#: 8508 S1/General Interest 30-Nov-90 22:19:00 Sb: #I'm Baaaaack! Fm: David L. Kaleita 72657,2775 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Yeah, I've been talking to Hazelwood about some of their new (and upcoming) stuff... pretty neat! More CoCo OS-9 users? Where're they COMING from??? There is 1 Reply. #: 8511 S1/General Interest 30-Nov-90 23:01:40 Sb: #8508-#I'm Baaaaack! Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: David L. Kaleita 72657,2775 (X) Check out Lib 15 for specs on the three main new machines. There are more new L-II users on the nets than I've seen since L-II came out for the CoCo.... I dunno if they all just finally decided to jump on the fun, or what.... but they're showing up all over! Perhaps the emphasis switch in Rainbow magazine helps somewhat (it's gone a lot more OS9ish). The Amiga port is still hiding in Australia, but I betcha this coming year you'll see one done in the US, and become widely available. The Mac port was done last year... I thought you were there at the debut? Good to see you back: cuz 1991 will finally be the year of CD-I ! kev There is 1 Reply. #: 8598 S1/General Interest 04-Dec-90 18:57:49 Sb: #8511-#I'm Baaaaack! Fm: David L. Kaleita 72657,2775 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Oh yeah, I guess I WAS there for the UltraScience MAC debut. I haven't heard much about it since, tho. Do you know anyone who is using it? CD-I? I'll believe it when I see it. (I'll also probably be one of the first on the block to get one... sigh!) There is 1 Reply. #: 8611 S1/General Interest 05-Dec-90 14:23:00 Sb: #8598-#I'm Baaaaack! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: David L. Kaleita 72657,2775 (X) Dave, Well, Kev and I have seen CD-I and its being used for training disks and so on already. The newest industrial machines are now available, better integrated, and cheaper. Call Ray Ashton at American Interactive Media in Washsington for more information. I'm sure he can send you some info (I think the glossies for that came in last week). Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 8615 S1/General Interest 06-Dec-90 01:32:01 Sb: #8611-#I'm Baaaaack! Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Paul - Dave was the biggest and earliest booster of CD-I around... you weren't here then tho, I think (it was almost two years ago). He even got Wayne to make one of the forum sections into the "CD-I" section. So I'm pretty positive that he's seen it long ago. Oh. Except you may have meant the current status of it, instead. Ne'er mind ;-) There is 1 Reply. #: 8672 S1/General Interest 10-Dec-90 20:58:09 Sb: #8615-I'm Baaaaack! Fm: David L. Kaleita 72657,2775 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Hmmm... now that you mention it, what ever HAPPENED to that CD-I section?? #: 8599 S1/General Interest 04-Dec-90 19:00:32 Sb: I'm Baaaaack! Fm: David L. Kaleita 72657,2775 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Yeah, I just remember that I HAD seen the Ultrascience port (see #8598). So what's been happening in the UG? (Please disregard this question if there is no good news). #: 8619 S1/General Interest 06-Dec-90 17:21:44 Sb: 512K UPGRADE Fm: MICHAEL ROSEN 73340,2756 To: KEVIN DARLING THANKS KEVIN & DAN FOR THE HELP, MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE KNOWS WHAT THE CAPS. NUMBERS ARE... HMMM I GUESS I'LL HAVE TO FIND ME SOME CHIPS.. THANKS GUYS... MICHAEL ROSEN 73340,2756 #: 8636 S1/General Interest 08-Dec-90 10:42:21 Sb: Delphi Fm: MICHAEL ROSEN 73340,2756 To: Kevin Darling Kevin, I have just joined DELPHI (MICHAELROSEN) and it may be a good system as soon as i figure it out. I guess i'll get rid of my newest coco 3 and purchase me a color monitor. I downloaded Delphiterm 3.1 and it is a well written program as is mikeyterm.. I guess i'll shut up and sit back a while,I still haven't got telecom to work on my Deskmate. I hope to be hearing from yall on d oh shoot,i pressed the wrong button.. well i'd better go. c-yall, Michael Rosen <73340,2756> #: 8673 S1/General Interest 10-Dec-90 21:37:28 Sb: PCDos to OS9 Fm: tom farrow 72701,543 To: all Help on PcDos Utility I can read disk but I can not (-get) files to go to any other drive is there some majic incantation that I missed? /EXIT #: 8677 S1/General Interest 11-Dec-90 10:43:20 Sb: #900 numbers Fm: International Consulting 71520,460 To: all Has anyone else heard about these 900 numbers? I was on Delphi last night and someone said that there is a 900 number poll line, which is asking people to vote on which operating system is better, CoCo/RS-DOS or OS-9. Of course, we all know the answer to that. The numbers on Delphi were 900 535-4900 extension 796 to vote for OS-9 or ext 794 to vote for RS-DOS. The rumor is that either Lonnie Falk of Falsoft, or perhaps someone from Microware has started them. If anyone tries them, let me know. Bob Samuels There is 1 Reply. #: 8680 S1/General Interest 11-Dec-90 21:05:28 Sb: #8677-#900 numbers Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: International Consulting 71520,460 (X) Well...you aroused my curiosity (besides, I felt I should register my opinion) so I called the appropriate number. Evidently there's some outfit that runs these polls and also does some kind of thing for people searching for hardware (and, I guess, can't take the time to buy a magazine instead of chew up $2 per minute on the phone... :-(. The outfit is called something like "Mr. Computer." Oh, BTW...the recording said that OS-9 was ahead by 120+ votes. OTOH, they didn't say how many had voted altogether, and of course this "survey" suffers from all the usual problems of self-selected surveys as well as the fact that one can vote Chicago style (early and often) if one wants to blow the $$$. There is 1 Reply. #: 8695 S1/General Interest 12-Dec-90 18:56:41 Sb: #8680-#900 numbers Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Well...(talking to myself, but that's to keep the threat intact--take *that*, Atropos! :-) I couldn't resist calling again today. Either a very balanced number of people called "Ask Mr. Computer" on this, or they didn't bother to update the statistics, because the tape still said OS-9 is ahead by 121 votes. I think that my curiosity has been satisfied all it can be by calling up... Now the $64 question is--who caused this phone poll to occur? I really don't know. There is 1 Reply. #: 8697 S1/General Interest 12-Dec-90 19:33:48 Sb: #8695-#900 numbers Fm: International Consulting 71520,460 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Dear James, I finally broke down and blew the two bucks. OS-9 was ahead by 125 votes today, leading me to believe that the poll was updated after you called. BTW, for ANOTHER two bucks, I found out that the COCO side of things was also updated. As you say though, this is Chicago style. Do you, btw, remember me? I am a free lance writer, we have met several times at Rainbow fests. I actually put you in my OS-9 article for them. I wish I were getting rich on the 900 biz though. If they are getting rich. I wonder if it really is Lonnie??? Best Regards, Jeff There is 1 Reply. #: 8699 S1/General Interest 12-Dec-90 20:14:16 Sb: #8697-900 numbers Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: International Consulting 71520,460 Gee. I bet I know you by face, but not by name. I'm not good with names. I wouldn't mind getting $$$ from a 900 number myself . I don't know who induced the poll--it would be highly interesting to find out, though. #: 8745 S1/General Interest 15-Dec-90 04:26:45 Sb: #CoCo3 Status Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: All To All: In their stock update dated 12/14/90, Tandy has changed the status of the CoCo 3 (260-3334) to SOWG - sold out when gone. I _understand_ that none are left in any of the warehouses. So, If anyone wants one, head down to your local RS store and pick one up. We are out of them. Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO There is 1 Reply. #: 8753 S1/General Interest 15-Dec-90 15:03:54 Sb: #8745-CoCo3 Status Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X) Ahh, the passing of an era ...and the dawning of another (hopefully brighter!) ...Jim #: 8758 S1/General Interest 15-Dec-90 18:48:02 Sb: #F$CpyMem Fm: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, Is there any magic to the F$CpyMem call? I've been trying to write a basic program - using syscall - that scans memory in search of data, make that, lost data - when I forget to name a Dynastar file and then back out of the program without saving the buffer. I can get the basic program to work, sort of. But all it grabs is multiple copies of one particular block. Or a few system blocks... When I force the program to look for absurdly high block numbers (above 48), I catch a few more, but they're scattered all over creation and repeat as many as 200 times. I set D to the block number (from 0 to 48 since I have 192K), X to 0 since I want the whole block from the beginning; Y to 4096 since I want the whole block and U to the address of the 4K buffer I've set up in basic. Shouldn't that work? Wendell There are 2 Replies. #: 8759 S1/General Interest 15-Dec-90 19:11:19 Sb: #8758-#F$CpyMem Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 (X) Wendell - Never used CPYMEM much, but I know f$mapblk works ducky. Give it a shot (and remember to keep at least 1 slot vacant in your block map, as well as to UNMAP the block when done). Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 8766 S1/General Interest 15-Dec-90 21:04:05 Sb: #8759-F$CpyMem Fm: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) I'll give it a try. Thanks, Pete. Wendell #: 8764 S1/General Interest 15-Dec-90 19:59:47 Sb: #8758-#F$CpyMem Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 (X) Wendell - the D reg points to a DATImage... which contains the block number(s) of a 64K (fake) map you wish to copy from. So (thinking online here), you might set up a one-entry DATImage, and point to that: DIM datimage(8):INTEGER \ (* CoCo has 8 entries of 8K each datimage(0) = blocknum \ (* first 8K = desired block reg.D = addr(datimage) The offset in X would be $0000 as you surmised, and the Y copy count would be 4K for most L-II machines, or 8K for CoCos (to get entire block). Yell if doesn't make sense - kev There is 1 Reply. #: 8768 S1/General Interest 15-Dec-90 21:07:03 Sb: #8764-#F$CpyMem Fm: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Thanks, Kevin. I'm using a CMS level two machine so that's why the 4K block size. Wendell There is 1 Reply. #: 8769 S1/General Interest 15-Dec-90 21:09:32 Sb: #8768-#F$CpyMem Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 (X) Okay, I kinda thought you weren't using a coco. In that case, I forgot to mention that the DAT Image could have up to 16 entries composing a 64K map... the X offset would be into the entire map (of course, you'd need to set up at least as many entries as needed to "fill up" the area you're copying from). Luck! - kev There is 1 Reply. #: 8775 S1/General Interest 16-Dec-90 04:47:46 Sb: #8769-#F$CpyMem Fm: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Kevin, I tried your suggestion. But I changed DIM datimage(8) to DIM datimage(48) - to fit the CMS's 48 block RAM. I enter the blocks I want (by looking at Pmap or just guessing); then, with a FOR-Next loop, the whole mess repeatedly goes to Syscall (depending on the number of blocks) - and Voila! It works. But, don't ask me why! It seems like smoke and mirrors. Thanks, Kevin. Wendell There is 1 Reply. #: 8776 S1/General Interest 16-Dec-90 05:26:20 Sb: #8775-#F$CpyMem Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 (X) Glad to hear it worked... but I'm leery about the datimage(48)... the datimage max size on your system should be (16). It has nothing to do with the total number of blocks, but the number of blocks which can make up a 64K map, y'see. Ummm... and it won't work anyway : your X offset can't be over 64K anyway. Yah? So to get at all the blocks, you have to work 64K worth at a time. best - kev There are 2 Replies. #: 8777 S1/General Interest 16-Dec-90 05:57:10 Sb: #8776-F$CpyMem Fm: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Kevin, One more thing: DIM datimage(1) works just as well, since I'm only mapping one block at a time. Thanks again. Wendell #: 8790 S1/General Interest 16-Dec-90 15:33:53 Sb: #8776-#F$CpyMem Fm: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Kevin, I now think I understand what I've done. Since the D register is just a pointer (right?) to a memory location holding the block number, I've set up a loop like this: DIM datimage:integer INPUT "Low Block number? : ",first INPUT "High Block number? : ",last FOR look=first to last datimage=look D=ADDR(datimage) ...Figure out A and B ...Then call Syscall and print 4K block buffer to screen or file NEXT look My explanation is probably totally wacko, but the basic program works! I may even write it in assembly to save a little space and avoid overwriting any lost data. Thanks again, Kevin. Wendell There is 1 Reply. #: 8796 S1/General Interest 17-Dec-90 04:01:20 Sb: #8790-F$CpyMem Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 (X) Right-o. The D register is used as a pointer to the DAT Image for a fake (or real, in some cases) 64K map. Normally, OS9 L-II keeps a DAT Image for each process... when that proc's turn to run comes up, its 64K "image" is swapped into the DAT hardware, so that the process truly has a fairly normal 64K map unto itself. In other words, the OS keeps images of many 64K "machines". Including one for itself (the system map, where the kernel and drivers etc sit). Each image is composed of as many RAM blocks as required to hold the program code and data code... up to a 64K limit. By setting up your own image for F$CpyMem, you've created an artificial 64K world . For example, an image like this (for a CoCo. Your machine will have 16 entires/image, of 4K blocks each): 0003 - data 0004 - data 333E - nothing here (see DAT.Free in your DEFS/systype file 333E - " to see flag value for *your* machine) 333E - " 333E - " 0010 - program 0025 - program shows 16K of data RAM, and 16K of program RAM, mapped in... with 32K of "nothing" mapped in yet... where a subroutine module or data space could go. An X offset of $C000 for F$CpyMem would grab bytes starting at block 0010. A more common usage for F$CpyMem and DAT Images, btw, is to grab something from another process's space. If you get someone's process descriptor, you can point D to his P$DATImg, and voila! you can point X to any offset within that guy's own 64K space... and OS9 will use that offset and the image info to find the bytes you desired. best - kev #: 8838 S1/General Interest 21-Dec-90 02:59:15 Sb: Seasons Greetings Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: ALL To ALL!! A WISH for a _Very_ _Merry_ _Christmas_ and Holiday Season to ALL! Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO #: 8873 S1/General Interest 25-Dec-90 06:09:41 Sb: #OS-9000/386 Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: all Last night Santa delivered OS-9000! (368) Now I have to find a 386 PC to run it!... Merry Christmas all! There are 2 Replies. #: 8874 S1/General Interest 25-Dec-90 07:14:04 Sb: #8873-#OS-9000/386 Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X) Wow! Now that's what I call a present! Merry Christmas to you and Jane, too! And to everyone out there! You're the greatest bunch of people in the world. best wishes to all - kevin and marsha There are 3 Replies. #: 8875 S1/General Interest 25-Dec-90 08:58:20 Sb: #8874-OS-9000/386 Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Here's my Christmas wishes to the Darlings and all the other great people I've met on CompuServe! May you all have many, many more! Zack Sessions #: 8891 S1/General Interest 25-Dec-90 14:34:28 Sb: #8874-OS-9000/386 Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) I'll call you later so's we can chat about 9000. Tell Marsha: thanks for putting up with us Computer nuts. Say... did I tell you about my $88 31 MHz XT? #: 8990 S1/General Interest 01-Jan-91 17:29:42 Sb: #8874-OS-9000/386 Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Shoot, Kevin...you know that we think the same of you. Hope your holidays were pleasant. #: 8973 S1/General Interest 31-Dec-90 19:11:15 Sb: #8873-OS-9000/386 Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 Bill; In your search, check out (if you have one in your area) the Price Club's line of PC's - from POSITIVE in Chatsworth, CA. We picked up a 25Mhz. 386 with 2Meg of RAM, a 40 Meg HD (too small - get at least an 80 megger or >> ), DOS 4.01, Windows 3.0, mouse, kbd, VGA monitor for < $2100+tax. Excellent warrantee (with on-site repair) and toll-free hot line. Be sure and post a review of OS-9000 when you're up and running!! Luck, ...Jim #: 8932 S1/General Interest 28-Dec-90 19:45:02 Sb: #New OS9/68K Computer? Fm: NAM PUI 73347,3324 To: all Hi Everyone: Just have a chance to glance through the Jan 1991 Rainbow. I noticed a few interesting ads. What is this OS9/68000k PT68K4 single board computer that is being marketed by Peripheral Technology and Delmar Co. If they are what I think they are, then the new COCO 4 market (MM/1 and TC70 ) just got a lot more interesting then I expected. Not to mention the other 68030 system based on the AT bus plus a 32 bit bus(This one I heard through the grapevine). Anyone got any info on the 68000 system? Nam P.S. The ad on page 77 of the same magazine by NMSA about a CAT. It is very interesting. But What do they sale for $399.95? There is 1 Reply. #: 8934 S1/General Interest 29-Dec-90 03:54:36 Sb: #8932-New OS9/68K Computer? Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: NAM PUI 73347,3324 (X) Look in library 15 Hot Topics and pull down sys/binary. You will find a complete description of the SYSTEM IV. We are planning a 68030 machine with an AT bus and 32 bit expansion adapter. This is still in the design stage - it will be quite a while before it will be available for sale. If you want further info re the SYSTEM IV, please call me. Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO #: 8946 S1/General Interest 30-Dec-90 06:25:57 Sb: #CDROM - are we? Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464 To: all Need to ask y'all about about CD drives. It's the June 1986 Rainbow on page 218 written by Dale Puckett -- before the CoCo3 & Level 2 and even before I got my Level 1 2.0.0 copy! And I can't believe I've kept these old copies! :-) Most of the OS-9 articles are *still* quite relevant, btw. Page 218 contains one paragraph with its own subtitle, which I'll quote here in its entireity for those who don't have this issue, if I may: -*- "Our Future {boldface} "The 68K version of OS-9 may very soon be the standard operating system on most home-oriented computer systems. At a recent conference sponsored by Microsoft, Sony and Phillips proposed a new file format standard for the new compact disc technology. OS-9 68K is at the heart of the standard that supports sound and graphics as well as data on the new disks. The CD-I system uses a Motorola 68000 processor and custom graphics and sound processors still under development by Sony and Phillips. The systems may be sold as complete systems or as add-ons to existing audio CD players." -*- That's the entire article in the June 1986 Rainbow. In 1988, we read that Sony & Phillips will be putting OSK in ROM "in" the CD drives, such that the host computers won't need anything special. Last year we started seeing all this stuff come out, BUT FOR THE IBMPC COMPATIBLES. There are a few books I found at B.Dalton's written in/around these years that will have you believe the CD-ROM standards will follow the CD-I pretty much, in order for everything to remain compatible. Yes one appendix did mention multiple-level directories, file ownerships(!), executable files(!!) and the "E" flag in the directory(!!!), etc.!!!! Get my point? But *still* not a single mention about OS-9 or Microware or "whomever". EXCEPT for the H.W.Sams book on CD-I technology: they mention OS-9 and Microware a-plenty, plus this Sams edition is published in the same year as the Rainbow article I just quoted! It's getting on to be 5 years OLD NEWS now. [more] There is 1 Reply. #: 8971 S1/General Interest 31-Dec-90 12:31:00 Sb: #8946-CDROM - are we? Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 Paul, I think where many people get confused is that since CD-I uses OSK (OS9), the interface to any machine running OSK is easy. Not so. As you pointed out, the application software to access the data on the disk is independent of the OS and is in fact, written to operate on the host machine. So far as I know, these are the IBMs and the MACs. Whether we like it or not, the fact is the OSK market is a miniscule market (almost non-existant in the home). The major software houses, including the providers of CD-ROMS, do not feel it is worth their while to convert their software to run under OSK. They require a much bigger market than currently exists or anyone has been able to convince them might exist. DELMAR CO is looking at various ways the SYSTEM IV might read and execute these application programs. At this time, we are not prepared to claim this capability. Further is the question as to which system will prevail - Philips/Signetics or Intel (Sony is playing in both camps). Assuming we can solve the application software problem, the SYSTEM IV is ideally positioned to handle either system. Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO #: 8947 S1/General Interest 30-Dec-90 06:27:48 Sb: #CDROM - are we? Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464 To: all [continued] Microsoft has their "DOS extensions" to handle 'em. If you presently want to write programs to read the CDs, you must buy a $395.00 C-language component package (libraries & stuff) to the regular PC compilers (yep you can order these thru Tandy Express if'n ya want). MSDOS will let you treat the CD drive "as a drive" -- i.e. commands like "DIR D:" will work! -- and so will these programming packages. So ... the bottom line ... what is going on here? How are FHL, KLE/IMS, Delmar, Mustang, Disto, etc., going to support CDs? We already know these things use a SCSI interface, but that's not saying anything. I invite representatives from every OS-9 company & elsewhere to answer this question, please -- inquiring minds want to know! And I gotta tell 'em! -- Thx, Paul Seniura. (P.s. Intel is unveiling their DVI chips -- Digital Video Interface. It figures that the big-blue companies "gotta" do things their own way, eh? By the looks of all these el-cheapo CD drive sales coming up all of a sudden, maybe the world is going to do things Intel's ways, and all those companies are cleaning out their warehouses to make room for the real future. ... (DVI will show real-time video anywhere on any-size window area on the current screen. It's the kind of thing that the IBM MicroChannel [tm] is expressly designed for [that's a full 32-bit data & address buss path, among other things like the capability for a mainframe channel attachment, for those who don't know]. ... (Here we are with the TomCat and MM/1 etc., about 4 years behind technology IF/WHEN THEY *DO* become available and IF they DO support any of these CDs correctly. I might have to wait for one of those proverbial "cold days" before I buy *any* OS-9 upgrade. Get the point? (So I'm offering to help prototype new circuit designs for you companies out there -- I'm currently in the process of ordering tons of IC books from different manufacturers -- and I'm dead serious about making these items available for the home/office OS-9 user. I wouldn't be asking for these kinds of details if I wasn't serious & didn't car@w There is 1 Reply. #: 8963 S1/General Interest 30-Dec-90 22:52:02 Sb: #8947-CDROM - are we? Fm: John Ranck 73540,246 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 Good I was hoping someone would work on that. #: 8948 S1/General Interest 30-Dec-90 06:30:53 Sb: #CDROM - are we? Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464 To: all We have a local CDROM expert by the name of Bob Hall who's written books on different subjects including CDROM and Microsoft will be publishing his new book on CDROM technical information. Everything I've read points to the fact that CD-I was "first" and CD-ROM was suppose to be compatible in its storage format. We've also seen at least a few Specific references to the fact that "the format" is OS9/68000 directories & modules etc. Since the big conference in 1986, we haven't seen any further specific information! Not even Bob Hall has seen anything as specifically mentioning OS9/68K as the official format. But I have seen and I've told him where we found it, and have relayed this in my earlier messages on Delphi here. (If this thread is lost, I mentioned that this info is not just in the Rainbow magazine, but also in Howard W. Sams books. If CD-I is in OS9/68K format, it follows in other books I found at B.Daltons that CD-ROM is suppose to be compatible.) What I'm after is NOT the SCSI specs ... I'm trying to ask the 3 major OSK companies how they intend to run CDROM encyclopedias etc. KLE's MM/1 brochures as well as FHL's Tomcat flyers have both mentioned being able to hook in & run CDROMs specifically (not/just/only CD-I) or will do so in the future. Delmar hasn't really dealt with this in their text files here but I'd still like to know if they intend on supporting CDROMs as well. I *know* the players use SCSI protocols ... I'm not concerned about SCSI ... I'm concerned about how to find/search/view the databases and graphics and animation and speech etc. If KLE and FHL are saying they can run CDROMs, by golly they better know what they're talking about or they're falsely advertising the capabilities of their machines! [more] There is 1 Reply. #: 8964 S1/General Interest 30-Dec-90 22:53:58 Sb: #8948-CDROM - are we? Fm: John Ranck 73540,246 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 What about the CD-Worms. Is anybody prospecting them? #: 8949 S1/General Interest 30-Dec-90 06:32:14 Sb: #CDROM - are we? Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464 To: all [continued] And I am here inviting them to answer these inquiries. It'll drastically affect which system I pick to buy. OSK Windows is top on my list of priorities, but CDROMs is a *very* close Second on my list. If you developers want OSK to be useful in the home and schools, and CDROMs are not *already* being supported, then OSK is *already* about 3 years behind the times. Just look at the opportunities to make money ... else I fear OSK can't keep up with the Joneses and it'll eventually wither away like the CoCo is doing right now. Hey, I'm talking about HOME and EDUCATION MARKETS, not industry or business. Just this day I was trying to put the puzzle together. It will probably require writing some OSK applications (end-user friendly) based on the MSDOS and Macintosh functions of any particular CDROM database. For example, Compton's Encyclopedia comes with MSDOS application programs (besides the device drivers etc.). The drivers do the low-level I/O etc. The application programs do the actual find/search/retrieval of the needed info. There should be a version of Compton's that runs on the Mac whose application programs are possibly a "port" from the MSDOS ones (this is just an example; it might be that Compton didn't make a Mac version). Same database record I/O format, just a port of the same C source code, say. Well, of course Compton won't develop an OSK version because there ain't no $money$ in it -- right? Point made: someone's going to need to get the database format from Compton and write the application code ... the SCSI drivers etc. will already be in place under OSK as a device driver. If the sector & directory format of the CDROMs are not in OSK format (i.e. away from all the literature I've been reading), there'll need to be another system module to translate the raw sector data into OSK-meaningful format. See what I'm getting at? Are KLE & FHL going to commit to this kind of support for CDROMs? If not, they had better stop advertising this or someone will be going to the Fed. Trade Commission! -- Thx for your time, Paul Seniura. There is 1 Reply. #: 8960 S1/General Interest 30-Dec-90 13:48:26 Sb: #8949-CDROM - are we? Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 Paul - I agree that there's a great deal of confusion (in the entire computer marketplace) about CDROMs. First. The CD-I players are (finally!) due out this summer... the Japanese have been showing units by many makers (a Sony portable is shown on Popular Science Jan 1991 page 41). Hard to judge yet, but with luck these players will become as common as VCRs are now. It's thought that perhaps 20% will be expanded by owners out into OSK personals. You are correct in reading that the directory structures on most CDROMs are of a standard (which is not the same OS9 dir format you use now. that's what different File Managers are for). But the data files have no standard. Each CDROM comes with its own program (you usually put it on your HD) for reading that particular disc. Mac users often complain about not having access to discs available for IBM machines, and vice-versa. So yes, we're in the same boat as Amiga, ST, Unix, and many other users (including Mac/IBM at times)... each CDROM app must be ported to the specific machine. Or, new apps/discs must be created (feasible, tho time-consuming). One of our "aces" in the hole is because of CD-I... the people creating those discs are already familiar with OSK. I hear that IMS is actively pursuing this avenue, for instance. So the possibilities are there. I don't think I've seen any KMA maker advertising that you can currently use Mac/IBM CDROM discs, tho. If you feel a need to complain to the FTC, start with the ads all around you for Mac/PC cdrom where they assume everyone has the correct machine ;-). The best way to help our community out is to become a good C/gfx programmer, and be available to help port Mac/PC cdrom apps should the opportunity arise. Happy New Year! - kev #: 8978 S1/General Interest 31-Dec-90 23:13:36 Sb: Happy New Year! Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: ALL HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!! #: 8989 S1/General Interest 01-Jan-91 15:35:57 Sb: BBclock2.ar upload Fm: Dennis Skala 73177,2365 To: Sysop (X) I inadvertently uploaded a file into the Midi section which should have gone into the Coco section. Please correct, and get rid of the extra lines in the description - when I went to correct this, my new input was appended to the old for some reason. Sorry for the confusion. #: 9005 S1/General Interest 03-Jan-91 16:09:51 Sb: 2400 baud modem for sale Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: All I have a surplus 2400 baud modem that I'd like to sell. It's a US Robotics Courier 2400 (external) modem. Does all the expected stuff, has built in help (AT$), and is hayes compatible. Comes with manual and power supply. I'd like $85 for it. Leave me a note in email if you're interested. Thanks... Pete Lyall #: 9175 S1/General Interest 18-Jan-91 17:14:56 Sb: #OS9/6809==OS9/68000? Fm: Ernest Adams 71170,161 To: ALL Excuse my ignorance, everyone... I'm new to the Motorola family of chips. Does the 68000 family run 6809 executables under OS9? Can I get an OS9 program assembled for the 6809 to run on a 68000? I'm developing software for the CD-I player, which runs an OS9/68000 variant called CD-RTOS, but I don't have all the software I want. I was wondering if I could download 6809 s/w and use it on the CD-I player. Ernest Adams There are 2 Replies. #: 9180 S1/General Interest 18-Jan-91 18:13:27 Sb: #9175-OS9/6809==OS9/68000? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Ernest Adams 71170,161 The brief answer to your question is, "no." The longer answer is, anything is possible in software, if one is willing to write it. I've heard mention of a 6809 emulator running under OS-9/68000, but nothing about availability, and it may well be slow. (The 6809 architecture is a very neat one--but it may take some effort to emulate it precisely, and --well, I forgot whatever I was going to say. Sorry.) One would be better off translating the code than interpreting it, and doing a little analysis of what instruction effects are truly required--a contextsensitive activity, the next step up from peephole optimization. #: 9191 S1/General Interest 19-Jan-91 02:28:20 Sb: #9175-OS9/6809==OS9/68000? Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Ernest Adams 71170,161 Hi Ernest, 6809 binaries are quite different from 680x0 binaries. There is an OS9/6809 emulator, tho it's not available quite yet (I'm a beta tester... works well, tho slowly on cpu bound tasks). Perhaps a better question might be: which utils and other software are you interested in? Someone might have, or be working on, the equivalent for OSK. I think you'll soon see lots of useful 68K tools showing up which you can use. best - kev #: 9184 S1/General Interest 18-Jan-91 22:14:54 Sb: #need access to usenet Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464 To: all I'm back on a project I started in early 1989 or before dealing with Standard MIDI Files (SMFs). Some C source code was available from the IEMUG network written by Tim Thompson who based it on an earlier Version 0.06 of the specifications. I've been able to rework it into Version 1.0 from the Int'l MIDI Assoc. (IMA; I'm a member and have all their official specs). Thompson's code is in the form of subroutines which parses a SMF, and that is a great deal of the work done right there. A couple of sample main routines writes English out to explain what's in the SMF. It's very clearly broken up into routines that can be used quite easily in other main programs. Thompson has an address apparently on Usenet: ...att!twitch!glimmer!tjt... Could someone reach him to get permission to share the sources? Thompson might be a Unix person: I have had no trouble at all recompiling it to work on OS9 CoCo3 Level 2. I did enhance his main program quite a bit to produce much more detail and consistency in the printed output. I'm hoping we can help Mike Knudsen make some converters to/from UME format with this code. Right now I don't see how and it'll take quite a big smart program to do it. I have not seen any SMF Format-1 to Format-0 standalone converters from anyone and I've asked the MIDI SIG to help here. And Knudsen's docs on the UME file format are not akin to what we see in a SMF. So I thought I'd come out with a SMF Player just to get the ball rolling. (The user will need to have the exact same hardware setups for which the SMF was intended. Thus the need to be able to convert from/to UME format.) Could someone try reaching Tim Thompson for permission, please? (I have other questions but will keep them in a separate thread.) -- Thx, Paul Seniura. (CIS: 76476,464. Delphi: PAULSENIURA. GEnie: PSENIURA.) //^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\\ There is 1 Reply. #: 9189 S1/General Interest 19-Jan-91 00:25:54 Sb: #9184-need access to usenet Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 Pete, Mark and others will correct me, but perhaps you could try sending him email via: >internet:tjt@glimmer.twitch.att.com This is just a novice guess at an Internet address translation (talking way over my own head now :-). #: 9187 S1/General Interest 18-Jan-91 22:40:02 Sb: #8960-CDROM - are we? Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Hi! Thanks for helping. I'll study the other replies before saying much, unless we can find some technical books or such about these CD things. I *am* hoping I can contribute (re: "become a good C/gfx programmer"). Hint hint. But I can't afford to buy much of anything right now unless an offer comes up. I kinda figured we'd need to get record formats et al. and do that porting ourselves *if* those CD companies would help out, and I have become a Realist on things like that: Realistically Pessemistic. -- Thx, Paul S. Press !> The OS-9 Forum Read Menu Read 1 [NEW] messages 2 Message NUMBER 3 WAITING messages for you (0) Search [new] messages 4 FROM (Sender) 5 SUBJECT 6 TO (Recipient) Enter choice !>1 #: 9197 S1/General Interest 19-Jan-91 17:29:51 Sb: #9184-need access to usenet Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 Paul - I'll try to remember to mail to him early this week. As an added reminder to me, please drop a note in my email box here around Monday. Pete #: 9201 S1/General Interest 19-Jan-91 19:44:08 Sb: #Yet another one! Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: 76703,4230 (X) Pete; Be sure to wish Marsha a Happy B'day for me! ..Jim There is 1 Reply. #: 9221 S1/General Interest 21-Jan-91 15:45:28 Sb: #9201-#Yet another one! Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X) Jim - I'll do that, but hers was in November (11th, actually) - do you have a reminder util that's setup for Jan ? (g).... Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 9242 S1/General Interest 22-Jan-91 23:01:36 Sb: #9221-#Yet another one! Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete; Yep, that's what that Dateck program that I sent you does. When you said that Marsha's B'day was 4 years later than mine, I ASSumed that it was in Jan. .. Oh well, guess I have to edit the dates.file! Ain't Scorpio wimmen great?? All my loves for the past 16 years or so have been Scorpios. Luv that fiery, fiesty temperament!! ...Jim There is 1 Reply. #: 9248 S1/General Interest 22-Jan-91 23:47:56 Sb: #9242-Yet another one! Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X) Fiesty - that's a good.. er.. delicate word (g).... Happy 48th BTW! Pete #: 9235 S1/General Interest 22-Jan-91 15:25:42 Sb: Disto Support ?? Fm: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 To: All Is there any representatives from Disto Online here that may be able to help me figure out my Hard Drive formatting problems ? I thought at one time Tony D. was online. >>Rod<< #: 9238 S1/General Interest 22-Jan-91 20:25:21 Sb: #Kyum-Gai goes OS-9!! Fm: Glen Dahlgren 72310,3243 To: all To any and all of you, I wanted to jump in and announce to those who were not aware that Kyum-Gai: to be Ninja, the popular CoCo 3 RS-DOS arcade game, has finally successfully been ported over to OS-9. The game coding was done by Glen Dahlgren (myself, an RS-DOS game programmer for Sundog Systems) and ported by Kevin Darling (a name known to all as the OS-9 guru) and Eddie Kuns (author of KBCom and contributing editor for Rainbow magazine). The result is simply fantastic. It was originally created as a response to the statement by a well-known RS-DOS game programmer that it was impossible to create a fast, well-programmed arcade game under the OS-9 environment. Kevin Darling took it as a challenge and, along with a little help from Eddie and myself, ported the arcade game over to OS-9. Now OS-9ers can play one of the top CoCo 3 games without sacrificing your OS-9 features! Have multiple Kyum-Gai's in memory at once. Multitask while playing! Don't worry about moving to another window, as Kyum-Gai will auto-pause and wait for your return! This is a landmark piece of software and I'm glad to announce, especially to those who have been waiting patiently for it, that it is now shipping! Now you can have an incredible CoCo 3 arcade game installed on your hard drive! Check out the ad in Rainbow and hopefully soon in the OSKer! It retails for $29.95, and can be purchased on-line in Delphi's shopping service, or directly from Sundog Systems! Thanks for your time! -----------Glen R. Dahlgren Sundog Systems There is 1 Reply. #: 9240 S1/General Interest 22-Jan-91 21:14:12 Sb: #9238-#Kyum-Gai goes OS-9!! Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Glen Dahlgren 72310,3243 (X) I'm very glad to hear that it's now available--and if I remember rightly, Kevin commented in a posting a while back that the code in Kyum-Gai was quite well structured, simplifying the port considerably. Expect an order from me shortly! (Of course, there *is* the obvious followup question. :-) There is 1 Reply. #: 9260 S1/General Interest 23-Jan-91 20:12:57 Sb: #9240-#Kyum-Gai goes OS-9!! Fm: Glen Dahlgren 72310,3243 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Well, if the obvious followup question is where you can get a hold of it, I can certainly answer that one! Sundog Systems resides at: Sundog Systems P.O. Box 766 Manassas, VA 22111 703/330-8989 We'd be glad to take your order! ;-) -----------Glen There is 1 Reply. #: 9263 S1/General Interest 23-Jan-91 23:38:52 Sb: #9260-#Kyum-Gai goes OS-9!! Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Glen Dahlgren 72310,3243 (X) The obvious followup question I had in mind was, what other games would you be porting to OS-9? (Obviousness, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. :-) :-) Thanks much for the address and phone number. There is 1 Reply. #: 9271 S1/General Interest 24-Jan-91 20:50:44 Sb: #9263-Kyum-Gai goes OS-9!! Fm: Glen Dahlgren 72310,3243 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Ahhhh!!! My idea of obvious is, of course, much different than your! Actually, to answer your other obvious question, it really depends on the sales of this program. I've got a few well-known OS-9 authors who would be very interested in converting other games. If Kyum-Gai: to be Ninja (the OS-9 Version) proves itself in the marketplace, then I would be very open to the idea. Remember, you can promote this! Word of mouth is one of the most powerful movers in this market. If a lot of people hear, and therefore buy, the program, we'll be churning out more! ------------Glen #: 9241 S1/General Interest 22-Jan-91 22:32:44 Sb: #THE DEMISE Fm: RORY OCONNOR 75500,3212 To: ALL TO ALL OF THE COCO USERS OUT THERE, I HAVE BEEN AWAY FROM THIS SERVICE FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND WANT TO GET BACK INTO IT AS WELL AS PROGRAMMING. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FROM YOU GUYS. I HERE THAT THE COCO IS DEAD AS FAR AS TANDY IS CONCERENED, IS THIS SO?--- IF SO WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? HOPE TO GET A LOT OF SUGGESTIONS, THANKS. There are 2 Replies. #: 9250 S1/General Interest 23-Jan-91 01:23:46 Sb: #9241-THE DEMISE Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: RORY OCONNOR 75500,3212 (X) Rory, "Dead", the CoCo is not (just ask all of the people who are using it right now!). The CoCo line is being allowed to go SOWG (Sold Out When Gone) and there's no replacement coming from Radio Shack, so the chances of seeing anything new from Fort Worth are slim to absolutely none. Of course, you can still buy TRS-80 Model 1 parts from Tandy, today, so the technical support for the computer will continue for a while. What next? You can (a) stay with the CoCo or (b) go to another platform. If you're interested in OS-9, there are much worse platforms to use than a CoCo-3 running OS-9 level 2. Wayne #: 9253 S1/General Interest 23-Jan-91 06:31:44 Sb: #9241-THE DEMISE Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: RORY OCONNOR 75500,3212 (X) Rory, For a couple of 'next platform' options, check out the recent announcements in our HOT TOPICS library. Frank Hogg Labs, IMS and Ed Gresick have some exciting news to share. Steve #: 9257 S1/General Interest 23-Jan-91 15:04:38 Sb: Disto Support Fm: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 To: SYSOP (X) Is there any Disto Reps online in this forum ? Is there a FAX number for Disto available ? >>Rod<< #: 9316 S1/General Interest 29-Jan-91 00:21:19 Sb: #Where is the ar program? Fm: Scott Tegtmeyer 72560,1503 To: [F] All I would like to download programs with .ar suffix, but I can't seem to find the ar program. Can you tell me where it is? Thanks, Scott Tegtmeyer There is 1 Reply. #: 9318 S1/General Interest 29-Jan-91 04:57:00 Sb: #9316-Where is the ar program? Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: Scott Tegtmeyer 72560,1503 (X) Scott, The file(s) you are looking for are in LIB 9. All the files will pop up if you type the command: BRO AR*.* whilst in LIB9. AR.DOC is the documentation file. Read the descriptions, and you'll see that there are separate .BIN (executable files) for both 6809 & 680x0 machines. AR.AR contains the full boat and source code as well. If you do download one of the .BIN files, you may want to RENAME it and take the .BIN extension off (ie....RENAME /d?/AR09.BIN /d?/AR), and you WILL need to set the atributes adding the "pe" and "e" attributes. The command which will do the job is ATTR /d?/AR -PE -E Hope that helps. Dan #: 9331 S1/General Interest 29-Jan-91 22:08:45 Sb: Gibbs Rep Fm: NAM PUI 73347,3324 To: all Is there anyone from Ultrascience/Gibbs Laboratories Inc. in the forum here? Nam #: 9351 S1/General Interest 31-Jan-91 11:45:16 Sb: Computers for Sale Fm: Steven Barlett 71635,1562 To: all Color Computer Equipment for sale.. Call The First Baptist Church of Rosemead at (818) 287-5053 for Details... #: 9374 S1/General Interest 02-Feb-91 08:58:50 Sb: Kreider LIB docs Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: All From rewop!sysop Thu Jan 31 06:03:34 1991 Received: by rewop (Rmail09 1.2) id 4574; Wed Jan 30 22:15:16 1991 From: rewop!sysop To : OS9stl!steve Date: Wed Jan 30 22:07:22 1991 Subj: Kreider Docs Steve, Would you post the following message on the Forum for all members? Thanks! ---------------------------------- All C programmers: I have corrected the error in my documentation of Carl Kreider's C library. These docs are available to anyone who wants them. I will not be uploading them here because of the size, but will send a disk will all docs, the man command for reading them, and the updated mroff for making the man pages--including source code. If anyone would like a disk, please send a disk mailer and a blank disk with enough return postage to cover the charges to: Mark Griffith 953 W. Wisconsin Ave. DeLand FL 32720 If there is enough call, I can upload the archives here after splitting them up to keep the size down. Reply to this message and Steve Wegert will forward then to me. I appreciate all the comments many people have made in getting the errors out of the doc files. Thanks to all. /\/\ark Usenet ....!uflorida!ki4pv!macs!stetson!rewop!sysop UUCP direct (904) 736-1849 rewop!sysop Internet griffith@stetson.bitnet #: 9397 S1/General Interest 04-Feb-91 20:26:45 Sb: OS9 to MSDOS Fm: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 To: All Is there a MS-DOS utility that will read and copy files from OS9 formatted disk ? >>Rod<< #: 9413 S1/General Interest 06-Feb-91 11:20:42 Sb: #New to OS-9 LII Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: [F] All I am just now installing OS-9 Level II. I need to ask these questions, especially so I can clear up some conflicting information. 