#: 13768 S1/General Interest 30-Dec-91 11:51:04 Sb: #SNAP Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 To: 71446,166 (X) Where might I find the 25 line patch by Kevin Darling. Convential means of searching have not turned up any reference to a patch by anyone to generate a 25 line display, that I can find. Joerg Sattler, 74016,631 There are 2 Replies. #: 13771 S1/General Interest 30-Dec-91 15:33:39 Sb: #13768-SNAP Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 (X) Joerg, here's what I've found... This is an excerpt from the SuperComm documentation file. It describes one variation of the 25-line patch. Patch locations may vary depending on whether other patches have been applied to your GRFDRV module. PATCHES AND FIXES FOR ENHANCED EFFECT UNDER SUPERCOMM ----------------------------------------------------- Module: GrfDrv Purpose: Create a text screen with 225 scan lines and 25 text lines per screen. Note: this is for use with RGB monitors that have that capacity. Most T.V.s and composite monitors will not scan over 200 lines. Problems: In order to get the full 25 lines of text, you must also adjust the terminal descriptor to work accordingly. (i.e. patch /term or whatever window you happen to use for your hardware TEXT screens). Relative Addr. Old Value New Value ------------- --------- --------- 01FA 18 19 0200 18 19 08C8 03 04 08C9 15 75 08CA 03 04 08CB 05 65 === end of excerpt === After Kevin Darling put his speed-up modifications, the patch locations moved, and additional patches are needed. These are the patch areas that I have for a GRFDRV that's been patched with KD's speed-up mods. w/speed-up w/speed-up & address patches 25-line patches ======== == == 01EA 18 19 01F0 18 19 086B 14 34 086D 15 35 086F 1D 3D 0871 1E 3E 0872 03 04 0873 15 75 0874 03 04 0875 05 65 These are the patches that have worked for me. Lee #: 13774 S1/General Interest 30-Dec-91 21:30:37 Sb: #13768-SNAP Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 (X) Hi Joerg... I have a later version of Snap, with some more bugs cured, that doesn't require the 25 line thing. May upload it one of these days. For the patch, look under grfdrv patch - it's a modified grfdrv that does it. #: 13786 S1/General Interest 02-Jan-92 17:57:21 Sb: #Multimedia. Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: All I think it would be nice if someone would consider looking into the possibility of developing multimedia for OS9 in the future. I'm sure it could be done on our type of system. There is 1 Reply. #: 13793 S1/General Interest 02-Jan-92 23:05:40 Sb: #13786-#Multimedia. Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X) Uh.. have you ever heard of CD-Interactive, ala Philips? That's an OS-9/68000 based system, Phil. What more could a dedicated OS9'er want? Wayne There is 1 Reply. #: 13803 S1/General Interest 03-Jan-92 19:10:16 Sb: #13793-#Multimedia. Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X) That isn't possible. I just read my latest Compuserve magazine and it features Multimedia computing. It tells all about Unix and Dos and IBM and Mac and Amiga and all the great things that intel is doing in Multimedia. It tells about the wonder of it in OS2 and windows with Dos. It has a helpful guide to consumers who might be interested in pursuing Multimedia in the future with a list of companies in the process of developing it. As I read it I didn't notice as much as a for OS9. We all know that this fine information service would not neglect to mention one of its' own sigs or system subscribers if it had any connection at all with Multimedia or the slightest interest in pursuing it in the future. Why that could be considered ignorance or bias or neglect. I'm sorry but it isn't possible that CIS could do such a thing. There are 2 Replies. #: 13804 S1/General Interest 03-Jan-92 20:08:00 Sb: #13803-#Multimedia. Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X) GRIN. But you see, we're using the latest Stealth technology multimedia! There is 1 Reply. #: 13825 S1/General Interest 04-Jan-92 16:23:15 Sb: #13804-Multimedia. Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Hi Kev--shame on CIS!! #: 13808 S1/General Interest 04-Jan-92 03:18:02 Sb: #13803-#Multimedia. Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X) Yeah, well.... you know how people who are convinced that they are right in all respects are. You can't tell 'em anything that they think they already know. Uh.. yeah.. Stealth Technology Multimedia. Yeah. That's the ticket! Wayne PS: Ignorance, Bias, Neglect. Yep. There is 1 Reply. #: 13827 S1/General Interest 04-Jan-92 16:25:05 Sb: #13808-Multimedia. Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X) Hi Wayne--CIS should do an update to correct the snub!!! #: 13792 S1/General Interest 02-Jan-92 23:04:29 Sb: #Just Wondering... Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich, What is the (KTN4CA) appended to your signature? It looks like an amateur radio call sign at first blush, but... Wayne There is 1 Reply. #: 13824 S1/General Interest 04-Jan-92 16:20:42 Sb: #13792-#Just Wondering... Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X) Close but no cigar (g). It's a short wave listening call sign. These calls are not recognized by the government as in this country we don't need a license to listen to the radio (though there are countries where/ you do) Two private groups offer call signs to interested swl's. One gives out calls that begin WDX and the other Kss where ss is the 2-letter abbr. for your state of residence. For both, the digit following matches FCC assignments. I do occasionally listen in on the ham bands but I'm primarily interested in listening to short wave broadcasts. Radio Canada International is one of my faves, and I like to listen to the music on Africa No. 1 in Gabon and the Spanish broadcasts of Radio Habana Cuba. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) There is 1 Reply. #: 13872 S1/General Interest 06-Jan-92 13:08:00 Sb: #13824-Just Wondering... Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Ah! I'm familiar with SWL registrations... used to be WPE4JAJ waaaaay back in the 60's when Popular Electronics sponsored such a group. Like I said.. it LOOKED like a callsign, but didn't match any of the official ones that I'm familiar with. Wayne #: 13882 S1/General Interest 06-Jan-92 16:20:07 Sb: EPSON Fm: tom farrow 72701,543 To: ALL To all epson users I would like to know if there is a driver for the MX80 to be used wi}ith phantomgraph? Ple}iase let me know or drop a line to me ,Tom Farrow 72701,543. #: 13890 S1/General Interest 06-Jan-92 22:21:41 Sb: #About AR Version 1.4 Fm: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X) How does one know which version one has? There is 1 Reply. #: 13894 S1/General Interest 07-Jan-92 00:08:32 Sb: #13890-#About AR Version 1.4 Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 (X) Bruce, just do an AR -? then press . Regardless of which AR you're using it will spew out its version among other basic run information. Lee There is 1 Reply. #: 13896 S1/General Interest 07-Jan-92 00:17:15 Sb: #13894-#About AR Version 1.4 Fm: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) Thanks. After I posted the message, I looked at the docs, and I have ver 1.2. Where and what is 1.3 ? There is 1 Reply. #: 13903 S1/General Interest 07-Jan-92 02:05:58 Sb: #13896-#About AR Version 1.4 Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 (X) Bruce, My mistake... 1.2 is the current version of AR that we have and is the one you should use. Wayne There are 2 Replies. #: 13913 S1/General Interest 07-Jan-92 09:22:17 Sb: #13903-About AR Version 1.4 Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X) Wayne, Thanks for clearing that up. I was thinking that 1.3 was also an unauthorized upgrade as well. Your message to Bruce Baker confirms it. Lee #: 13917 S1/General Interest 07-Jan-92 15:58:03 Sb: #13903-#About AR Version 1.4 Fm: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X) Thanks Wayne! By the way, I now have sterm up and running, in fact, that's what I'm using for this call. Also, my wife got me the C compiler for Christmas, and I'm taking a C programming course this semester, so you'll be hearing from me a LOT in the near future! On first glance, it looks to me as if C, with it's portability, could just be the answer to a lot of problems I've heard of in the realm of transferring programs to an from MS-DOS format. There is 1 Reply. #: 13928 S1/General Interest 08-Jan-92 02:09:21 Sb: #13917-#About AR Version 1.4 Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 (X) Well, C certainly has an edge over just about any other programming language in terms of portability, Bruce. Enjoy that course... I'm having to take an 'Intro to Business Computing' course this semester - gotta have a non-tech computer course for my degree plan. Grr.. Wayne There is 1 Reply. #: 13931 S1/General Interest 08-Jan-92 03:07:32 Sb: #13928-#About AR Version 1.4 Fm: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X) Hold the presses! Look through the catalog for courses that qualify, and see if there isn't one (say, Intro to computers) that you could CLEP out of! You might have to purchace the course text, but the CLEP exam only costs about $40! There is 1 Reply. #: 13937 S1/General Interest 08-Jan-92 10:43:12 Sb: #13931-#About AR Version 1.4 Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 (X) Bruce, Well, I would normally have considered CLEP'ing out of this one but for the problem that UNTex allows someone to normally bring a maximum of 66 hours either by transfer or test-outs. With permission of the dean, I'm transferring 71 hours to my degree program, so CLEP'ing out of another one was something that I didn't think they'd go for. Wayne There are 2 Replies. #: 13938 S1/General Interest 08-Jan-92 11:53:56 Sb: #13937-#About AR Version 1.4 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X) Shoot.... You's lucky. I was only able to transfer 45 hours in at CLU. 'Course the bright side is I have ONE MORE QUARTER after the current one finishes in Feb 92... I'll be done in May 1992. Whew! Only started back in 1975 ..... How much longer have you got to go? Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 13943 S1/General Interest 09-Jan-92 09:15:46 Sb: #13938-#About AR Version 1.4 Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, Well, it's kinda hard to say, exactly, but if everything goes well and I don't have any problems getting the needed classes (some of which are offered only once every three long terms) it'll probably take me about five more long semesters. If I could take more than 12-13 hours a semester, we could cut that down a bit, but it's hard to do while working a 40-hour week and still trying to have time for the other folks in the house! Wayne There is 1 Reply. #: 13945 S1/General Interest 09-Jan-92 17:47:26 Sb: #13943-About AR Version 1.4 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X) You have my sympathy.... I've found that the light at the end of the tunnel gets closer quicker if you (I) ain't chronically looking at it. I remember thinking I'd _never_ be done. Pete #: 13952 S1/General Interest 11-Jan-92 03:49:17 Sb: #13937-About AR Version 1.4 Fm: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 To: Wayne Day 76703,376 I never went to school much, so transfer credits are something that I never had to worry about. Never hurts to try! #: 13904 S1/General Interest 07-Jan-92 02:09:06 Sb: About AR Version 1.4 Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: All An important note to all forum library users.... We have decided to remove AR14.BIN, the AR Version 1.4 archiver, from the forum's libraries, as well as asking everyone who has uploaded a file that was archived using AR1.4 to re-upload the file using AR Version 1.2. Note: in an earlier message, I inadvertently said that AR Version 1.3 was the current one, but 1.2 really is! We have done this in an effort to honor our committment to Carl Kreider, the author of AR, who copyrighted AR and allowed us to distribute the executable code and source code. He noted in his uploads that he wished to control the future evolutions of AR through software upgrades in an effort to insure compatibility with previous versions. We have also noted that this new version of AR, which Carl did not authorize, also seems to have a couple of problems reported by users. Carl has indicated that he's working on a new version of AR, but has not indicated when that new version will be along. So, until then we ask that all uploaders who are going to use the AR archiver use Version 1.2. As usual, when forum staff screen uploads, they will reject any Version 1.4 AR uploads and ask the uploader to try again, using Version 1.2. We apologize for any inconvenience this might cause you, but feel that these actions will be in the best interest of the entire OS-9 community. Thanks! Wayne Day forum manager #: 13921 S1/General Interest 07-Jan-92 19:35:08 Sb: Cherrio! Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: All Well, it's about that time again. It seems every couple of years or so situations arise that cause me to move to a new home, whether it is in the same city or across the country. This time it is across the country. Tomorrow I start a move from sunny, warm Florida to cold, overcase St. Louis Mo. Don't even think about telling me how cold it gets there (brrrrrr). This is a great career move for me, at least I hope it is. I will be working with and for our ever lovin Asst. Sysop Stevie Wegert at Datapage Tech. We will either continue to be friends or kill each other (grin). I will be making the move alone for six months while the wifey gets the house ready to sell and the kids finish off the year in school. Gee....just like to old days, nothing but me, some soft drinks, pretzels, and the CoCo at night. Should have the time to whip out some good software (I hope). So, this is goodbye for awhile. When I get setup in STL, I'll be calling a local CIS node for the first time in several years. Mybe I'll be able to maintain more of a presence here from then on. Sure hope so. Bye for a short time. Mark #: 13932 S1/General Interest 08-Jan-92 07:07:06 Sb: CoCo Stuff For Sale Fm: Jim Hutchins 73357,1661 To: all I have disassembled my CoCo system and have the following equipment for sale. All prices are negotiable (discounts for large purchases). I will ship by UPS anywhere in the US. I can ship COD, you can send me a check, or I can even accept MasterCard or Visa (thanks to my company). Leave me a message here, or call me at 317-251-7389. BTW, NEVER leave a MC or VISA number online. A list of what I've got and prices follows. Mouse $10 OS9 Level II Development Pak $45 RGB SCSI Hard Disk Controller $50 Rainbow Windows Disk and Book $15 512K Memory Board With RAM $50 Dynacalc $20 Warp Fighter 3-D $ 5 Koronis Rift $10 Plateau Of The Past $ 5 Biosphere $10 The Coco Graphics Designer $10 Success With Math-Algebra $10 Picture Disk For Above $ 5 Mastering The SAT $10 Grobot/Flipside/Timebound $ 5 Where ITW Is Carmen Sandiego? $15 Blackboard/Color It $ 5 Pascal Compiler $25 Dallas Quest $ 5 Rogue $10 Spectaculator $10 Home Publisher $15 Color LOGO $10 Rainbow Guide To OS9 w/Book $15 CoCo Extravaganza $10 TRSCopy $ 5 Rainbow On Disk 12/86 $ 5 OS9 Level I $25 Rainbow On Disk 02/87 $ 5 Pan $ 5 Rainbow On Disk 01/88 $ 5 Level II Tools $15 Rainbow On Disk 02/88 $ 5 VED, Visual Text Editor $15 How To Use Your RS Printer $ 1 Vprint Text Formater $15 OS9 Level II $35 The Interbank Incident $15 Multi-Vue $25 MVCanvas 2.0/VEF Utilities $25 All Rainbows From 1982-12/90 $75 Kings Quest III $15 SONY KV1311-CR W/CoCo Cable $250 #: 13940 S1/General Interest 09-Jan-92 04:47:08 Sb: Job Opening Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: all From usenet: Position Opening: Software Engineer Crawford Interactive Publishing 3098 Piedmont Road #200 Atlanta, Georgia 30305 Phone: (404) 365-2266 Fax: (404) 874-7727 Available: Immediately Reports to: Sandy Skidgell, Senior Software Engineer Job Description: Provide software engineering for interactive programs on a variety of hardware platforms: IBM, SUN, CD-I and Macintosh. Responsibilities include: * Programming on a project per project basis * Provide engineering analysis at proposal and project development stages Additional responsibilities may include some system support for SUN, Mac and IBM software/hardware as well as hardware requirements analysis and ordering as needed. Interface with vendors and technical support as required by the project. Qualifications: * Minimum 2 years of C or C++ programming experience * Ablity to work on Unix, DOS, OS9, OS/2 and System 7 platforms * Experience with interactive and multimedia programming preferred. If interested, please send resume to Frederic DeWulf at Crawford Interactive Publishing by the end of day, Friday January 10th. #: 13941 S1/General Interest 09-Jan-92 04:47:39 Sb: Job Opening #2 Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: all From usenet: Job Offered: Multi-media Database Programmer Microware Systems Corporation of Des Moines, Iowa, is looking for one or two individuals to join a team working on designing and implementing a new multi-media database system. This database is geared toward, but not limited to, accessing Read Only devices such as optical discs. Qualified applicants should have 2-3 years of C programming experience, knowledge of database design, and experience with the OS9 or UNIX operating systems. Send resumes to: Eric Miller Manager, New Media Systems 1900 NW 114th St Des Moines, IA 50325-7077 or uunet!mcrware!eric Microware Systems is an Equal Opportunity Employer. #: 13955 S1/General Interest 11-Jan-92 15:27:49 Sb: COCO3/386SX Swap Fm: DAVID NELMS 72527,640 To: ALL I am interested in swapping my Coco 3 system with OS9 Level 1, Level 2, Multivue, RSB Basic. I want a 386SX motherboard to upgrade my MS-DOS machine. I have a textfile of all that is with the system in the COCO forum. Look at LIB 14, file:COCOFS.TXT. The price I had was $550 for all, but a swap or $350 dollars will get all. David Nelms 72527,640 Press !