sb: #20988-Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Joachim Terasa 100421,2472 To: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 (X) Jost, >> Microware are definetely not doing a good job. They're at least 10 years behind. << Don't say such bad words:) Be happy that microware succeded to release an ANSI-C-Compiler at least! Two years ago when Ultra-C still wasn't usable I got a young guy on my side to produce some C-code. He would not believe that this language he had to use was also called (K&R-)C. So, is 10 years enough? Jochen -Joachim Terasa #: 20994 S1/General Interest 14-Jun-95 01:40:30 Sb: #20988-#Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Christian Daschill 100112,277 To: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 (X) Jost, I just hope somebody at Microware monitors that forum and realizes that the customers are not happy with their products. Chris There is 1 Reply. #: 21006 S1/General Interest 19-Jun-95 08:32:01 Sb: #20994-Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Boisy G. Pitre 74464,3005 To: Christian Daschill 100112,277 (X) > Jost, > I just hope somebody at Microware monitors that forum and realizes that > the customers are not happy with their products. > > Chris > Hi Chris, As an employee of Microware, it certainly concerns me when a customer is not satisfied. I can only recommend that you address your concerns to our marketing department. You can report any bugs or requests for enhancement to our hotline: hotline@microware.com. Regards -- Boisy G. Pitre__ __ __ Delphi: BOISY |_ _| \ \/ / CompuServe: 74464,3005 I use... _| |_ > < Internet: boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us |_____|NFO/_/\_\PRESS 1.2.0 OS-9 -- King of Operating Systems #: 21011 S1/General Interest 21-Jun-95 12:41:52 Sb: #20988-Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 (X) I keep telling MW reps that they should just give away FastTrak... but they could charge for support on it. That would allow more companies to try out OS-9 and encourage its use. If they ended up using OS-9 because of this, the license/support fees would be far more beneficial over the long run to MW than charging for FastTrak itself. kev #: 21023 S1/General Interest 26-Jun-95 09:09:42 Sb: #20984-#Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Peter Eisele 100041,2304 To: Christian Daschill 100112,277 (X) >I just want to blow off some hot air after a frustrating day with Fastrak(PC) >and Ultra C V1.2: Dear Mr. Daschill, If you run into problems with any of Microware products, you are very welcome to use our free hotline service. Do you use FasTrak with OS/2 ? This would be very interesting. Peter Eisele Dr. Rudolf Keil GmbH Customer Support There is 1 Reply. #: 21028 S1/General Interest 26-Jun-95 17:01:36 Sb: #21023-#Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Peter Eisele 100041,2304 (X) Glad that Dr. Keil responded....I was going to do so myself, but didn't want to be cast as a mindless-microware-supporter (or mindless anything for that matter). The truth of the matter is that ultra-c did have some serious bugs in the initial versions. However, I have compiled some complex programs with 1.2 and it appears to generate very good code. Certainly, things can get complex with ultra-c, especially when converting programs from K&R-type code. Before we flame MW too much, remember that their products are running on very distinct platforms and it is not possible to test the code on each variant....it is certainly much easier on a PC (mind you, Microsoft uses thousands of beta testers...and they have to pay for the privilege). So, cool down a bit before posting here with "this is shit" messages. It doesn't do you, Microware, or the OS9 community any good. There is 1 Reply. #: 21030 S1/General Interest 27-Jun-95 22:00:56 Sb: #21028-#Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) >>So, cool down a bit before posting here with "this is shit" messages. It doesn't do you, Microware, or the OS9 community any good.<< Bob, I can't speak for others, but it did me good, to see that I'm not the only one who is frustrated with MW. If they would do, what they claim to do, LISTEN TO THEIR CUSTOMERS, their products would be much better. They don't even bother to do something in this forum, they leave it totally up to the users. They don't even advertise new releases, or new products. It appears to me, they don't care about their customers. Jost There is 1 Reply. #: 21034 S1/General Interest 28-Jun-95 19:19:35 Sb: #21030-Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 (X) Rereading what I posted I think I did a flame. Sorry...not the idea...I must have been having a bad day. >They don't even bother to do something in this forum, they leave it totally >up to the users. They don't even advertise new releases, or new products. It >appears to me, they don't care about their customers. Good point. At one point they did have their own forum...but they really never did anything with it. I have a feeling that they may have figured that this was just a place for people with coco's etc. to hang out and wanted to devote their time to folks with "real" computers...or maybe they are just spread out to thin. No idea really...and I agree with you that they should have a official presence. On the other hand, if they are supporting with their hotline address, at least they are doing something. Anyway, I do know the good feeling one gets when one gets things off ones chest. #: 20997 S1/General Interest 14-Jun-95 17:55:12 Sb: Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 To: Christian Daschill 100112,277 (X) Christian, <> I think they know that people are very unhappy, but I don't think they care a lot... Jost #: 21003 S1/General Interest 17-Jun-95 00:52:35 Sb: Scaleing Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob, Have you had a chance to use that mm2hp30 screen print driver yet ? I think I finally figured out what causes the problem that I had with the program sometimes printing the full screen and then again sometimes only printing half of the screen, even though _gs_scsz and _gs_winfo both report the same values. I think the problem is in the SCALE function. Well, not the function itself but whether the screen that is being printed has the SCALE function turned on or turned off. So, I was wondering if you have any ideas on how I can get the program to detect whether scaleing is on or off. larry #: 21007 S1/General Interest 20-Jun-95 17:21:33 Sb: #Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Niels Peter Bogholm 100566,2262 To: Christian Daschill 100112,277 (X) Hi Christian (and Jost as well!) You are certainly very pessimistic about OS9 and UltraC... Well as we all know MW isn't as large as fx Borland or other PC-companies and therefore somehow don't have the same potential as in the PCworld. This is of cause _NO_ excuse for selling "bad" software! We are using FasTrak 1.1 (Solaris 2.3) and compared to other tools (Sun sparcworks or also Borland/Turbo C/C++) it is quite good! Of cause the first versions (1.0,1.1,..) all have minor (and a couple of major) bugs but is it not the same for all software written (incl our own) ?! Overall I find the FasTrak (Solaris 2.3 version!) a great tool! I have no experiences with UCC v1.2 yet (I get it nxt week perhaps then I understand your complaints..?!) but although the v1.1 doesn't produce _high_ speed code the UCC could be much worse! My suggestion: Report all bugs/whishes or compliments direct to microware on hotline@microware.com (forget "Dr Keil" if you're located in germany cause they are _SLOW_ and really don't care). I report direct and always get a reply within 3 days and they are mostly really helpfull (if you are writing a _contructive_ letter !!!) About OS9: The OS is - compared to other realtime OS - not that bad! Some packs are better and other worse, but again MW only changes if the users report some _contructive_ feedback. don't worry, be happy ;-) Niels. There are 3 Replies. #: 21009 S1/General Interest 21-Jun-95 02:59:21 Sb: #21007-#Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Joachim Terasa 100421,2472 To: Niels Peter Bogholm 100566,2262 (X) Hi Niels >> (forget "Dr Keil" if you're located in germany cause they are _SLOW_ and really don't care). << True words! Any software-developer is a competitor for him, so why should he care? >> I report direct and always get a reply within 3 days and they are mostly really helpfull (if you are writing a _contructive_ letter !!!) << Thats also my experience. But remembering OS-9 V 2.1 - how many weeks did I invest to get my software running just dealing with OS-bugs. Events - a very basic OS-service didn't work from C. Remembering when we bought the first release of Ultra-C with three months update-service. A little test program - just a bit more than 'hello world' - I couldn't get to run. This one was fixed in two updates within the three months but there were many bugs left. It must be allowed to ask, if it's ok to sell a product for several hundreds of dollars that really doesn't seem to be tested very well. >> The OS is - compared to other realtime OS - not that bad! << That's the reason why it's still used very often. But really, there are others being of higher quality - compared to OS-9. Jochen -Joachim Terasa There are 3 Replies. #: 21014 S1/General Interest 22-Jun-95 03:17:59 Sb: #21009-Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Christian Daschill 100112,277 To: Joachim Terasa 100421,2472 (X) Joachim, > It must be allowed to ask, if it's ok to sell a product for several hundreds of dollars >that really doesn't seem to be tested very well. I can only agree. We bought Ultra C as soon as it was available and spent a fortune on support contracts and the recent upgrade to Fastrak, but we are still using the V3.2 compiler for our development because of Ultra C's bugs and performance. I don't even want to think about the money the wasted ours cost us. Chris #: 21015 S1/General Interest 22-Jun-95 03:20:44 Sb: #21009-Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Christian Daschill 100112,277 To: Joachim Terasa 100421,2472 (X) Joachim, > It must be allowed to ask, if it's ok to sell a product for several hundreds of dollars >that really doesn't seem to be tested very well. I can only agree. We bought Ultra C as soon as it was available and spent a fortune on support contracts and the recent upgrade to Fastrak, but we are still using the V3.2 compiler for our development because of Ultra C's bugs and performance. I don't even want to think about the money the wasted hours cost us. Chris #: 21025 S1/General Interest 26-Jun-95 09:09:53 Sb: #21009-Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Peter Eisele 100041,2304 To: Joachim Terasa 100421,2472 (X) > >> (forget "Dr Keil" if you're located in germany cause they are _SLOW_ and >really don't care). << > > True words! Any software-developer is a competitor for him, so why should he >care? Dear Mr. Terasa, please don't generate such rumours. If you have a reason to do that, please tell us about it first! Sincerely, Dr. R. Keil Dr. Rudolf Keil GmbH #: 21013 S1/General Interest 22-Jun-95 03:11:37 Sb: #21007-Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Christian Daschill 100112,277 To: Niels Peter Bogholm 100566,2262 (X) Niels, I think you are right about the Unix version of Fastrak. I also heard that it was quite a nice package. In the PC domain, on the other hand, it looks like MW did just an alibi port without caring about performance and useability. A MW employee suggestet to take my questions and complaints to the MW Hotline, so I'll try that. In the meantime, if I could just get that 120MHz Pentium to have bearable link times... :<) Chris #: 21024 S1/General Interest 26-Jun-95 09:09:48 Sb: #21007-#Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Peter Eisele 100041,2304 To: Niels Peter Bogholm 100566,2262 (X) >My suggestion: Report all bugs/whishes or compliments direct to microware on >hotline@microware.com (forget "Dr Keil" if you're located in germany cause >they are _SLOW_ and really don't care). I report direct