1. Even though I have had no trouble so far, I have been told that I should get Level I as well, esp. for its editor/assembler (strange, yes, but that's what RS told me....) 2. Another forum's sysop told me that Multivue (in addition to the lvlII which I have) is a prerequisite for decoding GIF's on the CoCo at all, but I have also been told that I can decode GIF w/o as much as OS-9 at all. Since it presently impossible for me to use my disk drive and modem at the same time, or to download anything other than ASCII BASIC programs or text files, I cannot now try or test anything related to viewing or decoding GIF. 3. And is Multivue otherwise really worthwhile? Any special capabilities beyond the windows and icons not available otherwise? I do fine under the character environment and see no need to make my CoCo3 a pseudo-Macintosh with Multivue or other GUI. I believe this will take care of my questions for now. Thank you for your attention and assistance. There are 3 Replies. #: 9414 S1/General Interest 06-Feb-91 12:19:14 Sb: #9413-New to OS-9 LII Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich, I've forwarded your message to "All" in the hope that you'll get more responses to your several questions. There are only two folks here on the OS9 forum that can read messages to *sysop so I thought you'd appreciate a wider audience. #: 9415 S1/General Interest 06-Feb-91 13:03:45 Sb: #9413-#New to OS-9 LII Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Getting LI is a good idea for the assembler, and a few other goodies that you don't get unless you buy the developer's kit of LII. You can decode GIF with or without OS9. You _really_ need to alter your setup so that you can use the modem/serial port and the disk controller at the same time... will save you lots of pulled hair. Multi-vue is absolutely non-essential to anything that I'm aware of. The only thing that's a real plus is that they have an updated graphics driver in there (WINDINT) that has more functionality in support of MultiVue. That may be worth having. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 9428 S1/General Interest 07-Feb-91 20:32:00 Sb: #9415-#New to OS-9 LII Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) I believe I will get the full LII developer's kit instead of LI. If possible, I will check out this option further before buying. Considering its current price and the tip in Msg 9419, I think I will go ahead with getting Multivue. I certainly recognise the need to get a better system setup. Considering I paid only $9.95 for my modem pak, I am willing to relegate it to backup status. I found out that the CoCo3's RS232C port ought interface (with a DIN-->DB-9 or 25 adapter) with a "IBM-compatible" modem and I have found a good deal on one. It has, too, a RS232C port and transmits at 300, 1200, and 2400-baud speeds. This alone would be a big improvement over the pak: there is a bbs I want to call but cannot since they only support 1200-baud. For CIS, I would like to use the 2400-baud. To do this, would POKE 149,0:POKE 150,18 from the DECB OK prompt do? (cf. pg. 314 of the CoCo3ECB manual) I also know I need a terminal program worthy of being called one. I now have a nonfunctioning copy of Mikeyterm 4.7. Also, RS allegedly has Color Compac and VIDEOTEX for the CoCo. Are they any good? Can they drive the modem I am thinking of getting (see above)? Can they also work with the pak (in case the need should arise)? What other programs are out there? It will be at least another 2 weeks before I get to see a current RAINBOW, but when I ordered my sub, I also ordered a 1986 issue, and I recall seeing an ad for AUTOTERM which, I presume, is no longer available. What will really help is getting a multipak interface or the equivalent thereof. It seems that Howard Medical Co. is the only source for that now. I am on their waiting list, and I was told it could easily be two months before I get one. Maybe I'd be better off building one myself, as long as I can get a schematic for it. There is 1 Reply. #: 9438 S1/General Interest 08-Feb-91 12:25:26 Sb: #9428-New to OS-9 LII Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) The POKE 150,x command (boy - does THAT take me back) only affects the serial port on the back, and then only under BASIC... it would have no effect on the RS232 pak. Your best bet is MickeyTerm... Mike Ward is the author, and he hangs out here and in COCO as a Sysop. He could help with any problems, and get you going... Pete #: 9419 S1/General Interest 06-Feb-91 19:43:47 Sb: #9413-#New to OS-9 LII Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) ~ If you want the ASM assembler, then yes you have to get OS9 level I. Os9 Level II comes with Basic09, but the assembler is not included. If you want the RMA assembler, then you need to get the Developers Pak which is supposedly hard to find these days. As far as GIF under Level II, I'm not aware of any decoders that use VDG type screens, so maybe it's true that you need at least the GRFINT driver available. WINDINT, which comes in the Multivue package, is an enhanced GRFINT. There are DECB GIF viewers available, but I don't know any details. From your statement that you can't use disk drives and your modem at the same time, I assume you are using an RS232 pak or DC modem pak. I highly recommend that you obtain a real terminal program. Anything less just makes for needless frustration. Finally, I feel that Multivue is important, if not for the GSHELL program (which uses WINDINT), for WINDINT itself. Many coco programs require WINDINT and you may be limited to what you can run in the future as more WINDINT dependent programs become available. There is 1 Reply. #: 9429 S1/General Interest 07-Feb-91 20:39:35 Sb: #9419-New to OS-9 LII Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X) I get the feeling I might be better off getting the Developer's Kit. RS allegedly has it (i.e., it IS in their software catalog). What I still need to know at this point is info on exactly what it means for an assembler to be ASM or RMA. So far the only microprocessor I have done assembly language on is the 6502, but I want to add the 68B09E to that list before to much longer. I am only too well aware of the limitations of my modem pak and its so-called terminal program. I am now working to solve these problems; see Msg 9415 and my reply to it. #: 9439 S1/General Interest 08-Feb-91 17:23:40 Sb: #Foreign Question Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Anyone To any OS9 users who also use MS-DOS, does anyone have a favorite screen editor for the latter system? Paul There are 2 Replies. #: 9440 S1/General Interest 08-Feb-91 17:31:57 Sb: #9439-Foreign Question Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) Paul - I use the MKS (Mortice Kearn Software) DOS version of the unix 'vi' editor. MKS makes and sells a whole suite of unix-like tools, including a shell, for MS-DOS. Pete #: 9442 S1/General Interest 08-Feb-91 18:27:41 Sb: #9439-#Foreign Question Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) Paul, I have a tendancy to QEdit....and it is shareware and available here on CompuServe. Visit the IBM File Finer (GO IBMFF) and hunt on the KEYWORD of QEDIT. Dan There is 1 Reply. #: 9476 S1/General Interest 11-Feb-91 22:03:17 Sb: #9442-Foreign Question Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X) Thanks guys. I found something on a local BBS that serves my needs. It is a small memory resident screen editor that pops up instantly and can handle small programs (750 lines). I downloaded Qedit also and will check it out. Guess Pete likes that Unix-like stuff. #: 9456 S1/General Interest 09-Feb-91 15:29:23 Sb: #LvlII Configuration??? Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: ALL I have been using the LII manual to try to custom configure LII. After specifying a 60Hz clock, config crashes. I get a Use Caution message that ends with ERROR #215. Asking what this is gets a ERROR #216. Is the manual wrong, does my disk have errors, or could my system be unconfigurable? This happens no matter which devices are or are not selected and with either type of display specified. There is 1 Reply. #: 9460 S1/General Interest 09-Feb-91 23:06:04 Sb: #9456-LvlII Configuration??? Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich - I'm sure someone else will know more, but it may be this: at the very beginning when it asks you to input a drive name, I think it has to be in the form "/d0" instead of just "d0".... I'm not positive about this tho. #: 9485 S1/General Interest 12-Feb-91 21:33:20 Sb: #80386 Fm: William Verthein 76557,3623 To: ALL I am new to the forum and new to OS-9. I have heard a lot of great things about it. Is OS-9 limitted to 68XX and 68XXX CPUs or is there a portable version that runs on 8086 family processors like the 80386? Let me know, I'm interested... There is 1 Reply. #: 9486 S1/General Interest 13-Feb-91 05:54:47 Sb: #9485-80386 Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: William Verthein 76557,3623 Greetings! You're correct: there is a version of OS-9, called OS-9000, which is cpu portable. So far I believe it has been ported to the 680x0 and 80386. SPARC, 88000, and other cpus will eventually follow, depending mostly on demand for them. Ask away. We'll help if possible. Also, GO MSC to find more info on Microware System Corp's products. best - kevin #: 9503 S1/General Interest 14-Feb-91 20:20:49 Sb: #OS9 -> Mac Hard disk Fm: Steve Bliss 75716,117 To: 76703,376 (X) Any idea where I could get a driver that would allow my OS9 machine to access a Macintosh hard drive? I'd like to hook up to the Mac's SCSI bus and transfer files that way. There is 1 Reply. #: 9505 S1/General Interest 14-Feb-91 20:53:23 Sb: #9503-OS9 -> Mac Hard disk Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: Steve Bliss 75716,117 (X) Nope... no idea of where you'd find such a thing, Steve. I doubt that you'd be able to do it, unless you were willing to sacrifice the Mac's use of the hard drive, since the System doesn't allow partial partioning of a hard drive like an MS-DOS machine does, from what I've been told. Wayne #: 9506 S1/General Interest 14-Feb-91 21:18:46 Sb: #9197-need access to usenet Fm: obed 73540,1200 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) PAUL IF YOU ARE SENDING TO TJT ON THE IN2~TERNET, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU ABRIVIATE HIS ADDRSS TO TJT@ATT.COM YOU CAN USE COMPUSERVE TO DO THIS AS COMPUSERVE LETS U USE cTHE COMPUSERVE MAIL TO EMAIL TO INTERN~ET CHECK WITH THE INTER NET HELP INSIDE OF THE COMPUSERVE MAIL STUFF. GOOD LUCK OBED #: 9510 S1/General Interest 15-Feb-91 03:48:02 Sb: #Is it 36? Fm: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, Happy 36th Birthday! Wendell There is 1 Reply. #: 9520 S1/General Interest 15-Feb-91 17:07:31 Sb: #9510-Is it 36? Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 (X) Wendell! Every year you nail me! I'll have to make a trek to LA and shoot you before I turn 40... grin. Thanks! Pete #: 9530 S1/General Interest 16-Feb-91 10:07:04 Sb: ComputerWare Authors Fm: D.Cook, A.C.E.S. 75366,2660 To: all Looking for some help here. I would like to contact the author(s) of a set of accounting programs distributed by ComputerWare some years ago. "ComputerWares Accounts Receivables System" copyright 1986. It was written for a CoCo I/II under OS9 level I, in a proprietary basic interpreter also written by CW. Any information on the author(s) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dan Cook (A.C.E.S.) Press !> #: 9558 S1/General Interest 18-Feb-91 04:32:25 Sb: #9439-Foreign Question Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) We use a PC version of "the" editor on IBM mainframes called ISPF/PDF: Interactive System Productivity Facility / Program Development Facility. IBM was selling it as EZ-VU Version 1 or 2 for a while, discontinued it (although lots of its PC software still "requires" it, go figure), and now they have an official ISPF/PDF for PCs with the same acronym. Although the mainframe is based on 3270-type terminals, the PC version acts in every way the same as the mainframe version, including tab key, home key, PF keys (PF1 = Help, PF3 = End, PF7 = Up, PF8 = Down, etc.). And regular ISPF commands like '=3.4' to go directly to main menu option 3 then option 4 from there, no matter "where" one was at in a panel hiearchy. The ISPF part contains the editor & enough support to roll your own selection panels & fill-in menus, tremendous built-in power for field picture checking, translation of menu number options to commands (e.g. Option 1 = Goto panel 'name', or Option 2 = execute 'command', etc.). My goodness one can come out with an entire on-line full-screen application in an hour, with menu hiearchy, help screens, and input validation, etc. High-level languages call ISPF subroutines to throw a panel on the screen for info to be filled in and passed back to the program. Even the full-screen editor provided in ISPF can be called up when needed. Then the PDF part gives access to programming languages, dataset lists and processing, search for strings in a library of members, compare datasets, etc., that totally isolates one from the rudimentary commands of DOS or TSO or in whatever environment it is being run. If anyone ports just the ISPF part over to OS9, it'd alone be worth $599.95 in my book. The best source code editor bar none. No reason why it can't be ported, except the legal hassles of course. I could try getting the OEM company's name & address if you'd like it. Better stop, might start selling PCs! -- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464) #: 9573 S1/General Interest 20-Feb-91 16:39:13 Sb: #9460-LvlII Configuration??? Fm: edward langenback 73510,145 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) yep, that's it. "/d0" is what config is looking for, "d0" it doesn't understand. had that problem myself when i first got into OS/9 "KMA-68!!" >>>>>S S<<<<< !!!!!!!!!!!!! #: 9632 S1/General Interest 26-Feb-91 18:33:55 Sb: 80386 Fm: William Verthein 76557,3623 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 Press !> #: 9640 S1/General Interest 28-Feb-91 22:59:31 Sb: #clibt.ar library Fm: Bernie 74076,1215 To: all HELP! Some time ago I downloaded a file named clibt.ar, which contained relocatable library code and documentation for additional "C" library routines. The routines included trig functions, time functions, getopt(), and various other goodies. Due to a disk problem, I can no longer read the AR file and have therefore lost the doco. Can anyone tell me where I can find the original file (or documentation for it) that I can download? There are 2 Replies. #: 9649 S1/General Interest 01-Mar-91 07:39:13 Sb: #9640-clibt.ar library Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bernie 74076,1215 Bernie, As mentioned over in COCO, it's LIB 3 ... and should be close to the top. Whatcha got going? Steve #: 9650 S1/General Interest 01-Mar-91 08:47:29 Sb: #9640-clibt.ar library Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Bernie 74076,1215 Bernie - That should be here in DL3. Pete #: 9654 S1/General Interest 01-Mar-91 16:13:57 Sb: #9397-OS9 to MSDOS Fm: Curtis Veit 76067,3225 To: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 (X) Hi, There is source for a utility to do this on UNIX systems in the UNIXFORUM here on Compuserve. It is called M-16 or MT16 I think (sorry about the fuzzy memory). I'd love to see someone port it to OS9 and OSK!!! (this is one of those projects I've thought of doing but haven't even had time to look at the code to see if it would be ugly... There are others here on the forum that seem to have lots of experience porting from Unix (any of you guys want to try your hand at this?) - Curtis ps. that source is probably in the utilities or tools section of the Unixforum. #: 9655 S1/General Interest 01-Mar-91 16:29:44 Sb: #9503-OS9 -> Mac Hard disk Fm: Curtis Veit 76067,3225 To: Steve Bliss 75716,117 This could be done a couple of ways. 1. write a clone of the mac file system for OS9 so your system can read the directories and files as they are. 2. Write a utility for both the Mac and OS9 to read and write using some arbitrary simple format (perhaps something already written would work, such as tar). You would need to set aside a partition on the hard disk for this shared area. (Yes the Mac can partition hard drives with third party software like silver lining, (from LaCie I think). This can be done by bit diddling on the hard disk IF ... 1. You have the info telling how? (I've seen it but I don't know where). 2. You are brave and like to risk all the data on your disk. 3. Write a utility to pass info from the Mac to OS9 directly over the SCSI port. (this is probably the easy choice (comparatively)). After choseing one of the above be sure to set up your SCSI IDs so they don't conflict (I believe the Mac is ID=7, not adjustable). The Mac hard disk is usually ID=1 and is adjustable directly on the drive if nowhere else. If you actually attempt this I'd love to hear about it. As you might guess from the above there might be alot of pitfalls along the road to any of these solutions. - Curtis [D/exit #: 9682 S1/General Interest 04-Mar-91 21:26:22 Sb: #OS-9/OS-9000 Features Fm: William Verthein 76557,3623 To: ALL I am new to the forum and new to OS-9. I have been looking into different operating systems for use in a real time embedded system for my company. I have heard a lot of good things about OS-9/OS-9000 and I'd appreciate any help you forum members can give me. Some questions I have are: 1) What company distributes an 80386 version of OS-9000? 2) Is OS-9000 a real time system (priorities, pre-emption...)? 3) Does anyone out there use OS-9000 in a real time environment? 4) Does anyone out there run OS-9000 on an 80386? Thanx for any help you can give me... wgv There is 1 Reply. #: 9781 S1/General Interest 13-Mar-91 19:46:10 Sb: #9682-OS-9/OS-9000 Features Fm: David L. Kaleita 72657,2775 To: William Verthein 76557,3623 William, although I can't answer your questions quite yet, give me a couple of weeks and I might be able to give you a bit of insight. You see, I have OS-9000 on order (it should arrive within the next few days), complete with the RAVE graphics system. I have been using OS-9 for years and if OS-9000 is even 3/4 of what OS-9 is, then I predict it is EXACTLY what you are looking for. I decided to move to OS-9000 after studying a set of OS-9000 and Rave manuals for a couple of months and finding that Microware has apparently not left anything out from the OS-9 product, and actually added a few nifty new things. I'll report back here as soon as I have a chance to play with it for awhile. By the way, I am the Engineering Manager for a company who designs industrial controls (primarily for resistance welding robots), hence my interest in real time control systems. Besides, computers are one of my hobbies and I just HAD to have the most powerful operating system you can get for a home computer ! One last comment (for the benefit of you UG guys that are reading this message): I'll get back into the OS-9/68000 game when CD-I FINALLY SHOWS UP AT THE CES IN JUNE!!! In the meantime, I've bought myself a PC. MS-DOS does indeed suck, and Windows ain't much better. Give me GEM or MAC any day. I hope I can do some good stuff with Rave. #: 9723 S1/General Interest 08-Mar-91 01:57:12 Sb: #Help with ar Fm: Dale Toyne 76304,2104 To: all Help! I download aro9.bin and sr.doc using xmodem, then used DOSOR9.bas on tyhem to make them readable under os9 [D, then I copied them onto an os9 formated disk along with sterm.bin Sterm.ar but I cannot get AR to work. What am I doing wrong? Maybe I ned something called "Instructions for the complete idiot." or somet thanks , Dale A. Toyne There is 1 Reply. #: 9731 S1/General Interest 08-Mar-91 15:16:48 Sb: #9723-#Help with ar Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Dale Toyne 76304,2104 (X) Hi Dale. You already got the hard part done. Now set the file permissions on Ar, so that OS-9 will let you load, run, and/or delete it: attr /d1/ar e pe w You might also want to copy it to your CMDS dir. Or just load it with a full pathname, like load /d1/ar Okay, once you get it loadable, then you need to know how to use it... which is the semi-complicated part. Basically, you CHD to the directory where you want the broken-out files to end up. For example, let's say you downloaded sterm.ar to drive 0. First, make sure it has the ".ar" extension on the filename. Now, if you wanted to break it out to drive 1, you'd say: chd /d1 <== where files will go ar -x /d0/sterm <== where sterm.ar is now All the files will be de-archived to /d1. Ignore any "archive" errors; they're probably due to xmodem padding adding junk to the file and confusing ar. You can also do an "ar -t /d0/sterm" and check what files are in an archive first, if you wish. Yell if need help. - kev There is 1 Reply. #: 9737 S1/General Interest 09-Mar-91 01:02:40 Sb: #9731-#Help with ar Fm: Dale Toyne 76304,2104 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Thanks I'll give it a try an let you know how it works out, Appreciate the help. Thanks, Dale There is 1 Reply. #: 9738 S1/General Interest 09-Mar-91 02:58:18 Sb: #9737-#Help with ar Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Dale Toyne 76304,2104 (X) Okey-doe. Let us know if it works. Oh. Have you downloaded anything else, and did those work before? We'll figure it out (actually, more likely YOU will figure out, and let us know :-). cheers - kev There is 1 Reply. #: 9739 S1/General Interest 09-Mar-91 03:10:03 Sb: #9738-#Help with ar Fm: Dale Toyne 76304,2104 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) I downloaded pacman and your instructions worked great. But I still can't get STERM1.ar busted I get the message "ar cannot find sterm1.ar There is 1 Reply. #: 9742 S1/General Interest 09-Mar-91 13:02:56 Sb: #9739-#Help with ar Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Dale Toyne 76304,2104 (X) Hmm. Does "sterm1.ar" really have the ".ar" extension? Did you give a full path to it? (assuming you didn't break it out in the same disk/dir) Better do this: tell us which disk it's on, how many drives you have, etc. - kev There is 1 Reply. #: 9747 S1/General Interest 10-Mar-91 05:36:19 Sb: #9742-#Help with ar Fm: Dale Toyne 76304,2104 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) It has the ar extension. Its on /d1 and ar is on /d0/cmds. I try to bustt it and ar says it can't find it. I try to copy it and I get "n There is 1 Reply. #: 9748 S1/General Interest 10-Mar-91 05:39:37 Sb: #9747-#Help with ar Fm: Dale Toyne 76304,2104 To: Dale Toyne 76304,2104 (X) Half of my message got cut off. I get no permission when i try to copy the file sterm1.ar the attr's are set for public read, write, and ex There is 1 Reply. #: 9752 S1/General Interest 10-Mar-91 13:29:31 Sb: #9748-#Help with ar Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Dale Toyne 76304,2104 (X) Hmm. Has sterm.ar been copied to a real OS9 disk, like you did with Pacman? You should be able to chd /d1 ar -x sterm A "dir e /d1" shows sterm.ar, right? Ah, maybe you need to take off the execution permission? (I haven't checked to see if ar cares about that). There is 1 Reply. #: 9758 S1/General Interest 11-Mar-91 02:33:14 Sb: #9752-#Help with ar Fm: Dale Toyne 76304,2104 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) I can't get sterm1.ar copied to a real os9 disk. I was able to with Pacman but not with sterm. Sterm is still on the dosor9 disk. There is 1 Reply. #: 9759 S1/General Interest 11-Mar-91 02:36:36 Sb: #9758-Help with ar Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Dale Toyne 76304,2104 (X) Ouch. What kind of error do you get when you try to