> #: 13959 S1/General Interest 11-Jan-92 21:43:28 Sb: magnavox for sale Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: all I gave my wife my ST520 and she doesn't have room for the Magnavox, so is any prospective MM/1 purchaser interested in a Magnavox Pro 80 color monitor, also known as an 8CM515. It works fine and is hardly used. My wife's son used it to play games on the ST. I would like about $200 for it. Carl #: 13963 S1/General Interest 12-Jan-92 08:24:47 Sb: #Fast 6809 emulator! Fm: John Semler 70324,633 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Kevin, I got my "fast mode" emulator running! Here is some CPU timing results when running the floating point intensive program "ALMANAC": Machine Time (seconds) Comments CoCo3 55 secs CoCo2 110 secs CoCo3 times * 2 (estimated) MacIIcx 132 secs Running the "Fast mode" emulator Programs are preloaded when performing the timing studies (just to be fair to the CoCo3!). The "fast" mode of emulation requires that the program does not generate and execute new code. As you can see, I almost break even with the CoCo2. If it were not for the half carry flag calculations, the emulator would probably match or beat the CoCo2. This "fast mode" emulator is a little bit different from what I have previously envisioned . Each IOC quad word is composed of a jump vector (4 bytes) for executing 6809 primitives and a variation word (4 bytes). Total IOC memory requirement is 65536*8 bytes (In addition to 65536 bytes of "real" memory). Instructions are incrementally compiled into IOC when first encountered. Under the "slow mode" IOC that becomes dirty will also be recompiled if executed. Size of the emulator: Total 68020 instructions: 150,980 bytes Total data space requirement: 593,324 bytes This emulator developement work was made much easier by the fact that I developed a user state OS9/6809 debugger that operates like the OS9/68K version. I set up this debugger on both systems so that I can verify the proper executions of millions of instructions! The last bug I smashed didn't occur until about 1.5 million instructions into the program "ALMANAC"! This debugger will have nearly everything that the OS9/68K version has including symbolic debugging. John There is 1 Reply. #: 13980 S1/General Interest 16-Jan-92 17:23:05 Sb: #13963-#Fast 6809 emulator! Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: John Semler 70324,633 (X) John - (sorry, been out of town) Congrats! Impressive! Must feel great to have it running! How far have you gotten? Support for most OS-9 calls? Is this under the Mac OS? Is it for 68020's only? You know, the usual details . cheers - kev There is 1 Reply. #: 13989 S1/General Interest 18-Jan-92 10:13:57 Sb: #13980-#Fast 6809 emulator! Fm: John Semler 70324,633 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Am I happy to see it running? Yes! This program has been simmering over the stove on low heat for a little over a year - definitely long term project. Almost all of the 6809 opcodes have been implemented. The exceptions are "sync", "daa", "abx", "rti", "cwai", "swi", "swi2" (the real kind), and "swi3". Have not encountered them yet and I'm lazy. Almost none of the OS9 system calls have been implemented. Just enough to get "ALMANAC" running for the timing studies. Had to fake out the "I$GetStt" call, the one which returned a 32 byte path option packet. Otherwise, it seems relatively easy to map OS9/6809 I/O calls with OS9/680X0 calls. Currently the emulator is running under OS9/68K. I plan to port the assembly code over to Aztec C which, I believe, has a decent macro assembler that can build huge code. I believe a decent CoCo2 simulator that runs OS9 Level One is possible and may attempt the CoCo3 simulator if the effort proves to be successful. Unfortunately, this emulator is sprinkled profusely with 68020 machine language idioms. The most common 68020 idioms that I use are "bfextu" (bit field extract unsigned) and "bfins" (bit field insert). I use them to repair the emulated 6809 condition code bits when the 680X0 instructions doesn't simulate them correctly. But I am interested in making this emulator run under 68000 systems. I was wrong about the half carry flag calculations taking up a significant fraction of the time. It looks like the emulator will never do significantly better than a CoCo2 when running under the MacIIcx. Also discovered that MAC-OS9 disables the instruction and data caches on bootup. I re-enabled the caches under the Mac environment and noted that the run times were reduced by 7.5% (execution times within a stone throw of the CoCo2!). Maybe in 6 months I will have something to upload. I am a graduate student and Spring semester has arrived. Darn! John There is 1 Reply. #: 13991 S1/General Interest 18-Jan-92 15:57:06 Sb: #13989-#Fast 6809 emulator! Fm: Bob Santy 76417,714 To: John Semler 70324,633 (X) John: Sounds like you've been busy! The execution times are impressive! Maybe a few comments will help you out some more. >Almost all of the 6809 opcodes have been implemented. The >exceptions are "sync", "daa", "abx", "rti", "cwai", "swi", >"swi2" (the real kind), and "swi3". Have not encountered them >yet. Looks like you can continue for a long time without "sync", "cwai", "swi" and "swi3". Although support of OS9 DEBUG would require "swi". "daa" and "abx" are definite MUSTS! Incidentally, "daa" is the only instruction that requires the half-carry to be correct. >Almost none of the OS9 system calls have been implemented. >Just enough to get "ALMANAC" running for the timing studies. >Had to fake out the "I$GetStt" call, the one which returned a >32 byte pat option packet. Otherwise, it seems relatively >easy to map OS9/6809 I/O calls with OS9/680X0 calls. >I believe a decent CoCo2 simulator that runs OS9 Level One >[programs] is possible. "swi2" emulatihn for most OS9 programs can be limited to the subset of: F$Link, F$Load, F$UnLink, F$Fork, F$Chain, F$Wait, F$Exit, F$Mem, F$Send, F$Icpt, F$Sleep, F$ID, F$SPrior, F$Perr, F$PrsNam, F$CmpNam, F$Time, F$CRC, F$SFser, F$UnLoad, F$NmLink, I$Dup, I$Create, I$Open, I$MakDir, I$ChgDir, I$Delete, I$Seek, I$Read, I$ReadLn, I$Write, I$WritLn, I$GetStt, I$SetStt, I$Close and I$DeletX. The GetStt subset can be limited to SS.Opt, SS.Ready, SS.Size, SS.Pos, SS.EOF, SS.DevNm, SS.FD, SS.ScSiz and SS.ScTyp. The SetStt subset can be limited to SS.Opt, SS.Size, SS.FD, SS.SSig and SS.Relea. >Unfortunately, this emulator is sprinkled profusely with 68020 >machine language idioms. [bitfields] If you intend to eventually port to the 68000, wouldn't "bset", "bclr" and "btst" do? I suspect that just as (or more) common is the access of words at odd addresses which the 68020 will do at the expense of extra bus cycles but the 68000 will NOT do. Am I correct? Again, looks like you've gotten off to a great start!! Bob Santy There are 2 Replies. #: 14000 S1/General Interest 18-Jan-92 22:27:09 Sb: #13991-#Fast 6809 emulator! Fm: John Semler 70324,633 To: Bob Santy 76417,714 (X) Bob, Thanks for the information on the OS9 specifics! I will file it away for later use. You're right about word addressing - my emulator uses them when accessing virtual 6809 memory. I can fix this word addressing problem by reading (or writing) consecutive bytes of data. Doing this also helps to solve logical problems with accessing words in a level two simulator where MMU memory blocks may not be consecutive. As for the "bfextu" and "bfins" I was planning simulate them with the help of "Bcc" (Branch on condition codes). Will keep the instructions you mentioned in mind. Reason I went 68020 was to max out my Mac and I haven't really given any serious consideration to a 68000 version until Kevin inquired about it. I'll wait for the software to settle down before converting it over to 68000 code - it is using some very complex addressing modes (scaled index for example). I can just imagine this emulator running tens of times slower after fixing it up for the 68000 systems! John There is 1 Reply. #: 14004 S1/General Interest 19-Jan-92 07:39:09 Sb: #14000-Fast 6809 emulator! Fm: Bob Santy 76417,714 To: John Semler 70324,633 (X) John: Well, you could just leave it to the 68020 and forget about a 68000 mode. As for Level II, may I suggest that you also forget about that too. Your target audience will most certainly be those with applications to run only. An OS9 application will be concerned with the system calls I have listed and those don't really fall into Level II function. System mode calls will not be in the list unless you actually emulate the operating system as a whole. I suspect that you'd grind down to a snail's pace even on the 68020 if you tried that. Bob #: 14007 S1/General Interest 19-Jan-92 10:49:05 Sb: #13991-Fast 6809 emulator! Fm: John Semler 70324,633 To: Bob Santy 76417,714 (X) Actually (I believe) a word access would incur, on average, 1.25 long word accesses. Memory on the MacIIcx is organized into 32 bit long words. Here's the formula: (0.75)*(1 memory access) + (0.25)*(2 memory access) = 1.25 ^ ^ | | | +-- frequency of occurrence that | words DO cross 32 bit boundaries | +-- frequency of occurrence that words DO NOT cross 32 bit boundaries I plan to make use of this fact when aligning the beginning of my instruction sequences that simulates 6809 machine instructions. John #: 13966 S1/General Interest 12-Jan-92 15:13:47 Sb: Hard Disks Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: MM/ 1ers I thought perhaps current and future MM1 owners might be interested in the results of the testing I've done during the course of the development of the disk drivers for the MM1. The following chart shows transfer speed in bytes per second for the drives I have tested on the MM1 with the dma driver. (The programmed I/O driver wouldn't get above 25,000 on *any* drive). The test method is to read some quantity of sectors repeatedly (not the same sectors, though) until enough time has elapsed to give reasonable granularity. My rule of thumb is that the test should last at least 100 time intervals (ticks or seconds). By varying the quantity read, you can get some idea about the overhead of the operating system and how the performance will vary with application (copy moves big blocks at a time, while payroll may not). The most obvious conclusion you can make is that speed is related to cost. If you know the mechanics of the drives, it is also related to cache size on the drive and raw data rate used internally on the drive. It is also related to the speed of the micro on the drive (the ST296 doesn't seem to keep up at 1:1) and of course interleave. Gulp ST2502 CP340 1:1 CP340 2:1 CP340 4:1 PRO210S ST296 1:1 ST296 2:1 1 110,376 29,537 28,532 26,546 27,235 2 204,600 56,676 44,384 47,127 53,773 4 332,222 99,864 82,241 76,260 97,541 8 500,812 176,602 134,217 110,376 161,319 16 906,876 279,620 195,083 137,518 239,679 32 1,177,348 390,167 250,406 159,783 524,288 57,852 322,638 64 1,636,801 479,349 294,337 172,960 838,860 381,300 128 1,720,740 479,349 294,337 171,196 1,198,372 381,300 256 1,766,022 516,222 310,689 176,602 399,457 512 1,864,135 524,288 316,551 178,481 409,200 Definitions: Gulp How many sectors are read at once ST2502 Segate 443MB 16 ms 5.25" CP340 Conner 40MB ??ms 3.5", 2:1 means interleave of 2 PRO210S Quantum 210MB 15 ms 3.5" ST296 Segate 85MB 281 #: 13969 S1/General Interest 12-Jan-92 23:15:44 Sb: #13824-#Just Wondering... Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) A shortwave listener callsign? Pretty interesting. There are some countries where you need a license to listen to the radio? There is 1 Reply. #: 13970 S1/General Interest 13-Jan-92 00:18:34 Sb: #13969-Just Wondering... Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) Yes, there are countries which do. Australia used to require licenses to use, own, or maintain radio or TV receiving equipment until the '60's. England still does. And there are other countries. Full details appear(ed) in the WORLD RADIO TV HANDBOOK at the top of each country's listing. I haven't bought a WRTH in several years so I couldn't say whether they still do. In England, the license fees are used to support the BBC. My mother told me about when she and my father were stationed in then-West Germany and a truck would go around "sniffing out" radio receivers in use (yes, it is possible) and the authorities would go ask to see peoples' licenses. Fortunately we don't have to get a license to just listen to the radio. As for call signs, listeners get them as a way to show serious interest in radio communications even if that interest doesn't include the ability to talk in a conversation as in amateur radio. But some people like to berate such call signs as being a way to spend a couple of bucks and a stamp you couldn't find any other use for. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) #: 13971 S1/General Interest 13-Jan-92 00:25:04 Sb: #13955-COCO3/386SX Swap Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: DAVID NELMS 72527,640 (X) If your PC is a PC/XT/286, upgrading to 386 is not quite as simple as upgrading a 386 to a 486. You will need a board designed to upgrade a 286 if you have a 286, and a PC/XT is not worth the attempt. PC SOURCES did an article on upgrading to a 386sx recently (Jan 92 issue I think it is), and I'd suggest you give it a look if you haven't already. If you're still interested in the upgrade, one you might want to consider getting is the board sold by JDR Microdevices. Check a COMPUTER SHOPPER if you don't have their catalog. #: 13977 S1/General Interest 15-Jan-92 19:58:02 Sb: #I'm Back! Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: All Hi all! Well, here I am in St. Louis now. All moved in to my temp location for the next six months. Got local access to a CIS node so now I can spend more time here. Looking forward to talking at you all again. Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 13978 S1/General Interest 15-Jan-92 20:31:20 Sb: #13977-I'm Back! Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Great! Well, looking at the Weather Channel map may keep you from thinking it's all that great. :-) Glad you're in place and back online. #: 13981 S1/General Interest 16-Jan-92 19:57:56 Sb: #Death of a CoCo3 II Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: ALL I replaced all 16 DRAMs in my CoCo3 and powered up. Everything seemed to be OK. The memory tester that came with my first 512K locked up. The memory tester listed in the service manual reported ERROR! ADDR=65535. I powered down and checked the chips, then reseated a loose one. I powered up again. Nothing. Not even a green screen. With all it'll cost to as much as restore what I had (replacing the CoCo3, the 512K (3rd time), and the Slot Pak III) I decided that it's not cost effective to do so. I found a CoCo2 which I will run alongside a 386 I will eventually get. What does this mean? Expect some Level 1 questions getting posted before long. I won't be going into the CoCo and OS-9 Forums as often. And unless I can coax the CoCo2 into running the hard drive, I will not be able to reupload the file that I uploaded but saw deleted because of its archive format. If anyone's interested in a dead CoCo3 for parts (I'm 99.8% sure the GIME, ROM, and 6809 are OK) and in CoCo3-only software just let me know what you want (allow time to convert files etc.). My now 16K CoCo1 has proven perfectly reliable, my CoCo3 just the opposite. It's a disappointment it came to this but at least I'll still have one foot in the CoCo world even if it's without Super ECB and Level 2. There are 2 Replies. #: 13985 S1/General Interest 17-Jan-92 10:55:57 Sb: #13981-#Death of a CoCo3 II Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) If you're mostly getting out of the CoCo3 software world, how 'bout posting some of the software with asking prices. Maybe even any hardware that you'd be willing to part with for a reasonable price. Lee There is 1 Reply. #: 13997 S1/General Interest 18-Jan-92 22:15:02 Sb: #13985-Death of a CoCo3 II Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) I'll be doing that later. I have megabytes to convert to PC and to downsize for the CoCo2, and all this without the help of a CoCo3. In fact, all I've got to work with *right now* are a CoCo1 with 16K and not Extended BASIC and a Macintosh, with the latter not being mine. I don't have the CoCo2 yet but should in another day or two. My last "census" indicated I had 23Mb on a total of about 700 floppies. Even with the CoCo2 it'll be slow going. There won't be much in hardware I can offer but I do have a good quantity of software I will be able to unload. I've downloaded megabytes so I may throw in some of that too, saving a lot of connect time. Like my 400K of Home Publisher fonts and clipart. None of this should be construed as a committment, however. #: 13986 S1/General Interest 17-Jan-92 16:13:41 Sb: #13981-#Death of a CoCo3 II Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Hmm. Make sure the memory board isn't seated too deeply... if it touches the bottom of the sockets, CoCo-3's don't like it. best - kev There is 1 Reply. #: 13999 S1/General Interest 18-Jan-92 22:26:07 Sb: #13986-#Death of a CoCo3 II Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) The first time I upgraded to 512K, the upgrade took *days* to complete, not the five minutes the ad said it would be. The second time I upgraded the same CoCo3 (retrograded?) to 512K, it took hours. Believe me, I have experienced every possible and every conceivable problem in installing the 512K plus 2 or 3 more. A suggestion from Dave Myers of CoCoPRO! helped some, viz. putting electrical tape on the RF box to preclude the board from grounding out. So I've been through it all, checked it all, been through it all again, and so on ad infinitum/nauseum. Chris Hawks of Hawksoft diagnosed one of my problem areas as being the CoCo3's power supply being insufficient for the job and causing my problems which does seem entirely possible. So with $90 for a 128K CoCo3 plus $90 for a replacement Slot Pak 3 plus $70 for a new 512K board plus $20 for the replacement chips already wasted plus a new power supply plus shipping/handling charges all topped with hours of work and I end up with nothing I didn't have before except more watts from the power supply It's not worth it to me anymore. BTW, when I had 512K probs before, I at least got a green screen without sign-on msg. Now, nothing at all. There is 1 Reply. #: 14002 S1/General Interest 19-Jan-92 00:05:01 Sb: #13999-#Death of a CoCo3 II Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich - yes, it sounds like you've had a frustrating experience. It's at times like this that I wish we were all physically together, instead of diagnosing online. Good luck, whatever! You've always got a home here. kev There is 1 Reply. #: 14018 S1/General Interest 20-Jan-92 01:24:14 Sb: #14002-#Death of a CoCo3 II Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) I know I will still have the CoCo around when I need it. There will be no dust to wipe off at each power up either. It'll just be on a smaller scale. After all, there's no way a CoCo2 could hope to do what I've done on my 3 when it was alive. To ease my transition into being in both worlds I've written (but not debugged) some DOS macros and batch files so DOS will accept some commands I'm used to. Like DOSKEY LIST=TYPE $1 and DOSKEY COBBLER=FORMAT $1 $2 /S (I had to allow a second parameter for 4 or /f:720.). Most of them are so simple so as to not need any further work but some will have to be tested. I had to stretch a little to come up with equivalents to MDir and Procs. I'll upload everything here when I'm happy with the results. As for the CoCo2, I've now learned how to use the Level 1 Debug to fix up /d0 and /d1 to match my drives' capacities. I'm too used to EZGen which I can't use anymore. And if we were all together I probably would not have thrown in the towel like this. There is 1 Reply. #: 14046 S1/General Interest 23-Jan-92 00:21:31 Sb: #14018-#Death of a CoCo3 II Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich, I have followed your messages about the poor CoCo 3 for the past few weeks and I wonder if you are not giving up too easily. When I saw that you were planning to try to persuade MSDOS to look a bit like OS9 I figured I had to say something before it was too late! I make a good part of my living troubleshooting data communications equipment (on the phone, not the bench, mostly) and I must say that the easiest problems to fix are the "It used to work OK" type, rather than the "It never worked" ones. I don't recall all the things you mentioned but if it were my CoCo 3 I would check first the power supply voltages (which will probably be OK), then look at the chips. This can be done systematically if you have the service manual and an oscilloscope. Indeed, the service manual has an entire section on step by step troubleshooting which should let you identify the bad chip (by far the most likely problem) in short order. If you don't have the service manual you may still be able to get one from Tandy (part no. 26-3334). If there was no inconvenient border in between us (I presume you are in the U.S.) I would say to send me the thing and I would take a look at it. But for heaven's sake don't give up on it. At the worst you should be able to get another one; they show up here from time to time and there must be thousands of them gathering dust in various places. And no matter how much you want to pretend, you will never make MSDOS work like OS9. There is 1 Reply. #: 14059 S1/General Interest 23-Jan-92 23:33:29 Sb: #14046-Death of a CoCo3 II Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X) I do have a service manual for the CoCo3 and I do have an analog vom (20000 ohms per volt). I do have an oscilloscope too but it's an all-tube scope (EICO 460) from 1961 and I never managed to get it back to original specs. About 85% there. I think I need to replace one of the tubes and I can't find most of its tubes. On my CoCo3, it seems fixing one problem ends up making that problem worse and then a new one comes my way. And it seems unlikely to me that getting another CoCo3 would not just give me more of the same. At least with a pc I won't have to search far and wide and endure weeks of down time when a part goes bad. Installing the 512K was torturous the first time and every subsequent time. Do I want to go through that time and again all over? It took several toll calls to a technician before I could get my hard drive working and then it was slow. The scsi47 drivers only wiped out the whole disk and left it incorrectly formatted. If I stay with my CoCo3 I now know I will never realize half the hard drive performance I paid dearly for. And then the Slot Pak III. Marty Goodman informed me that thing has a tendency to self destruct. Do I want to drop $180 a year on Slot Pak III's? And of course DOS will never be exactly like OS-9, but who said it was even intended to be. My CoCo1 has proved very dependable. But I dropped hundreds of dollars and tens of hours of work on the CoCo3 and then it dies after I had it a mere 51 weeks. #: 14008 S1/General Interest 19-Jan-92 11:00:12 Sb: #Floppy Disk Drivers Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 To: all The company I work for is in the midst of designing some new 6809 hardware. The new board will have a 3 Mhz 6809 (6309? The one by Hitachi), a megabyte of (paged) RAM, a DMA chip, a floppy disk controller chip of some type (probably an Intel family part) and a 1.44 MB 3.5 inch floppy disk drive. We are going to use the MESS-DOS disk format so our customers (who probably already have a PC) can configure our unit off-line, duplicate disks, etc. I get to write the floppy disk code which leads me to my questions: Would a driver written in C be fast enough? Is anyone aware of any C source (licensable or PD) for dealing with the MS-DOS disk format? If assembler is the way to go, are there any example '09 (or C) floppy drivers available here or elsewhere that someone could point me towards? Any sources of information, references, hints, etc., would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, -J There is 1 Reply. #: 14011 S1/General Interest 19-Jan-92 13:38:00 Sb: #14008-#Floppy Disk Drivers Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 (X) Gee...how much do you expect this board to cost? There are 2 Replies. #: 14025 S1/General Interest 21-Jan-92 20:26:48 Sb: #14011-Floppy Disk Drivers Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) I suspect that it will cost less than $100 for the parts. I'll ask what the latest expected cost will be in our hardware meeting tomorrow. -J #: 14056 S1/General Interest 23-Jan-92 22:45:47 Sb: #14011-Floppy Disk Drivers Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Well, OK, perhaps a bit more than $100 for the card I was talking about. Another card in the same unit with about the same features but no floppy controller, 2 meg RAM instead of 1 and 2 serial ports with DMA is estimated to cost approximatly $90.00 for parts in quantities of a thousand. -J #: 14026 S1/General Interest 22-Jan-92 06:24:27 Sb: #Vender's area Fm: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041 To: SYSOP (X) Wayne, why limit the vendor's section to commercial providers only, as their "rountable", when you can take the example of the vender's section of Hamnet and Commodore (go CBM) and make it accessable by the customer (us) as a customer support area?? It would be far nicer to directly contact the porvider on the SIG when we need contact than limit it to a locked commercial room..... It would also show us the true interests of the provider as how well each of them handled themselves and the problems!!! "Just a thought"... Best, D. There is 1 Reply. #: 14032 S1/General Interest 22-Jan-92 20:58:00 Sb: #14026-#Vender's area Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041 (X) Dick, Just a couple of observations ... When we opened the Vendor section, it was to give folks like IMS, Frank Hogg Labs, Delmar, etc a place to discuss their issues with each other. A member of the forum can alway leave a message to any vendor that actively participates in the forum. They need only their User ID. Steve There are 2 Replies. #: 14033 S1/General Interest 22-Jan-92 21:39:20 Sb: #14032-Vender's area Fm: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Sorry, I must have misread VENDER.TXT, because it llooked like this was to be a commercial vender's area only, complete with criteria for admissions... I've seen vender's areas on someof the SIGs that were used as customer service areas and this was what I was suggesting. Thanks for the reply. Incidently, I have a private note for you over in Email that I composed, then held onto cause I was afread the wrong people might see. Appreciate all your help over the years Steve... a handshake and salout to you.. D. #: 14039 S1/General Interest 22-Jan-92 22:42:03 Sb: #14032-#Vender's area Fm: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, I just went back and reread VENDER.TXt and found that it specified that the area eas to be semi private, and not open to individuals, but to venders only with a criteria. That dousn't sound very "open to the individual" to me... I eas suggesting an area of verders that would be used as a customer service area, as is done on some of the other SIGs... Thanks anyhow, Dick There is 1 Reply. #: 14052 S1/General Interest 23-Jan-92 13:51:51 Sb: #14039-#Vender's area Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041 (X) Dick, I do appreciate the kind words, thanks! On the Vendor area ... again, the Vendor Section is a semi private area meant for the use of the Vendors only. However .... they still see and can respond to any messages posted in any other section of the forum. By having a 'private' area they can use, we can count on them being around to help with folks questions in other areas. Make sense? Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 14073 S1/General Interest 25-Jan-92 11:49:59 Sb: #14052-Vender's area Fm: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Appreciatr the reply, but as to "make sence", to this grampa'sd old mind, I'm not really sure I comprahend...!! Sorry, I guess I'm just gettin' old... As to access, I'm alwayd glad tosee access "customer service" style so will applaud that ... That was my whole purpose in this string. Best to you, and C U D. #: 14035 S1/General Interest 22-Jan-92 22:06:24 Sb: #OS9 lvl 1.1 Fm: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041 To: ALL Several months ago, when Radio Shack was closibg out everything for the Coco, I bought OS9. Now I've noticed that what I bought was levrl 1.1 while everything on here is level 2! Did I waste my money??? What do I do with 1.1??? Thanks, Dick There is 1 Reply. #: 14041 S1/General Interest 22-Jan-92 23:43:34 Sb: #14035-#OS9 lvl 1.1 Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041 (X) If you are using a CoCo1 or 2, no, because you can't run Level 2. If you are using a CoCo3, almost but not quite. You gain an assembler which will run on Level 2 which will do quite well in lieu of the Level 2 assembler which will be very difficult to get. You also gain a few extra commands (like Save and Dump) though I'm not sure if the Lev1 versions will run on Lev2 properly. And the manuals might prove helpful now and then. I've found that having full Lev1 documentation helped me determine why some things were not working for me on Lev2: it's because they were Lev1 and Lev2 implemented the same things differently. I also found a text file which referred to a specific page in one of the manuals. I couldn't find anything in my Lev2 books so I checked my Lev1 and found what the file was talking about (and that I really didn't have the problem the file addressed because it's Lev1 only). So if you're using a CoCo3 and paid less than ten dollars for Lev1 (I paid five) I'd say keep it. There is 1 Reply. #: 14072 S1/General Interest 25-Jan-92 11:44:12 Sb: #14041-#OS9 lvl 1.1 Fm: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Thanks for the reply... I'm almost totally computer programming illeraye, so when I looked at the books that camewith level 1.1, they meant very little to me. I simply don't know enuf to understand them.. I'm running a Coco 3, but have a modified 1, and a stock 2 as well. What happens if I try to run Ultimateterm or somethong like that that is meant for level 2 ojn my level 1.1 ??? Will it take it??? Best, D. There are 2 Replies. #: 14075 S1/General Interest 25-Jan-92 14:49:00 Sb: #14072-#OS9 lvl 1.1 Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041 (X) Ultimaterm isn't an OS-9 program, so it won't run under Level 2 or Level 1 OS-9 either one. You should give serious thought to grabbing one of the versions of sterm to use with CIS under OS-9, since it will support CIS B protocol, definitely the way to go when using CIS. There is 1 Reply. #: 14084 S1/General Interest 26-Jan-92 13:19:25 Sb: #14075-#OS9 lvl 1.1 Fm: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) "Sterm", ok, thanks... Do you have any suggestions on a good word processing program?? the word processing and communicating are about all I do in computing. I have used Autoterm almost exclusively as it does a neat job of both. Thanks for your wisdom and good words, D. There is 1 Reply. #: 14086 S1/General Interest 26-Jan-92 14:45:12 Sb: #14084-OS9 lvl 1.1 Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041 Hmm...I don't do much in the way of word processing. When I do, I typically use a plain vanilla text editor to generate a file I feed to a text formatter, rather than using a word processor as such. Perhaps other folks who know more about it will respond. #: 14076 S1/General Interest 25-Jan-92 16:56:15 Sb: #14072-#OS9 lvl 1.1 Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041 (X) As powerful as OS-9 is, it is not a simple operating system and it will take time and effort to learn it and make it work for you (rather than you for it). It won't happen overnight. If your CoCo1 or 2 has 64K and Extended BASIC you can use your OS-9 1.1 on that. Check the message you see on the screen when you power up. If you see DISK EXTENDED COLOR BASIC 1.1, put your system master disk in drive 0 and type DOS[ENTER]. Otherwise put your Boot Disk in drive 0 and type RUN "*"[ENTER] then select Boot