and always get a reply >within 3 days and they are mostly really helpfull (if you are writing a >_contructive_ letter !!!) Dear Mr. Bogholm, as you know, our company puts a lot of efforts into hotline matters. If you don't feel happy, please let us know first. It is, however, not helpful for anybody to generate untrue rumours into the public. Sincerely, Dr. R. Keil Dr. Rudolf Keil GmbH There is 1 Reply. #: 21027 S1/General Interest 26-Jun-95 15:01:15 Sb: #21024-Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Niels Peter Bogholm 100566,2262 To: Peter Eisele 100041,2304 (X) Dear Mr Eisele, What a interessting experience: Suddently when someone speaks a negative word about Dr. Kiel you get _very_ active ! If you would be that active in hotline matters I would be very impressed ! Well I won't lose this forums space (and my time) about your hotline and it's qualities, but it's obvious that I'm _not_ the only costumer who's complaining - so untrue rumors ....??? And it's a _fact_ that the Microware hotline is fast responding and helpfull. Or try the SUN hotline: Once you ask a question, they (and not the costumer!) call you back until they are sure about, that the problem is solved!! (Well that's the difference between the german and american way..!) Please fell free to contact me at my office and I can provide you with more information about unanswered questions that I wrote your "hot"line months ago! Niels Boegholm. (089) 909994-52 (office) #: 21010 S1/General Interest 21-Jun-95 12:29:22 Sb: FasTrak for Windows Fm: Rick Hunt, MATRIX 76077,3237 To: All Does anyone have experience setting up and using FasTrak for Windows? We're having a variety of problems and would appreciate any help available. If you prefer you can reach me via email at INTERNET:rlh@matrix.com Thanks, Rick #: 21012 S1/General Interest 21-Jun-95 22:29:02 Sb: www Fm: tom farrow 72701,543 To: all Does anyone know if MW got on to the WWW yet if so how do you contact them? #: 21019 S1/General Interest 25-Jun-95 03:21:58 Sb: OS9 Sourcebook Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051 To: all I have been asked to forward this message to users here. It is an information form for an OS9 Sourcebook that is upcoming. Sort of a directory of users etc. If you will take the time to fill it out and return it, I'm sure it will be appreciated, and perhaps quite beneficial to all of us. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have not already sent in your User form to the sourcebook please send in the one below to either: 'Thetaurus@Delphi.Com' or snail mail at... The OS-9 Users' Group Inc. 6158 West 63rd Street Suite 109 Chicago, Il. 60638 U.S.A At the end of this post will be the user entry form for the OS-9 Users' Group sourcebook. Initial response was great, but returns have dropped off since. Please make it a point to fill it out and return it to me(Thetaurus) so I can add your name to the database. It takes not more than a couple minutes and couldn't be any easier. You just need to fill it out and return it(email even :-) ), so please return this form with your name so we can keep the response coming! Btw, in the upcoming MOTD we will have the BBS entry form for sysops or users for that matter, to send in for their bulletin board systems. I'll post the form here soon after. The Industrial user form might also be in the next issue as well. If not the next one, then the one after, tho it really doesn't affect many of us here who are really personal users. If you know any industrial users, please do make sure they see it when it comes out. ________Form Coming...________ OS-9 Sourcebook Information Form -------------------------------- Name: --------------------------------------------------------------- Business: ----------------------------------------------------------- Address: ------------------------------------------------------------ City: State: ZIP: ---------------- --------------- -------------------- Country: Telephone:( ) - ---------------- --------------------------------- EMail Address: ----------------------------------------------------- Signature: Date: 07 /06 /1995 ------------------------------------ DD MM YY Would you like information on joining the OS-9 Users Group? o Already a Member! o Yes o No Can this information be passed to OS-9 vendors? o Yes o No Are you available to act as a volunteer for OS-9 o Yes o No projects from time to time? This isn't a commitment. Please indicate your area(s) of interest: o OS-9/6809 o OS-9/68000 o OS-9000 o Programming o Hardware Other ________________________ You use OS-9 primarily for what purpose: o personal use o industrial system o both Please describe briefly your OS-9 computer system(s): Please describe briefly your computer and OS-9 experience: Please describe your OS-9 interests (things you would like to see the UG do, or see in the MOTD), or list any other questions or comments: #: 21038 S1/General Interest 29-Jun-95 15:56:39 Sb: #Upgrade OS-9 2.4 => 3.0? Fm: Georg Lohrer 100415,2175 To: ALL Does anybody have experiences about the difficulties and hidden traps when upgrading from OS-9 Version 2.4 to OS-9 Version 3.0 ? We want to upgrade - to up-to-date - but we are afraid of bugs and much work to change our machine-controlling-software. So, please send me a short information about your experiences or a place where I can get more infos about this stuff. Thanks, Georg Lohrer, 29-Jun-95 21:52:47 CET Storming through CIS with OzWin 1.10 There is 1 Reply. #: 21039 S1/General Interest 29-Jun-95 18:17:53 Sb: #21038-Upgrade OS-9 2.4 => 3.0? Fm: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 To: Georg Lohrer 100415,2175 >>Does anybody have experiences about the difficulties and hidden traps when upgrading from OS-9 Version 2.4 to OS-9 Version 3.0 ? We want to upgrade - to up-to-date - but we are afraid of bugs and much work to change our machine-controlling-software.<< Hi Georg, I have a lot of experience with upgrading from 2.4 to 3.0. It's not that big a problem. Only some device drivers won't work, because MW changed the specifiaction for device drivers. Actually, none of the device drivers we were using (for a graphics and a serial board) would work with 3.0. Also your boot method might not work. I was using the OS-9 MVME162 BSP, which comes with a boot prom from MW. The boot prom for 2.4 could not boot 3.0, you have to use the new prom. These should be all the problems that arise with upgrading, from my experience. If you don't use other device drivers than the ones that come with OS-9, and if you use a boot prom from an OS-9 vendor, you shouldn't have a problem at all. OS-9 3.0 is much more predictable in it's real time response than 2.4. So it's worth making the step, IMO. Also, MW's new developments are for 3.0 of course, another reason to do the upgrade, as you said, to stay up-to-date. If you need help with the upgrade, let me know. Right know I am in the US, but I'll move back to Germany next week (I take it from your name that's where you are). I will try to start my own business there. So I'm available to help you out!!! Jost #: 21070 S1/General Interest 20-Jul-95 18:14:10 Sb: #20582-CDI Fm: - Visitor 100612,1737 To: David Warthen 71062,2162 You need a developer-platform called PHILIPS CDI605. With the high-level authoring-tool MEDIA-MOGUL from Optimage you can mix all contents of a CD-i multimedia-production. You have also the possibility to integrate a mpeg-cart- ridge and include video in your applications. You have to: 1. Develop all av-contents (on a macintosh-computer) 2. Convert the whole stuff (with conversion-utilities for macintosh-platforms) 3. Transfer the shitt on a OS/9 Harddisk (or PC-harddisk) 4. Develop scripts and menus (who control the flow) with Media-Mogul 5. Test and analyse the entire application 6. Build a CD-i image (3 Phases) 7. Emulate and test 8. Burn a CD-i I have produced a cd-i language-course at philips, 2 years ago. If you have some questions, just ask me. bye. #: 21045 S1/General Interest 08-Jul-95 17:08:21 Sb: CoCo 3 emulator upgrade Fm: John Murphy 73077,2305 To: ALL XPOST from JeffV . Registered users: CoCo 3 emulator upgrade now available . This is a general announcement for registered users of the CoCo 3 emulator... a new version 1.42 is now available containing a few bug fixes. Here's the summary: . * disks beyond 57 tracks now possible without uncontrollable .DSK size growth * double-sided OS/9 disk format now supported in the manner previously claimed in the documentation (the bug that prevented it from working is fixed) * compatibility problems with Tseng Labs SVGA chipset hopefully eliminated . *If* you can handle uuencoded .ZIPs through your email account, please email me with your registration number and I will forward the updated package. . Please feel free to spread this post to the GEnie, Delphi, and other relevant discussion groups. . For the information of users who cannot receive the updates by email, I am composing a notice to go in the mail, which should go out sometime after Rick's picnic. With the exception of the OS/9 double-sided disk problem, the other two bug fixes can be applied using a simple patch procedure which will be documented in the notice. For non-emailable users who wish to receive the full upgrade, I'd like to ask for a small $2 S&H fee to cover postage and a blank disk. . - Jeff jeffv@PHYSICS.UBC.CA . #: 21048 S1/General Interest 11-Jul-95 05:42:15 Sb: #Uncompress *.AR on IBM Fm: David J. Campbell 72707,1346 To: All I have a lot of old files compressed with the extension .AR that have been transfered to my MSDOS machine. Is there an uncompress program for this format on an IBM compatable? Thanks. There are 2 Replies. #: 21049 S1/General Interest 11-Jul-95 08:12:01 Sb: #21048-#Uncompress *.AR on IBM Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: David J. Campbell 72707,1346 (X) David - Not that I'm aware. AR was an LZ compressor written by Carl Kreider specifically for the OS9 community. I know that it has been ported to Unix, but don't know that it was ever ported to DOS/Windows. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 21052 S1/General Interest 12-Jul-95 11:12:07 Sb: #21049-Uncompress *.AR on IBM Fm: David J. Campbell 72707,1346 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, Thanks. Not the reply I wanted to hear, though. Dave #: 21060 S1/General Interest 17-Jul-95 08:38:41 Sb: #21048-#Uncompress *.AR on IBM Fm: Ian J Shearer 100410,2733 To: David J. Campbell 72707,1346 (X) David, I have source code for the utility, if you want to do the porting yourself. I've never looked at it in detail, but there are plenty of OS-9 specific calls (such as getstat()) that mean it probably won't be trivial. How desperate are you? Ian There is 1 Reply. #: 21061 S1/General Interest 17-Jul-95 17:52:50 Sb: #21060-Uncompress *.AR on IBM Fm: David J. Campbell 72707,1346 To: Ian J Shearer 100410,2733 (X) Ian, Not that desperate, I'm afraid. That would be a monumental task. Having this on a DOS machine would be handy, though. I might be able to cob a Coco3 together from parts and pieces here, but that would be a huge hassle too. I thank you for your generous offer, but I'm not up for that much work:-) BTW- you (or anyone else) wouldn't happen to know if OS9 ever got ported to the Tandy 6000 by any chance? I do have one of those up and running. Thanks again. Dave #: 21050 S1/General Interest 11-Jul-95 11:38:19 Sb: #X25 driver for MVME162 Fm: Pajaud 100565,1252 To: all I would like to use OS9 on MVME162 Motorola CPU Board. I am looking for a driver software to run X25 protocol on it (with 85230 devices) or to run on IP module. May be somebody can share his experience to help me to find the best architecture to design Thanks There is 1 Reply. #: 21051 S1/General Interest 11-Jul-95 15:02:26 Sb: #21050-X25 driver for MVME162 Fm: Mark Wuest 76702,2253 To: Pajaud 100565,1252 (X) I had a good experience with GCOM in Urbana, IL several years ago. We ported their X.25 stuff to run on MVME333 (if I remember correctly) boards. I don't have their number handy - I did this when I worked for AT&T (I'm now with another