OS-9 from the menu. Again, you cannot use your version of OS-9 on the CoCo3; you must have Level 2 to run OS-9 on a CoCo3. Some things meant for Level 2 will run on your Level 1 1.1, but most won't. To make things worse, they will load: they just won't run. Ultimaterm is not a OS-9 program. When my CoCo3 was working it was my predominant terminal program and I like it a lot. It will work only on the CoCo3 but you run it from ordinary Disk BASIC. If you get OS-9 Level 2 you might want to get STerm (which is for OS-9) as an additional terminal program. I've used that as well as SuperComm, OSTerm, and XCom9 but Ulterm remained my primary program. There is 1 Reply. #: 14085 S1/General Interest 26-Jan-92 13:35:53 Sb: #14076-#OS9 lvl 1.1 Fm: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Interesting.... I had no idea that OS9 leve 1.1 wouldn't work on a Coco 3!!! I got it specifically because I thought it needed a 3!!! Oh, well, I only paid ten dollars for it... that won't beeak me (grin). Yes, there is a lot to learn. OS9 is supposed to like Xenix, and I also felt I needed to know something about that system if I'm to remain a professional electronic communications technician, which I am, or was. I'm a prematurally retired Western Union Field Service Technician/Technocal Rep, with some computer technician training, but NO programming training. They had us responsible for data terminals and computers configured as terminals, the leased phone lines, intercity multiplexing networks, and the networks themselves. We had pour own networks, plus maintenance responsibility for contracted private systems all over and kinds. Nevell and Xenix are more recent, and I feel it necessary to keep up... Thanks again for your answeres.. apreciate it. D. There are 2 Replies. #: 14089 S1/General Interest 26-Jan-92 21:09:36 Sb: #14085-OS9 lvl 1.1 Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041 OS-9 was based on "classic" Unix. OS-9 and Unix have developed apart from each other and there are now many differences between them. But if you are comfortable with one you will be able to pick up the other fairly easily. Try out your 1.1 on the CoCo2. You can't do as much with it as you can do with Level 2 on a CoCo3 but it will offer enough to be worthwhile. And if you find a copy of the Level 2 system you'll already have a head start on it. #: 14098 S1/General Interest 27-Jan-92 17:26:34 Sb: #14085-#OS9 lvl 1.1 Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: O. C. (Dick) Warren 72116,1041 Also, there was an upgrade for OS-9 Lvl 1 ver 1.1 to ver. 2.0 that would allow it to run on a CoCo3. You might be able to dig up one of those upgrade packages. It would still be a Level 1 system as opposed to a Level 2 system, but there were some patches for Level 1 ver. 2.0 that allowed the CoCo3's extra memory to be used for RamDisk area. The ideal thing to do is try to get up to Level 2 ver. 02.00.01. It exploits the CoCo3 more completely. Lee There is 1 Reply. #: 14106 S1/General Interest 28-Jan-92 09:07:30 Sb: #14098-#OS9 lvl 1.1 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) Lee - Also - I forget EXACTLY where (Kev?), but there's a constant that you can change in the pre-boot or boot code from $FF00 to $FE00 and LI versions 1.00 and 1.01 will boot (this code is resident in the first several bytes on track 34). The reason is that a CC3 uses the uppermost page as an interrupt table, and os9 LI loading there clobbers it. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 14107 S1/General Interest 28-Jan-92 09:56:26 Sb: #14106-#OS9 lvl 1.1 Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) That patch location may be documented in the D/Ls. I'm like you, I remember that there was a patch, but that's it. Lee There is 1 Reply. #: 14108 S1/General Interest 28-Jan-92 12:57:32 Sb: #14107-#OS9 lvl 1.1 Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) Aha. Took a wee bit of looking, but in Lib 10: CC3FIX.ASM/Asc Bytes: 2560, Count: 131, 08-Nov-86 Last:12-Jan-92 Title : Keywords: PATCH SOURCE SRC 1.0 1.1 COCO 3 "CC3FIX is the source code for a program to patch OS9 L-I ver 1.X to run on a CoCo-3. Instructions are in the file. Note: be sure to use a newly formatted disk. This pgrm is run while under 1.X on your CoCo-2. The boot created runs on CoCo-3. Also get FIXCMD.ASM to patch your old OS9gen and cobbler. From Kent Meyers" There is 1 Reply. #: 14113 S1/General Interest 29-Jan-92 00:37:49 Sb: #14108-OS9 lvl 1.1 Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) I hope O.C. (Dick) Warren is reading this thread, he's the fellow that was first asking about such a fix for 1.0/1.1 OS-9 running on a CoCo3. Thanks, Lee #: 14054 S1/General Interest 23-Jan-92 20:21:36 Sb: 800 access Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob, Hope you caught the announcement in the What's New bulletin this morming regarding the 800 access number from Canada. Seem's some one in Columbus made a mistake. It's going up the first of Feb. Go NEW for the details. Steve #: 14055 S1/General Interest 23-Jan-92 20:57:42 Sb: #CD-I Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 To: all Hi all, If you would like to find out what store near you carries CD-I systems call this number. They will ask you your zip code and tell you where to go to see it. 800-223-7772 Frank There is 1 Reply. #: 14058 S1/General Interest 23-Jan-92 22:46:01 Sb: #14055-CD-I Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 To: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 (X) The current issue of the Amiga magazine ".Info" has a comparison of Commodore's CDTV CD-Rom unit and a CD-I unit. I have NOT read this article yet so I can't comment on it, but I thought I'd mention it in case anyone is interested. -J #: 14066 S1/General Interest 25-Jan-92 02:58:43 Sb: #Help! Disto & SCSI Fm: Thomas A. Jones 72200,3032 To: All I need some help with my CoCo III. I have a Seagate ST157n-1 SCSI drive attached to a Disto 4-in-1 card. When I try to do a low level format I get errors. I have the 4-in-1 running through a Multipak. Any ideas about what could be wrong? There is 1 Reply. #: 14078 S1/General Interest 25-Jan-92 19:28:38 Sb: #14066-Help! Disto & SCSI Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: Thomas A. Jones 72200,3032 (X) Dear Tom, What sort of errors do you get. Are they 243,244, or 247. Or do you mean that you are unable to format it. I have a COCO3 with 512k, SC11 and a Seagate 138n. I replaced the driver from DISTO with the Seagate one from SCSI4.7 which should be here on CIS. I had a bit of trouble getting it all to work. If I can find my notes (forum messages which I have saved) I will try to reconstruct what I did. With all best wishes, Br. Jeremy, CSJW ps. One thing you probably would not want to try. I dropped the hard drive down a flight of stairs. After that....it worked. #: 14067 S1/General Interest 25-Jan-92 05:05:59 Sb: #13904-#About AR Version 1.4 Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715 To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X) Wayne, I have uploaded (i think) a few files recently but I am not sure if it was with the newer ar's. If I have could you PLEASE tell me which files are mine and Ill re-do them with ar 1.2 and re-upload them. I do not remember if I did. Mike There is 1 Reply. #: 14092 S1/General Interest 27-Jan-92 02:35:00 Sb: #14067-About AR Version 1.4 Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715 Mike, We've caught the files that are identified as being with 1.4, so I wouldn't worry about it too much, unless someone mentions something. To find your files in the library, you'd enter the command: CAT [76576,2715] / LIB:All and the files you uploaded in all libraries would be displayed. Wayne #: 14081 S1/General Interest 26-Jan-92 06:49:07 Sb: #Disto & SCSI Fm: Thomas A. Jones 72200,3032 To: Brother Jeremy CSJW, 76477,142 (X) I have trouble t doing the low level format from RS BASIC. It doesn't give an error number like in OS9. I have formatted the drive before with another (later version) of the Disto 4-in-1 and it worked. Once I can get the low level format then it is easy to do the OS9 format. Any ideas? There is 1 Reply. #: 14082 S1/General Interest 26-Jan-92 11:00:11 Sb: #14081-Disto & SCSI Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: Thomas A. Jones 72200,3032 Dear Tom, What are you using to format the drive? I think that there was a utility on the Disto disk. I can't remember but I might have done mine under RGB-DOS which I am not certain if it is still available. I still think, however, I finally had luck with SCS1_4.7. I had to make a new Boot disk. Very easy with EZGEN from BURKE and BURKE. It is possible that the first sector on the HD is bad. As a final thought, years ago it was suggested that if a cassette tape did not load properly, one should turn the tape player upside down. Rainbow always had letters proving that it worked. I did the same with my HArd Drive and I was able to format it. I have some theories as to why it worked, but in any case it did. Don't give up, the folks here were very helpful when I couldn't get mine working. With all best wishes, Br. Jeremy, CSJW #: 14091 S1/General Interest 27-Jan-92 00:21:49 Sb: TC70 Kit Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 To: all Hi all... I just uploaded a file describing... The Fabulous Tomcat TC70 is now available as a KIT! Frank Hogg - FHL #: 14095 S1/General Interest 27-Jan-92 13:48:46 Sb: #13932-CoCo Stuff For Sale Fm: BOB GLAD 71046,1134 To: Jim Hutchins 73357,1661 Do you have MVCanvas left? I would like to have that if you still have. Let me know and we can make arrangements. CIS 71046,1134 Delphi TruckerBob Thanks Bob #: 14100 S1/General Interest 27-Jan-92 22:43:07 Sb: For Sale Fm: - Visitor 72517,2423 To: CoCo Users For sale, COCO Model 26-3027 SN 001581764K 32k expanded to 64k and COCO-2 64K Model 26-3127 SN 0113392 plus FD201 drives and other equipment Call 1-800-356-6255 ask for Joe. #: 14101 S1/General Interest 27-Jan-92 23:27:58 Sb: Email Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Hi. Just a note to let you know I sent you email. Thanks Frank #: 14109 S1/General Interest 28-Jan-92 14:27:08 Sb: Disto SC-II wanted Fm: John L. Wilkerson Jr. 71140,77 To: All I am looking for a Disto SC-II w/ the no-halt driver. If someone has one they wish to part with Real CHEAP, let me know. --John #: 14140 S1/General Interest 31-Jan-92 10:45:20 Sb: Rules to LIVE by... Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: All 10 commandments for Technicians ~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. Beware the lightning that lurketh in the undischarged capacitor, lest it cause thee to bounce upon thy buttocks in a most un-technicianlike manner. 2. Cause thou the switch that supplieth large quantities of juice to be opened and thus tagged, that thy days in this Earthly vale of tears be long. 3. Prove to thyself that all circuits that radiateth and upon which thou toil are grounded and thusly tagged lest they lift thee unto radio heaven. 4. Tarry thou not amongst those fools that engageth in intentional shocks, for they are surely non-believers and are not longeth for this world. 5. Take care that thou useth the proper method when thou taketh the measure of a high voltage circuit, lest thou incinerate both thyself and thy meter. 6. Take care thou tampereth not with interlocks and safety devices, for this incurreth the wrath of thy supervisor and bringeth the fury of the safety inspector upon thy head and about thyhshoulders. 7. Toil not thou on energized equipment, for if thou so doest, thy fellow workers will surely buy beers for thy survivors and console them otherwise. 8. Service thou equipment not alone, for electrical cooking is a slothful process and thy mind will sizzle in thine own juices for hours upon a hot circuit before thy maker sees fit to end thy misery. 9. Trifle thou nit with radioactive tubes and substances lest thou commenceth to glow in the dark liketh a lightning bug and thy spouse hath no further use for thee except for thy wages. 10. Causeth thou to be tagged all modifications made by thee upon equipment lest thy successor teareth out hair by the roots and goeth slowly mad in an attempt to decide what manner of creature madeth a nest in the wiring of such equipment. #: 14227 S1/General Interest 08-Feb-92 17:27:19 Sb: #DISTO Products Fm: GRANT C. MCGREGOR 72237,744 To: All Does anyone know if CRC in Montreal is still manufacturing DISTO products? If so, could someone provide me with their address? After a few years of ignoring my COCO III I dug it all out and decided to re-learn OS-9 - mostly to get some enjoyable relief from my normal Mess DOS activities. I would like to use the COCO for telecom so I need the serial port adapter for my Super Controller II. Thanks, Grant McGregor There is 1 Reply. #: 14229 S1/General Interest 08-Feb-92 19:25:20 Sb: #14227-DISTO Products Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: GRANT C. MCGREGOR 72237,744 (X) Disto stopped production last year. But you're not out of luck because you don't need to get that serial adapter. Just get a RS-232 pak and a Slot Pak III multipak equivalent. Both are available from CoCoPRO!. You can contact them by modem at 313 292 4713. You can also ask them about a used Disto adapter if you want to. A fully assembled RS-232 pak will cost $45 and the Slot Pak $90. Your SC-II will work fine in the Slot Pak. Put it in Slot B, the RS-232 pak in Slot X, and you will have Slot A free for something else. #: 14316 S1/General Interest 13-Feb-92 23:10:15 Sb: OS-9 Job at Heurikon Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: all [edited from usenet] OS-9 Software Engineer wanted: A BSEE or BS/CS and at least 2 years experience with OS-9, C language and Motorola 68K are required. Operating systems programming and UNIX experience is a definite plus. Excellent written and oral communication skills are essential. Heurikon offers a generous compensation and benefits package in a professionally encouraging environment. For consideration, please E-Mail your resume to >INTERNET:mike.cerny@heurikon.com, or mail your resume to: Arlene Michaels, Director of Human Resources, Heurikon, 8310 Excelsior Drive, Madison, WI 53717. An Equal Opportunity Employer M/F/H/V. Women and minorities are encouraged to apply. Only those with OS-9 experience will be considered for this position. UNIX is a registered trademark of AT&T. #: 14349 S1/General Interest 16-Feb-92 19:29:43 Sb: CoCo3 Items Sale Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: ALL Some of you may have read that I've dropped down to a CoCo2. Therefore I now have some CoCo3 software and hardware I am offering for sale. Send E-mail or leave a forum message for a descriptive list (about 11K). I uploaded it to my PER area but CIS rejected it as a text file so I tried again calling it binary. You will therefore receive the list as binary, so just download it from your mailbox with a protocol and you should have no trouble reading it in DECB and I presume in OS-9 as well. #: 14368 S1/General Interest 17-Feb-92 20:25:48 Sb: #XPAD Address Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 To: ALL Does anyone here know the hardware adress that is used by the old XPAD. ?????? Joerg Sattler, 74016,631 There are 2 Replies. #: 14372 S1/General Interest 17-Feb-92 22:25:33 Sb: #14368-#XPAD Address Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 (X) Joerg - the XPad is at FF60-63. I can't find my docs right away on what each address is for, tho. I believe the first is X, the second is Y, and the third is the button and menu and validity status. Need more? There is 1 Reply. #: 14384 S1/General Interest 19-Feb-92 19:04:32 Sb: #14372-XPAD Address Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) When using the Eliminator I believe that address is not in use so theoretivcally It should be possible. I would like to get all I can. I am curoisus Curious as to wheter it could be used under OS9 If possiv [Dble. #: 14375 S1/General Interest 18-Feb-92 06:29:55 Sb: #14368-#XPAD Address Fm: Bob Santy 76417,714 To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 (X) Joerg: I just happened to have an old reference manual for the X-Pad lying around. Here's the X-Pad hardware register specs: $FF60 X = 0..255 X coordinate $FF61 Y = 0..255 Y coordinate $FF62 Status Byte D0 Pen Down 1 = Pen is down D1 Proximity 1 = Pen is within 1 inch of the pad surface D2 X-Margin 1 = Pen NOT within 1 inch of X margin D3 Y-Margin 1 = Pen NOT within 1 inch of Y margin D4..D7 Always 0 Bob There is 1 Reply. #: 14385 S1/General Interest 19-Feb-92 19:08:25 Sb: #14375-#XPAD Address Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 To: Bob Santy 76417,714 (X) Do you think it's possible to use the xpad under os9, or is the address conflict insurmoutable. I am using the eliminator setup so in theory there is a way to not have a hardware address conflict. unless the xpad uses a reserved address belonging to the GIME. I seem to remenmber something like that from a long while ago??. Joerg There is 1 Reply. #: 14386 S1/General Interest 20-Feb-92 05:45:12 Sb: #14385-#XPAD Address Fm: Bob Santy 76417,714 To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 (X) The address conflict wouldn't be as much an issue to me as WHAT KIND of OS9 driver to use. Seems to me that an SCF driver is closest. Then again, it may not fit the bill. You could think about a file manager as well. The X-Pad is kind of like a mouse, but is a mouse compatible with the SCF concept? There is 1 Reply. #: 14389 S1/General Interest 20-Feb-92 19:11:13 Sb: #14386-#XPAD Address Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 To: Bob Santy 76417,714 (X) Who would actually the best person to ask these questions of?? CIS Joerg There is 1 Reply. #: 14391 S1/General Interest 21-Feb-92 06:42:04 Sb: #14389-XPAD Address Fm: Bob Santy 76417,714 To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 Joerg: I guess I don't know. I'd probably try an SCF driver for starters and see if it works out. Handle most of the information using GETSTAT calls modeled on the mouse stuff in the level 2 windows? I suspect that the X-pad driver would rarely present data that you could use read calls for. #: 14383 S1/General Interest 19-Feb-92 17:37:29 Sb: MW Network Jobs Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: all [edited from Usenet] Microware Systems Corporation seeks candidates for two full-time Software Engineer positions in our Networking Department. Responsibilities include maintenance and enhancement of Internet Software, file managers, device drivers and utilities, as well as network performance monitoring, analysis and troubleshooting. Desired Qualifications: - In-depth knowledge of TCP, UDP, IP internals - OS-9 or UNIX device driver experience (AM7990, SLIP, etc.) - NFS, RPC internals - Experience in C and assembler (680x0, 80386, RISC) Contact: Please send resume or questions to: Mike Burgher Microware Systems Corporation 1900 N.W. 114th Street Des Moines, IA 50325-7077 >INTERNET:mikeb@microware.com #: 14388 S1/General Interest 20-Feb-92 14:24:29 Sb: Hard Drive Sale Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: ALL I am offering a complete OS-9 hard drive system for sale as part of my transition to CoCo2/80386. I have uploaded a full description of the system to the Color Computer Forum (GO COCO) in Lib 14. The file name is HDSYS.TXT. I just uploaded the file so if it is still awaiting sysop approval, please go back later to get it. The file length is about 3.5K and is text which can be read online. #: 14446 S1/General Interest 29-Feb-92 23:22:51 Sb: #14092-About AR Version 1.4 Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715 To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X) ok that thing you showed to find all my files is fine but what I asked is I am not sure which ones could have been done with 1.4. obvoisly the files before 1.4 came to be are OK but afterwards i am not sure 1.4 and 1.5 do such a good compression and faster then pak I use it alot. Well if anyone does say something I will correct it. Mike #: 14632 S1/General Interest 18-Mar-92 23:24:26 Sb: CoCo things for sale Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: ALL I have uploaded to the Color Computer Forum (GO COCO) an updated list of all the hardware and software I now offer for sale. The list can be found in Lib 14 under the filename CC3ITM.LST and can be identified by Version 2.0. At the time of this posting, the file is still pending sysop approval. OS-9 and DECB software, primarily for the CoCo3, are in the list. The hard drive system described in HDSYS.TXT in the same DL is also still available. #: 14633 S1/General Interest 18-Mar-92 23:52:33 Sb: MW Training Job Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: all [edited from usenet] Microware Systems Corporation seeks a candidate to fill a Technical Training Engineer position in their Technical Services Department. Responsibilities include instructing their customers in using MW's real-time operating systems, new employee orientation, customer consultation, and future seminar development. Desired Qualifications: Proficiency using C language 1 year OS-9 experience Ability to speak comfortably to large groups of people Willingness to travel Teaching experience helpful, but not necessary [compensation and benefits list deleted] Please send resume or questions to: David West, Microware Systems Corporation 1900 N.W. 114th Street, Des Moines, IA 50325-7077 ...or >INTERNET:davew@microware.com (no phone calls) #: 14645 S1/General Interest 20-Mar-92 13:42:48 Sb: #Hitachi 6309 Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 To: all All of the 'hidden features' of the Hitachi 6309 that we've tested seem to work as per the Usenet posting. Has everyone else come up with the same results? We doubt that Hitachi would go to the trouble of removing these features from future production runs and that it is probably fairly safe to use these features in a program that is always guaranteed to run on a 6309. Comments? Thoughts? -J There is 1 Reply. #: 14649 S1/General Interest 21-Mar-92 00:39:01 Sb: #14645-Hitachi 6309 Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 I only tested a few, but they all seemed to work fine. I hear that Kent Meyers has a 6309 now, so I'd bet that he's working on L-II modifications, btw. kev #: 14702 S1/General Interest 27-Mar-92 12:34:09 Sb: CD-I/OS-9 Job Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: all [edited from usenet] Position available: Compact Disc Interactive (CD-I) Title Engineer. Immediate opening for a creative engineer with a desire to work on a consumer oriented multimedia platform. Minimal qualifications: 3+ years experience in C Knowledge of UNIX Good communications skills Desirable qualifications: CD-I experience Knowledge of OS-9 Microcomputer experience 68000 assembly Interactive graphics/animation Digital audio Responsibilities include: Software development of CD-I titles Participate in creation of new title concepts Develop authoring tools for the CD-I environment No phone calls Resumes (ascii only please) salary history and requirements via email to: >INTERNET:resume@capitol.com Or: Mark Thomas, Capitol Disc Interactive 2121 Wisconsin Ave. NW, Washington, DC 20007 #: 14752 S1/General Interest 01-Apr-92 21:20:55 Sb: #New AR Developments Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Wayne Day Wayne, Have you heard anything on the status of the new AR program that's being worked on by Carl K.? Just curious. There's a lot of guys over here in Dallas that are very much interested in the development of the new AR. In fact, they'd like to pass along suggested features, if possible. Lee There is 1 Reply. #: 14763 S1/General Interest 02-Apr-92 22:24:27 Sb: #14752-#New AR Developments Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) I'm not Wayne, but I do know the answer ;) I am waiting for the last of the infamous ar hackers to send me their changes to I can evaluate them for inclusion in the next version. You can feel free to email me your wish list and I promise it will get consideration too. Carl There are 2 Replies. #: 14776 S1/General Interest 03-Apr-92 11:30:30 Sb: #14763-New AR Developments Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X) Thank you, Carl. That's what I wanted to hear. I'll make every effort to get our wish list to you in a timely and appropriate manner. Thanks again, Lee #: 14818 S1/General Interest 06-Apr-92 16:46:13 Sb: #14763-New AR Developments Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 From: Daniel Haucke (through Lee Veal, CIS #74726,1752) To: Carl Krieder Subject: Upgrade/enhancement suggestions for AR 1.2 o Improved compression reflecting as good or better compression than the unsanctioned versions of AR. o Various compression formats to fit the various types of files available. (e.g. one format compresses text very wfll, where another compresses binaries pretty well.) o A MOUSE DRIVEN INTERFACE that we may use since the file exten- sion is only (.ar) two letters instead of three. (i.e. we can not use Multi-Vue.) o ASCII processing for files to be displayed to STDOUT via the -p option. This is to say that AR should filter out control characters and binary (mask high-order bit) data while send- ing the text out. If that option does not appeal to you, the parhaps an option for this while printing would me more appropriate such as "ar -pp [archive.ar] " ? o When files are compressed using AR 1.2, sometimes the result is actually LARGER than the original file. At times like that, it would make sense that some kind of compression logic be added to the program to test the last compression to see if the result is larger that the original file and if so, simply do not compress (store as-is) or use another compression method. ----------------------------- Lee #: 14849 S1/General Interest 07-Apr-92 21:52:47 Sb: Mac and OSK Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 To: all I've just uploaded to section 15 a announcment and review of OSK for the Mac. Check it out. The filename is 'MAC.OSK' Frank Hogg -- FHL #: 14865 S1/General Interest 08-Apr-92 21:38:18 Sb: #14818-#New AR Developments Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) Duly noted. How much of a speed hit are folks willing to absorb for new features in ar? Reason being that better compression might require keeping tables on disk, thus slowing ar by a factor of 10 or more. There are 2 Replies. #: 14888 S1/General Interest 09-Apr-92 07:56:19 Sb: #14865-New AR Developments Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 I'll check... Lee #: 14914 S1/General Interest 11-Apr-92 01:31:34 Sb: #14865-New AR Developments Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 re Ar improvements: on the other hand the latest version of lharc seems to have most the requested improvements. But it is painfully slow, proving that you don't get nothing for nothing! #: 14960 S1/General Interest 12-Apr-92 22:37:28 Sb: #Namesake Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Kevin, Once in a while I watch a British comedy called Black Adder on one of the local (uhhh, well, as local as a station in another country can be) PBS stations. It is a rather off-the-wall series and one of the secondary characters is a Captain Kevin Darling. Any relation? Ian There is 1 Reply. #: 14963 S1/General Interest 13-Apr-92 02:30:54 Sb: #14960-Namesake Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X) GRIN. No, but once when I was in a television show forum, someone sent me a message saying how much they loved Black Adder... and how "clever" I was to use "Kevin Darling" as my "forum handle". I look more like Black Adder than the good Captain, anyway :-) cheers - kev #: 14961 S1/General Interest 12-Apr-92 22:38:17 Sb: #14914-New AR Developments Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Exactly. I strongly suspect that at this point it is best to leave ar doing what ar does best. If you want better compression, compress (or lharc) the ar file. #: 14974 S1/General Interest 14-Apr-92 12:23:31 Sb: #14865-New AR Developments Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X) Carl, Here are some responses to your recent query about new AR speed. Lee ============================================================================= From: David Wordell Rec'd To: Lee Veal Msg #73, 09-Apr-92 01:22pm Subject: Re: New AR developments... (From Carl Krieder on CIS) > How much of a speed hit are folks willing to absorb for > new features in AR? Reason being that better compression > might require keeping tables on disk, thus slowing AR > by a factor of 10 or more. Lee, It would depend on whether the new method added so much time searching through tables that it made the actual total process of downloading, then extracting, longer. If it did then I would go for the old method, or at least up to the features in version 1.5. We are fortunate in that we do not see the memory hogging file sizes seen in MS-DOS so I think we should be concerned with ease of use. David ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Hauck Rec'd To: Lee Veal Msg #7 , 09-Apr-92 05:07pm Subject: Re: New AR developments... I would be willing to take a really big hit, but using "data modules" I don't see where it would be necessary. But then again, I have never used data modules. At any rate, I would be willing to take a hit in speed, but I guess I don't want it to take two hours on the average file either. dan... #: 15023 S1/General Interest 19-Apr-92 22:23:47 Sb: SC-II, HDisk for sale Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: ALL For Sale: Disto Super Controller II, $70 including shipping. Disto HDisk board, $40 including shipping. Both for $90. SCSI cable (50 pin female on both ends, approx. 3.5 feet long), $8 or $5 with SC-II and HDisk, including shipping. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) #: 15043 S1/General Interest 23-Apr-92 06:54:01 Sb: #Lonnie editorial Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: All Hmmm .... There's quite a discussion going on (and on) about Lonnie Falk's recent editorial in the Rainbow .... or so goes the messages on the CoCo List. As I no longer subscribe .... and I can no longer purchase a copy at my local store, could some kind soul shoot me a copy via USMAIL? Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 15044 S1/General Interest 23-Apr-92 07:46:10 Sb: #15043-#Lonnie editorial Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Hmmm... wonder if anyone would like to summarize it here, too? Wayne There is 1 Reply. #: 15045 S1/General Interest 23-Apr-92 17:07:30 Sb: #15044-#Lonnie editorial Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: Wayne Day 76703,376 Wayne - It's now in your hands, pointed toward dl14. I happen to agree with Lonnie's editorial and said some of the same things to colleagues in the past. This forum and the CoCo forum are not as busy as they once were for at least two reasons. The CoCo has matured and it is no longer as much of a mystery in trying to get OS9 to work or to word process or communicate. But there has also been much attention focussed on the new development and that has sapped the strength of some of our favorite Gurus so that new things for OS9 (where is that new upgrade, anyway?) have been somewhat comatose. To paraphrase Lonnie's editorial, if you're looking for power computing (like the PC486 with Windows, DOS 5 and the works), there seems little likelihood that comparable software for the 68000 CoCo-like machines will be developed (the market demand just isn't there), so if power is your need, look to the PC486 line. If your needs are like many of us (me for example), a good word processor, communicator, MIDI music player, effective multiprocessing, but you have time to smell the roses while the disk spins, stick with the good old 6809 CoCo. Maybe some of our favorite Gurus would even have time to finish up or somehow make that new OS9 upgrade available and bump up the forum action for a while. Regards to all - Ches. There are 2 Replies. #: 15049 S1/General Interest 23-Apr-92 20:56:47 Sb: #15045-#Lonnie editorial Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X) Ches, Part of what Lonnie said, that being suggesting users go to Intel based computers etc I have no problem with. It is a valid decision for some people as is going to the Mac, Amiga etc etc. In Lonnies case he said NOT to buy any of the OSK machines but to buy an Intel machine. This gets a bit strong but then the real truth comes out at the end when he says to buy a Tandy machine and get a subscription to PCM, his Intel rag. Sooo it turns out the real truth of his 'editorial' is to get you guys to subscribe to PCM! It is a pity that he felt it necessary to throw stones at those of us working with OSK just because he can't make any money on it. Were it not for his transparent attempt to get your money I would have no problem with what otherwise could have been an honest opinion. Of course if you were going to go the Intel route the Tandy machines are not at the top of that list and as far as mags go, PCM doesn't hold a candle to mags like PC WORLD and other far far better mags. (In my opinion that is.) When I first heard of his writing I felt sad. Sad that he chose this way to leave the CoCo and OS9 guys... with a very bad taste in our mouths about a guy whom we all helped make him what he is today. It was the CoCo that built the 'Falsoft building' and started him in the publishing business. It is very sad that when it came time for him to leave us he chose to spit on all of us on his way out the door. So ends an era, and a bitter