company). Good luck! Mark #: 21053 S1/General Interest 13-Jul-95 14:07:02 Sb: MM/1 for sale Fm: Boisy G. Pitre 74464,3005 To: all I am putting my MM/1a computer system up for sale. Hardware - MM/1a computer mounted in a mini-tower case with: o 68340 CPU @ 13.8 MHz o 11MB RAM (10MB User, 1MB Video) o 245MB Quantum SCSI Hard Drive (11ms) o Chinon 2x CD-ROM (internal) o 3.5" 1.44MB Floppy o 5.25" 360K Floppy o Real-time clock o Connections for 2 parallel, 5 serial, stereo in/out, video, joystick and keyboard - CM-8 Analog RGB Monitor - XT keyboard - USR 14.4K FAX/MODEM - All necessary cables Software - OS-9 2.4 - Microware K&R C Compiler - Microware BASIC - ROMBug installed in ROM - K-Windows #54 - Ved text editor 2.4.0 - DeskTop graphical user interface - Paint - Write-Right - OSTerm communications program - UUCPbb/Palm - Gold Runner 2000 - Colorsystems Game Pack - CDF file manager/VCDP for CD-ROM drive - Source code galore (LinkUp/CGFX/Windio plus LOTS more) - Loads of programs and utilities - Tons of sound files and GIFs - Lots of other good stuff Documentation/Reference - OS-9 2.4 Manuals - MM/1 starters guide - MM/1 technical reference - Lots of misc. manuals and docs This system is in great shape and makes a solid development system with lots of RAM and ROMBug. I've used it for over two years with no problems. Asking $1400. Buyer pays shipping. I am interested in selling the system in its entirety. Serious inquiries only to boisy@microware.com. #: 21054 S1/General Interest 14-Jul-95 09:35:05 Sb: Industrial Application Fm: Alan J. Reigart 74214,2047 To: [F] All Searching for system integrator with experience in industrial controls. Specifically with Allen-Bradley PLC5 and OS9 based control coprocessor. Have client with system conversion! #: 21071 S1/General Interest 21-Jul-95 04:50:24 Sb: #OS9 and Compuserve Fm: W. Stein 100525,677 To: [F] All Hi Sysop, I would like to use Compuserve also with my simple OS9 Computer (no windows or games like that). Can you tell me the the name of a simple terminal emulation which works together with the compuserve software? Thank you Stefan .............................................................. S U R F A C E STEFAN ERASSME TEL.: +49 02433 970305 RHEINSTR. 7, FAX.: +49 02433 970302 41836 HUECKELHOVEN INTERNET: GERMANY 100525.677@COMPUSERVE.COM .............................................................. There are 2 Replies. #: 21072 S1/General Interest 21-Jul-95 13:13:19 Sb: #21071-OS9 and Compuserve Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: W. Stein 100525,677 Stefan - The generic terminal pogram that several have used is called 'sterm' or 'sterm2'. This includes a B protocol file transfer capability, which is ideal for use with Compuserve. It's available here in the libraries. From LIB 1 try: BRO/KEY:STERM LIB:ALL Pete #: 21073 S1/General Interest 22-Jul-95 05:30:41 Sb: #21071-OS9 and Compuserve Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: W. Stein 100525,677 There should be both OS9 (6809) and OSK (680X0) versions of Sterm available in the libraries here. Sterm's been around for a number of years and supports CompuServe's B protocol. Let us know if you need any help locating the file. *- Steve -* #: 21080 S1/General Interest 30-Jul-95 17:54:47 Sb: #21030-#Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417 To: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 (X) Hello Jost I have been working with MW and OS-9/OSK since 1983. I haven't had that much problem with their products. It sometimes needs some better documentation, but it turns out to work very well in 99 % of the time. Fastrak for Windows suffers from running under DOS/Windows. We use windows heavyly in my company too(WFW 3.11 and NT server 3.51) and it is not the most stable OS in the world. Most of the problems I found in Fastrak for Windows, had to do with the TCP/IP- stack being used and the programs loaded beside Fastrak. regards ole@danelec.dk There is 1 Reply. #: 21081 S1/General Interest 31-Jul-95 06:36:34 Sb: #21080-#Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 To: ole hansen 100016,3417 (X) Hi Ole, if you like a product or not depends on what you compare it with, and what you are used to. Before I started using OS-9 two yrs ago, I used VAXELN from DEC for realtime applications on VAXes, a plain C-compiler for applications running without an OS on Digitalsignalprocessors, and Microsoft C for DOS and OS/2. I liked the last the most, they were the most convenient to use. The least hassle I had with the DSP, there was no OS to srew you. OS-9 and its development tools are so inconvenient to use, the documentation is just a mess, and the realtime performance is questionable. I have no experience with Fastrak though, that was Christian's topic. I haven't heard anything good about Fastrak though. Somebody told me you need two serial lines and one Ethernet connection to run Fastrak. I'm not sure if this is true, but if so, MW are definitely on the way to nowhere. I've used PCbridge a lot, it's a product full of little bugs, and if you tell MW about them, they simply don't care. I never understood why PCbridge needed so much memory. A Borland or Microsoft C-Compiler can compile an ANSI-C program with only 640k of memory, whereas PCbridge needs more than 4 MB to compile the same source code. Ridiculous. If you compile the same source on the self-hosted OS-9 C-Compiler, it only requires about 500 kB of free memory. Strange. Jost There is 1 Reply. #: 21084 S1/General Interest 01-Aug-95 16:48:38 Sb: #21081-#Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417 To: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 (X) Hello Jost I missed who complained about Fastrak. Sorry. Yes it depends what you are used to. I like to develop for OS-9 using the selfhosted tools, as they give you fast load/unload times. Fastrak for windows only need the Ethernet-link to do download/debug. You only need serail-lines, if you don't have a terminal hooked to the console- port of the target, and you want to do rombug-debugging for IRQ-routines or programs/drivers that stop time-slicing. What type of hardware do you run OS-9 on ?? And whom have you tried to get help from at Microware ?? I normally get a fast response, when I submit a problem. regards ole@danelec.dk There is 1 Reply. #: 21088 S1/General Interest 03-Aug-95 10:54:10 Sb: #21084-#Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 To: ole hansen 100016,3417 (X) Hi Ole, thanks on the clarification on Fastrak. I prefer the self-hosted tools too. Not only do you get fast compilation and loading time, they usually have the least bugs. Of course, you need a hard disk or a big non-volatile memory board to have them available on-site. I used OS-9 on the Motorola MVME162-board. Right now I don't use it at all, I moved back to Germany from the USA (where I had lived for 2 yrs) at the beginning of July. I'm looking for a new job right now. Maybe somebody who reads this knows of an OS-9 related job for me? In the US, I used to call the Microware Hotline. Bob Allen was pretty familiar with MVME162 BSP, and helped me a lot. I was a little disappointed with the BSP, because it didn't really support the onboard FLASH-EPROM of the MVME162, and I expected a Bord Support Packed to support these kind of things. If you use the FLASH-EPROM, you have a lot of non-volatile memory available, and don't need any external storage devices for your applications. It's not big enough for the self-hosted development tools though. The FLASH-EPROM also has the advantage, that you don't have to carry a hardware programming device with you. When MW came out with OS9 V3.0, they changed the ROM-boot procedures, which created some trouble for me. Eventually I could fix everything, and the utility I wrote for the FLASH-EPROM works with both versions now. I'd really like to get my hands back on an OS-9 system, I have some kind of love and hate relationship to it... Ciao, Jost There is 1 Reply. #: 21089 S1/General Interest 04-Aug-95 06:02:14 Sb: #21088-Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417 To: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 (X) Hello Jost I like the MVME162 very well too. I work in a company called danelec nerby Copenhagen. I have done so since 1981, and we distribute MOTOROLA VME as our main buisness. Because MOTOROLA is about 3-6 months ahead with boards com- pared to BSP's, I have done some minor ports to MVME147 and MVME162. I would like to ask, if the code for the FLASH-EPROM is avaiable. If you are interrested I have a driver for the DMA-chip in the VME2-chip. It allows for moving DATA between onboard-memory and VME-memory with up to 18-20 MB/Sec depending on the speed of the memory you talk to on the VME-bus. Recently I ported the MVME162-BSP to run on the MVME162FX(32MHZ and dma to the IP-bus). Yes it is great to do the development selfhosted. You don't have to learn to Operating-systems (target and host), you only concentrate on target. It is also very few REAL-TIME os's that can become a development-platform in the field, just by connecting a harddrive to it. regards ole@danelec.dk #: 21074 S1/General Interest 26-Jul-95 02:34:02 Sb: #21028-#Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Christian Daschill 100112,277 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) I just received and tested version 1.2.1 of Fastrak, and the compiler potion of it seems to have improved quite a bit. At least now I can get execution performance similar to code generated by the old compiler, and compile (if not link) times have shortened a bit. While this is a step in the right direction, I still think that that File manager appendix solution does not work right. The makefile editor chokes on compile options itself has put into the makefile (-y=). While I agree with you that a general flame is not very fair, I don't regret posting one, because at least it prompted some interesting replies. Microware should really take a more active role in this forum, or at least get their WWW page up and running. It would be so much easier to up/download bug reports and fixes than having to wait for a new release. There is 1 Reply. #: 21076 S1/General Interest 27-Jul-95 00:20:16 Sb: #21074-#Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Christian Daschill 100112,277 (X) >While I agree with you that a general flame is not very fair, I don't >regret posting one, because at least it prompted some interesting replies. >Microware should really take a more active role in this forum, or at least >get their WWW page up and running. It would be so much easier to up/download >bug reports and fixes than having to wait for a new release. I couldn't agree more! A long time ago MW did have its own forum here on CIS. However, they really didn't do anything to support it and eventually it just disappeared. However, I don't know why they can't support this one. I'm sure that the sysop would be more than pleased to have an "offical MW" library, etc. But, maybe they are too busy to look after customers . There is 1 Reply. #: 21078 S1/General Interest 29-Jul-95 17:30:06 Sb: #21076-Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob, Actually, it was never a forum ... but what's call a Display area. Just a few menus and associated files. I sure would like to have them around here as well. I had hoped I was making some progress when they agreed to let me electronically post the contents of "Pipelines". Who knows ... *- Steve -* #: 21075 S1/General Interest 26-Jul-95 02:37:12 Sb: #21023-Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Christian Daschill 100112,277 To: Peter Eisele 100041,2304 (X) Mr. Eisele, Yes, I do use Fastrak under OS/2. So far I've got only the compiler part up and running, because for the debugger via TCP/IP I have yet to get the ISP package for the OS9 end of it. If you want, I can keep you posted about my progress. As for the Dr.Keil hotline, I haven't found much useful stuff on it yet. #: 21082 S1/General Interest 01-Aug-95 09:01:24 Sb: #21073-#OS9 and Compuserve Fm: W. Stein 100525,677 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Hi Steve, hi Pete Sorry for my late answer. I downloaded Sterm 1.5.1 but I have some troubles in using the program. Everytime I start the program and login into Compuserve the first lines come in with no problems, but then the cursor went to the right side of the screen and nothing happens any more. I allways had to disconnect the modem to get out of Comuserve then I had to use Crtl e to get out of the program. Please give me a hint how to go on. Thank you, Stefan There are 2 Replies. #: 21083 S1/General Interest 01-Aug-95 10:23:48 Sb: #21082-OS9 and Compuserve Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: W. Stein 100525,677 (X) Stefan, When you're using Sterm, you need to make sure your Compuserve terminal type is correct for your machine. Normally, you should set your CIS terminal type to 'CRT' with whatever other options you want. Steve Wegert here should be able to help you more. Sterm sends all characters through to your screen without any type of screen control. If you're using a terminal to talk to your OS-9 machine, you should set it and your CIS terminal type to be tha same. To set your CIS terminal, GO TERMINAL. Mark #: 21086 S1/General Interest 02-Aug-95 17:30:56 Sb: #21082-OS9 and Compuserve Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: W. Stein 100525,677 (X) Mark Griffith, the author of Sterm, has given you a couple of good suggestions to start with. Let us know how you do with those. If you're still having problems, we'll give it another shot. *- Steve -* #: 21085 S1/General Interest 01-Aug-95 16:54:59 Sb: os9000/386+adaptec Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417 To: 100016,3417 (X) hello OS9000/386 users does anybody use OS9000/386 with ADAPTEC 1542C?? I have a PC with 16MBRAM 486DX4-100 and Adaptec 1542C, that denies to talk at all to the SCSI-devices from OS9000. It works O.K. from DOS. If yes to above, does anybody know how to configure the Adaptec 1542C ?? regards ole@danelec.dk #: 21087 S1/General Interest 03-Aug-95 03:19:12 Sb: fastrak for windows Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417 To: 100016,3417 (X) Hello to all Fastrak for Windows users How many on this board are using Fastrak for windows ?? and having problems with it ?? I suggest we start a debat about this product and sign up a problem- report and give it to Microware as a group. I have just tried to run it under Windows 95, but creating a makefile in the makefile-tool, eats up the harddrive when trying to save it !!!! and it is not simple to regain the lost space. As there is a lot of Hardware-platforms that can run Windows, I suggest we list the hardware used, as well as the TCPIP-stack and version of Windows/ Windows95/WindowsNT or OS/2 !!! regards ole@danelec.dk #: 21091 S1/General Interest 04-Aug-95 11:14:26 Sb: #FLASH EPROM MVME162 Fm: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 To: ole hansen 100016,3417 (X) Hi Ole, yes, the code for the FLASH programming utility is available. It has the following usage options: -m : copies memory to flash -f : copies binary file to flash -r : copies flash into binary file -p : copies the bootable ramdisk at address 80000H with a size of d0000H plus a copy of ROMBUG to flash, enabling booting from flash (V2.4 only) -q : copies the ramdisk at address 80000H with a size of c0000H to flash, contents of flash within address range 0 to 0x3ffff will remain unchanged (V3.0 only) -c : erases flash It's tested on MVME162 boards with FLASH chips from Intel and another manufacturer. I forgot the name, but I have the manufacturer and device codes, the program checks for them. For the Intel chips the codes are 0x89 and 0xbd, for the others its 0x1 and 0x2a. I'll send you the code for a program that reads the device code of your Flash Eprom via email, ok? Have fun, Jost There is 1 Reply. #: 21092 S1/General Interest 04-Aug-95 17:51:42 Sb: #21091-#FLASH EPROM MVME162 Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417 To: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 (X) Hello Jost I look forward to the 'testprogram'. How is the utility/driver available ?? regards ole@danelec.dk There is 1 Reply. #: 21093 S1/General Interest 05-Aug-95 07:42:32 Sb: #21092-FLASH EPROM MVME162 Fm: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 To: ole hansen 100016,3417 Hi Ole, >>How is the utility/driver available ??<< well, you can get the source code from me. If you only want to use it for your own fun, and promise me not ot give it to anybody else, I can give it to you for free. If you want to use it for your company, and maybe resell it with the boards you sell, you would have to reimburse for giving you the copyright. Does the testprogram work? Do you get good manufacturer/device codes? Ciao, Jost #: 21100 S1/General Interest 08-Aug-95 06:39:44 Sb: #20732-Device Drivers Fm: Hautereau Martial 100607,600 To: Octec,Gary W Coutts 100447,423 hello I use too PEP computer with os0 v2.4 I surch progs witch running on pep like unfragmentor disk and zmodem protokol could you help me ? bye #: 21101 S1/General Interest 08-Aug-95 07:11:13 Sb: #21088-Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Jochen Terasa 100421,2472 To: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 (X) Hi Jost, >> I'm looking for a new job right now. Maybe somebody who reads this knows of an OS-9 related job for me? << In welcher Gegend residierst du denn? Grus Jochen -Joachim Terasa #: 21094 S1/General Interest 06-Aug-95 17:38:16 Sb: #21093-#FLASH EPROM MVME162 Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417 To: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 (X) Hello Jost I just completed the first compile. The board (MVME162) I had at home, was MVME162FX, and it reports: Flash manufacturer code : 0h (0) Flash device code : 0h (0) This type of Flash Eprom is not supported yet The flash on the board is 1 chip: Intel 28F008SA-120 I would like to pay for the code, so I could use it for our customers, but only binary code to customers, no source. regards ole@danelec There is 1 Reply. #: 21095 S1/General Interest 07-Aug-95 08:50:21 Sb: #21094-#FLASH EPROM MVME162 Fm: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 To: ole hansen 100016,3417 (X) Hi Ole, the codes you get don't make me feel confident that the flash utility would work on your board. You should at least get the Intel manufacturer code, not just a 0. It's too bad that I don't have a system here. Maybe, the addresses on 162FX or different from the the MVME162 boards that I was using. I know, that the memory architecture of the new type of MVME162, the one with the SCSI and the Ethernet connector onboard, is indeed different. Anyway, as far as I remember, the boards that I was using had four Intel chips, each with 256 kB flash eprom. That means that the utility cannot work for you, I would have to add the routines for that type of Flash, because it works quite different. If I had a development system and a board with those chips, I could do it for you. So, I don't really know what I can do about this right now. I could sell you the C-code that I have as is, or I could try and add the routines for the 1 MB chips. As I don't have a board here, I couldn't test them though. One option is, that I come to Copenhagen and test the code there, but your company would have to pay for my travel expenses. Too bad, that I didn't add the routines for the 1 MB chip in the first place, but at that time I thought that I would do it when I got a board with the chips, because writing code without being able to test it is not what I consider good practise. Sorry for not having better news, Jost There is 1 Reply. #: 21097 S1/General Interest 07-Aug-95 17:19:09 Sb: #21095-FLASH EPROM MVME162 Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417 To: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 (X) Hello Jost I have some info, I feel I better email directly to you. regards ole #: 21099 S1/General Interest 08-Aug-95 01:14:10 Sb: #Processors Fm: Nathan S. Marler 102520,3043 To: SYSOP (X) What computers still use the 68000 series chips? There is 1 Reply. #: 21105 S1/General Interest 11-Aug-95 07:51:02 Sb: #21099-Processors Fm: Marc Tritschler 100344,2706 To: Nathan S. Marler 102520,3043 Nathan, Many single height VME processor cards use 68000 series processors, from 68000 to 68040. Also, the 68000 based 68302 processor is used in many single board computer systems and as the processor in intelligent serial comms cards. Marc. #: 21103 S1/General Interest 08-Aug-95 17:23:39 Sb: #midi copywrighting Fm: Richard w. safford 102455,440 To: all Is there a way to copywright music sequences direct online? There is 1 Reply. #: 21104 S1/General Interest 10-Aug-95 01:14:36 Sb: #21103-midi copywrighting Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: Richard w. safford 102455,440 (X) Music you create is copyrighted at the time you create it. To register the copyright, though, you have to submit the proper paperwork to the Library of Congress, and that can not be done online. Wayne #: 21107 S1/General Interest 11-Aug-95 12:38:57 Sb: Graphics Card Fm: Steve Hock 74167,3300 To: All If anyone is looking for a graphics card to run X-windows under OS-9, I have found one from PERITEK Corp. that works well. It is a "smart" graphics card - meaning that the keyboard, mouse and video drivers are downloaded on bootup and run on the graphics card. The only thing that runs on the CPU is a stub program to hand off information to your application. Hopefully, PERITEK will have an interrupt driven stub, currently their stub is a polling version. I have it working on a FORCE and Heurikon based systems, but I believe it is also ported for Motorola. I used to run Vigra products, but they have sinced dropped their support for OS-9. I highly recommend it. Steve #: 21108 S1/General Interest 11-Aug-95 22:56:29 Sb: MM/1 For Sale Fm: Ernest Withers Jr. 71545,1117 To: ALL For Sale: Complete MM/1 System, S/N 120848 with IMS manuals Includes: IMS Slimline case & power supply I/O board OS-9/68000 v2.4 with Microware manuals 3 megabytes RAM 4 serial ports (/t0, /t1, /t2, & /t3) 2 parallel ports (/p & /p1) 2 1.4MB floppy drives 105 MB Quantum hard drive 101 key XT/AT switchable keyboard Logitech 3 button Series 9 serial mouse Magnavox 8CM515 color monitor MM/1 Technical Manual Software: FHL's FBU & FRS backup/restore software (Includes original FHL's DynaStar & DynaForm for 68000 disk & manual) BGFX Fontasee font editor WriteRight word processor Speedisk disk defragmenter Ved, Vprint, & Vmail EthaGUI Desktop TasCOM ColorSystems Game Pack Lots of public domain software All serious offers will be considered, preferably for the complete system but I will consider breaking it up. I'll bring everything to the Atlanta 'Fest if anyone is seriously interested. If interested, leave E-Mail. Ernest Withers CIS: 71545,1117 Delphi: ERNIEWITHERS #: 21109 S1/General Interest 12-Aug-95 09:54:18 Sb: New Rates Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: ALL [from a CompuServe press release] COMPUSERVE IS CHANGING...RIGHT BEFORE YOUR EYES - PRICES SIMPLIFIED AND REDUCED - INTEGRATED INTERNET ACCESS - - NEW WOW! SERVICE ANNOUNCED - - NEW, LEADING-EDGE GRAPHIC INTERFACES - - EASY, FUN, AFFORDABLE - EFFECTIVE SEPT. 10 -- SIMPLE, LOW PRICES -- FORUMS, MAIL, INTEGRATED INTERNET INCLUDED * Membership fee: $9.95 per month. Monthly pricing includes five free hours to almost all of CompuServe; additional hours $2.95 each * Popular areas such as Internet mail, special-interest forums and e-mail included in new low pricing * For first month of membership, no membership fee and 10 free hours of online use * Another option: super value club membership fee $24.95 per month. Online pricing for club members includes 20 free hours; additional hours $1.95 each COLUMBUS, Ohio, Aug. 1, 1995 -- Making a bold move in the rapidly expanding online services arena, CompuServe Incorporated today announced a new pricing plan for the CompuServe Information Service and the Internet. CompuServe also announced a phased introduction of a new consumer online service for novice computer users. "Our members and market research have told