man, who once helped so many of us, leaves us this very sad way. A pity... Frank There are 2 Replies. #: 15052 S1/General Interest 24-Apr-92 04:17:09 Sb: #15049-#Lonnie editorial Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 (X) Frank, I can understand your irritation, but I do think Lonnie has some valid points. He doesn't appear to be leaving "the CoCo and OS9 guys" as much as the CoCoIV and the OSK guys. While Tandy may not sell the least expensive Intel machines, I think their overall value is at or near the top when you include the security blanket of service as near as the nearest Shack. But then, your comments, mine and Lonnies, are reflective of our individual opinions, and isn't it good that we have ways to share, and, perhaps, persuade others of the matters we believe in? Regards, Ches. There is 1 Reply. #: 15058 S1/General Interest 24-Apr-92 21:20:51 Sb: #15052-#Lonnie editorial Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X) Ches, Again, it wasn't that he didn't have valid points etc. The editioral, in my opinion is a transparent attempt to sell subscriptions to PCM at the expense of OS9/OSK vendors like me. We paid him a considerable amount of avertising bucks to promote our stuff. He seemed to forget those of us who where he is today, just to sell a few subscriptions. I'm more sad than irritated. In the long run his actions have undone what thousands of dollars in advertising were spent to do. Hmmm... Maybe I can get a refund?? :) Frank Hogg There is 1 Reply. #: 15072 S1/General Interest 25-Apr-92 21:22:45 Sb: #15058-Lonnie editorial Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 (X) Guess Lonnie figures he'll make more $$ if everyone switches to MS-DOS machines. But I bet he's wrong there--he's in a real tough market in the MS-DOS world and I'm note sure how well PCM is going to do. But I really think his editorial has done the community an injustice. Let's face it, most folks moving to OSK know what he's said. They also know that being in the mainstream ain't always the most fun. #: 15075 S1/General Interest 26-Apr-92 04:51:15 Sb: #15049-Lonnie editorial Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715 To: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 (X) I agree. I was dismayed by the editorial (spelling?) from a profitable stand point the new machines have not made an impact yet to show enough support. However we are talking about new machines being developed and in an early stage. I myself having trouble obtaining an MM/1 is a problem to me and other people but there is the TC70 and the PK systeGU"+&>*.. Hmm some line noise! eeek! ok anyway now that things settled. thos machines do exist and work IS progressing. its a slow going thing due to many factors However at the worst case Ill stick to my CoCo3. I can't imagine leaving OS9 and all it does for a MS-DOS machine. I think his column was stated too early. it will do nothing but shake support and confidence in the market Mike #: 15061 S1/General Interest 24-Apr-92 22:25:46 Sb: #15045-#Lonnie editorial Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X) Ches, Thanks for the taking the time to post Lonnie's editorial. I've also posted the recent CoCo List archive that contains some of the messages that piqued my interest. You might want to take a peek at LS0422.AR in LIB 14. Steve There are 2 Replies. #: 15066 S1/General Interest 25-Apr-92 10:17:28 Sb: #15061-Lonnie editorial Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Thanks, Steve, I'm on my way to look. Ches. #: 15069 S1/General Interest 25-Apr-92 18:09:07 Sb: #15061-Lonnie editorial Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) I did a quick scan of LS0422 and was surprised at the number of folks that thought Lonnie was abandoning CoCo and OS9 when his editorial stresses his continued interest in CoCo3 and down (presumably including OS9). His words seem to me to be addressed to the small liklihood in today's environment of seeing much OSK/CoCo4 software development. I noticed at least one other reader in the LS0422 noting that difference, but most of the readers seemed to be making an incorrect interpretation. Regards, Ches. #: 15068 S1/General Interest 25-Apr-92 18:04:56 Sb: #Help. New to OSK Fm: Daniel Cyran 73750,1020 To: all Hi. I'm new to the OSK operating system -I picked up a surplus computer packaged for the Behring Co. that has a 68010 with 4 megs RAM, hard disk, 3.5 floppy, and about 9" mono. It uses the OS9/68000 operating system, and frankly, I dont know it! Can anyone recommend a few books or references for the system. Other advice is also desired. ....Thanks Dan There is 1 Reply. #: 15074 S1/General Interest 26-Apr-92 03:52:27 Sb: #15068-Help. New to OSK Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 To: Daniel Cyran 73750,1020 Wow, Surplus '010. Any more left?? OSK is a Multi-tasking/user opsys developed around the 60xxx cpu. It was originaly called OS9, developed around the 6809. Did you get any manuals??. Thre are really no books available other than the system nanuals? #: 15923 S1/General Interest 16-Jul-92 00:34:11 Sb: New CoCo sale list Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: ALL Now available to CIS users, pending sysop approval, is the new version 4.0 of my frequently updated list of CoCo software and hardware for sale. New to this version include a new listing, a little reorganization and fine tuning, and 16 price reductions ranging from 17 to 40 percent. All recent sales are reflected in this new list. OS-9 programs are going fast so make your inquiries soon to avoid disappointment. Volume discounts are still available when you order four or more items from the list. And as always, all prices include insured shipping within the continental U.S. This descriptive list is available in the Color Computer Forum (GO COCO) in Library 14 as CC3ITM.LST. Be sure you are downloading the new version 4.0. #: 15942 S1/General Interest 18-Jul-92 17:37:00 Sb: #OS-9000 anyone? Fm: Timothy J. Martin 71541,3611 To: all Just wondering (once again) whether there are any OS-9000 users that use the OS9 forum here. Is there any interest in an OS-9000 library category? There is 1 Reply. #: 15956 S1/General Interest 20-Jul-92 12:06:36 Sb: #15942-OS-9000 anyone? Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Timothy J. Martin 71541,3611 (X) Not yet, but the Information Center supervisor has indicated that a 486 will soon be place in my office. (Across the room from my CoCo3/OS9 system, so that my CoCo3 can keep a wary eye on the new kid on the block.) I told the Info Center supervisor, that I'd probably be putting OS-9000 on the soon to be installed 486. He said that would be fine as long as I kept the door to my office closed. That way no one would be able to see what I was doing with my new computer. Also, it would keep the jealousy of other PC "single-tasking" users at a minimum. If OS-9000 can break into the personal market, then there might be a lot of interest. However, I'm not real sure Microware wants into the personal computing market. Lee #: 15984 S1/General Interest 22-Jul-92 21:18:13 Sb: #messages Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: All Just curious, when I logged on, I saw that the OS9 forum had 13 new messages. However, when I actually got into the message area, there was only one new message. I have all areas selected. Are there hidden messages somewhere? Hugo Should I read things backwards? :-) There is 1 Reply. #: 15985 S1/General Interest 22-Jul-92 21:47:00 Sb: #15984-messages Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X) Hugo, We do have a couple of limited-access sections, but they don't appear to be the cause of your missing-message problem. Don't exactly know what the problem might be, though. Wayne sysop #: 16005 S1/General Interest 25-Jul-92 10:48:57 Sb: #missing messages Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: Bob Santy 76417,714 (X) Bob: I, too, realize that there are some missing messages in my new message read, for the past few days (or maybe this whole week ??) Wed. or Thurs., I called, and there were about 15 new messages reported to me...yet, on reading the new messages, I only got 2 or 3. Today, the system reported to me 10 new messages, and only 3 scrolled past me. Don't know what's going on....but you're not alone.... jim There is 1 Reply. #: 16006 S1/General Interest 25-Jul-92 11:57:06 Sb: #16005-missing messages Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X) Not to worry... you're not missing anything or going crazy :-) A couple of the sysops have been messing around in a test section, and that's using up the message numbers. Once in a while, I know I also post a message but it gets garbled, so I delete it and repost it... which also uses up numbers. In any case, there's just been a lot more of all the above lately, and that's why you're seeing the higher numbers without seeing the messages as well. cheers - kev #: 16018 S1/General Interest 25-Jul-92 19:39:25 Sb: auto-server Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) Bill....an auto-downloader and reader of CI$ messages for the forum(s) that I dictate will be fantastic!! Lokk forward to this fall when you release such a program for 68K.... jim #: 16024 S1/General Interest 26-Jul-92 01:08:31 Sb: #Upload Fm: Curtis boyle 71310,1271 To: 76703,376 (X) I think I screwed up the last time I tried to upload CCUNZIP.AR by using a 12 bit version of AR. I have re-uploaded it in 11 bit format... I hope this is the proper way to go. If you could leave me a small EMAIL message to indicate whether it got through this time, it would be greatly appreciated. There is 1 Reply. #: 16025 S1/General Interest 26-Jul-92 01:30:47 Sb: #16024-Upload Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: Curtis boyle 71310,1271 Looks like it made it just fine, Curtis, and should be enabled in the library as you read this. Wayne #: 16222 S1/General Interest 15-Aug-92 11:12:49 Sb: #Moving to Denver Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: All Well, 10 years in California has been enough for us, so we're moving! We picked out a wonderful house in Denver a few months ago, and then set about getting jobs to make it happen. I just got word this week that I have to be on site at a customer's facility Monday morning (8/17/92) - whew! I'll probably be out there for several weeks before we can close on the house, so the family will be stuck here until that happens. I'll fly back then, and we'll physically move to Colodo. I'll make every attempt toget online everyday, but with the situation being what it is, it may be sticky for a bit (i.e. I won't have a machine or modem etc. that's definitely got an oustide line [yet!]). Marsha's still recovering from recent stomach surgery, so she wouldn't have been able to come along initially anyway. I thought it would make an interesting footnote to include that one of the two jobs it all boiled down to in Denver ended up being an embedded os9 project. Take care all - with luck I'll 'see' you all withing a few days! Pete Lyall There are 2 Replies. #: 16225 S1/General Interest 15-Aug-92 17:48:49 Sb: #16222-#Moving to Denver Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Hey Pete - where did you end up working? There was a recent ad on the internet for an os9 programmer in Denver. I'd love to move to Denver myself, since my folks have a second home in Colorado Springs, and I know most of Colorado pretty well... and the people are extra friendly. Tell us all about your job! And congrats! kev There is 1 Reply. #: 16233 S1/General Interest 16-Aug-92 10:46:24 Sb: #16225-Moving to Denver Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) I'll tell you a bit more in email. Pete #: 16228 S1/General Interest 15-Aug-92 23:37:45 Sb: #16222-#Moving to Denver Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Woopee! Glad you got the OS-9 job. You didn't mention Marsha going in for surgery. Naughty, Naughty. Tell her Kim says "Hi, hope you get back on your feet soon". We had a great time out here with both of you. Maybe you can make it 'out West' again soon. - Mike - PS. Just can't get away from OS-9 can ya. There is 1 Reply. #: 16234 S1/General Interest 16-Aug-92 10:54:03 Sb: #16228-Moving to Denver Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X) Mike - Actually, the os9 job's calendar and mine didn't work out, although he asked me to call him when I got to town. I need to keep a second path open being as this is consulting work (!).... Yup - Marsha got a bunch of herniated muscle tissue removed (left over from when Heath was born). Non-technical term: tummy tuck. I don't know why they make it sound so inoffensive - it was a big, painful ordeal for her (actually still is). We also enjoyed the evening in Las Vegas. As you know, the slots were cruel to Marsha (this time), but I did alright. Next time, it's back to the Stardust for us. It's soo much nicer there. Pete P.S. Keep steaming.... #: 16236 S1/General Interest 16-Aug-92 13:14:45 Sb: #Falcon Fm: John Eng 72520,520 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Kevin, Good seeing you and Marsha in Chicago! Are you guys plan on going to Atlanta, don't know yet if I'll be going or if anyone else from here will be, like Gerry or Bruce. Speaking of Bruce, did you know he got married in Hawaii a couple of weeks ago? What do you think of Atari's new machine, "Falcon", and it's new operating system, "Multitos", based on Eric Smith's MiNT, also Sam Tramiel says that he or someone at Atari stays in regular contact with Microware and that OS9 should work on the "Falcon" ? John Eng There is 1 Reply. #: 16241 S1/General Interest 17-Aug-92 03:21:02 Sb: #16236-Falcon Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: John Eng 72520,520 (X) Hi John! Yep, we'll be at Atlanta as far as I know. Even thinking about getting a booth... at $35 apiece, heck I could use it to sell off my old gear :-) Gerry told me about Bruce getting married to his, what? high school sweetheart? I'm jealous that he could manage to elope in Hawaii, too. Yes, I saw that Atari Falcon conference transcript. Pretty interesting. For lurkers, Atari says they'll be bringing out a new machine, supposedly reaching the US in late October (if you know Atari, that means Christmas at the earliest :-) The main features are: 16MHz 68030, optional FPU, 1,4 or 14 MB of RAM, Motorola 56001 DSP chip, SVGA-ish+ graphics, stereo sound input and output, MIDI, SCSI, etc. Price to be announced in a few days. The interesting portion of the transcript was: Q: Will there be a port of Microware's OS-9 Operating system for the Falcon030? Sam: We're in regular contact with Microware, and OS/9 works for the most part just fine under the Atari Falcon030. Big question: what will a version of OS-9 cost, and who will sell it? #: 16331 S1/General Interest 29-Aug-92 09:16:07 Sb: #Atlanta CoCofest? Fm: Ken St.Clair 71615,267 To: All Are they having a CoCofest in Atlanta this year? If so, can anyone tell me where I can get more info about it. Thanks in advance! Ken There is 1 Reply. #: 16336 S1/General Interest 29-Aug-92 16:25:30 Sb: #16331-Atlanta CoCofest? Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Ken St.Clair 71615,267 (X) Yes, I believe it's October 3-4, at the same Atlanta/Northlake Holiday Inn. Ticket price is only $5 for the whole show. Instead of having fancy expensive booths, they've decided to offer minimal trappings: a table with electricity and a chair are $25 each. $1 more per extra chair. Heck, at that price, they should just charge $30 for entry and give *everyone* who comes a booth! Then we could all sit and wave at each other The hotel number is 1-800-338-9889, mention COCOFEST to get rates of ~$54 per night, king or twin doubles. People wanting a booth are supposed to send a note about their desires and include payment (but not for tickets) to: Atlanta Computer Society, Inc. P.O. Box 80694 Atlanta , GA 30366 #: 16413 S1/General Interest 10-Sep-92 15:14:48 Sb: #Virus Warning/Update Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: All Computer Virus Update We must always be alert for the latest computer viruses. Here are some recently discovered strains and mutations. - George Bush Virus: Does not do anything, but you can't get rid of it until November. - Ted Kennedy Virus: Crashes your computer but denies it ever happened. - Anita Hill Virus: Lies dormant for ten years, then has no impact on your system despite its importance. - Warren Commission Virus: Does not let you open your files for 75 years. - Jerry Brown Virus: Blanks your screen and begins flashing an 800 number. - David Duke Virus: Makes your screen go completely white. - Congress Virus: Overdraws your disk space. - Pat Buchanan Virus: Shifts all output to the exrteme right of the screen. - Paul Tsonga Virus: Pops up on December 25th and says, "I'm not Santa Claus." - Mario Cuomo Virus: Has difficulty deciding what to do to your system. - Dan Quayle Virus: Forces your computer to play golf games from 10 AM to 4 PM six days a week. - Bill Clinton Virus: This virus mutates from region to region throughout the country. - Richard Nixon Virus: Blanks your screen for 18-1/2 minutes. Although you can eliminate this v rus, it always makes a comeback. - H. Ross Perot Virus: Appears ready to make significant changes to your system but then goes away without leaving a trace. From "AppleWorks Forum", September 1992, page 28. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is 1 Reply. #: 16414 S1/General Interest 10-Sep-92 18:52:17 Sb: #16413-#Virus Warning/Update Fm: Dan Robins 70007,3264 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 Lee, Your message reminds me of the "Ross Perot Pizza"..... Made out of a lot of dough.....and two kinds of meat....balony and chicken. And the company that makes them...DOESN'T DELIVER! Dan There is 1 Reply. #: 16425 S1/General Interest 12-Sep-92 09:58:04 Sb: #16414-Virus Warning/Update Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Dan Robins 70007,3264 Dan - Ooooooo..! I thought it was that new SOFTWARE product: DOS PEROT. When you start it up, it puts a message on the screen indicating that it's _thinking_ about running, then it scans the system for any competing products. If it finds any, of course it aborts! (had to do that....) Pete #: 16437 S1/General Interest 14-Sep-92 07:20:27 Sb: #16425-Virus Warning/Update Fm: Dan Robins 70007,3264 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, I like that. Thanks! Dan #: 16438 S1/General Interest 14-Sep-92 09:40:30 Sb: #16414-#Virus Warning/Update Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Dan Robins 70007,3264 (X) The Dan Quayle Virus has a new mutation... It now will invade your system and disable all spell checker software!!!! LV There is 1 Reply. #: 16469 S1/General Interest 18-Sep-92 02:18:52 Sb: #16438-Virus Warning/Update Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) new version to DOS PEROT The moment you think the software is through running, it considers running again! #: 16480 S1/General Interest 19-Sep-92 11:20:19 Sb: Atlanta CocoFest! Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 To: All ***** ANNOUNCING ***** Show Hours: Sat. Oct. 3,1992 10:00 AM - 5:00 PM The Third Annual Sun. Oct. 4,1992 10:00 AM - 3:00 PM Atlanta CoCofest Vendor Setup: At the Fri. Oct. 2,1992 6:00 PM - 11:00 PM Northlake Holiday Inn Sat. Oct. 3,1992 8:30 AM - 9:45 AM LaVista Road Atlanta, Ga. Admission: $5.00 (Whole Show) October 3 & 4 1992 Motel Reservations: Make directly with the Northlake Y'all Come! Holiday Inn. @ 1-(800)465-4329 or GOOBER'S BACK! 1-(404)938-1026 Request CoCofest rates! Questions can be left on the Atlanta Computer Society BBS at 404-636-2991. Some vendor tables are still available for $25, (does not include admission). Press !> #: 16636 S1/General Interest 09-Oct-92 00:15:11 Sb: Hi Mike Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X) Mike, You took me by suprise, I had no idea on how to answer you. Then when I finally figured out how, you were gone. That is a bummer, about that drive. One of those good news-bad news things. Ya, I don't know about anyone else but I had a good time at the fest, and I was glad I got to meet you. The only problem was there wasn't enough hours in those 2 days. While I have you here, where can I find some info on those IFF sound files. I can't find any description on how those files are setup. Larry #: 16688 S1/General Interest 14-Oct-92 19:45:22 Sb: #PKW Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: All Has Paul Ward dropped from CIS? I was looking for his number in the member directory, and CIS says no such user. Hugo There is 1 Reply. #: 16689 S1/General Interest 14-Oct-92 22:01:05 Sb: #16688-PKW Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X) Hugo, It's been a couple of weeks, but Paul still drops by regularly. His ID is [73477,2004]. Steve #: 16710 S1/General Interest 16-Oct-92 22:25:07 Sb: KiX\30 Ships! Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 To: all KiX\30 Update 10/16/92 FLASH! The first KiX\30 production board was shipped today! One day, just ONE day behind schedule! We are now in full production with orders being filled within 2-3 weeks. The EK-4S2P is now in production with first shipment expected within a week. In other news... The original specs called for all SIMMs to be the same type. Both banks had to be the same. This is no longer true. You can now mix memory types. For example you could have 4 one meg SIMMs and 4 four meg SIMMs. In addition you can now use 512K and 2 Meg SIMMs. It is even possible to mix SIMMs within a block. The block will then take on the size of the smallest SIMM. If you have 2 one meg SIMMs and 2 four meg SIMMs you will have 4 meg total. See the full descriptions of the KiX\30 in the databases 'DL15'. Thank You Frank Hogg -- FHL #: 16722 S1/General Interest 21-Oct-92 00:32:58 Sb: #L2 Max Mem? Sector Size? Fm: Neil Morrison 72777,3013 To: All 1) How hard is it to increase the max memory for OS9, L2? I know it can go past 512K but is it hard coded to 2 Mb max, or can it be taken past this? 2) Can the RBF system be modified to use 512 byte blocks/sectors, or is the 256 value too deeply embedded? There is 1 Reply. #: 16723 S1/General Interest 21-Oct-92 00:40:49 Sb: #16722-#L2 Max Mem? Sector Size? Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Neil Morrison 72777,3013 (X) Neil, L-II only has space set aside for keeping track of 2MB of RAM, but y'know, it could probably be very easily changed to go to any size by moving that table to a larger space. Have to look, tho. RBF, on the other hand, would be harder to change. So driver writers simply have the hard disk driver (de)block 512 byte sectors into 256 byte chunks. There is 1 Reply. #: 16727 S1/General Interest 21-Oct-92 23:40:36 Sb: #16723-L2 Max Mem? Sector Size? Fm: Neil Morrison 72777,3013 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Thanks - I am under the delusion that I am going to design my own 'Coco4' - (I think I have lots of company - perpetual motion?) I'm thinking of a separate 6809 system running L2 with the Coco3 plugged in to handle keyboard & screen. Was wondering whether 2 1Mb simms or 1 4Mb was the way to go. BTW, I can get a PC board locally which has connectors for 2 IDE HDrives, 2 floppies, 2 serial & 1 parallel & 1 game port. Costs $21 !!! so you can guess what I'm thinking. If you find out about 4Mb I'd be interested - Microware's docs imply a 2Mb hard coded limit. #: 16736 S1/General Interest 22-Oct-92 22:01:09 Sb: #16636-#Hi Mike Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X) Sorry it took so long to reply. I forgot about your note. Best bet is to check over on the Amiga sig's for sound data information. It's not that hard to figure out once your familiar with the IFF standard. Did you get the latest CGFX.L I was giving away at the fest? It has all the sound Chunks defined in it. (I'm pretty sure) Let me know if I/we can help you out on any specifics. - Mike - There is 1 Reply. #: 16799 S1/General Interest 28-Oct-92 00:33:38 Sb: #16736-Hi Mike Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X) Mike, I tried looking around over there browsing for IFF, but couldn't find any file on the specifications. I got the new CGFX.L at the fest, didn't think to look at the header for the sound stuff, I only looked at the new stuff added for rev. 4. I'll go through and check. larry #: 16746 S1/General Interest 23-Oct-92 19:53:32 Sb: #IMS Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: All I don't know..... I sent away for info on the MM1 about 3 weeks ago. Haven't received anything yet. IMS has little presence, I just don't see how they sell anything. Hugo There is 1 Reply. #: 16757 S1/General Interest 24-Oct-92 10:19:01 Sb: #16746-#IMS Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X) Hugo, Paul continues to drop by ... but it's not as frequently as I'd like to see... or as he would like to, I'm sure. When yous sent for information ... was it directly from IMS or through the dealer network? In speaking with Paul last week he mentioned that he's attempting to move alot the customer contact to the dealer net to improve response. *- Steve -* There is 1 Reply. #: 16769 S1/General Interest 24-Oct-92 19:39:02 Sb: #16757-IMS Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) I sent for info to the Washginton office. I suppose that's IMS's main office. Potential customers need better attention. If dealers are the way to do it, then do it (as Ross Perot says) IMS appears to have a good product at a good price, but they have to realize there'S competition out there. The Falcon030 looks mighty tasty, and so does the Kix30 (although they cost more). Hugo #: 16926 S1/General Interest 04-Nov-92 18:52:30 Sb: Hard drive Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: ALL I was wondering if someone could help me. I have a hard drive that I dont know how to set the settings. It's a Rodime 22MB 5.25 FH ST506/412 MFM. It has 640 cyls 4 hds and in dos it has 17 sec/trk. I dont know what to set the inittbl number to and when I get it to take a format from hdformat, it goes through the format sequence and then asks if I want a physical verify. I answer yes and then it starts to show the sector list on the screen. After a while when it gets to about 47F, it starts to pop error 241s. After this if I try to do a dir, it gives me a 214. All help would be appreciated. #: 16950 S1/General Interest 06-Nov-92 19:05:51 Sb: #Dmode Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Kevin Darling Sysop (X) Hi Kev--Do you know what the seetings in dmode mean and how to set them? I would sure like some help! There is 1 Reply. #: 16952 S1/General Interest 06-Nov-92 21:29:15 Sb: #16950-#Dmode Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X) Phil - Which machine? On some, the dmode settings get complex. On others, you can't really change many. For example, on the CoCo about the only things I dmode are the ramdisk allocation size and sometimes the type (so that I can read ST disks on my SC-II controller). If you do a "dmode -?", most will show some details to help you out. Anything in particular that you're wanting to do? kev There is 1 Reply. #: 16956 S1/General Interest 07-Nov-92 07:07:07 Sb: #16952-Dmode Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 Hi Kev--I'm trying to get a 22meg mfm drive working. I have a 10 meg in operation using a Disto interface. I cant figure out what the settings should be. The sec/trk on the 22 are 17(dos) the cyls are 640. I also know that the inittbl setting in dmode affects it but I dont know what the numbers mean. Press !> #: 16979 S1/General Interest 08-Nov-92 00:14:35 Sb: #16956-Dmode Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X) Yikes :-) It's been so long since I formatted my hard disk, that I can only vaguely remember the details. Do you have Disto manuals? First things first: what kind of controller board are you using? A SASI one with two hard drive connectors? Or are both drives embedded SCSI? It'll make a difference. If it's a separate controller board, then I believe that the default Disto descriptors are for 20Meg drives. You can check them to see. The main thing is that you'll be using 256-byte sectors instead of 512-byte sectors (eg: IBM style), so the sectors per track would be about twice the IBM style, or 32 sectors/track. Hmm. I don't have the Disto dmode around, so I can't recall if it took hex or decimal. Post the output of a dmode of your current hard drive and we can figure it all out. The init command and table, btw, usually contains something like this in hex: 0C -- sasi init command 0280 -- 640 cylinders 08 -- ?? number of heads 0280 -- reduced write current cylinder 0280 -- precomp cylinder 0B -- max error correction data length The drive number needs to be different for a second drive, of course. Try the Disto H1 descriptor. - kev #: 17011 S1/General Interest 09-Nov-92 22:07:38 Sb: #16926-#Hard drive Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X) Phil - Hmmm... it sounds as if the device descriptor bytes are set improperly. Most HD formatting routines simply issue a FORMAT TRACK 0 to the device driver. This in turn causes the driver to issue a formatting command to the hard disk controller, which handles the physical formatting. When the formatting is 'done', the hard disk driver causes all sectors on all platters to be read back to effect a physical verify. This part IS controlled by the computer, and is where you seem to be getting into trouble. Since os9 uses 256 byte sectors (not usually the 512 byte sectors used by DOS), there's typically more overhead per sector, and you can only get 32 256 byte sectors per track on a traditional MFM disk. Use the DMODE utility to verify that your hard disk descriptor is setup for 640 cyls (or maybe 639), 4 heads, and 32 sectors per track, both on track 0 and the regular tracks. Pete Lyall There is 1 Reply. #: 17016 S1/General Interest 10-Nov-92 06:26:37 Sb: #17011-Hard drive Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Thanks for the reply Pete!! I'll check into it tonight and get back to you. #: 17017 S1/General Interest 10-Nov-92 06:29:14 Sb: Hard drive Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Kevin Darling Sysop (X) Thanks very much for the info Kev--I'll try it along with the message from Pete Lyall tonight and let you know!! #: 17020 S1/General Interest 10-Nov-92 18:53:58 Sb: hard drive Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Hi Kev--I have a wd1002-shd controller--the dmode readings are now cyls=640, hds=4 step=4 sectrk=32 sectrk0=32 alloc=1 ilv=5 initcmd=0c inittbl=028004028 002800b000000000000000000000000. The drive is actually rated at 22meg. After using the info you sent, I set it up as shown and I was able to format for the first time. It then did a physical verify and came back with the statement that the number of good sectors was $0040000. I then tried a dir and got a 214. #: 17021 S1/General Interest 10-Nov-92 18:56:09 Sb: #Hard Drive Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Hi Pete--If you can, will you take a look at the message I sent Kevin. It's #17020. All your input is appreciated! There is 1 Reply. #: 17042 S1/General Interest 12-Nov-92 20:05:20 Sb: #17021-Hard Drive Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 Well - #214 is a permission error. Does rebooting help? Also - is there a H0 or DD descriptor permanently setup with those parameters (cyls, heads, etc.)? Also - try a simple DUMP of H0@. Snag the first couple sectors to a floppy or printer, and we'll have a look at the LSN0 information. Pete #: 17053 S1/General Interest 14-Nov-92 16:34:15 Sb: #os Fm: Fritz G. Schenk 71175,3375 To: all Do you know if there is an implementation of OS/9 for the Intel 80x86 machines?. Do you know of a version of the os which is embedable (rom based)? There is 1 Reply. #: 17054 S1/General Interest 14-Nov-92 16:36:59 Sb: #17053-os Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 To: Fritz G. Schenk 71175,3375 Yes there is a version of os9 for 80X86 machines. It is called OS9000. And I believe it is Romable like os9. Press !>mdir % Invalid command Press !> #: 17064 S1/General Interest 15-Nov-92 18:58:05 Sb: #MicroEmacs Fm: Robert Richmond 70544,262 To: [F] All A friend of mine is looking for the documentation set for MicroEmacs. Can anyone help? There is 1 Reply. #: 17072 S1/General Interest 16-Nov-92 08:56:18 Sb: #17064-MicroEmacs Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Robert Richmond 70544,262 (X) See if UE31K6.AR in Lib 12 is what you need. best - kev #: 17071 S1/General Interest 16-Nov-92 08:28:09 Sb: Help with interface Fm: Greg Wathen 71401,225 To: all Does anyone here have the instructions for connecting an IBM keyboard interface made by Bob Puppo for the COCO3? I seem to have lost them. Greg #: 17077 S1/General Interest 16-Nov-92 20:25:26 Sb: #17054-os Fm: Timothy J. Martin 71541,3611 To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X) Yup, for '386 and above. #: 17091 S1/General Interest 17-Nov-92 14:42:11 Sb: #17053-os Fm: Chris Perrault 75346,165 To: Fritz G. Schenk 71175,3375 Well I see you already got your answers, but if you want more info, type "go microware" and you'll have a ton of it at the first menu. I just discovered that service last night :> See Ya >Chris< #: 17106 S1/General Interest 18-Nov-92 15:21:12 Sb: #Internet access Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: All What's the procedure for getting onto Internet through CI$, or can it even be done at all...??? Lee There are 2 Replies. #: 17108 S1/General Interest 18-Nov-92 17:55:32 Sb: #17106-#Internet access Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) Lee - You can't "get onto Internet", although you can route mail over it to parties that have addresses. Example: to send me mail at US West, address the mail message thusly - >INTERNET:plyall@uswest.com My actual address is 'plyall@uswest.com'... the >INTERNET: alerts the CIS mail router that it's to be sent to the Internet. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 17119 S1/General Interest 19-Nov-92 16:45:23 Sb: #17108-Internet access Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Thanks... Lee #: 17112 S1/General Interest 18-Nov-92 21:25:29 Sb: #17106-#Internet access Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) Lee, Pete's got you sending mail over the Internet ... here's what you need to do to receive mail. Your User Id is the ticket. For you to receive mail via the Internet in you CMAIL box, folks will need to address you as 74726.1752@compuserve.com . Note the dot, rather than the comma ... it's required. You may also want to take a peek at CCLIST.TXT in LIB 1. It details how to receive the CoCo List via CMAIL. Also be aware, Internet mail is billed differently under the BASIC plan. If you plan on doing a lot of traffic this way, the Standard Billing plan may be better suited. Go RATES for more info. Also, inside CompuServe Mail, type HELP INTERNET for some detailed online help. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 17120 S1/General Interest 19-Nov-92 16:45:43 Sb: #17112-Internet access Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Thanks. Lee #: 17137 S1/General Interest 21-Nov-92 13:45:33 Sb: #17106-Internet access Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) Lee, Addendum to all said previously... email allows you lots of access on Internet. There are several ftp (file transfer protocol) sites that respond to email requests, the various internet mailing lists, and such. A good book that explains a lot of what's going on is THE WHOLE INTERNET USER'S GUIDE AND CATALOG by Ed Krol. It goes into a fair amount of detail on what you can do with email. There are a couple of commercial Internet access companies in Dallas that provide customers with a window on the net, too, if you want that info. Wayne #: 17146 S1/General Interest 22-Nov-92 16:38:45 Sb: #17042-#Hard Drive Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) HI PETE--I SMOKED MY COMPUTER SO IT'S TAKEN A WHILE TO GET BACK. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH KEVIN BUT WE COULDN'T QUITE GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT. IF I CAN CONTACT YOU OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE MY NUMBER, LET ME KNOW. I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP. There is 1 Reply. #: 17148 S1/General Interest 22-Nov-92 19:18:28 Sb: #17146-#Hard Drive Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X) Phil - Let's start with a refresher.... what was the problem? Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 17155 S1/General Interest 23-Nov-92 13:59:45 Sb: #17148-#Hard Drive Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Hi Pete--I cant get the hard drive to format properly. I either get a 214 when I try to access it or if I change inittbl I can do a dir and get an empty directory of root which at first seems fine. Then if I copy a file to root, the file name shows when I do a dump but doesn't with a dir. If I do a makdir CMDS, I get a directory called CMDC every time and if Ido a dir of CMDC I get a 214. If I do another makdir CMDS I will now have two CMDC directories. There is 1 Reply. #: 17171 S1/General Interest 25-Nov-92 23:25:43 Sb: #17155-#Hard Drive Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X) Frankly Phil, I haven't got a clue initially. Sounds like it could be: a) Crummy driver b) Flakey interface c) Hardware failure Just for the sake of interest, the difference between the CMDS and CMDC is the last character (or course), where S = 53 hex and C = 43 hex: a 1 bit difference. Also, the last character of the name is supposed to have the HIGH bit set (43 + 80 = C3 or 53 + 80 = D3).. just curious: is the high bit set? Lastly, is the device descriptor INIZed (i.e. iniz /H0) before you start messing with it? Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 17172 S1/General Interest 26-Nov-92 07:10:38 Sb: #17171-#Hard Drive Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Hi Pete--I didnt initialize it explicitly--it just comes up from the boot. BTW could you give me any direction on where to look for help?? There is 1 Reply. #: 17174 S1/General Interest 27-Nov-92 16:10:41 Sb: #17172-#Hard Drive Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X) Phil - Then try adding this to your startup file: iniz /h0 That may help. I had a problem where an Elektra interface wouldn't work properly (old SS50) until I did that. Bruce Isted is sort of an HD guru... give him a yell. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 17175 S1/General Interest 27-Nov-92 16:58:08 Sb: #17174-Hard Drive Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Thanks Pete--I'll try it and give Bruce a call. #: 17177 S1/General Interest 28-Nov-92 03:33:14 Sb: CoCo Stuff 4 Sale Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: All CoCo stuff for sale. Contact me via e-mail, here on the forum, or by phone at 314-278-8888 during the day and 314-583-4692 at night. Item Suggested Price --------------------------------------------------------------- Three Tandy RS-232 packs $25 each (two addressed at $FF68, one modified for $FF6C) CoCo single button rodent $10 CoCo two-button rodent $15 Disto 3-in-1 board for Super Controller II $25 (parallel port, real-time clock, serial port) (includes 8-foot parallel printer cable and (original disk with drivers can also throw in) (blown SC II for anyone who would like a shot) (at getting it going again) Tandy High-Res joystick adapter for CoCo III $2 Disto CoCo III 512k memory upgrade board (0K) $15 IBM Wheelprinter daisy wheel printer with single $100 sheet feeder and pin feed. This is a very good high-class printer. Not very fast, but excellent quality printing. (parallel input) Original BASIC-09 for 6809 (not the one that) $5 (came with Level II - collectors item??) (continued next message) /*------------- /\/\ark -------------*/ #: 17178 S1/General Interest 28-Nov-92 03:33:23 Sb: More Stuff 4 Sale Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: All More stuff for sale: Item Suggested Price ----------------------------------------------------------- OS-9 Profile $5 TS-Word for OS-9 (no docs) $5 PhantomGraph (no docs) $5 Where in the World is Carmen $5 Koronis Rift (can't find docs - may have them) $5 Rogue for CoCo III $5 Flight Simulator II $10 Deskmate 3 $10 OS9 Pascal 2.0 (no docs) $15 Multi-Vue $15 Complete OS-9 Level II for the CoCo III $15 Dynacalc for OS-9 CoCo C compiler and docs Make offer \/\ark -------------*/ #: 17184 S1/General Interest 29-Nov-92 12:47:23 Sb: #Bargain SCSI Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: all On a recent trip to Ft. Worth (check out new grandson), I wandered in to the Tandy Mall and the warehouse outlet and got a 40 meg Quantum SCSI for $149. Seems the 40 and 202 meg SCSI drives for the 3000/4000 computers are being closed out. Back home now, I checked at the local (Saginaw MI) computer center and they had a 40 too. The 40 is $149 and the 202 (if you find one) is $299. The 40 meg drive I found in Ft Worth is now running in my MM/1 -- its fast too. (Good hunting). JohnW There is 1 Reply. #: 17185 S1/General Interest 29-Nov-92 20:26:54 Sb: #17184-Bargain SCSI Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 John, do you happen to have a Tandy number for the 202? #: 17192 S1/General Interest 01-Dec-92 20:22:34 Sb: #17185-Bargain SCSI Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob, only by proc of elimination. The inst manual is for both 40/80 meg drives. It mentions nrs 25-4159 and 25-4160 and 25-4160-A. The 40-meg drive I got is 25-4159 on the sales slip. Maybe the 25-4160-A is the 202(?) I saw the thing on the counter listing at the Tandy Warehouse outlet, but I dont remember the article number for the 202.. wait a min - got a driveer disk too lemme fire up the messydos machine and look for a readme file ----- nope, just a couple ***.sys files. (Sorry - shoulda took notes) JohnW #: 17198 S1/General Interest 02-Dec-92 10:09:03 Sb: #17071-#Help with interface Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Greg Wathen 71401,225 (X) Do you want a copy of it, or do you just need to be told what the connection instructions indicate? I've got the paperwork at home, I can either copy it and send it to you, or I can transcribe what it says about making the hook-ups into a message here on CI$. Your call. Lee There is 1 Reply. #: 17211 S1/General Interest 04-Dec-92 17:26:24 Sb: #17198-#Help with interface Fm: Greg Wathen 71401,225 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) Well, there are only 4 wires, so if you could just enter them here, I would appreciate it. Thanks. Greg There are 2 Replies. #: 17228 S1/General Interest 07-Dec-92 14:15:28 Sb: #17211-#Help with interface Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Greg Wathen 71401,225 (X) I'll do that from home. Tonight, if I remember. Lee There is 1 Reply. #: 17231 S1/General Interest 08-Dec-92 21:04:05 Sb: #17228-Help with interface Fm: Greg Wathen 71401,225 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) Thanks. I'll be waiting. Greg #: 17233 S1/General Interest 09-Dec-92 00:17:16 Sb: #17211-Help with interface Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Greg Wathen 71401,225 Greg, Here it is... Steps 5 - 7 of the Puppo Interface Installation procedure. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5. Connect the black wire with the alligator clip to the nearest ground on the CoCo circuit board. A good place for this is on the spring connector that touches the bottom of the built-in keyboard. 6. Connect the red wire with the alligator clip to the cathode (the side with the band) of D1. This diode can be found on the circuit board near the transformer cage. 7. Connect the white wire with the clip connector to the RESET* line of the 6809 CPU. A good place on the CoCo 3 circuit board is the anode (the side without the band) of D12, which is located in the upper right of the board just below the reset switch. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's it.... Lee #: 17220 S1/General Interest 06-Dec-92 16:48:10 Sb: #KERMIT SOFTWARE Fm: Terry Tirko 72630,3600 To: sysop (X) I would like to obtain a kermit transfer program for OS9. Could you please provide the following info? 1. Is shareware available thru this service 2. Is a charge applied 3. How do I receive the program using a dos machine Thank you There is 1 Reply. #: 17222 S1/General Interest 06-Dec-92 22:57:19 Sb: #17220-KERMIT SOFTWARE Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Terry Tirko 72630,3600 (X) Terry - Sure.. there are kermits available for 6809 and 68000 versions of os9 here - free (well, less connect time). To see them, go to any library (7 is probably best) by typing DL7 [enter]. Then, try BRO/KEY:KERMIT LIB:ALL [enter]. Pete P.S. You can download them the same way you'd take any DOS program #: 17224 S1/General Interest 07-Dec-92 06:29:33 Sb: CoCo Stuff 4 Sale Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: All CoCo stuff for sale. Contact me via e-mail, here on the forum, or by phone at 314-278-8888 during the day and 314-583-4692 at night. Item Suggested Price --------------------------------------------------------------- Three Tandy RS-232 packs $25 each (two addressed at $FF68, one modified for $FF6C) CoCo single button rodent $10 CoCo two-button rodent $15 Disto 3-in-1 board for Super Controller II $25 (parallel port, real-time clock, serial port) (includes 8-foot parallel printer cable and (original disk with drivers can also throw in) (blown SC II for anyone who would like a shot) (at getting it going again) Tandy High-Res joystick adapter for CoCo III $2 Disto CoCo III 512k memory upgrade board (0K) $15 IBM Wheelprinter daisy wheel printer with single $100 sheet feeder and pin feed. This is a very good high-class printer. Not very fast, but excellent quality printing. (parallel input) Original BASIC-09 for 6809 (not the one that) $5 (came with Level II - collectors item??) (continued next message) /*------------- /\/\ark -------------*/ #: 17225 S1/General Interest 07-Dec-92 06:29:43 Sb: More Stuff 4 Sale Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: All More stuff for sale: Item Suggested Price ----------------------------------------------------------- OS-9 Profile $5 TS-Word for OS-9 (no docs) $5 PhantomGraph (no docs) $5 Where in the World is Carmen $5 Koronis Rift (can't find docs - may have them) $5 Rogue for CoCo III $5 Flight Simulator II $10 Deskmate 3 $10 OS9 Pascal 2.0 (no docs) $15 Multi-Vue $15 Complete OS-9 Level II for the CoCo III $15 Dynacalc for OS-9 $15 Original 1.00.00 CoCo C and docs Make offer ------*/ #: 17226 S1/General Interest 07-Dec-92 11:12:37 Sb: OS9 Underground Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: all Important News to former 68xxx Machine Subscribers - Please read & distribute! Due to a contractual disagreement between with the former editor of the 68xxx Machines newsletter and myself (Editor of The OS9 Underground), The OS9 Underground will NO LONGER be covering his former subscriber base with my magazine. This has NO effect whatsoever to current OS9 Underground subscribers. In fact it will in the long run be helpful since I now will not have to shoulder the burden of the extra costs I incurred (over and beyond what The OS9 Magazine received for producing and mailing to the XXX Machine former customers). I dont like doing this, but due to a recent conversation I felt it was the best thing I could do for MY PAID Subscribers. This is not a spur of the moment decision, but one that has been festering in my mind for some time now. Since our agreement was on a month-to-month basis, I am well within my rights to dissolve this agreement. 68XXX Machine Subscribers - Please Read: The only issues of the OS9 Underground paid for by 68xxx for his customers are the JULY and AUGUST issues for 1992. If for some reason you have not received either of these two issues, please contact ME and I will send these out to you. (818) 761-4135 If you wish to receive compensation for your 68xxx Subscription that may be due you, you will need to contact Jim Destafeno (former editor of 68xxx Machines). Jim may be contacted at (302) 492-8511 or write to him at: RR#1 Box 375, Wyoming, DE 19934 68XXX Machine Advertisers - You need not worry, your ads will be run for whatever length of time you contracted with 68xxx Machines for. Any question call me at (818) 761-4135 Special Offer to 68xxx Subscribers: If you wish to continue receiving the OS9 Underground I can offer a years subscription to you at 20% off the regular price. A letter will be sent to you shortly. Sincerely, Alan Sheltra, Editor of the OS9 Underground Magazine #: 17227 S1/General Interest 07-Dec-92 11:13:12 Sb: OS9 Underground Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: all Dear OS9 Underground Subscribers... As you all know, the Sept/Oct Issue has been delayed due to various reasons... these problems have now been solved and this long-awaited issue will be out within a week. Future issue will be back on track as far as turn-around time (again). There is an article in the In July issue(Communications Issue) that needs, I feel, immediate clarification. This is the artcle, The King is Mad, by Paul Pollock to make clear is that Paul Pollocks comments are HIS and his alone and not those of the OS9 Underground. Pauls article was erroneously listed in the table of contents as an editorial (It should have stated, One mans opinion). This error was my fault, and I apologize for this to my readers and advertisers. Especially to Mr. Gresick. -Alan Sheltra (Editor, OS9 Undeground) #: 17242 S1/General Interest 10-Dec-92 19:08:53 Sb: #AR for the non-C types Fm: fred kohlhepp 72300,3553 To: all Help! Is there an AR utility available that doesn't require C language capability? I just spent an hour downloading an ascii file that is C code!! There is 1 Reply. #: 17244 S1/General Interest 11-Dec-92 07:14:32 Sb: #17242-AR for the non-C types Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: fred kohlhepp 72300,3553 Fred, Sorry you nabbed the incorrect file. If you'll take a look at AR09.BIN in library 9 you'll find the executable version of AR ver 1.2. If you're in search of the OSK version, see AR68.BIN in the same library. Sorry for the hassle. Steve #: 17258 S1/General Interest 15-Dec-92 14:30:08 Sb: #17233-Help with interface Fm: Greg Wathen 71401,225 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 Thanks very much. Greg Press !>