us that CompuServe's content, quality, global nature and service levels are highly valued but that most people want a simpler pricing structure and some would like an easier-to- use interface," said Robert J. Massey, CompuServe president and CEO. "We're giving them what they want." The world's only global commercial online service announced that, effective Sept. 10, its connect-time fee will significantly decrease to $2.95 per hour from $4.80 per hour. The CompuServe membership fee remains at $9.95 per month. And now, members also will get five free hours of access to almost all of CompuServe. Subsequent hours will be billed at $2.95 per hour. For its more active members, CompuServe will offer a super value club. Members who choose to pay a $24.95 monthly membership fee will be billed at $1.95 per hour and will receive 20 hours of online time each month at no charge. New members do not pay the monthly membership fee during their first month of use. They also receive 10 free hours to explore the service that month. Free introductory memberships, including software for either Windows, Macintosh or OS/2, are available to new subscribers by calling 1-800-524-3388. Membership kits that include a free membership along with additional documentation and other valuable support materials are also available through major computer retailers and software stores. "We have more and higher quality services to offer than anyone else. We have a dependable, rapidly expanding global network, and now we have easy-to-understand, low pricing. We invite potential members to explore CompuServe free and we are confident that they will select us as their online service provider. For those who are currently members of competing services, we believe they will quickly decide CompuServe is the place for them to be," Massey said. MOST SPECIAL CHARGES ELIMINATED Under the new pricing, more than 90 percent of CompuServe's 3,000 online services and 1,000 forums will be available with no special surcharges. Some premium research databases will continue to carry an extra charge, as they do with all online services. "We don't want to limit the content available on the service to what we can include for $9.95 per month," Massey said. Premium services will be clearly marked and members will easily understand the fees charged for them. An example of such services is Magazine Database Plus, a database of more than 200 popular and niche publications offered by Information Access Company, which charges a small fee for each article downloaded. Another example is Disclosure, which charges fees for financial and disclosure reports for publicly traded companies. In response to member requests, there will be no extra charges for Internet mail. "If a member wants to spend five hours in a music forum, he can do that. If a member wants to spend five hours cruising the Internet, she can," Massey said. "We want to offer the greatest flexibility and the best value for our members." Comparison Chart Pricing Plan Changes Features Old Plan New Plan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Monthly Membership $9.95/month; $9.95/month; Fee and Online $4.80/hour for $2.95/hour after 5 Charges extended services free hours Free Hours Included Unlimited access to 5 hours of almost in Online Pricing 120 basic services anything online except premium services; basic services no longer differentiated Electronic Mail 90 3-page messages Mail pricing based were included; solely on connect- extra charge for time; no extra Internet mail charge for Internet mail Internet Access 3 free hours; $2.50 All access based on for each additional connect-time hour Super Value Club Did not exist $24.95/month membership fee; $1.95 per hour after 20 free hours (As a reminder, the new CompuServe pricing plan is effective September 10th). #: 21110 S1/General Interest 12-Aug-95 09:58:27 Sb: MAIL Enhancements Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: ALL FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Jeff Shafer CompuServe Incorporated 614/538-4571 or 614/538-4553 COMPUSERVE(r) MAIL DELIVERS THE BEST: ON-LINE LEADER INTRODUCES NEW FEATURES, ELIMINATES SURCHARGES COLUMBUS, Ohio, August 7, 1995 -- CompuServe Mail, the world's largest electronic mail system, is enhancing its service and eliminating virtually all mail surcharges to meet growing demand for high quality, reliable e-mail delivery. Based on advanced computer architecture, the new e-mail system will provide cutting-edge technology to a global market, offer users exciting new capabilities and contain the flexibility to handle the rapid growth of e-mail volume. "We are making changes in our product and service that will strengthen our position as the worldwide leader in electronic mail," Rob Mainor, Vice President, Product Marketing and Business Information Services. "Electronic mail is rapidly becoming one of the most popular means of communication for individuals and businesses. CompuServe is making aggressive moves as we prepare for a future in which e-mail is as common as a phone call." MAIL SURCHARGES ELIMINATED As part of an overall price restructuring of the CompuServe Information Service, CompuServe Mail is eliminating additional charges for nearly all of its services. "For years, cost has been an important issue with our customers. We are responding to their needs. I want to make it very clear that with this announcement, sending messages through CompuServe Mail becomes not only the fastest and most reliable method of communication, but also the most cost effective," added Mike Finney, CompuServe Mail Products Manager. As of September 10, 1995, there will be no surcharges on mail sent or received via CompuServe, over the Internet or through a variety of other gateways. Further, all charges relating to the size of the message and the number of recipients have been eliminated. Some services such as telex, fax and post office mail will continue to be charged separately. PERSONAL ADDRESSES CompuServe members will soon select easy-to-remember personal addresses, using names to supplement their numeric addresses. For example, John Doe could be reachable at 78531,222 or JOHNDOE. Personal addresses can be up to 32 letters or numbers (and can include the "_" underscore). Current CompuServe members will be invited to register for their personal addresses beginning this month, with the roll- out expected to be completed by November 1995. COMPUSERVE MAIL MANAGER The CompuServe Mail Manager(SM) offers sophisticated features to empower members to Stay In Charge(SM) of their electronic mail. One feature, Smart Rules(SM) is an easy-to-use, customizable message filtering system that allows members to define in advance how categories of messages are to be handled. For example, one might specify that all messages be forwarded to an alphanumeric pager, a fax machine, an Internet mailbox or any e-mail address to which CompuServe provides connectivity. Either the full message text or a summary can be forwarded. Smart Rules can be used to set up message filters to route or forward only messages sent from a specific ID, such as the member's supervisor or spouse. They can be defined so that all messages marked "High Importance" are forwarded. Likewise, all messages from a specific sender could automatically be deleted. Up to 10 rules can be established, then selectively turned "on" or "off" by the member as desired. AUTOMATIC REPLY The CompuServe Mail Manager also will include the capability to reply automatically to messages. This is especially useful if a member is on vacation or otherwise out of touch with e-mail. E-mail messages received during that time could automatically receive a reply alerting them to that person's unavailability. MULTIPURPOSE INTERNET MAIL EXTENSIONS SUPPORT Future enhancements to CompuServe Mail include Multi- purpose Internet Mail Extensions (MIME) support, which will allow members to send and receive binary files over the Internet. This capability, coupled with a new message size limit of 10 megabytes (previously messages could be a maximum of 2 megabytes), will eliminate almost all limits on what can be transmitted via CompuServe Mail over the Internet. WIRELESS CONNECTIVITY CompuServe has formed cooperative relationships with the four largest mobile pager organizations, MobileComm, PageNet, PageMart and SkyTel, allowing members to receive e-mail messages on their alphanumeric pagers. This wireless communication gateway, coupled with Smart Rules, enables pager users to Stay In Charge of the information that is vital to them -- anytime, anywhere. CompuServe Mail is the world's largest and oldest public electronic mail system, with more than 150 million messages exchanged during 1994 through more than 20 mail gateways, including Internet, MCI, AT&T Mail, cc:Mail, Notes, MHS, Fax, telex and postal. Message traffic is more than tripling annually. CompuServe, the first service to provide an e-mail connection to the Internet, is also its largest single message carrier to the Internet, exchanging up to eight million messages per month via the Internet. The CompuServe Information Service continues to be the world's most successful and most popular online service, with 3.3 million members accessing its 3,000 services from 150 countries. The undisputed industry leader in innovation, the service offers global email, the industry's first CD-ROM supplement, libraries of free software, 28.8 kbps access and worldwide Internet services. CompuServe is recognized globally for its international membership and diverse content. For a free introductory CompuServe membership, call 800-524-3388 and ask for representative number 664, or send an email message to USAINFO@CompuServe.com. Or access CompuServe's home page on the World Wide Web (http://www.compuserve.com). In addition to the CompuServe Information Service, CompuServe offers networking, electronic mail and business information services to major corporations worldwide. CompuServe is an H&R Block (NYSE: HRB) company. # # # #: 21111 S1/General Interest 12-Aug-95 14:40:12 Sb: #Win 95 Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051 To: all Hey, all Has anyone seen the Win-95 Demo CD? I saw part of it recently.. Hey, did you know that, according to the demo, you can actually take Win-95 and start printing something and then, go back and do something else while you are STILL PRINTING THE DOCUMENT? YES! Isn't that amazing? In the demo, they say, "It isn't magic.. It's Win 95" What will they think of next? Have any of you heard of anything so amazing as being able to do TWO WHOLE TASKS on your computer AT THE SAME TIME??? Hard to believe, isn't it? I also saw a review of Win 95 in the Aug US News & World Report. About multitasking, they say, ".. You can have two or three programs, or more, open at once. " It will still occasionally crash - ... - but most users will find multitasking works most of the time." ^^^^ Heh heh.. I guess as long as it works -part- of the time, it's better than not at all.. Just think about it, a concept that's been pretty well perfected what - 15 years? and they still haven't got it right. Maybe someday... -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** There is 1 Reply. #: 21120 S1/General Interest 14-Aug-95 19:11:41 Sb: #21111-#Win 95 Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: David Breeding 72330,2051 (X) Yes, its TRUE. Microsoft has finally invented Multitasking. Even "Rush" got into the subject, commenting that Windows 95 will do for the MSDOS users what he has been able to do on his beloved MAC for years. Welcome to the club, Rush. *** Uh-oh, I used the "R" word --- flame alert!*** The world of marketing is a wonderous thing. I have a relatively up-to-date messydos machine next to this MM/1. It's a toy for playing with CD Multimedia programs and experimenting with various opsystems. Right now, it runs MSDOS/Win3.1, OS2, OS-9000, and Linux (Coherent got pushed off the disk by OS-9000). I would say that "DOS/Windows" is about fifth best of those op-systems, but it is the BEST SELLING system there is. Go figure. X-Windows with Linux is pretty impressive, but it won't show me that Koala on the Zoo CD and let me hear him munching leaves, and the free AOL Web browser I got in the mail kind of assumes I have a Windows machine or a MAC. Likewise the free CIS "information manager" that appeared in my mailbox. BTW, I just did a little speed comparison with a complicated PostScript demo using my port of Ghostscript on the MM/1 and the version ported to Linux. Hmmm. It seems that a 486DX4/100 CAN do things faster than a 16 Mhz 68340. I need a 68040 OS-9 box. Or maybe buy the G-Windows developer's system from Ed and port Ghostscript to it. JohnW There is 1 Reply. #: 21139 S1/General Interest 17-Aug-95 21:01:56 Sb: #21120-Win 95 Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X) > Yes, its TRUE. Microsoft has finally invented Multitasking. > Even "Rush" got into the subject, commenting that Windows 95 will do for > the MSDOS users what he has been able to do on his beloved MAC for years. Yes, In the article I quoted, they had a little sidebar comparing 95 to the Mac. Kind of a game of catch-up, sounds to me like. > *** Uh-oh, I used the "R" word --- flame alert!*** Nahh, not from me > The world of marketing is a wonderous thing. I have a relatively > up-to-date messydos machine next to this MM/1. It's a toy for playing > with CD Multimedia programs and experimenting with various opsystems. > Right now, it runs MSDOS/Win3.1, OS2, OS-9000, and Linux (Coherent got > pushed off the disk by OS-9000). I would say that "DOS/Windows" is about > fifth best of those op-systems, but it is the BEST SELLING system there > is. Go figure. It's marketing miracle. I was bragging about the features of OS-9 to a lady on our local BBS. She asked what's so great about OS-9. She was not being sarcastic, she just didn't know. But every time she tries to install something on Windows, it's a major hassle. Of course I must admit that our apps don't do what those of DOS will, but I prefer to have a system that will do a "little" well than one that will do a "lot" poorly. > X-Windows with Linux is pretty impressive, but it won't > show me that Koala on the Zoo CD and let me hear him munching leaves, and > the free AOL Web browser I got in the mail kind of assumes I have a > Windows machine or a MAC. I will probably add a PC or Mac to my setup sometime, just for what you mention above. Something I have considered doing is writing a RIP Graphics comm program. I wonder if anyone would be interested in having RIP capability. Of course, it would have to be platform specific. I had thought about possibly putting all the screen output into functions in a separate file, that way if anyone wanted to port it to an MM/1, all they would have to do would be edit the functions in this file and it should be pretty much automatic. I would not want to do all this for just myself, though, and it may be a pretty formidable task. I have not begun yet. > Or maybe buy the G-Windows > developer's system from Ed and port Ghostscript to it. Yes! I have the dev-pak. I have just been a little sluggish in getting started in trying to learn it. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** #: 21112 S1/General Interest 13-Aug-95 12:13:08 Sb: #Seek Error #247 Fm: Clinton Huber 75112,3015 To: all Help! About a month ago I decided to upgrade my hard disk with with another one that would give me about 30 megs more storage. I purchased a Seagate ST-157R (RLL) hard drive and a Western Digital WD1004-27X (RLL) controller. I use the Burke & Burke interface with a Multi-pak. The problem is in formatting the hard drive. I get Seek Error #247 when it tries to do the logical format after the low level format. The hard disk and controller format ok on an IBM clone system. I have tried different options on the controller card with no help. Reading through some of the Burke & Burke documentation it appears that the software may be at fault. The documentation states that "version 2.5 drivers correctly initialize both old and new controllers". I have version 2.4b. Could this be the problem? If so where can I get an updated driver? I have been unable to contact Chris Burke so far on Compuserve, and his phone number in Maple Valley WA seems to be disconnected. There is 1 Reply. #: 21115 S1/General Interest 13-Aug-95 21:48:31 Sb: #21112-Seek Error #247 Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051 To: Clinton Huber 75112,3015 (X) > Help! About a month ago I decided to upgrade my hard disk with with > another one that would give me about 30 megs more storage. > . The > problem is in formatting the hard drive. I get Seek Error #247 when it > tries to do the logical format after the low level format. The hard disk > and controller format ok on an IBM clone system. Could it be possible that this drive might have fewer tacks or sectors than the previous one? That is, assuming that the error is actually a Seek Error.. I think my Disto returns Seek Error when it is actually another error. However, assuming it is actually a seek error, you might check the specs and then compare it with your device descriptor (you can use "dmode" for this) and see that it is not trying to seek past the tracks or sectors available on the new drive. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** #: 21114 S1/General Interest 13-Aug-95 17:58:42 Sb: AR for MSDOS in lib 9 Fm: John Murphy 73077,2305 To: ALL I've just uploaded AR 1.4 for MSDOS to lib 9, with Carl's permission. Any questions or complaints about this version should be directed to be me, John Murphy 73077,2305, and not to Carl. Have fun! John Murphy #: 21125 S1/General Interest 15-Aug-95 12:25:42 Sb: Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 To: Jochen Terasa 100421,2472 (X) Hi Jochen, irgendwie war mir die message verschollen gegangen, deswegen die spate Antwort. Ich lebe jetzt in Huttenberg, einem kleinen Dorf in der Nahe von Giessen. Nicht schlecht hier zu leben. Ohne Auto ist man aber aufgeschmissen. Hier im Dorf ist nicht viel los. Ich erinnere mich von einer fruheren message, Du hast eine Firma namens ComIng. Tja, wenn ihr da noch eine Stelle frei hattet, ware ja super! Ciao, Jost #: 21168 S1/General Interest 04-Sep-95 12:09:10 Sb: #20979-X.25 & LAP-B Fm: Allan 70506,1173 To: M. Raabe 100327,1526 Microware now sells SPF (serial Packet) file manager. This file manager support X.25 / LAPB / etc. contact Microware info@microware.com or 515-224-1929 or contact Real-Time Services Inc. arb@rtsi.com or 214-245-4239. Microware now has a protocol file manager named SPF (serial Packet) this supports X #: 21150 S1/General Interest 24-Aug-95 09:54:27 Sb: #OS9 and IVHS Fm: JOSEPH CONSUGAR 73007,3264 To: all I recently saw a news item in an electronics that said OS9 had been chosen as the operating system to be used by at least one states efforts to implement the intelligent vehicle highway system (IVHS). I cannot find the release now, and I was wondering if anyone knows anything about this? Joe Consugar There are 2 Replies. #: 21155 S1/General Interest 25-Aug-95 18:45:10 Sb: #21150-OS9 and IVHS Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: JOSEPH CONSUGAR 73007,3264 (X) >I recently saw a news item in an electronics that said OS9 had been chosen as >the operating system to be used by at least one states efforts to implement >the intelligent vehicle highway system (IVHS). I cannot find the release >now, and I was wondering if anyone knows anything about this? There was something in Electronic Design awhile ago about this. As I recall it was that OS9 had been selected to run the traffic control si #: 21156 S1/General Interest 25-Aug-95 18:45:46 Sb: #21150-#OS9 and IVHS Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: JOSEPH CONSUGAR 73007,3264 (X) >I recently saw a news item in an electronics that said OS9 had been chosen as >the operating system to be used by at least one states efforts to implement >the intelligent vehicle highway system (IVHS). I cannot find the release >now, and I was wondering if anyone knows anything about this? There was something in Electronic Design awhile ago about this. As I recall it was that OS9 had been selected to run the traffic control signals by the state of California. IVHS might be a different item? There is 1 Reply. #: 21157 S1/General Interest 25-Aug-95 20:05:50 Sb: #21156-#OS9 and IVHS Fm: JOSEPH CONSUGAR 73007,3264 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) I think this is the item I saw. If by traffic control signals you mean the signs above the highway giving motorist information and not the red and green signals at the corner, I'm almost certain it is it. Thanks for the info. Joe Consugar There is 1 Reply. #: 21158 S1/General Interest 26-Aug-95 01:05:49 Sb: #21157-OS9 and IVHS Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: JOSEPH CONSUGAR 73007,3264 (X) I sort of assumed that 'traffic' meant read/green lights... but it certainly could have been info signs, etc. The article just wasn't all that clear. But it did say that since CA is using OS9 that other states (systems?) would end up using that same system...so it should be good news for MW. #: 21162 S1/General Interest 30-Aug-95 18:19:49 Sb: Job Opening in Baltimore Fm: Cexec 74604,161 To: All A system integration company in Baltimore providing services for Social Security Administration is looking for a UNIX system administrator for SUN Solaris 2.4 and HP UX 9.x systems. Novell NetWare Network and IBM mainframe experience, a plus. Send resume and salary requirements to: Yunusa Omade CEXEC, Inc. 4th Floor 7133 Rutherford Rd., Baltimore, MD 21244 or FAX to 410-298-0361 #: 21163 S1/General Interest 30-Aug-95 20:32:11 Sb: #3.5"/720k diskdrives OK? Fm: Neil Morrison 72777,3013 To: All There's a company in California offering brand new 3.5" 720k disk drives for $14.00 each. As I recall, these work ok as drives one and two for standard OS-9 Level II. Am I right, and can I use one for drive zero as well, after transferring the files over? I note there is no default driver to use this size of drive as the boot disk. Are patches available to fix this? Thanks in advance for any answers received. There is 1 Reply. #: 21167 S1/General Interest 31-Aug-95 20:33:05 Sb: #21163-3.5"/720k diskdrives OK? Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051 To: Neil Morrison 72777,3013 > There's a company in California offering brand new 3.5" 720k disk > drives for $14.00 each. As I recall, these work ok as drives one and two > for standard OS-9 Level II. Am I right, and can I use one for drive zero > as well, after transferring the files over? Yes, you can. However, you might be well served to just keep your /d0 as a 360 floppy.. You need one somewhere for compatibility. You could add two 720's for /d1 and /d2. What I did was get a PC case for a drive case. It will hold all your floppies and your HD, if you have one. The only gotcha - especially if you don't have a HD is that _some_ power supplies require a little power draw to work... Mine works alright, so either the PS is not like this or the HD pulls enough to make it operate.. > I note there is no default driver to use this size of drive as the boot > disk. Are patches available to fix this? You don't need a different driver. All you need to do is to change your device descriptor.. You need to change the tracks from 40 to 80, and change the TYPE from 01 to 03 (I think)... You change the type, anyway . That's all there is to it. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** #: 21164 S1/General Interest 31-Aug-95 06:05:54 Sb: Job Opp. In Scotland Fm: Marc Tritschler 100344,2706 To: ALL JOB OPPORTUNITY IN SCOTLAND I work with a medium sized heavy engineering company based in Central Scotland, employing around 400 people. We are world leading manufacturers of coal mining equipment to markets in the UK, USA, France, Australia, South Africa, China, Poland, Russia etc. I am Systems Engineering Manager with a team consisting of Electrical Engineers, Electronic Engineers, Software Engineers and Automation Engineers. I myself come from a background in Software Engineering. My team are responsible for designing and implementing the control and monitoring systems on-board the mining equipment. The Electronic Systems include bought-in motor drives, radio control equipment, data communications equipment, and in-house designed industrial control computers based on single height VME hardware platforms. The embedded software on these control computers runs under OS-9. I am looking to increase our software engineering capability to match the massive demand for new functionality on the control computers, and to continue the support of our existing systems in the field (We have supplied over 40 of these control computers to cutomers in most of the aforementioned markets). I am looking for up to 2 Software Engineers for a three month temporary contract, with the possibility of a full-time position at the end of the contract. I would like to hear from you if you have OS-9 or other RTOS experience, with a background in embedded industrial systems. Recent graduates will also be considered. E-mail me your CV if you would like to be considered. Marc. #: 21180 S1/General Interest 13-Sep-95 19:21:47 Sb: library upload Fm: Steve Bliss 75716,117 To: sysop (X) Sysop, I have uploaded a file arf.ar to the 68000 library. Please check it out. It's a floppy archiver. If it works half as well for you as it does for me, I think you will like it. I have OS9 v2.3. The programs don't use cio so I hope they will run okay on your machines also. Thanks, Steve Bliss #: 21189 S1/General Interest 20-Sep-95 03:50:53 Sb: #21167-#3.5"/720k diskdrives OK? Fm: Neil Morrison 72777,3013 To: David Breeding 72330,2051 (X) Thanks for your comments. I might keep the third floppy as a spare. I don't have a hard drive because I never found any information on how to hook one up - no construction articles. Nowadays, when you can buy an IBM single board with 2 EIDE ports, a high speed floppy port, 2 enhanced serial ports, a parallel printer port and a game port for $28, it is tempting to try to figure out how to interface one to a Coco, since presumably it's within the bounds of possibility to write drivers for it. I'll have to think about it. There is 1 Reply. #: 21192 S1/General Interest 21-Sep-95 21:37:34 Sb: #21189-3.5"/720k diskdrives OK? Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051 To: Neil Morrison 72777,3013 > I don't have a hard drive because I never found any information on how to > hook one up - no construction articles. It is pretty easy if you have the interface. BTW, Farna Systems now sells the Ken-Ton SCSI HD interface for a ready-made setup. I think you can get it as a kit or complete system. If you don't have the address, it is: Farna Systems Box 321 Warner Robins, GA 31099-0321 Ph. 912-328-7859 Internet: DSRTFOX@delphi.com > Nowadays, when you can buy an IBM > single board with 2 EIDE ports, { ...} > for $28, it is > tempting to try to figure out how to interface one to a Coco, since > presumably it's within the bounds of possibility to write drivers for it. I guess it would have to be 8-bit, but I don't see why it wouldn't work, just quite a bit of programming to do. For one thing, you could then have all devices on one bus and not have to worry about multipak switching. It really sounds neat. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** #: 21193 S1/General Interest 22-Sep-95 00:32:43 Sb: #OS-9 Literature Fm: Jon P. Ward 102714,2410 To: Publisher of OS-9 I have not heard of the existance of OS-9 and were surprised to see it had it's own section in CompuServe. Could anyone tell me were I can obtain general litterature about OS-9? Thanks Jon Ward There are 2 Replies. #: 21196 S1/General Interest 24-Sep-95 10:10:12 Sb: #21193-OS-9 Literature Fm: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 To: Jon P. Ward 102714,2410 John, >>Could anyone tell me were I can obtain general litterature about OS-9?<< The only places I know of where to get literature about OS-9 is either an OS-9 distributor, or directly from Microware. Their eamil adddress is 'internet: hotline@microware.com', if I'm not mistaken. Jost #: 21198 S1/General Interest 25-Sep-95 05:31:25 Sb: #21193-OS-9 Literature Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Jon P. Ward 102714,2410 Jon, Take a look at the file OS9FAQ.TXT in LIB 1. Its not the latest OS9 FAQ, but it contains a lot of good general information about OS9 as well as a list of information sources. -Bill- #: 21201 S1/General Interest 29-Sep-95 07:51:19 Sb: #Help.Still using FLEX ! Fm: James Carter 100723,2100 To: anybody Yes thats right someone is still using FLEX on a 6809 on a daily basis ! I'm using FLEX and PL9 on a daily basis for writting control systems. I want to up grade to a better system but dont want to have to rewrite all my source code , is there any way that PL9 can be converted to any other language (C of preferance) and also what compliers cross compilers and OS would be best. I'm currently using a 486 running Win95 ( well its better than 3.1 !) and money is tight ! I'm asking here because I believe FLEX was in some respects a fore-runner of OS/9 is this true ? Thanks for any help. James There is 1 Reply. #: 21206 S1/General Interest 01-Oct-95 18:47:31 Sb: #21201-Help.Still using FLEX ! Fm: Bud Hamblen 72466,256 To: James Carter 100723,2100 Oh wow, a blast from the past. I had the 6800 version of FLEX that I ran on an SWTPC 6800 for 10 years, until I got a Peripheral Technology PT68K-2 (from the Radio Electronics articles in 1987-88) and SK*DOS, then OS-9/68000. Alas, this summer the PT was destroyed by a lightning strike that also destroyed my modem, so now I have a Linux box and a new modem running. I know there is source for a 6809 C compiler available from the C Users' Group, but that is a slender reed to lean one's livelihood on. Was PL9 a Motorola product? What sort of cross tools are available from Motorola? FLEX09 doesn't have much in common with OS-9 except that both run on a 6809 microprocessor. The only connection that Microware ever had with FLEX was that for a short period, before OS-9 came out, they offered some programs that ran on the FLEX operating system. Technical Systems Consultants did offer an operating system for both the 6809 and 68000 called UNIFLEX that was supposed to be similar to Unix and therefore would have been multi-tasking and multi-user like OS-9. The 6809 version of OS-9 is no longer marketed or supported by Microware. #: 21214 S1/General Interest 09-Oct-95 04:09:03 Sb: Cheap drives for OS9 Fm: Neil Morrison 72777,3013 To: All I've found two sources for cheap floppy drives for your CoCo or OS9 system. I've just ordered from them myself, so now I've got MINE I'm passing it on. They are:- All Electronics Corp (800) 826-5432 / (818) 904-0524 720K 3.5" drives @ $14.00 ea (new) Electronics & Computers Surplus (800) 543-0540 / (310) 217-8021 360K 5.25" drives @ $9.95 ea (new) #: 21229 S1/General Interest 17-Oct-95 04:57:21 Sb: #20940-MVME162 Fm: - Visitor 100442,477 To: Roy D Miller 100354,3307 I also am having problems, not only with the VME162 boards, but with a 4 way RS232 IP board made by TEWS. I can communicate quite happily if I dont try to access the RTS line. Once I start doing this, and there is activity on the other line my software eventually hangs up. I'm at this moment trying to solve this, and will let you know if I have any success!!! #: 21228 S1/General Interest 16-Oct-95 21:11:27 Sb: Ram Pak Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: All Dear friends: I am looking to buy a DISTO 512K Ram Pak. This was a 512k ram disk that plugged into a multipak. I will buy either in working or reasonably fixable condition. I would also need any associated software. With all best wishes, Brother Jeremy, CSJW #: 21230 S1/General Interest 17-Oct-95 14:04:07 Sb: #infoxpress Fm: Jim Vestal 103037,2655 To: All Hi all. I finally was able to resign up with Compuserve. Now that I can access it via the internet there is no usuage charges! Does anyone know how to get InfoXpress to work when connected via telnet (from my internet shell account)? The only options I see for connecting is direct dial via the CI$ network or Tymnet/Sprintnet. We do not have local CI$ or Sprintnet and our locl Tymnet adds a $2 surcharge for CI$ so I refuse to use it, why pay for an unlimited shell inet account and CI$ too. Jim There are 3 Replies. #: 21231 S1/General Interest 17-Oct-95 19:14:50 Sb: #21230-infoxpress Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051 To: Jim Vestal 103037,2655 (X) > Hi all. I finally was able to resign up with Compuserve. Now that I can > access it via the internet there is no usuage charges! Hi, Jim. Good to see you back. > Does anyone know how to get InfoXpress to work when connected via telnet > (from my internet shell account)? The only options I see for connecting > is direct dial via the CI$ network or Tymnet/Sprintnet. Hmmm... An aspect I had not considered - myself not yet having such access :-( Sounds like another assignment for Bill You might be able to fake some of the fields in default.ini whereby you could transfer control over to IX from an already-established connection. However, apparently IX looks for responses from the modem, so it might take a little work, but it might be possible. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** #: 21233 S1/General Interest 17-Oct-95 21:02:30 Sb: #21230-#infoxpress Fm: John Murphy 73077,2305 To: Jim Vestal 103037,2655 (X) << Hi all. I finally was able to resign up with Compuserve. Now that I can access it via the internet there is no usuage charges! >> Jim, you may be in for a heck of a surprise. There may not be any SURCHARGES, but the USAGE charges are still in effect, even if telnet'ing in. Of course, as long as you keep the usage under 3 (5?) hours per month, then, yeah, in effect there is no additional charge beyond the monthly membership fee. Caveat Emptor... John There is 1 Reply. #: 21234 S1/General Interest 18-Oct-95 02:56:31 Sb: #21233-infoxpress Fm: Jim Vestal 103037,2655 To: John Murphy 73077,2305 (X) Actually we get 5 free hours for $9.95 per month, not too bad. I meant no connect charges, not usuage charges. On my trial account, my first month is free with 10 FREE hours AND on top of that I got $35 usuage credits for additional hours. In all, not too bad. Jim #: 21235 S1/General Interest 18-Oct-95 04:31:29 Sb: #21230-#infoxpress Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Jim Vestal 103037,2655 (X) Hi Jim, welcome back! Yes, its possible to use a unix shell account with InfoXpress. I use it during the day with Delphi, to avoid network charges. I can't guarantee that it will work, though, it depends on a couple of things working out just right. What version of InfoXpress do you have? Also, I'm pretty sure that B protocol upload/download won't work either since I had to use the SevenBit option to get it to work. You need to set up a special network option block, this is the one I use: [CIS Internet] ;Network options for CIS internet connection NetworkType = alternate ;Network type Modem = Modem /T0 ;Modem option block name (not path name!) BaudRate = 9600 ;Baud rate PhoneNumber = 555-1234 ;Phone number SevenBit Macro=cis_internet_macro Refer to this network option block from the CIS system option block, rather than the standard one (I keep them both in the ini file with one or the other commented out). The macro (with a file name of 'cis_internet_macro' just like the option value) looks something like this: WAIT login: SEND userid^M WAIT word: SEND password^M WAIT % SEND telnet^M WAIT telnet> SEND toggle localflow^M WAIT telnet> SEND open compuserve.com^M WAIT Host name: SEND CISAGREE^M WAIT OFF): SEND 9600^M WAIT User ID: EXIT As you can see, these 'macros' are a very simple script languange. InfoXpress expects to be left at the CIS UserID: prompt, or this won't work. I can't promise that it will work for you, but I'll do what I can to help you get it going. -Bill- There is 1 Reply. #: 21238 S1/General Interest 18-Oct-95 20:08:32 Sb: #21235-#infoxpress Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) > Hi Jim, welcome back! Yes, its possible to use a unix shell account with > InfoXpress. I use it during the day with Delphi, to avoid network > charges. > As you can see, these 'macros' are a very simple script languange. You mean we could do this all along? I didn't check the manual, but is all this in there? Alright.. maybe what you are gonna have to do is rewrite IX altogether. You need to incorporate a quiz in the program asking questions from the manual. Until we can answer 90% of the questions, the program will be inoperative ... And I'm about the worst manual non-reader of the whole group, I'll bet.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** There is 1 Reply. #: 21248 S1/General Interest 25-Oct-95 14:27:45 Sb: #21238-#infoxpress Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: David Breeding 72330,2051 (X) Um, well, uh....no, its not in the current manual. Mark quit updating the manual at release 1.1, and I haven't had the time to learn lout, or convert it to something else. I've got a couple of other things I'm doing right now (you know, like my real job :-) but I'm hoping to get either 1.3.0 or 2.0 finished and the manual updated to reflect all the changes. I've also been waiting to see what CompuServe does about the ascii interface. -Bill- There is 1 Reply. #: 21250 S1/General Interest 26-Oct-95 18:29:55 Sb: #21248-infoxpress Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) > Um, well, uh....no, its not in the current manual. Well.. this makes me feel less foolish, anyway . I have still not studied your example for the Internet logon yet (not having an Internet acct), but quickly glancing over it, it does seem to be quite an ingenious implementation. > Mark quit updating > the manual at release 1.1, and I haven't had the time to learn lout, or > convert it to something else. I've got a couple of other things I'm doing > right now (you know, like my real job :-) Yeah, aren't stuff like jobs and the like real bothers? Wish we didn't have them > but I'm hoping to get either > 1.3.0 or 2.0 finished and the manual updated to reflect all the changes. > I've also been waiting to see what CompuServe does about the ascii > interface. Well, of course I guess we all have our own little "wish lists" for features, but I, for one, am really thankful we have it in its current version. It is quite reliable, and I am totally dependent upon it for all my mail and messaging. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** #: 21241 S1/General Interest 20-Oct-95 21:04:48 Sb: #VGA On The CoCo Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003 To: All I've been wondering if anyone has put a VGA monitor on there CoCo and if so, how do you do it? Is it possible?I'm sure that it is.... There is 1 Reply. #: 21243 S1/General Interest 20-Oct-95 23:16:18 Sb: #21241-VGA On The CoCo Fm: Rogelio Perea 72056,1204 To: George Hendrickson 71071,2003 (X) Hello George, Several articles on old CoCo magazines explained such a setup with a VGA monitor on a CoCo. It seems today's VGA standard (and since it was implemented) works on RGB analog video information - contrary to that RGB TTL video from CGA and EGA, so to use a VGA monitor with a CoCo 3 (which feeds out RGB analog video) you just need to match up the signal lines between the two connectors. The "catch" on using VGA is that the VGA monitor MUST be able to synch at 15 +/- MHz (don't recall the exact number) as this is the frequency used by the CoCo's RGB. Many multi-synch monitors are able to step down this far, still, I haven't seen such on the newest PC hardware catalogs; there must be some available new from certain manufacturers. Perhaps you can get lucky with such a VGA monitor in stores that sell used PC stuff. This is one of those things I have kept an eye open for, so when I come across a Multi-Synch monitor capable of beign used with my CoCo 3 I WILL BUY IT ON THE SPOT!. The quality of the image must be something to see and enjoy. IF you have some questions about the pinouts on both the VGA and CoCo's RGB connectors feel free to post again here. Right this minute I do not have my tech manuals handy and need time to browse the books before posting something here... ;-) Rogelio Perea AZ-TEC Group #: 21262 S1/General Interest 08-Nov-95 11:45:39 Sb: #21193-OS-9 Literature Fm: James M H 74273,2742 To: Jon P. Ward 102714,2410 You could try thier advertised web page at: http://www.microware.com I haven't tried this yet though. #: 21265 S1/General Interest 11-Nov-95 10:07:32 Sb: #OS9 lives on... Fm: Rogelio Perea 72056,1204 To: ALL Hello fellow OS9ers. This appeared in FidoNet's OS9_echo: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From : DAVID JACKLIN Number : 202 of 202 To : ALL Date : 10/16/95 10:51am Subject : OS9 & Interactive TV Reference : NONE Read : [N/A] Private : NO Conf : 17 - OS9 National Echo I saw a bit this morning on PBS's The Computer Chronicles which featured a new interactive television system from Microware. The system is called DAVID (caught my attention at once) which stands for Digital Audio Video Interface Device and it uses OS9 as its operating system. Note that it's OS9, not OSK or similar. This appears to be a classic "industrial" OS9 implementation, with the system resident in ROM and accessed through heirarchical menuing. The interface device? A standard-looking TV remote control! The software offers view-on-demand movies, interactive commercial and retail services, weather and emergency connections and, of coures, game playing ability. More, as well. No fixed release date, yet, but very interesting, none the less. OS9 lives on! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Rogelio Perea AZ-TEC Group There is 1 Reply. #: 21266 S1/General Interest 11-Nov-95 11:06:31 Sb: #21265-OS9 lives on... Fm: John Murphy 73077,2305 To: Rogelio Perea 72056,1204 >> The system is called DAVID (caught my attention at once) which stands for Digital Audio Video Interface Device and it uses OS9 as its operating system. Note that it's OS9, not OSK or similar. << Actually, OS-9 is the correct "generic" term for all versions of of the operating system. OSK is just a contraction of "OS-9 68000" or "OS-9 68K". I believe that DAVID currently makes use of a 68k type chip, rather than a 6809. John #: 21269 S1/General Interest 14-Nov-95 13:33:13 Sb: Graphics Libraries Fm: Bill Ward 100552,337 To: All I need a set of source files to enable me to produce some graphics functions for a bitmapped graphics adaptor. The functions I require are line drawing, box drawing and character generation. The character generation needs to use various fixed and proportional pitch fonts of various sizes. Does anyone know of any source code that is available to fulfil these basic functions? #: 21270 S1/General Interest 17-Nov-95 12:28:49 Sb: #hi Fm: Jim Vestal 103037,2655 To: All Hi All.... just dropping by to see what's new... I see nothing new here in the past month... this place has really dried up! No new 6809 uploads in weeks/months, only patches to existing osk software. Very few new messages to read... Anyway, just wanted to say hi, sorry for the complaining. Jim There is 1 Reply. #: 21272 S1/General Interest 20-Nov-95 09:36:56 Sb: #21270-hi Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Jim Vestal 103037,2655 (X) Jim, Yup, things sure have slowed down here over the past few years. Ahhh for the "good 'ol days" when you logged in threee or four times a day just to be able to keep up on the message traffic and see what new uploads were posted. That's when the sysops could get the time to enable them.....they were so busy. I log in once or twice a week and I'm lucky to read 5 new messages now. Oh well, that's progess (I guess). Take care Mark Griffith (Forum Lurker) #: 21287 S1/General Interest 05-Dec-95 19:33:30 Sb: #Newcomer needs hdwe! Fm: Chris Shearer Coope 76666,3026 To: all Howdy y'all! I'm an electrical engineer (at least that's what it says on the diploma) but it's been a long time since I did anything besides software. Anyway, I've got some ideas for little projects I'd like to play around with, and to make them happen I need a simple microprocessor board. Nothing fancy, although a C compiler would be nice , but since it's mostly for fun I really don't want to invest multiple hundreds of dollars in this. Does anybody (1) sell a simple board with processor and support circuitry that I can hook up +5V (and ground too!) and RS-232 to my PC, and some simple PC software to download programs? Or (2) a book about some common microprocessor that takes me step by step through what I have to do to build such a board on my own? The problem is that I work for myself now and I'm a stingy bastard of a boss, so the most advanced equipment I have is a voltmeter, so I really can't play around and try different things 'cuz I have almost no way to debug problems. For that matter, how about some way to turn my PC into an oscilloscope (for almost no money, of course)? Thanks all, Chris There is 1 Reply. #: 21293 S1/General Interest 07-Dec-95 02:09:20 Sb: #21287-#Newcomer needs hdwe! Fm: Neil Morrison 72777,3013 To: Chris Shearer Coope 76666,3026 (X) Look on large news stands for:- Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar Midnight Engineer Both magazines are dedicated to just these areas. There is 1 Reply. #: 21294 S1/General Interest 07-Dec-95 10:11:04 Sb: #21293-Newcomer needs hdwe! Fm: Chris Shearer Coope 76666,3026 To: Neil Morrison 72777,3013 Thanks, will check them out! I had kinda hoped somebody who actually builds & sells such a thing would pop up and offer their services, but looks like I will have to actually do some footwork . Chris #: 21290 S1/General Interest 06-Dec-95 06:36:15 Sb: #CoCo xfer problems Fm: John L. Wilkerson Jr. 71140,77 To: ALL My CoCo3 refuses to upload/download from compuserve and several other systems/boards. Then, some systems it works fine on. This problem is consistent with all terminal programs and protocols. Any ideas? There is 1 Reply. #: 21291 S1/General Interest 06-Dec-95 10:03:45 Sb: #21290-#CoCo xfer problems Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: John L. Wilkerson Jr. 71140,77 (X) Look for commonalities... and eliminate the usual suspects. Is your modem in fact working correctly? Is your logon path capable of handling 8-bit data? Are you really equipped with the right software? Too many possibilities to offer anything resembling a sensible answer to your problem, so 'fess up with more info. Wayne There is 1 Reply. #: 21292 S1/General Interest 06-Dec-95 19:34:11 Sb: #21291-CoCo xfer problems Fm: John L. Wilkerson Jr. 71140,77 To: Wayne Day 76703,376 Well, I cannot transfer files to from the following type systems: CompuServe , Wildcat systems (Can use zmodem though), Major BBS systems,and clones thereof. I use SuperComm, Kbcom, rz/sz... all exhibit the same problems. _perhaps_ my modem settings could be off...... _perhaps_ my /T2 could be off. BUT.... then, there is no standard settings to use. My modem is a 2400 with MNP capabilities. I use the SACIA package..... I keep the bps rate set to 4800 BPS, and use the mnp/compression. At one time, all this _did_ work..... at times is still will, intermittently. 99% of the time, though... timeout city. -- John #: 21296 S1/General Interest 09-Dec-95 03:38:06 Sb: F-Keys under Termcap Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051 To: ALL How does, or can, the system or a program use the Function-key definitions? Is there any way for a program to sense which F-key has been pressed except to read the sequence of characters being sent from stdin (usually, I guess), probably beginning scanning when ESC is read, and then compare the input with known values? What I am dealing with is that my system, a Delmar operating under G-Windows, has its keys defined under VGA defs. F1=\E[M, F2=\E[N, etc. My Internet server uses F1-F4 for key controls, Exit, etc.. but looks for either vt100 or Sun Systems F-key defs... I need to translate F1=\EOQ, F2=\EOR, etc (I know this is off by 1 char from my termcap defs, but this is what "it" wants).. I can read the sequence, and then write from a translation table, but is there a simpler way? -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 ***