copy sterm.ar to an os9 disk? Also, what happens if you do an "ar -t /d1/sterm1" even with the dosor9 disk? #: 9743 S1/General Interest 09-Mar-91 21:59:06 Sb: #Erase Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 To: All Is there a utility available that will erase a file by writing zeros (or whatever) over the data before deleting it? Would be useful for security reasons. There is 1 Reply. #: 9744 S1/General Interest 09-Mar-91 23:12:16 Sb: #9743-#Erase Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X) I think I have indeed seen one--it is in the UG library, if memory serves. It wouldn't be hard to write one, for that matter; just get the file size, and write out that many zeroes, preferably a sector size or multiple thereof at a time (save for the last hunk, of course). There is 1 Reply. #: 9745 S1/General Interest 10-Mar-91 00:43:20 Sb: #9744-Erase Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) I'll take a look in the UG library, but hope someone can remember the file name so I don't have to BROwse for too long! Maybe I should take the time to write one, but I'm usually too busy writing text instead of programs. Thanks for the suggestion. #: 9753 S1/General Interest 10-Mar-91 15:15:05 Sb: #Packet Radio Fm: John Baer 71615,1175 To: ALL Hello all. I don't know if this question was asked before but, here goes. I was wondering if someone can give the information needed on the hardware/ software needed to connect OS-9 to "packit" radio? I know a cupple of "ham's" in my area, but they are using clone systems so that don't help any! If someone could point me in the right direction, any and all info you could give is GREATLY appreciated!!! Thanks in advance. John Baer 71615,1175 J There is 1 Reply. #: 9757 S1/General Interest 10-Mar-91 23:18:27 Sb: #9753-Packet Radio Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: John Baer 71615,1175 John, "Packet" (not 'Packit') radio is a general term that doesn't always tell exactly what you're going to be doing. If you're merely wanting to hook up your computer to a TNC and do real-time control of the TNC, to talk on the air, do the TNC controlling, etc, then any terminal program should work... as long as you are NOT using a standard RS-232 ROMPack (which requires that the Carrier Detect be held hi in order for incoming data to be passed along back to the computer). Since OS-9 is an operating system that operates on several different, very divergant, computer systems, you'll have to specify your hardware before we can tell you much more. Wayne #: 9760 S1/General Interest 11-Mar-91 04:13:46 Sb: #help with ar Fm: Dale Toyne 76304,2104 To: 76703,4227 (X) I think I've found the problem. But I still don't have the solution. Dosor9 didn't finish with the disk, it was ending with an FC error in 2330. I think it only wrote the directory and then ended because sterm1.ar was too long. When I tried to us it on sterm.ar it said "too fragmented" and ended. What now ?? There is 1 Reply. #: 9767 S1/General Interest 11-Mar-91 17:02:19 Sb: #9760-#help with ar Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Dale Toyne 76304,2104 (X) Dale - okay, that makes sense. Under rsdos, try copying the file to a fresh rsdos disk, so that it's not so broken up. Also, there's a newer dosor9 in the libs which handles files larger than 64K... that's the main prob. There is 1 Reply. #: 9770 S1/General Interest 12-Mar-91 01:42:03 Sb: #9767-help with ar Fm: Dale Toyne 76304,2104 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Thanks I'll get the newer dosor9 program and try that. I've already tried recop recopying to a brand new formatted disk and still too fragmented. thanks again, Dale #: 9771 S1/General Interest 12-Mar-91 03:25:02 Sb: #help with ar Fm: Dale Toyne 76304,2104 To: 76703,4227 (X) Success !!!!! The newer dosor9 program did the trick. Thanks a lot for all the help, I really appreciate it. Dale There is 1 Reply. #: 9773 S1/General Interest 12-Mar-91 14:55:23 Sb: #9771-help with ar Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Dale Toyne 76304,2104 (X) Excellent!! You did all the hard work tho. Thx for keeping at it! cheers - kev #: 9803 S1/General Interest 15-Mar-91 01:09:09 Sb: CoCoPRO!/Alpha Software Fm: Dave Myers 71750,210 To: all Mar. 14, 1991 For Immediate Release CoCoPRO! Products is pleased to announce the acquisition of Alpha Software Technologies and their fine line of OS-9/6809 software products. Included in the new lineup are Data Windows (full-featured database), Data Merger (mail-merger for use with Data Windows and/or your favorite wordprocessor), Presto Partner (RAM-resident desktop accessory package), Disk Manager Tree (complete control over directory structures), Multi-Menu (easily creates pop-down menus for Multivue), OS-9 Level 2 BBS (complete, ready-to-use bulletin board system), The Zapper (disk zapper for OS-9 lv. 1 or 2), and Level II Tools (25 useful tools to make your computing life easier). We are also pleased to announce the planned introduction (at the Chicago Rainbowfest) of a new OS-9/6809 product, II Tools II. This product will consist of a SECOND set of 25 useful tools and utilities for OS-9 lv 2, written by Keith Alphonso with the user's computing convenience in mind. This package will offer a great amount of flexibility to the OS-9 user, at an exceptional price for the value recieved. In other related announcements, we are excited to announce that in addition to our OS-9/6809 line (the abovementioned products, plus those of Burke & Burke and other vendors), we will be introducing a line of OS-9/68000 software in the very near future. Planned introductions include OSk versions of several of the Alpha Software products mentioned above, as well as a special OSk Tools package. For those users who own and are comfortable with the OS-9 versions of these products, the OSk versions will provide familiar software on a hardware platform which may be somewhat new to the user...and for those who do not own the OS-9 versions, this product line will offer time-tested utility to the relatively uncluttered OSk landscape. For product and purchasing information, as well as OSk product availibility, feel free to contact CoCoPRO! Products at (313) 481-3283 1-9 PM EST Mon-Fri, 1-7 PM Sat. a #: 9830 S1/General Interest 16-Mar-91 22:33:52 Sb: Order Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: Dave Myers 71750,210 Hi Dave, I have tried to access your BBS as I have done before to place a order and was unable to. I typed COCOPRO at login but couldn't get past the password. Has something been changed? Butch Mooney #: 9865 S1/General Interest 19-Mar-91 19:22:07 Sb: #OS-9/OS-9000 Features Fm: William Verthein 76557,3623 To: David L. Kaleita 72657,2775 (X) thanx for the advice Dave! I'll be looking forward to hearing from you on your OS-9000 experience. By the way, what is RAVE? I have sent Microware mail asking for them to mail me info to work and I haven't seen a thing for three weeks! I'm curious to know what you paid for OS-9000 for the 386 if you don't mind. One final question, are you getting OS-9000 for screwing around at home or are you considering using it for robotics? Once again thanx for your reply... wgv There is 1 Reply. #: 9874 S1/General Interest 20-Mar-91 17:03:20 Sb: #9865-#OS-9/OS-9000 Features Fm: David L. Kaleita 72657,2775 To: William Verthein 76557,3623 (X) William, I WAS planning on using OS-9000 for use in talking to the GM MAP network (their world-wide factory network) by writing a driver, but my company just announced that they are just about to go under and... well, I jumped ship and am starting work with a NEW company in a week which does military work. I may still do that MAP network stuff for GM though, but on a contract basis directly with GM. In the meantime, I'll be using OS-9000 at home for my own computing pleasure. I got the full-blown "PRO" version, which sells for $995 directly from Microware. The RAVE "DevPak" is another $750. By the way, RAVE stands for "Real-Time Audio/Video Environment" and provides a very elaborate set of tools for developing real time applications which use sound and/or graphics. Now for the down side: The present releases for PC/OS-9000 and RAVE require a very specific hardware configuration for your PC. First of all, your maching MUST be a 386 or 486 and have more than 640K of RAM. You MUST have at least one hard drive with a decent amount of free space on it. If your hard drive is SCSI, your controller card MUST be an Adaptek #1540. If you plan on ever running RAVE, your system MUST have an ATI VGA Wonder card with 512K of video RAM. And although the VGA Wonder+ card has a mouse port and comes with a bus mouse, you cannot use it. Instead, you must have a SERIAL mouse connected to COM1: or COM2: (Microware recommends the Logitech 3-button serial mouse for best results). Presently, PC/OS-9000/RAVE does not support any sound cards, but rumour has it that a driver for the Creative Labs' Sound Blaster card is forthcoming. I thought I had all of the above basis covered when I bought my machine, but alas, I wasn't aware of the Adaptek SCSI requirement and ended up with a card by Always Technology. I'm now trying to sell it back to my dealer so I can but the Adaptec. So so far, although I've had the stuff since last Friday, I still can't install it on my machine. There is 1 Reply. #: 9888 S1/General Interest 21-Mar-91 19:51:53 Sb: #9874-OS-9/OS-9000 Features Fm: William Verthein 76557,3623 To: David L. Kaleita 72657,2775 (X) Sorry to hear of your configuration woes david! I'm primarily interested in using os-9000 in an embedded environment. I'm sure I will need to develop on an os-9000 PC so your configuration problems are good things to know up front. Sorry about the job folding up, but I hope you'll keep me informed of your OS-9000 progress. I have a bunch of hard heads in my company that believe that only through a bare kernel can a programmer achieve oneness with the universe. Forget the fact that they spend man years redeveloping the wheel, it's the journey not the destination that thrills these masochists. I'm hoping to get as much info on full featured OS's like os-9000 so I can take some of the wind out of their sails. Keep me updated and good luck with your job and your OS-9000 system! wgv #: 9887 S1/General Interest 21-Mar-91 19:44:47 Sb: OS-9/OS-9000 Features Fm: William Verthein 76557,3623 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) thanx for the info james! #: 10014 S1/General Interest 27-Mar-91 18:37:42 Sb: OS-9/OS-9000 Features Fm: William Verthein 76557,3623 To: David L. Kaleita 72657,2775 (X) Thanx Dave, I'll try'em again... wgv #: 9889 S1/General Interest 21-Mar-91 20:41:25 Sb: #SLOT PACK FRYER Fm: STUART LIPOFF 76012,3173 To: all HELP! After attaching a Howard Medical Slot Pack to my COCO2 it is dead. I tried the same slot pack on a COCO3 and it prevented it from working while installed but the COCO3 worked again after I removed the slot pack. I have sent the slot pack back to Howard Medical for replacement but now need to fix my COCO2. I have ordered a service manual but prior to receiving the manual I would appreciate any hints about what went South. I tried a new 6809 processor chip but that was not it. It still does not work. I assume the VDG is OK since the attached monitor does have sync and displays a locked in pattern of nulls @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ and other garbage. Can anyone suggest which chips a faultly slot pack (i.e. multipack replacement) is likely to fry. There are 2 Replies. #: 9899 S1/General Interest 22-Mar-91 18:15:08 Sb: #9889-SLOT PACK FRYER Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: STUART LIPOFF 76012,3173 (X) It might be cheaper to get a whole used COCO2. The last one I bought cost $20. I will sell it to you if you want. Paul #: 9910 S1/General Interest 23-Mar-91 11:18:51 Sb: #9889-SLOT PACK FRYER Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: STUART LIPOFF 76012,3173 (X) If the cpu is fine, I'd opt for the SAM, then ram. Go much past that in chip replacement and a new CoCo3 is cheaper. Luck! Steve #: 9892 S1/General Interest 22-Mar-91 01:20:03 Sb: #9830-#Order Fm: Dave Myers 71750,210 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X) Hmmm...were you trying at the new BBS? Due to unreliable operation, we moved from the old system we were leasing space on (5-line Altos UNIX box, on its last legs ), to a new system, run on a trusty CoCo. This move was made in January, so if you tried at the old number, you would have likely gotten a msg after connect telling you that we moved. At any rate, the new BBS is (313) 292-4713. Is that the one you were trying? If so, I'll see what the problem could be. SORRY for any difficulties you've experienced, and thanks for taking the time to point out a potential problem. Dave Myers CoCoPRO! Products There is 1 Reply. #: 9893 S1/General Interest 22-Mar-91 06:01:15 Sb: #9892-Order Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: Dave Myers 71750,210 (X) Hi Dave, I was trying the old number. Thanks for you reply. Butch Mooney (Daniel Mooney) #: 9926 S1/General Interest 23-Mar-91 23:07:30 Sb: #SPELL2.PAK Fm: SIMMULE TURNER 70651,67 To: PAK Users Is the pak format only for 6809er's? I could not find the source in the DL's. Could someone repost spell2.pak in another format? AR, ARC, ZIP, ZOO, or anything that has source freely available. simmy There are 2 Replies. #: 9927 S1/General Interest 24-Mar-91 02:53:13 Sb: #9926-#SPELL2.PAK Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: SIMMULE TURNER 70651,67 (X) Simmy - I don't think the source for PAK is available, which is why I don't like it... reminds me of all those new Mac archive formats which are done via shareware private programs. Ridiculous! Actually, I wish CIS would come up with a standard format, and just stop there. The constant changing of archiving formats on other platforms just drives me nuts. There is 1 Reply. #: 9946 S1/General Interest 24-Mar-91 16:25:55 Sb: #9927-SPELL2.PAK Fm: SIMMULE TURNER 70651,67 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) I really hate those "unuseable" programs myself. The nice thing about "ar", is that you get source. BTW, I ported a version to MSDOS, and to Unix on Sparcs. I've been waiting from an okay from Carl before posting it. simmy #: 9936 S1/General Interest 24-Mar-91 11:58:24 Sb: #9926-#SPELL2.PAK Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: SIMMULE TURNER 70651,67 (X) How the _hell_ have you been? Long time no see/hear/talk! Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 9947 S1/General Interest 24-Mar-91 16:28:10 Sb: #9936-#SPELL2.PAK Fm: SIMMULE TURNER 70651,67 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Well I tried calling you last week, because I was out in Santa Monica, but the number I had was bad. I've been pretty busy at work, but I still log into CIS every week or two. How has your MIDI stuff been going? simmy There is 1 Reply. #: 9949 S1/General Interest 24-Mar-91 17:21:15 Sb: #9947-SPELL2.PAK Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: SIMMULE TURNER 70651,67 (X) Simmy - Are you ready for this? I moved into Simmy (actually SIMI) Valley, CA back in Sept. 89. New number is (805) 520-0972. Work is the same old number (818) 706-5693. MIDI? Out of control (grin)! Pete #: 10015 S1/General Interest 27-Mar-91 19:48:56 Sb: #S-Record format Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: All Does anybody have a testfile describing S-Record layout? I can't seem to unearth mine, and have a little project I need to knock out involving S-records. Thanks! Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10023 S1/General Interest 28-Mar-91 12:31:16 Sb: #10015-S-Record format Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Whoops - that's TEXT file..... Kevin? Pete #: 10029 S1/General Interest 28-Mar-91 19:32:49 Sb: #PROTO options Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Mike Ward 76703,2013 (X) Mike - A CIS Guru question for you, sir: Occasionally at work, I need to download a file to the Unix machine (usually a binary). I need to override my default 'B Plus' protocol setting and use Kermit. If I type: DOW/PROTO: KERMIT It complains of an unknown protocol (harumph). I end up popping over to DEFALT and requesting a protocol selection of SHOW MENU for that session (could just as well hard select Kermit at that point). Am I missing a trick here, or is the PROTO option braindead? Pete There are 2 Replies. #: 10033 S1/General Interest 28-Mar-91 21:20:47 Sb: #10029-PROTO options Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) I bet that you shouldn't have the space after the colon. :-) #: 10038 S1/General Interest 29-Mar-91 06:17:57 Sb: #10029-PROTO options Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Like James, the only thing I notice is the space after the ":". Other than that your command looks perfectly legit. If you snip me out a capture of that part of your session next time it happens I can give ya a better answer. #: 10039 S1/General Interest 29-Mar-91 12:40:36 Sb: #S Record Formats Found Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: All Some kind individual on the Internet mailed me Unix manual pages for the Motorola S-Record format that's used by EXBIN, BINEX, and some other utilities (like AS9 in the coco forum [thanks Dan!], which is a PC resident 6809 cross assembler). I've uploaded the information to the reference library DL here in the OS9 forum. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10115 S1/General Interest 04-Apr-91 22:59:50 Sb: #10039-#S Record Formats Found Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, this may be a bit late, but there is a very complete suite of routines for S-record and I-record in The C Users Journal, May, 1989, pg 27. There is 1 Reply. #: 10118 S1/General Interest 05-Apr-91 10:28:14 Sb: #10115-S Record Formats Found Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob - Thanks much.... I have already received some info from the 68xx'ers on USENET (about a dozen replies) that forwarded info & source. I uploaded some of what I got to the referenve library here. Thanks again! Pete #: 10044 S1/General Interest 29-Mar-91 19:08:37 Sb: New uploads Fm: Curtis boyle 71310,1271 To: all A couple of new uploads, one in the BBS/TSMon area and the other in Utilities (when they are approved anyways... ). One is an MTSMON package for fixed baud rate terminals (the one we are using at work with 8 terminals right now), and the other is a patch for SCF for adding a Setstat call for preloading the keyboard input buffer (great for making editors). It also includes Kevin Darlings Line editing SCF patches so you can patch off of the original SCF (stock from Tandy/Microware). #: 10048 S1/General Interest 29-Mar-91 22:02:09 Sb: #5.25" floppy weirdness Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: All To quote the Princess Leia character in *Hardware Wars*, "Help me, Augie ben Doggie--you're my only hope!" :-) I just got a new floppy disk drive that I am trying to run hooked up where my late lamented 5.25" floppy disk drive used to be connected, so that once I convince myself this new drive works, I will replace my remaining old floppy drive and put in a 3.5" floppy where the new 5.25" floppy is now. Now that that's cleared up :-)...the new floppy is supposed to be much like the old one--96 tpi, 80 track, double-sided, double-density. I set the drive select jumpers appropriately, made sure the terminator ("I'll be back...") was in the right place, and booted up. The old drive works; the new one goes wugga-wugga-wugga when I try to access it. (OTOH, it only comes on when it's reasonable to, so I know I don't have the cable on backwards, and the drive select is right.) I should have such luck as for the jumpers on this drive to be like the old ones--instead, I see by the four drive select jumpers one labeled "S", though the jumper *may* be covering the letter preceding. By the drive select jumpers and the "S" are three labeled "LD," "U1," and "U2", with the LD one jumpered. Off to one side are three jumpers labeled "HS," "HM," and "HL," none of which are jumpered. Does this sound familiar to anyone? I guess I'll try switching the drives, though I can't see that that would make any difference--there wouldn't be anything in the controller specific to drive 1 that would have been fried when the other old drive went south, would there? There is 1 Reply. #: 10052 S1/General Interest 30-Mar-91 02:53:21 Sb: #10048-5.25" floppy weirdness Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) At the least, I think you need HM jumpered, so that the head loads on motor-on (assuming the drive actually has head-load solenoid). Also, try it on the cable by itself and see what happens. luck! #: 10119 S1/General Interest 05-Apr-91 10:49:55 Sb: Printer 4 cheap Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: All I have an Okidata microline 92 sitting in the closet collecting dust (printer). It's a 9 pin with a NLQ mode (near letter quality.. approaches 24 pin appearance), does 180CPS, bottom and rear paper feeds, and uses inexpensive ($2 or so) reel ribbons. Essentially, it's a tank..never a glitch. I also have the optional tractor feed unit for it (pin feed an friction are standard). It has a parallel interface. I may have a Botek serial to parallel floating around as well, if needed. I'd like to reclaim the closet space and get $75 for it... any takers? Pete #: 10157 S1/General Interest 07-Apr-91 20:19:24 Sb: #MicroWare is where? Fm: William Verthein 76557,3623 To: ALL Where can I get info about OS-9000? I've seen mention of MicroWare. Are they online and what's the menu page? Thanx... wgv There is 1 Reply. #: 10308 S1/General Interest 16-Apr-91 19:06:31 Sb: #10157-MicroWare is where? Fm: Timothy J. Martin 71541,3611 To: William Verthein 76557,3623 Get information on Microware on CIS with GO MSC. #: 10191 S1/General Interest 10-Apr-91 19:35:09 Sb: #10119-Printer 4 cheap Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) ~ Pete, I'll take that Oki 92 off your hands, assuming that $75.00 takes the printer, tractor feed as well as the Botek interface, (and a manual for the printer?). Let me know how you'd like to handle the details. I can have a check in the mail as soon as I get you agreement. UPS-normal would be fine. #: 10209 S1/General Interest 11-Apr-91 11:37:01 Sb: #MMMAAA... Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: All Well folks .... I'll be offline for a few days. Taking off this afternoon for Las Vegas to get M.. umm MAAA... (ahem) MARRIED. We're headed out to Mike Haaland's place of employ (Stardust) for the next few nights. Going with another couple, who are old friends (and responsible for Marsha an I meeting each other). Getting married Friday at 3:30 in the afternoon, and then will probably head down to the couple's condo in Palm Springs for a day or two of sun and eating non-Iraqi dates ;^}. Should be back Tuesday. I feel strangely calm about all this after over 6 years of feet dragging. To say that Marsha has been patient would be an understatement. See you all on the 'other side'. Pete P.S. Kevin - you know this means that YOU'RE NEXT. There are 9 Replies. #: 10210 S1/General Interest 11-Apr-91 14:49:29 Sb: #10209-#MMMAAA... Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Wow.w.w.w.w - what an announcement - really enjoyed reading it! Congratulations and best wishes - enjoy yourselves! Ches. There is 1 Reply. #: 10213 S1/General Interest 11-Apr-91 17:12:01 Sb: #10210-MMMAAA... Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X) Thanks Ches! Pete #: 10211 S1/General Interest 11-Apr-91 15:18:50 Sb: #10209-#MMMAAA... Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Well, we know YOU're getting a good deal, but Marsha?.... Congratulations! There is 1 Reply. #: 10214 S1/General Interest 11-Apr-91 17:12:41 Sb: #10211-#MMMAAA... Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X) Ha ha! Hmm, mebbe I otter give Pam a call... Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10219 S1/General Interest 11-Apr-91 20:41:21 Sb: #10214-#MMMAAA... Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Ha! After 20 years, she KNOWS she got the bumm end of the deal! again.. congrats! There is 1 Reply. #: 10301 S1/General Interest 16-Apr-91 13:17:25 Sb: #10219-MMMAAA... Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X) Thanks Wayne... yeah, same here. Now I can quit my job, and lay around the house (grin)... I've already learned how to mutter mindless 'yes, dear's..... Pete #: 10212 S1/General Interest 11-Apr-91 16:14:21 Sb: #10209-#MMMAAA... Fm: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Congratulations Pete! All the best! Wendell There is 1 Reply. #: 10215 S1/General Interest 11-Apr-91 17:13:19 Sb: #10212-MMMAAA... Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 (X) Thanks Wendell.... (got the date? )! Pete #: 10216 S1/General Interest 11-Apr-91 18:02:52 Sb: #10209-#MMMAAA... Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Congratulations! (So are you taking something with you so you can dial up... maybe not. :-) I wouldn't call it foot dragging; I'd call it, uh, deliberation. Yeah. :-) So will you be at RAINBOWFest so we can congratulate you in person? There is 1 Reply. #: 10299 S1/General Interest 16-Apr-91 13:14:28 Sb: #10216-MMMAAA... Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) JJ - To paraphrase an old rec.humor punchline: "I'm a frayed knot". Between the Vegas/Palm Springs thing and a trip to Chicago to see the boy in late May, I fear that our travelling dance card (and vacation budget) is all but gone. Appreciate the congratulations, and the .. uh.. new perspective! Pete #: 10218 S1/General Interest 11-Apr-91 18:21:24 Sb: #10209-#MMMAAA... Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, Congrats guy! Many years of happiness for both of you! Danno There is 1 Reply. #: 10300 S1/General Interest 16-Apr-91 13:15:56 Sb: #10218-MMMAAA... Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X) Thanks Dan... we're off to a running start.. she did well in Vegas. I think Mike Haaland loosened up one of the slots just for her! (grin).. Pete P.S. Mike - don't tell Vinnie and Guido I said that! #: 10221 S1/General Interest 11-Apr-91 22:55:19 Sb: #10209-#MMMAAA... Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Auuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh! Pssst: no one tell my Marsha or I'll kill ya ;-). Congrats, Pete! There are 2 Replies. #: 10234 S1/General Interest 13-Apr-91 10:35:29 Sb: #10221-#MMMAAA... Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Kev, > (No one tell my Marsha....) Hmmmmmmmm...what's it worth to ya Darling (after all...I'm just a short 30 minute drive away from your destiny). Dan There is 1 Reply. #: 10260 S1/General Interest 14-Apr-91 17:24:41 Sb: #10234-#MMMAAA... Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X) Dan - too late... I told her myself, this morning . She thought they were already married. Nice try tho - kev There is 1 Reply. #: 10310 S1/General Interest 16-Apr-91 19:15:59 Sb: #10260-MMMAAA... Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Kev, Darn! Well....at least I didn't hold a couple of your cats hostage until I got what I wanted! (Although....I don't even know what that will be.) Dan #: 10302 S1/General Interest 16-Apr-91 13:18:47 Sb: #10221-#MMMAAA... Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Kevin - Thanks, Kev. Now where's your phone number.... hmm.. you guys are over the >10< year mark, arencha? Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10320 S1/General Interest 17-Apr-91 05:29:17 Sb: #10302-#MMMAAA... Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete - Heck, we're over the >15< year mark. Would hate to spoil things now ;-) There is 1 Reply. #: 10324 S1/General Interest 17-Apr-91 10:28:40 Sb: #10320-MMMAAA... Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) ..FIFTEEN...? I'm calling Mike Haaland today. You NEED to get to Vegas. (g) Pete #: 10236 S1/General Interest 13-Apr-91 10:41:25 Sb: #10209-#MMMAAA... Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Best wishes, Pete! Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10303 S1/General Interest 16-Apr-91 13:19:46 Sb: #10236-#MMMAAA... Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Thanks Steve! Feels pretty good so far. Then again, the week ain't out yet..... Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10315 S1/General Interest 16-Apr-91 22:39:38 Sb: #10303-#MMMAAA... Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete; > Thanks Steve! Feels prett good so far. Then again, the week ain't out > yet..... Don't worry... it only gets better! Take it from one who has walked a mile (or more) in your shoes! (watch out for those automatic "Yes, dear"s... they'll do ya in every time!) Congratulations to you and Marsha!! ...Jim There is 1 Reply. #: 10323 S1/General Interest 17-Apr-91 10:27:39 Sb: #10315-MMMAAA... Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X) Thanks Jim! Yep, she already has the "yes, dear"s fingered out. Durn. Pete #: 10264 S1/General Interest 14-Apr-91 19:53:13 Sb: #10209-#MMMAAA... Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Any body need a priest? --Brother Jeremy, CSJW There is 1 Reply. #: 10304 S1/General Interest 16-Apr-91 13:21:17 Sb: #10264-MMMAAA... Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X) Jeremy - Thanks, but we got it covered! We almost had to get the poor reverend to come to the Stardust though... I had some difficulty prying her away from the slots! Pete #: 10274 S1/General Interest 15-Apr-91 02:40:00 Sb: #10209-#MMMAAA... Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Congrats, Pete, and best wishes to you both -- Say howdy to Mike, Kim, and Michael Alexander for us! Best, Paul IMS There is 1 Reply. #: 10305 S1/General Interest 16-Apr-91 13:22:53 Sb: #10274-MMMAAA... Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Thanks Paul! Said hello to all three of the Haalands, and got a chance to see your 'baby' as well. Nice work! Pete #: 10225 S1/General Interest 12-Apr-91 09:31:41 Sb: clib bugs Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: all Recently there have been two bugs found in my 6809 library. One is in ctime() - I put it there when I fixed localtime(). The other is in the long division routine - it is Microware's bug. I will put up new versions of the libraries, but for those who don't want to download the whole thing for these two bugs, here are patches. For the ctime() problem: at offset $14c5 is 83 00 01 in both clib.l and clibt.l change that to 12 12 12 For the ldiv problem: at offset $617d is 6c 01 in clib.l or offset $7d02 is 6c 01 in clibt.l change that to 63 01 My apologies to all. Carl #: 10226 S1/General Interest 12-Apr-91 10:25:35 Sb: #9946-#SPELL2.PAK Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: SIMMULE TURNER 70651,67 (X) Hey Simmy - whatever happened to that tape of GNU stuff? Re: ar - why don't you send it to me. I have a vax version I am merging with my osk/sysV version before putting it back up here. Carl There is 1 Reply. #: 10405 S1/General Interest 22-Apr-91 22:56:21 Sb: #10226-SPELL2.PAK Fm: SIMMULE TURNER 70651,67 To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 I sent the stuff about 2-3 months. I'll make another copy of the GNU stuff, and the ar source. I mailed 'ar' to you from my workstation, so it could have gotten lost on the network. I'll give you a call tonight (4/22/91). simmy #: 10254 S1/General Interest 14-Apr-91 07:08:39 Sb: Print Color Fm: LARRY LANDON 73510,2536 To: All I need help finding a print driver for Phantompraph. I am using an NX1000 Rainbow printer. I can set the printer to IBM mode an in black and white but I would really like to print out graphs in color, it would inhance my written presentations. I have tried all the drivers around and nine of them work. It seems that the drivers in the program are dependent on the program its self. #: 10296 S1/General Interest 16-Apr-91 05:45:17 Sb: #Magnavox 8CM515 Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 To: ALL Does anybody know what the resolution of the Magnavox 8CM515 monitor is? There is 1 Reply. #: 10319 S1/General Interest 17-Apr-91 05:28:06 Sb: #10296-#Magnavox 8CM515 Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 (X) From memory only, it's 640x240. I think it was the 8CM505 which was only 40 column. If I'm wrong (and I very well could be!), I hope someone jumps in! There are 2 Replies. #: 10332 S1/General Interest 17-Apr-91 23:00:58 Sb: #10319-Magnavox 8CM515 Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Kevin (and Joerg) - right. I have the 8CM515 and its 640x240 or maybe 250? Anyway does fine on 80 col text and hi-res graphics with the COCO 3. I hope to plug it into a new MM/1 soon. JohnW #: 10342 S1/General Interest 18-Apr-91 21:07:27 Sb: #10319-Magnavox 8CM515 Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) So it's what's called in the MS world CGA. Thanks for the info. Joerg #: 10378 S1/General Interest 21-Apr-91 14:35:25 Sb: #Mouse Balls Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: All For those of you that think IBM is too stuffy, the following made it's way into my incoming mail - ------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: IBM Ball Replacement Abstract: Mouse Balls available as FRU (Field Replacement Unit) Mouse balls are now available as FRU. Therefore, if a mouse fails to operate or should perform erratically, it may need a ball replacement. Because of the delicate nature of this procedure, replacement of mouse balls should only be attempted by properly trained personnel. Before proceeding, determine the type of mouse balls by examining the underside of the mouse. Domestic balls will be larger and harder than foreign balls. Foreign balls can be replaced using the pop-off method. Domestic balls are replaced using the twist-off method. Mouse balls are not usually static sensitive. However, excessive handling can result in sudden discharge. Upon completion of ball replacement, the mouse may be used immediately. It is recommended that each replacer have a pair of spare balls for maintaining optimum customer satisfaction, and that any customer missing his balls should suspectmlocal personnel of removing these necessary items. To re-order, specify one of the following: P/N 33F8462 - Domestic Mouse balls P/N 33F8461 - Foreign Mouse balls --------------------------------------------g---------------------------- There is 1 Reply. #: 10385 S1/General Interest 22-Apr-91 06:49:07 Sb: #10378-Mouse Balls Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X) Heh-heh. Yeah, I love that one. Thanks for posting it too, as a friend was asking just the other day if anyone had a copy, and I had no idea where to get one from! #: 10379 S1/General Interest 21-Apr-91 14:36:28 Sb: #Iraqi missiles Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: All Now that Desert Storm is over, the story can finally be told... Inertial Guidance used in Iraqi missiles (for the layman) "...the missile inows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference,for deviation. The inertial guidance system uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is, to a position where it isn't, arriving at the position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position where it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position where it isn't. In the event that the position where it is now is not the position where it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation (variations are caused by external factors, and the discussion of these factors is not considered to be within the scope of this report). The variations being the difference between where the missile is and where the missile wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected for by the Mark II sys em, however the missile must know where it was also. The 'thought process' of the missile is as follows: because a variation has modified some of the information which the missile has obtained, it is not sur where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't (within reason) and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't (or vice-versa) and by differentiating this from the algebraic difference between where it shouldn't be and where it was, it is able to obtain the difference between it's deviation and it's variation, which is called ... error." ...This company also produces an extremely accurate 'command guidance system'... There is 1 Reply. #: 10386 S1/General Interest 22-Apr-91 06:50:00 Sb: #10379-Iraqi missiles Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X) A software manual writer must've written that report! ;-) #: 10384 S1/General Interest 22-Apr-91 00:43:51 Sb: #OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: ALL I know that OS-9 can address the CoCo3's cassette port since OS-9 can make use of the hi-res joystick interface. But since I have only one program which uses that interface, the cassette port goes almost totally unused. Can I use the cassette port for a third floppy drive, a hard drive, a RS232 pak, a printer, ordinary analog audio in or out, or just *something* useful? Since the CoCo is not exactly loaded with I/O ports and my 3-slot MPI can do only so much, I want to get the most of what ports I do have. Any ideas? There are 2 Replies. #: 10388 S1/General Interest 22-Apr-91 06:55:57 Sb: #10384-#OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) One problem might be that any sounds also use the joystick chips, and so it might be tough to use the cassette port for anything without possibly running into trouble. I think some have used the motor relay for things, tho. Just POKE'd from basic09 etc. That give you any ideas? There is 1 Reply. #: 10396 S1/General Interest 22-Apr-91 20:21:12 Sb: #10388-#OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) One, yes. I can use that relay to kick a bigger relay to turn on or off something a little bigger than a cassette recorder. I can have a PACKed procedure doing that in the background, perhaps based on the current system time or a command I might be able to create. Do you know what that POKE is? I have such a POKE that can be used in DECB, but I doubt that it would work in Basic09. There are 3 Replies. #: 10401 S1/General Interest 22-Apr-91 22:17:20 Sb: #10396-OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich - not offhand, tho I'd guess that the same poke would work just fine under basic09... it's to the hardware, of course. There may even be a command for toggling that relay someone uploaded. I'll look. Perhaps someone else with a better memory can check the poke address also. But give the one you have a shot and see if it works. #: 10408 S1/General Interest 22-Apr-91 23:20:49 Sb: #10396-OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich - Years ago I wrote a command (in C) called 'relay' that did what you wanted. It may still be in DL10 (or DL9). Also check the list of archived files in those DL's, as it may be offline now. Pete Lyall #: 10409 S1/General Interest 22-Apr-91 23:23:14 Sb: #10396-#OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Just checked... it's RELAY.AR in DL10. Source is included (meaning that you could derive the address of the POKE for your own reasons). Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10424 S1/General Interest 23-Apr-91 23:19:30 Sb: #10409-#OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Good thing the source code is there: I cannot unar files (or get a binary file to OS-9 *and* make it work). But if I could unar the ar'ed version, would I need RS's C Compiler to run it? I have tried to get that but was told they cannot get it. There is 1 Reply. #: 10429 S1/General Interest 24-Apr-91 11:12:40 Sb: #10424-#OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Yes and no... almost everything I ever posted included 1) Source 2) Executable binary ready to use and 3) Documentation. Next question: Why can't you un-AR files? No reason you shouldn't be able to. Do you have ar09.bin? Are you using an OS9 terminal program? In any case, we cannprobably get you from here to there if you give a detailed description of the problems you're having. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10438 S1/General Interest 24-Apr-91 14:28:17 Sb: #10429-#OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) I thought your RELAY pgm had a RELAY.ASM in ASCII (as does DMODE.ASM). After reading your msg I found that was not the case, so I cannot presently access your program at all. I tried getting AR09.BIN but could never get it to work. I cannot get the current sterm since I cannot unar the ar'ed files and the unar'ed is over 100K; my limit is 40319 bytes. An earlier sterm was sent to me unar'ed via CISmail. I got it DOSOR9ed but cannot make it work on a true OS-9 formatted disk. Several threads in the CoCo Forum describe what the problems are and what I have done so far. These include "ar Problems", "OS-9 reCONFIG", "Preparing /d0/sterm" and one or two others. Set your message age selection far enough back to search and read. I think 60 days is far enough back. But if I don't get this resolved fairly soon I I will just have to call downloading anything from this forum (and others with OS-9 pgms) to be a lost cause. There is 1 Reply. #: 10439 S1/General Interest 24-Apr-91 17:26:14 Sb: #10438-#OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) FWIW, those discussions should have been held here. What better place to receive OS9 assistance than the OS9 Forum? For starters, I'm making the following assumptions. Correct me where I'm off: a) You're using a RSDOS based terminal package b) You're using DOSOR9.BAS to move the files Strategy: grab a small os9 terminal package that's tried & true to go after the bigger stuff. Preparation: You will need to have the IRQ Hack installed in your RS232 pak in order to get satisfactory serial I/O under os9. Read the file in DL2 called SERIAL.TXT for background. I may also have a separate file up there called IRQHAK.TXT. Again - READ this/these for background. Action: use your terminal program to go after Xcom9I.BIN (xcom9 - am Xmodem capable terminal program that runs under os9 LI or LII), Xcom97.txt (the basic manual for it) and Xcomch.txt to see what the special tweaks in Xcom9i.bin are. All are plenty small enough to fit in 40K. Next, use DOSOR9 to get Xcom9i.bin over to your os9 disk. Name it 'xcom9' and place it in your /d0/cmds directory. Having done that, type: ATTR /D0/CMDS/Xcom9 e pe [enter]. Read through the two Xcom9 doc files. Ensure that you have the IRQ hack installed. For those fearful of soldering, a jumper clip may be used (wire with dip hooks on each end) instead. Set your T2 descriptor to the appropriate baud rate using Xmode (note: DON'T 'INIZ T2' before you do this). Then start up Xcom9 like this: Xcom9 /t2 [enter] Xcom9 should start up and give you a status line. Don't worry about the display. You can simply type the dial command you use to get onto CIS (ex: ATDT5551212[enter]). Once you've connected & logged on, you can initiate an Xmodem download of a file by typing: DOW filenm.ext/proto:xmodem (from within the libraries of course). Then setup Xcom9 to receive the file by typing the command key (either Clear or CTRL @), X (for Xmodem), R (for receive), and probably B for binary (forget....). You can now download directly to disk any sized file that will fit there. I'd reccommend AR09.Bin and the Sterm package for starters. Pete Lyall There is 1 Reply. #: 10445 S1/General Interest 24-Apr-91 23:05:07 Sb: #10439-#OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) My terminal program is Mikeyterm 4.7 running under DECB. I transfer text files with TRSCOPY and binary files by DOSOR9.BAS. I do not have a RS232 pak; I am using the DC modem pak. I know that can be converted to a RS232 pak, but I will lose my modem if I do that. I have never successfully exported to OS-9 a pure binary file. If I run Ident on the DOSOR9ed file, I ALWAYS get a Module header is incorrect! message, even if the CRC is good (it usually is good). Once I Copy the file to a disk that was formatted by OS-9, and then run Ident on the copied file, I ALWAYS get a Moudule header is incorrect! message and nothing else. If I try to load it anyway, I will get an illegal module error message. The only hope I see is getting a ASCII Basic09 "loader" that will "create" the program. There is 1 Reply. #: 10453 S1/General Interest 25-Apr-91 09:48:58 Sb: #10445-#OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) IF you are getting MODULE HEADER INCORRECT, it could very well be that the file has Xmodem padding (xmodem rounds all files it transfers out so that they are a multiple of 128 bytes in length). When you do IDENT on a file, IDENT reads the module header, grabs the length and crc information, and then reads that far into the file to see if the CRC is correct up to that point. If it is, and if it is not at end of file, ident assumes that you have merged multiple modules into a single file (which is perfectly fine). It then goes on to read the next module header, but instead of seeing $87CD (header start bytes for os9/6809), it sees Xmodem padding and complains that MODULE HEADER IS INCORRECT. This may well be your problem. The fix for this is easy: 1. Move the file to your CMDS directory 2. Set its attributes to E and PE 3. Load the module (it's in memory now) 4. Delete the 'padded' copy in your CMDS directory 5. Use the SAVE command to save a copy back out to disk Note: this is not REQUIRED. The LOAD command will only load in as many bytes as look legitimate (i.e. length) anyway, so you could run programs even though they have padding on them in the interim. Merging with padded files wouldn't work though. If you need a copy of the SAVE command (LII didn't have one), there's a PD copy in DL9 or DL10. If you're using LII and have Virq's active (you do unless you changed something) and have the M1 descriptor and its driver in place, you should probably be able to use the Modempak under os9 as well. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10461 S1/General Interest 25-Apr-91 16:51:08 Sb: #10453-OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 On the CoCo Forum, I have been told about the XMODEM padding. When I try to load these files, I get ERROR 205 (Illegal Module Header). I thought I didn't have a SAVE but in actuality I do. The DC modem pak can be used under OS-9 IF the module MODPAK is present. When I reCONGIGed to add /m1, ACIAPAK made it to the new disk but MODPAK did not. I re-reCONFIGed adding /m2 and did get MODPAK. Beyond Basic09, I have not been merging modules. My OS-9 is LII. This may soon be moot, however: this morning, CoCo Fourm sysop Steve Wegert offered to USMail me a copy of Sterm (no version specified). If that doesn't do the trick, nothing will. So I might be getting up and running after all. #: 10389 S1/General Interest 22-Apr-91 06:57:18 Sb: #10384-#OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Oh yeah. A coupla years back someone wrote an article for Modern Electronics, where he converted the joystick port to an rs232 interface... even included a L-I driver for it in the magazine! Dunno if I still have it. There is 1 Reply. #: 10397 S1/General Interest 22-Apr-91 20:23:45 Sb: #10389-#OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Now that's more like it. If you can at least get an approximate issue date I would prob be able to find it in the local library or order it from them. There is 1 Reply. #: 10402 S1/General Interest 22-Apr-91 22:20:09 Sb: #10397-OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Yikes . I bet I put that issue in storage a while back. I do recall that it was one of the first issues of the new Modern Electronics (there was an old ME which died many years ago). If I find it tho, I'll yell. #: 10443 S1/General Interest 24-Apr-91 22:55:17 Sb: the Fest Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 To: All Well guys the waiting is almost over and my nerves are raw. The #$%@#$ fest is once again upon us. I am as ready as I will be... which is to say I am 'not' ready. However I will never be ready for these things, seems like a few extra days would always help when in realality(sp?) it wouldn't. It's just like money, time that is, no matter how much of it you have, you can always use more. We only have two booths at the show and that will not be enough to show all the new goodies we will have. The TIGER will be the big hit of the show and to find out about it you will have to go. We will have a VERY special deal on the TC70 AT the show BUT if you call by next Tuesday you can get it too. I won't tell you what these are because my competition gets on here too. BUT I'm sure that fellows that go to the show will post the info. If not you can call Monday or Tuesday and we will tell you the deal. I'll be back on after the show, have to get some sleep before the long drive in the morning. Hope to see you there. Frank Hogg #: 10446 S1/General Interest 24-Apr-91 23:49:28 Sb: #Finance Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: All Does anybody know of any financial calculator/amortization type programs in the LIBS here? I did a quick bro key:calculator in DL9 and the UG lib but didn't turn up anything. Anybody remember the formulae for calculating loan amortization? I used to have some cookbooks around, but can't find them anymore. Thanks, ....Jim There is 1 Reply. #: 10454 S1/General Interest 25-Apr-91 09:52:48 Sb: #10446-Finance Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 Jim - There's a reasonably good RPN calculator there (or it should be there). Much as I hate real RPN calculators, I use it (and have ported it to both Unix and DOS) for quickie calculations. Might also want to scan the UGLIB. Pete #: 10465 S1/General Interest 25-Apr-91 23:12:33 Sb: #10461-#OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Very well. BTW, error #205 is a whole different story. That usually means the header is garbage, and not just INCORRECT. Have you tried looking at DUMPs of the offending file/modules to see what they head in there? Look for telltale signs like 8th bit stripping, etc. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10469 S1/General Interest 26-Apr-91 00:51:01 Sb: #10465-#OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) I still have all those files on disk. I'll see what I can do with that technique. If I do spot the problem, what will it take to fix it? I cannot use DED since it is ar'ed and I can't get unar files because I don't have sterm (yet) because I can't make the modules work (so far).... Once I do get Sterm, I can, of course, go get AR09.BIN, DED, and whatever else, so I want to see if I can do something in the interim. And if I can do something now, it would be a good experience to tackle it (just like when I used DSKI$ and DSKO$ on a DECB disk to get a better idea of how the file allocation table is put together). There is 1 Reply. #: 10473 S1/General Interest 26-Apr-91 10:47:03 Sb: #10469-#OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Right for now, let's concentrate on seeing what's there. We may be able to diagnose the problem looking at the file. Fixing it is a separate stage. ;^}. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10474 S1/General Interest 26-Apr-91 13:51:47 Sb: #10473-#OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) I looked at a DUMP of the file. I didn't know what I should see, but I did at least see sterm at the top, so I know something is probably OK. Going back to the orig. question of this thread, I tried my DECB POKEs under Basic09. They worked. So I created a short procedure and PACKed it with redirection to the cmds directory. I ran ident on it and found how short that thing is: Module size 63. I did it without parameters being passed to the procedure. It just looks at the memory address and POKEs the opposite value. The entire operation took less than 10 minutes. Maybe I'll upload the source code anyway. There is 1 Reply. #: 10476 S1/General Interest 26-Apr-91 17:21:36 Sb: #10474-OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) One caution messing with the cassette port/PIA's: make sure you only mess with the BIT(s) you're conncerned with. A lot of other stuff is also controlled at the PIA level. Pete #: 10486 S1/General Interest 28-Apr-91 07:17:58 Sb: #10439-OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 ~ 25 April Pete, A VERY good response, but if I remember correctly, xcom9 has to have the ASCII filter turned OFF for a successful XModem transfer? BTW, I checked the DLs, and could not locate X102.ar, or any other files with a keyword of x10, or a filename starting with "X", which included the source for you X10 package... any idea who might have a copy of the source? #: 10483 S1/General Interest 28-Apr-91 00:07:48 Sb: my articles Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464 To: all Hey y'all ... I found my original article on the GrfDrv patches ... this includes why we cannot have a 225-line graphics mode (we *can* have a 28-line text mode), but it carefully describes how Level-2 can be modified to support a 225-line graphics mode. Primarily for the "new level-2" dudes if we can get y'all to read it before it's too late. It also describes the bugs in the ACVC/GIME chip, including the newest chip I've been able to order. Now this file completes everything I've been uploading and have been wanting to get responses on ... I'm still waiting for any kind of specific responses on all of my articles! I've not gotten any help on Delphi, either, and/but I was expecting CIS to have the smart dudes here! These "questions" I have are way too big for the forums, and that's why I bothered to type them into "articles". A few of these articles are already several months old. I'm suspecting there's just not any interested anywhere. Or it could be that several months are not long enough to digest them. Or y'all don't know the articles are here (been missing/skipping my "To: All" messages here!). Or perhaps the CoCo REALLY IS DEAD AND BURIED. My check for renewing my OS9UG membership got sent back, saying they're being restructured. I.e. CIS is my last hope for input on the projects I'm trying to get going. -- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464). #: 10485 S1/General Interest 28-Apr-91 07:16:57 Sb: #10446-Finance Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 ~ I've got a fairly good amortization program which I ported from MS-DOG to BASIC09. You're welcome to it. It'll probably be easiest, (i.e. cheapest), to mail it to you, so leave me your address in Email if you want it. Press !> #: 10487 S1/General Interest 28-Apr-91 13:21:46 Sb: #OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Here is the source code I used for the relay program. PROCEDURE CassRelay V=PEEK(65313) IF V=60 THEN POKE 65313,52 ELSE POKE 65313,60 ENDIF END I haven't had any problems with this PACKed procedure so far. Do you foresee any? There is 1 Reply. #: 10492 S1/General Interest 28-Apr-91 17:20:03 Sb: #10487-#OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Yep - I don't recall if the cassette is controlled from one of the PIA port or PIA control bits. In either case, the preferable method is to take what you PEEK at that location, use AND to clear or OR to set the appropriate bits, and the POKE the updated value (believe that they are LAND and LOR, or something like that in B09). Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10499 S1/General Interest 28-Apr-91 20:37:06 Sb: #10492-OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Do you have more detail on this? I (obviously) still have a weak knowledge of programming within OS-9. #: 10491 S1/General Interest 28-Apr-91 17:16:36 Sb: #10486-OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 (X) Chris - It's possible that Mike Ward has them archived offline. He'll reupload them if that's the case. Not in DL6 eh? Hmmm... Pete #: 10494 S1/General Interest 28-Apr-91 17:33:33 Sb: #10486-#OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 (X) Chris - Just checked... DL6 has X10.txt and X10ar1.ar (bins & docs), but X10ar2.ar is probably archived. A note to Mike Ward at 76703,2013 should get it back online for you. Pete P.S. It's a behemoth. Took over 20-30 minutes to compile on the Gimix @ 2.25MHZ. That's why all the .r files are included. There are 2 Replies. #: 10498 S1/General Interest 28-Apr-91 19:45:34 Sb: #10494-#OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) I may have them as well, Pete. If Mike can't dig 'em up.... I'll take stroll through the hard disk. Steve There are 2 Replies. #: 10508 S1/General Interest 29-Apr-91 09:29:23 Sb: #10498-#OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) I don't gots 'em in me archives. There is 1 Reply. #: 10518 S1/General Interest 29-Apr-91 19:58:32 Sb: #10508-OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Mike Ward 76703,2013 (X) I may have been too hasty myself ... found the executable and docs, but no sign of source .....yet. I have 'files' working in the background as I type. Let's see what he finds! Steve #: 10526 S1/General Interest 30-Apr-91 08:19:05 Sb: #10498-#OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, If you can't find it, I'm sure I have it around here somewhere, but its on one of many, many floppies, so let me know and I'll search for it. Bill There is 1 Reply. #: 10533 S1/General Interest 01-May-91 07:45:32 Sb: #10526-OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) Better take a look, Bill. Things look bleak at this end. Steve #: 10514 S1/General Interest 29-Apr-91 16:29:29 Sb: #10494-OS-9 and the Cass Port Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) OK, Pete. Thanks for checking. I'll drop a note to Mike. #: 10496 S1/General Interest 28-Apr-91 19:41:20 Sb: #10483-#my articles Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X) Paul, Rather than dumping many issues into a file that needs to be downloaded for complete understanding, why not allow the message base to deal with one issue at a time. I'm certain you'll find many folk willing to dash off a reply to a message thread before they'll take the time to digest issue files. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10523 S1/General Interest 29-Apr-91 23:25:28 Sb: #10496-my articles Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) I had several "threads" started here, one for each issue. Kevin, for example, replied to the TMRDRV.TXT thread and -- while I appreciate his time -- it didn't help one bit because I need some details. And CIS won't let me upload an entire 17k MESSAGE of what we are discussing in our brain-storming sessions at my place! Hence the "articles". I uploaded many of these articles several months ago on both CIS and Delphi. Most of the users on Delphi actually took the time to tell me they couldn't help. Contrast that to the "dead air" I'm getting here. I had hoped CIS would be a "better" place to discuss this, since the gurus "live" here and how CIS costs so much more than Delphi & GEnie (which *is* carrying a *very* dead CoCo/OS9 sections). Now, someone knows how these new OSK machines work. Paul Ward hasn't mentioned any specifics at all, and I know Frank Hogg and the "Delmar" Ed frequent this place, too. Am I to understand that NO OTHER 68K machine has hardware timers akin to the 12-bitter in the CoCo3? Am I to understand that there is no Microware-defined SVCs for the specific calls I have mentioned in my articles? Do I take this lack of response as that no one knows what I'm talking about? Do y'all understand why I am perplexed concerning the lack of responses I'm getting? At least people should say "something" rather than "nothing", or give me some ideas where to go write for such info. I'm getting "none of the above" type of help from everyone here! I wish I didn't need to get this upset, but I think this PRECISELY shows why OS9 is such a dead system, and why it shows OSK will *soon* BE a dead system. Don't mean to belittle anyone ... but I *am* starting to wonder. I'm one who wants to "do" things rather than wait for someone to come up with something useful. I have bought everyone's books on OS9 and I'm still very much in creating some new leading-edge ideas and projects (at Okla.D.O.T. we sometimes say "bleeding edge" ideas!). I know I can do these projects -- but I need a lot of input. And of course I do plan on sharing everything for free. -- Thx, Paul S. #: 10497 S1/General Interest 28-Apr-91 19:43:33 Sb: #10485-#Finance Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 (X) Chris, Mail is cheaper than free upload time? Hmmmmm ..... I for one would like to see the program as well. Why not take a few moments and upload the file for those of us who choose not to wait for the postman? Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10515 S1/General Interest 29-Apr-91 16:31:14 Sb: #10497-#Finance Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Well, I suppose that since the original appeared in CS, that it is copyright. And I assume that strictly speaking it is a no-no to upload it here? There is 1 Reply. #: 10519 S1/General Interest 29-Apr-91 20:04:26 Sb: #10515-Finance Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 (X) Could be, Chris.... was there a copyright notice in the source listing? A restriction on distribution, perhaps? I would be surprised if something as generic as an amortization program would be restricted ...however, when in doubt err to the conservative. Don't post it unless you know you're in the clear. Steve #: 10502 S1/General Interest 28-Apr-91 21:32:00 Sb: #10405-SPELL2.PAK Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: SIMMULE TURNER 70651,67 Thanks for the call. Nice to talk to you again. I just got another port going on the 030 here and I found ar stuff in the mail when I logged on to test the port. I will get it merged with the other versions and put it back up here. Thanks again. Carl #: 10520 S1/General Interest 29-Apr-91 21:02:41 Sb: X10 source AR Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve - If you folks can't find it, Carl Kreider may have a copy of the X10 source package. Pete #: 10534 S1/General Interest 01-May-91 07:54:32 Sb: #'fest a bust or what? Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: All Geez, I guess I have to ask .... :-( How was the 'fest? I would have thought someone would have posted a min review by now for those of us that couldn't make it. Did all 3 OSK entries make their grand entrance? Anything else worthy of note? Inquiring minds want to know! Steve There are 2 Replies. #: 10538 S1/General Interest 01-May-91 19:57:46 Sb: #10534-'fest a bust or what? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 Well, let's see. Mike Knudsen's two-part review that showed up in the BITNET mailing list will, no doubt, appear in the DL, but my recollections are as follows: 1. I was rushed, so I didn't get a chance to see things in as much detail as I'd have liked--for example, I should've played with the Tomcats on display and asked whether the TC9s could run non-OS-9 software yet. (I don't want to run any such software, but I am curious to see it actually work.) 2. I didn't make it to all the discussions--in particular, I didn't get to what appears now to be a traditional panel discussion featuring FHL, Delmar, and IMS representatives. I did catch the tail end of it, though, and I was struck by two consecutive questions among the last few. One: can we hook up our old CoCo hardware to your machines? Two: when the world goes for 64-bit stuff, can we still use your machines? (If I were a manufacturer or seller of systems, I think I'd be pulling my hair at that point.) 3. There were fewer but bigger booths--eighteen, I think. Still some interesting stuff, though: Burke**2 was showing stuff to hook up a scanner to a CoCo; FHL now sells Ultrascience's products, and was advertising a cheap 68000 board as a TC9 speedup; IMS was showing various demos on MM/1s, including a very interesting thing that looked like a frame grabber that Tony DiStefano had hooked up to a camera on one end and an MM/1 on the other, if I observed correctly; Delmar was showing various demos on their systems (some sound from a Soundblaster, if I remember rightly). Tandy was selling CoCo stuff for *real* cheap--I hesitated about buying an Orchestra-90 and a guy said OK, I'll let you have 20 of them for $10 (!?!). I turned him down, because I didn't know how I'd get them all home! (Oops! I should say "inexpensive," not "cheap;" don't want to give the wrong impression about FHL's board!) Perhaps of mainly personal interest, I picked up most of my MM/1 kit--still waiting for a slight assembly bogosity (the assemblers used substitute parts where they shouldn't have) in the second board to be corrected, but that shouldn't take long #: 10539 S1/General Interest 01-May-91 20:01:16 Sb: #10534-'fest a bust or what? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 ..oops, went over the limit. Anyway--it shouldn't be long before the extra 2 Mbytes of RAM and the SCSI drive that are calling to me are connected and running, and then I'll be an even happier camper than I am now. Met lotsa nice folks, including Brother Jeremy (nice tabard and tunic, and a most pleasant person). Had fun. What more could I ask? (Well, it would have been nice to stay longer; next time I'll resist the temptation to stay with friends, despite the hotel bill and even though they are good friends.) #: 10570 S1/General Interest 03-May-91 22:36:04 Sb: #10567-X10 source AR Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob - I wonder if it's stuff that Carl K. took from my 6809 stuff and ported to 68k? Pete P.S. X10ar2.ar has been located (thanks Bill!) and re-uploaded to DL6. #: 10589 S1/General Interest 05-May-91 20:11:42 Sb: #10483-#my articles Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X) I'm new to the service and not very agile. Could you tell me where to find these articles? Very interested esp. in CoCo bugs. Thanx, Rick Ulland 70540,3305 There is 1 Reply. #: 10649 S1/General Interest 11-May-91 22:26:36 Sb: #10589-#my articles Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464 To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X) Hi Rick, Lessee the quickest way to scan for my files would be to use the following command while in any particular LIBrary: BRO *.*[76476,464] Just like that. That'll show you everything I've uploaded with my CIS ID. The articles are spread around in different libraries since they cover different topics, some CoCo-specific, some generic. I have some files in LIB 2 Tutorial, LIB 4 MIDI, LIB 7 Telecom, LIB 9 Utilities, and of course LIB 10 OS9/CoCo. I've uploaded these same files to Delphi (and GEnie I *think*) so it might be cheaper to call those places and get these files if you'd rather. (I *wish* the OS9 Users Group would consider "moving" to a cheaper place to "live".) Lemme know what ya think! -- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464). There is 1 Reply. #: 10663 S1/General Interest 13-May-91 06:44:42 Sb: #10649-my articles Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X) Paul, Just for your info...another (shorter) way is: s [76476,464] But then we're talking just a couple of keystrokes, eh? Dan #: 10598 S1/General Interest 06-May-91 19:13:55 Sb: #10554-#'fest a bust or what? Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) ~ Kevin, I was talking to Kent Meyers last night, and both he and I are of the opinion that Las Vegas is a better choice (for us) than is Atlantic City. On the other hand, I think both of us and many others are crazy enough to show up wherever and whenever a 'Fest is held. Just as long as we get sufficient advance notice, and there aren't too many 'Fests in close succession. Bruce There is 1 Reply. #: 10600 S1/General Interest 07-May-91 03:16:15 Sb: #10598-#'fest a bust or what? Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X) Bruce - as it turns out, I heard the Chicago coco club may be willing to put on a fest next year (assuming Rainbow doesn't). So that would give us Chicago and Atlanta. Guess no one else thinks Vegas/Atlantic City are good ideas . Drat. There are 3 Replies. #: 10601 S1/General Interest 07-May-91 09:53:26 Sb: #10600-#'fest a bust or what? Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) I bet Mike Haaland thinks it's a good idea, and so do I. I'll come if you have it in Las Vegas. Retaining 'Fests' in the Eastern 1/3 of the U.S. is somewhat discriminatory, no? Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10604 S1/General Interest 07-May-91 11:10:10 Sb: #10601-#'fest a bust or what? Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Yah, fests only in the East are discriminatory... but everyone is convincing me that western fests have never done well at all (I dunno.. never went to one; altho the FtWorth fest was kinda slim, and I heard the L.A. fest was too). The argument seems to be: you need lots of local people to count on. ? There is 1 Reply. #: 10606 S1/General Interest 07-May-91 16:27:43 Sb: #10604-#'fest a bust or what? Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Whatever..... offer stands though: have it in Lost Wages and I'll be there. 'Sides - LV is _lots_ more fun than Schaumburg (speaking both as a past fest attendee there, and past Motorola employee....). Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10608 S1/General Interest 07-May-91 18:11:30 Sb: #10606-'fest a bust or what? Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) HA! That's what _I_ said: Las Vegas would be a lot more fun! #: 10611 S1/General Interest 07-May-91 21:13:37 Sb: #10600-#'fest a bust or what? Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Hey Kevin, How about Memphis? Y'see, that way I could talk my favorite travelling companion into coming along. I could go to all the seminars, and she could hang out at Graceland. :) There is 1 Reply. #: 10617 S1/General Interest 07-May-91 23:15:24 Sb: #10611-'fest a bust or what? Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X) Memphis, eh? Got a club there to do it? Hey... was going thru TN on the way back from the fest, of course, and got a big laugh on the Interstate when a very dirty truck passed me: On the back, scrawled into the dusty door, was this - "Elvis is alive and inside this trailer" #: 10645 S1/General Interest 11-May-91 15:34:26 Sb: #10600-#'fest a bust or what? Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) KD> Bruce - as it turns out, I heard the Chicago coco club may be willing to KD> put on a fest next year (assuming Rainbow doesn't). So that would give KD> us Chicago and Atlanta. KD> KD> Guess no one else thinks Vegas/Atlantic City are good ideas . Drat. Kevin, Oh well, I saw a couple of positive responses about LV, so maybe it'll work out. Who knows. In the mean time, I can probably get to the Atlanta 'Fest in October. I also just heard (via FIDO) about a PNW 'Fest: MESSAGE #: 243 of 365 FROM: Chris Johnson TO: All Subject: Northwest CoCo/OS9 Meeting Date: 24 Apr 91 10:53:38 Members of the Port Orchard CoCo/OS9 user group are planning to hold a Northwest CoCo Computer Fest in Port Orchard on the evening of June 21st (informal) and seminars on Saturday, June 22nd to about 1 in the afternoon. The whole family is welcome because a huge circus will be in town June 21st for two performances at 2 P.M. and 8 P.M. The Carson & Barnes circus is the largest tent circus in the world with 5 rings of action and excitement. For those family members not into computers it's a great way to have something for everyone. More details coming. Write to Donald Zimmerman for further details (3046 Banner Rd SE, Port Orchard, WA 98366, enclose SASE) or reply here to Chris Johnson for additional information. --- Opus-CBCS 1.14 * Origin: Awakening_BBS 206-582-5579 Tacoma_WA *HST (1:138/102.0) What do you think? Will we see you and Marsha out in the rain forest this June? Bruce There is 1 Reply. #: 10699 S1/General Interest 16-May-91 16:10:53 Sb: #10645-#'fest a bust or what? Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X) Gosh, I -wish-. Sounds like a fun time (and as you know, Marsha and I were stationed at Tacoma for about 8 months in the Army). You going to it? We do plan to go to our parent's 45th anniversary this July out in Colorado Springs... I hear the local coco club is mostly rsdos types. Might have to stop in on them ;-). There is 1 Reply. #: 10733 S1/General Interest 18-May-91 16:41:13 Sb: #10699-'fest a bust or what? Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) ~ Kevin, I'm not sure whether I'll be going to the PNW CoCo Fest. If I can manage it (meaning if I can find the time and money) I'd sure like to go. Bruce #: 10832 S1/General Interest 25-May-91 12:33:00 Sb: #10554-#'fest a bust or what? Fm: Eric A. Cottrell [WIT] 76327,515 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Hi Kevin, Well if I had a choice of Vegas or Atlantic City for the next fest, then I would choose Atlantic City. This is a purely prejusticed decision based on location. Our company recently held a conference in Vegas. An interesting observation was that the room rates at non-gaming hotels were double gaming ones. We had to choose a non-gaming one so that our client companies would approve sending people to the conference. I assume the fest is not under such restrictions. 73 Eric... There is 1 Reply. #: 10840 S1/General Interest 26-May-91 09:04:42 Sb: #10832-'fest a bust or what? Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 To: Eric A. Cottrell [WIT] 76327,515 (X) ~ Yeah, I know! The whole reason the rooms are cheaper at 'Gaming' hotels is exactly that. Gaming supports the hotels. The Non-Gaming resorts can't pay the overhead if they try to compete with Gaming resort room rates. And you should see the rates for those that 'play'!!! Dirt cheap! 'Cause they know you'll more than pay for the room at the tables. Atlantic City? I didn't even know they had Hotels! Besides gambling, what is there to do in AC? Oh, that's right, Drive to New York, right? Vegas would be the perfect City for a West Coast Fest. 'Cause it's durn cheap to get here from anywhere, and with $4.95 prime rib and $6.95 steak and lobster, plus tons of $25 to $50 rooms, How can you go wrong? You won't find AC like Vegas. Anyone been there lately? I'm curious about AC pricing. I'm sure folks can get a great deal on airfare from they're local travel agents. Only problem with Vegas, is there is no large CoCo user base here, But we do have "Multi-Tasking for non-Rocket scientists"' Bill Vergona! BTW, Comdex is in Atlanta in the spring, and Las Vegas in the fall! We could schedule an LVFest right before or after COMDEX so CoCo folks could go to both in one trip. Hey! and we could all go to a Runnin' Rebel game! Great timing, no? 'Cause you won't see 'em on TV this year. Mike Q: Why all the fuss on the NETS about LV? #: 10615 S1/General Interest 07-May-91 22:54:47 Sb: Magnavox 8CM515 Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X) John, I'm using an 8515 on my MM/1 now and I find the 640 x 420 modes just fine to read, especially the "borderless" ones that Kevin set up. The characters are a little larger. Plus, I use a thicker font on these screens. Paul IMS #: 10624 S1/General Interest 08-May-91 19:04:28 Sb: #MicroWare is where? Fm: William Verthein 76557,3623 To: Timothy J. Martin 71541,3611 (X) I've tried sending them message twice asking for them to mail me info (via there customer feedback). Is there anyone there or do I have to call them or do they have a CIS ID I can send mail to? I'd really like info on OSK and I've been waiting since March... There is 1 Reply. #: 10843 S1/General Interest 26-May-91 22:11:27 Sb: #10624-#MicroWare is where? Fm: Timothy J. Martin 71541,3611 To: William Verthein 76557,3623 (X) Their phone number at HQ is 515-224-1929. I haven't tried feedback thru CIS Microware "forum". Apparently it is not good. Sorry to hear about the problem... There is 1 Reply. #: 10922 S1/General Interest 03-Jun-91 18:05:35 Sb: #10843-MicroWare is where? Fm: William Verthein 76557,3623 To: Timothy J. Martin 71541,3611 Thanx timothy. I finally got a reply from them... #: 10639 S1/General Interest 10-May-91 19:36:10 Sb: #Need Serial Port info Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: ALL I just got an Okidata OL800 LED Page Printer and I would like to use it with my CoCo3. (Yes, I know I am going to have to write some custom programs.) Problem is, I can't get them to communicate! I have the printer connected to the bit-banger with a cable like the following: 4 Pin DIN Plug 25 Pin DB25 Male Connector 1 8 2 3 3 7 4 2 Now, the printer manual states that it needs an "RS-232C" connection. It says it needs the following: 1 - PG (Protective Ground) 2 - TD (Transmitted Data) 3 - RD (Received Data) 4 - RTS (Request to Send) 6 - DSR (Data Set Ready) 7 - SG (Signal Ground) 11 - SSD (Supervisory Send Data) 20 - DTR (Data Terminal Ready) Can someone describe how I can possible jumper some of these so that my CoCo can talk to my laser printer? (not a true laser, but usually referred to one as) Or maybe tell me what would be necessary to get this to work? TIA, Zack There is 1 Reply. #: 10640 S1/General Interest 10-May-91 22:07:18 Sb: #10639-#Need Serial Port info Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X) Zack, I just (yesterday) made up a cable to run my Citizen GSX-140 through a serial port. Here are my connections: 4 Pin Din DB25 Male 1 n/c 2 20 3 7 4 3 Works great for me. Remember, the CoCo Printer UART uses the RD line to see if the printer is ready. I think the cable you made up is for a terminal, which your printer ain't. There is 1 Reply. #: 10641 S1/General Interest 10-May-91 22:58:55 Sb: #10640-Need Serial Port info Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Thanks Bob! I'll give her a try! Of course, when my MM/1 gets here the point will be moot, and of course I'll be waiting for you to port Vpt to OSK! #: 10651 S1/General Interest 12-May-91 00:06:34 Sb: #GIF 1989a viewers? Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464 To: all Is anyone working on a new(er) up-to-date GIF viewer for CoCo3 Level 2? About a year ago, I noticed CIS has put out GIF 1989a specs. The viewers we currently have are GIF 1987a and are messing up when trying to show some of these "newer" GIF files. For example, Tim Kientzle's View 4.1, as well as Vaughn Cato's ViewGIF 2.0 and Chris Babcock's O9GIF 2.1 were all saying that they cannot process a certain (naughty) GIF picture I have, but Mike Dziedzic's GIFOS9 1.1 does try to show it. View 2.1 was saying how it doesn't support "non-global bitmaps" in that GIF picture. CShow for the IBM-PC crowd works just fine (of course). -- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464). There is 1 Reply. #: 10653 S1/General Interest 12-May-91 06:54:58 Sb: #10651-#GIF 1989a viewers? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X) I've been tempted to modify viewgif to do 1989a--don't know whether I could do non-global palettes, but it would be a *great* pleasure to make it know about aspect ratio, which is one of the changes for 1989a if I recall correctly. I think it also wants colors in descending order of importance, which could make life easier in some ways. There is 1 Reply. #: 10737 S1/General Interest 18-May-91 18:43:46 Sb: #10653-#GIF 1989a viewers? Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) One of the enhancements of GIF 1989a is the use of text on top of the picture, where the letters or fonts are shown with the background showing through (transparent) or colored (transclusent[?] or opaque). Yet another enhancement is that the GIF info specifies the length of a pause or delay for animation, overlays, the text I just mentioned, or whatever else is needed. The sample that came with CSHOW, the IBM-PC compatible GIF viewer, kinda does all of that, all in one GIF file. It just so happened that some GIF file I found had contained some non-global stuff which was defined in the original 1987 spec. Not that I can afford one (anytime soon either), but are the OSK machines from FHL, IMS, Delmar, etc., able to (or will be able to) show those GIFs that are essentially VGA pictures? You know, the 800x600x256 resolution? IBM has yet to publish their XGA specs, but the latest CSHOW already supports IBM's own XGA card. Keep hearing & reading that the MM/1 and Delmar has support for VGA but --alas-- where's the software? -- Thx, Paul Seniura. There are 2 Replies. #: 10744 S1/General Interest 18-May-91 21:16:49 Sb: #10737-GIF 1989a viewers? Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X) Yah, the MM/1 shows the VGA pics, altho in 320x420x256 res instead (looks fine). The PT does even better on a VGA monitor with its VGA card, of course. Far as I know, both have GIF decoders. Kinda large files to download, tho :-) #: 10752 S1/General Interest 19-May-91 00:11:41 Sb: #10737-#GIF 1989a viewers? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X) Well...just this Friday evening, I looked at some GIF files on my MM/1, and they looked very good to me. There were some 640*480 files in there; I don't recall seeing any 800*600. There is 1 Reply. #: 10766 S1/General Interest 19-May-91 20:04:28 Sb: #10752-#GIF 1989a viewers? Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Is Mike going to develop it for us po' folk? If not, and if it's shareable, might I take a gander at it? Mike hasn't been answering my e-mail on CIS or Delphi, seems to be too -- TOO -- busy making things for the MM/1 and forgetting about "us". For one thing, he &/or Ed Hathaway promised us they'd make good the promises stated in the UME-3 docs. About two months ago, Mike answered back stating he will get it finished but after he gets them working on the MM/1 first. That is IRRITATING -- I and many others have been waiting for TWO YEARS to the day (almost) waiting for those enhancements. I'm getting tired waiting ... I even bribed him & Ed that I'd send in a second $59 once they get it all finished and implemented correctly. So, if you have something we can go ahead and port over, by all means let's get it going. Sorry 'bout having to bring things out into the open, Mike & Ed, but it's now beyond my comprehension what y'all are trying to do. I believe it is time for others to know why I'm disgusted with UME and its support -- shoot, I don't even have a copy of the latest version, after what all we've already discussed and been through over the last two years. If I knew things were going to be this way a year ago, I would have tried to develop my own editors. Nothing's stopping me, except I *did* pays my money in trust that those features would be available by now. I decided instead to get the SMF support rolling, if for no other reason to show that y'all didn't do enough homework and to show why y'all need to support SMFs. I'm presently awaiting a response from Mike to see if he & I could get together and whip up some UME-SMF converters (both ways, not just one). Still waiting ... I'm not saying UME isn't a good product -- it's the best from what we have to choose. But look at how difficult it is to get features supported that we really need! I'm through hollering now; thanks for putting up with me. -- Paul Seniura (76476,464). There is 1 Reply. #: 10772 S1/General Interest 20-May-91 01:00:17 Sb: #10766-#GIF 1989a viewers? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X) To the best of my knowledge, the source I have, written for the ST, is freely copyable, so (if I can find it...) I could send it to you. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but--Mike uploaded the UME file format some time back, I believe. What is stopping you from working on converters? There is 1 Reply. #: 10854 S1/General Interest 27-May-91 22:20:12 Sb: #10772-GIF 1989a viewers? Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) I suppose I will duplicate my response here as I've had to respond to others on Delphi asking the same question. First of all, as I've mentioned before, Mike Knudsen has been too busy to answer my questions via e-mail. Secondly, I've had several specific questions about his documentation of the UME file format. When it comes to the part about the "event" arrays and such, for example, it was poorly written. Needed some examples to show other programmers what was expected, maybe even some C code fragments, and so on. I believe the last time I asked for some help was in February of this year. Wanted to know, for one thing, whether MFF1 or MFF0 was the way he expected the music to be stored. I couldn't tell with his docs. Thirdly, the fact that he hasn't made good on "true" MIDI support for certain MIDI commands, such as pitch bends, controllers, after touch, etc., that we would have a terrible time figuring out how to convert (or simply throw out) the data that isn't supported. As an example, I'm not talking about the "fake" support for Crescendi & Diminuendi he's apparently put into 4.7.x -- we need "real" after touch support. I've suggested ways to graphically show these kinds of MIDI commands, and even explained how to use simple linear algebraic equations vs. time to do the real-time MIDI output. Fourthly, we don't have a decent way to store numerous SysEx data. If a SMF has SysEx in it, what will UME "do" about it? We don't have any way to keep a library of SysEx, including non-UME software & packages. Fifthly, what do I do with 24-track SMFs? Where do I store the instrument patches in his table if there's more than 16 of 'em? ETC. That's just the tip of the iceburg. All of this was via e-mail on Delphi (and on CIS e-mail, too, some of it). Still waiting for some help. Get the picture? -- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464). #: 10702 S1/General Interest 16-May-91 18:02:43 Sb: #Hires adapter Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 To: All Does anyone out there have a hires CoCo joystick adapter that they don't need and would be willing to part with? No luck in the stores here in Montreal. There is 1 Reply. #: 10709 S1/General Interest 16-May-91 20:20:24 Sb: #10702-#Hires adapter Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X) Hmmmmm, I'm sure I saw about three of them the other day at a local Radio Shack. Cheap too. I'll check. John Wainwright There is 1 Reply. #: 10722 S1/General Interest 17-May-91 21:09:57 Sb: #10709-#Hires adapter Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X) Thanks. Let me know what you find. There is 1 Reply. #: 10729 S1/General Interest 18-May-91 10:10:10 Sb: #10722-Hires adapter Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X) Ian, I found them. Picked up two of them for $4.95 each. If you still want one, send me shipping instructions - here or E-mail. John Wainwright 72517,676 #: 10755 S1/General Interest 19-May-91 00:41:08 Sb: Hires Pack Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: John Wainwright 72517,676 (X) Dear John If they are not available, Rainbow had a Bill Barden article on the hi-res interfaces, and as soon as I can find it, there was a graphic on modifying them for the MAX-10. I will upload the info. This way if Tandy is our of it, or them as the case may be, though I think the first is more accurate, people could build their own. -Br. Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 #: 10757 S1/General Interest 19-May-91 00:52:45 Sb: Os9 Level 2 BBS Fm: PHILLIP TAYLOR 72067,3430 To: ALL Os9 Users The Fido Exchange Bulletin Board is running 24 hours 7 days a week at 1200 and 2400 baud.We have Online Games,Upload/Download Section.We support both Rsdps and Os9 running on 40 meg hard drive. The Fido Exchange Vienna,Va Fido Node# 109/353 (703)-573-2246 1200/2400 Baud. #: 10788 S1/General Interest 21-May-91 15:26:25 Sb: #B-Trieve and OS9 Fm: Alessandro Peruzzo 100020,646 To: ALL Hallo, I'm calling from Italy, so please excuse for my English. I'm actually working on a project on CD-I. The problem is that now I need something like B-Trieve that work under OS9. Does anybody can help me???? Thank's from Ale There are 2 Replies. #: 10921 S1/General Interest 03-Jun-91 14:32:54 Sb: #10788-#B-Trieve and OS9 Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Alessandro Peruzzo 100020,646 (X) Hello, Ale! Your English is fine. Hopefully, someone more into databases will know of something which can help you out. I'm very interested in hearing more about your CD-I project... can you tell us any details? thanks.. and I hope someone can help you. regards - Kevin There is 1 Reply. #: 10938 S1/General Interest 04-Jun-91 07:11:08 Sb: #10921-#B-Trieve and OS9 Fm: Alessandro Peruzzo 100020,646 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Hello Kevin !!! Thank's for the reply. Well....it's a long story about our project on Cd-I, so I'll tell you only about our needs of B-Trieve. In Italy we develop and produce software for Cd-Rom( products like Enciclopedias, about Cooking, our last Cd-rom contain 1500 recipies with images, Medical Cd-rom for the family also with images ......). Now we would like to "import" some of these products on Cd-I and Commodore's CDTV.We woluld like to do this as soon as possible, our information retrieval, which we actually use for Cd-rom, is based on B-trieve, we would like to use it also with Cd-I and the problem is that in Italy nobody knows about something like B-trieve that works also on Cd-I. Looking forward of hearing news from You.... Regards from Ale. There is 1 Reply. #: 10971 S1/General Interest 05-Jun-91 20:20:06 Sb: #10938-#B-Trieve and OS9 Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 To: Alessandro Peruzzo 100020,646 (X) Your Btreive on a CD-Rom project is actually very similar to something I'm working on myself (indexed storage and retrieval on Worm & MO's). I would be happy to port B-treive to OS9 FOC (free of charge), but I don't have the code or better yet just tech spec's on the B-treve format. I do have access to CD players though, so I can test it out if somebody could get me the code or specs... Scott Griepentrog There is 1 Reply. #: 11013 S1/General Interest 10-Jun-91 06:36:26 Sb: #10971-B-Trieve and OS9 Fm: Alessandro Peruzzo 100020,646 To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 Hello Scott, thank you very much for your reply,I really hope you will help us. I'm looking forward of hearing news from you. Regards from Italy. Ale #: 10945 S1/General Interest 04-Jun-91 17:47:21 Sb: #10788-#B-Trieve and OS9 Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Alessandro Peruzzo 100020,646 (X) I'm not sure, but I think that IMS from Clearbrook Software Group may fit your needs. It's been a while since I read their docs but I'll see what I can find out. Lee There is 1 Reply. #: 11014 S1/General Interest 10-Jun-91 06:37:30 Sb: #10945-B-Trieve and OS9 Fm: Alessandro Peruzzo 100020,646 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) Ok, thank you very much. regards from Italy. Ale #: 10830 S1/General Interest 25-May-91 08:01:56 Sb: #CoCo 3/XT-Case Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413 To: all Hello: Can someone help me put a CoCo 3 - 512K into a XT-Case. I need some info on how to do it! Thanks Keith There is 1 Reply. #: 10839 S1/General Interest 26-May-91 09:04:28 Sb: #10830-CoCo 3/XT-Case Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X) ~ Download ATCOCO.TXT in lib 10. That sould tell you what's involved. I and many others have done it and it's not difficult. it's just time consuming. Mike #: 10225 S1/General Interest 12-Apr-91 10:31:41 Sb: clib bugs Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: all Recently there have been two bugs found in my 6809 library. One is in ctime() - I put it there when I fixed localtime(). The other is in the long division routine - it is Microware's bug. I will put up new versions of the libraries, but for those who don't want to download the whole thing for these two bugs, here are patches. For the ctime() problem: at offset $14c5 is 83 00 01 in both clib.l and clibt.l change that to 12 12 12 For the ldiv problem: at offset $617d is 6c 01 in clib.l or offset $7d02 is 6c 01 in clibt.l change that to 63 01 My apologies to all. Carl Going through my disk, I find the values at $617d in clib.l and $7d02 in clibt.l to be 6c 61 and not 6c 01 as you stated. Is this just a typo ? Paul R. #: 10928 S1/General Interest 03-Jun-91 20:36:58 Sb: PNW CoCo Fest Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 To: All Hi All, In case you haven't seen this around, here's the latest information I've come across about the Pacific North West CoCo Fest from Rodger Alexander: Has anybody been talking up the NW CoCo Fest in Port Orchard on the 21-22 of June????? I've got the names of the Speaker and the complete agenda: FRIDAY evening at the Best Western Bayview Inn in Bremerton. 7:30 Brook Stanford from KOMO-TV will be the guest speaker SATURDAY at the HiJoy Bowl on Bethel St. in Port Orchard 9:00 AM: "History of the CoCo" by Tom Rosenbaum of Spectral Assoc. 9:30 Swap Meet (bring your stuff....Registration include free space) 10:30 Mini Sessions: Hardware & pgrades: Rodger Alexander Communications: Scott Honker (Microsoft) BASIC: Mark King Sources for HELP and SOFTWARE: Terry Laraway OS-9/Unix: Les Bulyar, Alan Johnson, Bob Foster, John Schliep 12:30 Luncheon with Keynote Speaker Chris Burke (Burke & Burke) Contact Donald Zimmerman, 3046 Banner Rd. SE. Port Orchard, WA 98366 (206) 871-6535 $25 Registration fee includes everything including a CoCoFest MUG. You can also choose to pick and choose each event at $5/ea. Best Western Bayview Inn is the motel headquarters....call 373-7349. And when we're all done.....we can go bowling! #: 11070 S1/General Interest 14-Jun-91 13:02:09 Sb: OSK CD-I Jobs Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 To: all Interested in a job using OS-9/68000? A MultiMedia company is looking for OS9 System Software Engineers to work with CD-I. Must have an interest in Video and Graphics Programming. If interested please call Mark Tokay ASAP at (704) 652-1801 for more information. Please tell him that you heard about this on Compuserve in a message posted by James Truesdale. Good Luck! -J #: 11137 S1/General Interest 21-Jun-91 00:04:31 Sb: #The REPLY Command! Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413 To: All Hello: How do I reply to a forum message? I have tried typing REPLY and it come back, invalided command> Help, Keith There is 1 Reply. #: 11142 S1/General Interest 21-Jun-91 01:06:01 Sb: #11137-The REPLY Command! Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X) Keith - Just type REP at the 'Read Action !' prompts. Also, type HELP anytime you're unsure of what to do next. Pete #: 11183 S1/General Interest 24-Jun-91 20:38:52 Sb: Hard Drive For Sale Fm: PHILLIP TAYLOR 72067,3430 To: ALL If anyone is interested,I have a 40 meg Hard drive (St251-1).It comes with case and power supply,Manual and a controller card.Its all ready to to go, All you need to do is to hook it up. The case and power supply or used,But the drive is only 3 weeks old. everything works...If your interested,You either call me voice,Or you can call my bbs. Please if your going to buy it,Send only a money order,Include $21.00 for shipping and for insurance. Phillip L Taylor Jr (703)-560-7612 East Coast Time. (703)-573-2246 BBS 2446 Shenandoah St Vienna Va 22180 Selling For $340.00 #: 11196 S1/General Interest 25-Jun-91 20:15:35 Sb: For Sale Fm: PHILLIP TAYLOR 72067,3430 To: All Here are some Color Computer Stuff I am selling.If your interested you either leave me message or you can call me voice. If you want to buy something,Please send only a money order.Shipping Cost is not included. St251-1 (40 Meg Hard Drive).Case and power supply are used,But the Drive and the controller card are only 3 weeks old.Ready to run. (Add $21.00 for Shipping)========================>$320.00 Radio Shack Cm8-monitor==========================>$ 60.00 Color Computer two with 64k======================>$ 50.00 Pbbs Os9 Level 2 Bulletin Board (Req 512k Mem)===>$ 40.00 File System Repack (Docs and 1 Disk)=============>$ 25.00 Disk Anti Pirate (Coco 2)Coco 2)=================>$ 15.00 Multi View (Os9 Level 2) Coco3ual)===============>$ 20.00 King Quest 3 (Coco 3) ===========================>$ 19.00 Deskmate (Coco 3 Comes with Disk and Manual)=====>$ 19.00 Colorama (Cooco 2) Comes with 1 Disk And Manual==>$ 9.00 Warrior King Coco 3,Comes with 1 Disk And Manual=>$ 19.00 Sub Battle (Coco 3),Comes with 1 Disk and Manual=>$ 15.00 Flight Simulator (Coco 3),=========(Used)========>$ 12.00 Quickpro II Automatic Progrtam Coco 2============>$ 10.00 Os9 Level 2 Comes with 2 disk and Manual=========>$ 15.00 Cash Budget Management Disk======================>$ 10.00 Color Profile (Coco 2).Disk===================== >$ 15.00 Disk Edtasm (Coco 2) Disk and Manual=============>$ 15.00 Flight Simulator II Coco 3,(Never used)==========>$ 20.00 Cont to Next Message help #: 11200 S1/General Interest 26-Jun-91 18:03:28 Sb: Hard Drive For Sale Fm: PHILLIP TAYLOR 72067,3430 To: All Here are some Coco Stuff for sale.If you see something you like,Please leave me a message,Or you may call me voice. St251-1 Seagate 40 meg.Case and and power supply are used,But the drive and controller card are only 3 weeks old.===========================================>$340.00 Phillip Taylor Voice (703)-560-7612 BBS (703)-573-2246 2446 Shenandoah St Vienna,Va 22180 Ps Checks will be held for 7 days,If you use a money order,It will be sent to you within three days. #: 11249 S1/General Interest 29-Jun-91 00:34:42 Sb: #B&B Interface Fm: Don Kircher 76346,3475 To: all Has anyone heard from Chris Burke? I've been trying to get in touch with him for a month now for some assistance with his XTRTC. There are 2 Replies. #: 11254 S1/General Interest 30-Jun-91 08:58:40 Sb: #11249-B&B Interface Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Don Kircher 76346,3475 (X) Don, According to forum records, Chris last checked in June 16, 1991 at 15:50. His ID is [72240,304]. You might try leaving MAIL or a message here is his box is full. Steve #: 11269 S1/General Interest 01-Jul-91 17:11:40 Sb: #11249-B&B Interface Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: Don Kircher 76346,3475 (X) Don, You're best bet is to just call Chris. I had absolutely no trouble getting in touch wuth him by phone about a month ago. The regular # is 206-432-1814. I don't have the 800 # handy. Actually, he called *me* back after I left a message. -- ================================================================== Hugo Bueno | Delphi: MRGOOD Compuserve: 71211,3662 Fanwood, NJ | UUCP: ...!(rutgers,njin)!fdurt1!kc2wz!bluehaus!hugo | ...!hugo@bluehaus.uucp CoCo 3 UUCP | ...!uunet!bluehaus.uucp!hugo ================================================================== #: 11258 S1/General Interest 01-Jul-91 00:24:08 Sb: #11094-#Apple Mac Fm: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 To: Keith Jacobs 72331,712 My new catalog from Frank Hogg Laboratories says they have os9 for the mac Which runs concurrently with mac operating system, combining for the best of both worlds. I think it was about the same price as a os9 computer with software around $1000. There is 1 Reply. #: 11267 S1/General Interest 01-Jul-91 14:50:44 Sb: #11258-#Apple Mac Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 (X) Bruce, Good to hear from ya', buddy! How are things in the printing biz? Best, Paul IMS There is 1 Reply. #: 11286 S1/General Interest 04-Jul-91 09:59:01 Sb: #11267-#Apple Mac Fm: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) The printing biz which has been rough with many big shops closing their doors does seem to be improving. I hope the rexession is over. Still using os9 level 2 on my coco and basic09 software to do estimating, history of jobs, paper orders, customer database, and a few other things. I want to buy a new osk machine, learn C and connect my coco as a graphics terminal along with 2 or 3 other terminals in the shop. What about extra rs232 ports on the mm/1 I know you have 5 but I will likley need more? I hope to convert some of my printing programs to run under osk and make them available. There are 3 Replies. #: 11289 S1/General Interest 04-Jul-91 17:04:37 Sb: #11286-#Apple Mac Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 (X) What about a 'simple' step upwards?? Get a Tomcat9 instead of going into the 6800 series completely. The TC9 is 6809 based, so you can use ALL of your current B09 and OS9 software, plus, if you get the Tiger Card, you can run background animation from the Tiger, while the TC9 runs another program. (That's an EXAMPLE, the possibilities with the Tiger Card are limitless). The TC9 (which I have ordered), will cost literally hundreds less than the MM/1; run ALL of my current software at 2+ times the speed; plus with the Tiger, opens up new programming possibilities. While I do respect the possibilities of the 68000 based computers, the TC9 seems to me to be a more logical choice. (It's a 'minor' step upwards, yet could be a huge leap, too!) As to C programming, that is the wave of the near future for computers. I signed up for 3 courses in a local University on the language, as C (for the next 10 or so years) WILL become the language of choice. It is able to be ported to other systems, can manipulate bytes, data, strings, arrays, unlike B09. (I'd be a fool to say it's 'user-friendly'..., but in it's simplicity, the power is overwhelming, compared to B09) Good luck on your projects....also, please consider the TC9....might just be what the doctor ordered.... Jim Sutemeier There is 1 Reply. #: 11290 S1/General Interest 04-Jul-91 18:17:21 Sb: #11289-#Apple Mac Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X) I'd be very interested in hearing the basis on which the claim of a 2* speedup between the CoCo 3 (presumably running at about 1.8 MHz, as it does under OS-9) and the TC9 is made. Is that overall, or for I/O bound or CPU bound programs, or what? There is 1 Reply. #: 11296 S1/General Interest 05-Jul-91 10:54:07 Sb: #11290-#Apple Mac Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Welp, Frank explained it to me...about 6 weeks ago....and (darnit) I've crammed my 'lil ole brain with so much stuff about the TC9, TC70 and MM/1, I can't respond properly to you right now. Tell you what, as soon as I get my TC9, I'll post a message (or three - grin) up here, and will report if I see any significant speedups in programs. As I do run a BBS, and am quite familiar with loading times, etc., of my software, if there is a noticable change, I'll spot it quickly. Jim Sutemeier SysOp BBS 818:772-8890 There is 1 Reply. #: 11299 S1/General Interest 05-Jul-91 19:56:35 Sb: #11296-Apple Mac Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X) Thanks! Will look forward to hearing from you. #: 11298 S1/General Interest 05-Jul-91 19:53:48 Sb: #11286-#Apple Mac Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 (X) Ahhh a printer! How large is your shop? Offset? Flexo? Letterpress? Web? What type of software are you running for your applications? 4GL or something from scratch. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 11302 S1/General Interest 05-Jul-91 23:48:13 Sb: #11298-#Apple Mac Fm: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) small commercial offset printer. Just duplicator size presses. We run some basic09 software that I wrote and continue to improve upon. Originally we only did estimating then came printing job jackets, invoices, paper orders , customer mailist, ink orders, production schedule, production data, job data, I thing thats about it now I can not operate so efficiently without my coco3 .... I have 3 in caseof failure! I hope to learn c, and port my software over to osk then I may try to market the package as a value added guy. I am running out of process memory for some of the things I want to do and so osk instead of tc9. There is 1 Reply. #: 11303 S1/General Interest 06-Jul-91 09:48:37 Sb: #11302-#Apple Mac Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 (X) Sounds great, Bruce! I've ink in my blood from way back having managed a couple of the larger school district's In-Plants as well as a larger Direct Mail company's press room. It looks like your decision to move to OSK is sound. Your apps should move easily while you master C. Might want to discuss your marketing ideas with Paul Ward or Ed Gresick. Both are always looking for new packages. Steve There are 2 Replies. #: 11330 S1/General Interest 10-Jul-91 22:04:16 Sb: #11303-Apple Mac Fm: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) I have mentioned it to Paul Ward and he has some interest, however I cannot guarantee that I will reach a point that I can adequatly document or support another printers use of it. Also all my printing friends I have approached to test my system are not willing to buy the hardware. I could not run my shop without it and we are more efficient, give our customers faster and more accurate info, and make fewer mistakes than with manual systems. Yet I cannot be sure another shop will be able to use it as well as I can. Should I find someone to beta test I will have something going in the marketing direction #: 11335 S1/General Interest 10-Jul-91 23:41:09 Sb: #11303-#Apple Mac Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, Hey, you're into printing! We should talk. I have a project for you, if you want to splurge on an MM/1. Compugraphic support, PCL5 libraries .... (drool) Paul ims There is 1 Reply. #: 11342 S1/General Interest 11-Jul-91 07:48:10 Sb: #11335-#Apple Mac Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) >if you want to splurge on an MM/1 Hmmmm .... make me a deal big guy! I could be convinced. ;-) By the way, I've been yammering the benefits of the MM/1 to Barry Bond, recently. A lightning storm cooked his 68000 system recently. Last word from Frank Hogg (he purchased it years ago from him) was the damage was too extensive to repair, so he finds himself in the market. Might want to give him a call at 407 382-2816 and discuss his options. I'd bet he'd get a kick out of a call from the head guy at IMS! Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 11357 S1/General Interest 12-Jul-91 23:29:24 Sb: #11342-Apple Mac Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Thanks for the tip about Barry, Steve! Sorry to hear about the storm. Best, paul IMS #: 11332 S1/General Interest 10-Jul-91 23:33:22 Sb: #11286-#Apple Mac Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 (X) If you need more that 5 serial ports, give me a call at 202 232 4246 and we can work out an architecture that makes sense for you. I can't wait to see your setup! In fact, we should do an appointment soon. Pal Paul IMS There is 1 Reply. #: 11421 S1/General Interest 21-Jul-91 16:14:14 Sb: #11332-Apple Mac Fm: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 Does that mean you cannot connect 5 terminals to the 5 serial ports? As far as an appointment, you are welcome to come to my Shop and see what we do with os9. Also I would be interested to know of any public showings in the northern VA or dc areas. #: 11259 S1/General Interest 01-Jul-91 02:05:39 Sb: #Happy Birthday! Fm: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Kevin, According to my handy-dandy computerized calendar, today is your 83rd... make that, your 38th birthday. Soooo, Happy Birthday, Kevin! Wendell There is 1 Reply. #: 11271 S1/General Interest 02-Jul-91 02:38:09 Sb: #11259-Happy Birthday! Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 (X) Ha! Thanks! Yep, your computer was correct. Funny thing is, I spent almost the entire year thinking that I was already 38, for some reason. I feel like I got another year for free, now . Thanks again - kev #: 11272 S1/General Interest 02-Jul-91 06:51:40 Sb: #device w/in a dr Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413 To: All Hello: A friend l Hen ATend of mine ask me to post this question: as1kn you open a device within a device driver, for ex: ith iy I have KEYBOARD.DR and K1.DD, can I use F$OPEN to open ACIAPAK.DR and T2.DD (Open T2 within KEYBOARD) 2.DDK (Ope. There are 2 Replies. #: 11273 S1/General Interest 02-Jul-91 07:07:33 Sb: #11272-device w/in a dr Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X) Keith, Your messages is all garbled (type RP after this one to see what I mean). Could you repost? Be sure to thump the key every 80 characters or so. Steve #: 11278 S1/General Interest 02-Jul-91 14:22:32 Sb: #11272-device w/in a dr Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X) Keith - if I read your message right, then the answer is yes... you can open a path to another device from within a device driver. However, don't do so within the driver's INIT routine, because the device table is incomplete at the time, and can get screwed up on many versions of os9/osk. I assume this is for a BBS thingie? - kev #: 11350 S1/General Interest 12-Jul-91 01:18:43 Sb: #FIDO echo Fm: DonVail 70233,2037 To: 76703,4227 (X) Hello Kevin, We, on the FIDO echo would like your presense. I know that you use to visit the Falcon's Lair which noe carries the OS-9 echo. Why not drop by sometimes if possible. DonVail There is 1 Reply. #: 11351 S1/General Interest 12-Jul-91 03:00:15 Sb: #11350-#FIDO echo Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: DonVail 70233,2037 Thanks... I actually called Chicago last night just to read FIDO so that I could see what people were up to. If I get more time, I'll try to get back on sometime. Seemed like things were okay tho. best - kevin There is 1 Reply. #: 11415 S1/General Interest 20-Jul-91 15:31:47 Sb: #11351-FIDO echo Fm: John Wight 76370,2100 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) I also would like to see you come by the FIDONET OS9 and COCO echos. I am the moderator of these echos, and one of the hot topics currently is forming a new users` group with the help of FIDONET and its members to take over where the old group left off. I have seen your message to Warren Hrach in another network on the matter. I would sure like to see you come around for advice, and to answer those difficult questions about OS-9, even if you don&t have the desire to be a large part of the new group, and I`m sure the users of the echos would agree. Bruce Isted has been available on the echos for quite sometime, so I hope to see you there, too. #: 11397 S1/General Interest 16-Jul-91 23:06:53 Sb: Upload Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 To: sysop (X) OK took 3 tried but I beleave I got it. Thanks Wayne Frank #: 11405 S1/General Interest 18-Jul-91 21:44:01 Sb: OSK MultiMedia Job Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 To: all Interested in a job using OS-9/68000? A MultiMedia company is looking for OS9 System Software Engineers to work with CD-I. Must have an interest in Video and Graphics Programming. If interested please call Mark Tokay ASAP at (704) 652-1801 for more information. Please tell him that you heard about this on Compuserve in a message posted by James Truesdale. Good Luck! -J #: 11409 S1/General Interest 19-Jul-91 15:50:30 Sb: #User Interface Util Fm: Semi-Gas Systems 76047,151 To: All Hi, I'm new to this forum (and compuserve in general!) and would appreciate any help y'all can offer. I'm looking for utilities that deal with user interface management. I quickly perused the libraries section but didn't see anything off hand. Can anyone point me to a specific area in Libraries that I should be looking at? Also, on a related note, how does one obtain a summary of the available files? Is there some sort of READ.ME doc somewhere? Thanks in advance! There is 1 Reply. #: 11410 S1/General Interest 19-Jul-91 17:29:31 Sb: #11409-User Interface Util Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Semi-Gas Systems 76047,151 Hi! First, I guess we need to know what flavor of OS-9 you're using... the 6809 or the 680x0 version? Perhaps even what kind of system, in case someone else has one (unless you're making your own, of course). You might also want to change you forum name to your own name, instead of using a company name (or use both, if possible). Use the OPTions menu to do that. Some of the libraries have summary files, but I find it easiest to just go to each library and capture the output of a "sca/sho" command... which gives names, dates, size and a one-line comment. Again, welcome! best - kevin #: 11435 S1/General Interest 22-Jul-91 12:30:35 Sb: #11410-User Interface Util Fm: Semi-Gas Systems 76047,151 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Hi Kevin! Thanks for the tip on getting info on library files. Our target system is a 68000 processor. I'm quite new on the project so I'm afraid I don't know much of the specifics yet. But I am sure that I'll be able to pick up quite a bit through this forum. Corey Yee Semi-Gas Systems, Inc. #: 11448 S1/General Interest 22-Jul-91 23:09:50 Sb: TC-XT Announcment Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 To: All PRELIMINARY NEW PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT................ SINGLE SLOT TC-BUS PC INTERFACE CARD............... The TC-XT FHL and Hazelwood are happy to announce our intention to provide a single slot K-Bus to PC XT adaptor. We call it the TC-XT. We will be providing software support for VGA and Eithernet PC cards. The TC-XT, unlike our 8 slot PC Bus extension will be designed to plug into the K-Bus and support one PC XT card. Several TC-XT adaptors can be used in a Tomcat system. Although the TC-XT can be used with many PC cards we cannot promise software support for anything other than the VGA and Eithernet cards at this time. The TC-XT is expected to be available in the fourth quarter of 1991 with a projected price of under $100. This future addition to the Tomcat will open doors previously closed. We have had many requests for support for VGA and Eithernet as well as other PC cards such as Fax modems and special purpose cards. The TC-XT will open the door into this world! Normally we don't announce a product like this before we have the design finalized. We are doing this because we would like some feedback before the design is cast in stone. I would like to solicit your comments on the TC-XT. Here is your chance to have an effect on the design of this exciting new product for the Tomcat. Thank You Frank Hogg FHL #: 11524 S1/General Interest 29-Jul-91 03:12:04 Sb: #11513-line_junk Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: KENHEIST 71750,551 (X) Kenheist, You need to give CompuServe's Customer Service folks a call at (800) 848-8990. They're the only ones that can steer the network folks in the right direction if it is your local node (like it sounds like). Unfortunately, we can't report it for you... Wayne #: 11527 S1/General Interest 29-Jul-91 13:53:05 Sb: #Go to 6mS or Not Go? Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: ALL I am in the process of trying to create a new system disk (still (g)). As I have the patches printed in The Rainbow Guide to OS-9 Level II for making d0 run at 6mS, I was wondering whether I should. I have heard that running the drive faster puts a lot of extra wear on it, can be unreliable (though I have never had a problem under DECB on the occasions I've done it), and there are problems with trying to boot OS-9 with a 6mS descriptor in the boot file (sudden change of speed???). So is this really worth doing? If not, what would be a 20mS patch if that would work better? My controller is the FD-502 and is 40 track double sided. There are 2 Replies. #: 11528 S1/General Interest 29-Jul-91 14:55:18 Sb: #11527-Go to 6mS or Not Go? Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) I guess it depends on the drive. However, I've been running my Mitsumi drives at 6ms for a long time. About the only thing that still uses the slower step rates on my systems is the original Lvl 2 System Disk. I'd say go ahead and set your system up for 6ms step rates. I booted my system from floppy descriptors that were set up for 6ms even though the initial booting module still accessed the drive at 30ms. The 'sudden change of speed' did nothing to hinder my systems' operation. Have you got the DMODE program from Lib 9 or 10? It's a great utility for setting several floppy descriptor parameters. Lee #: 11533 S1/General Interest 29-Jul-91 21:51:14 Sb: #11527-#Go to 6mS or Not Go? Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich- I've also used that patch on TEAC,TEC,and whatever-it-is-they-put-inna502 drives with no problem.My thinking is if it didn't break a TEC drive, it won't break anything! But while you're 'apatchin', this is the one that speeds Boot up to 6ms as well- l boot c 00c0 03 00 c 017c 1310 v I can't tell if this really speeds the boot up much, but some drives sound like a broken MixMaster at 30ms... Rick There is 1 Reply. #: 11542 S1/General Interest 30-Jul-91 19:19:27 Sb: #11533-Go to 6mS or Not Go? Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X) So there is more to the story (g)! Now that I can make some good use of my EZGen, I'll be doing both patches soon. Thanks for your "bonus" tip. #: 11530 S1/General Interest 29-Jul-91 20:20:04 Sb: #11421-Apple Mac Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 (X) Bruce, You CAN connect 5 terminals up the ports, but then you have no serial port for a modem or mouse. Best best is to decide HOW you want to use the console, then figure how many terminals you will be able to use on the console. When you need more serial ports, add another MM/1 personal (allows three more users per Personal) via the MM/1 network. This connection does not use up a serial port. It allows 128 MM/1s to be networked together -- Network File Manager is already included, saving you hundreds of dollars. Anyway, that's the scoop! Best, Paul IMS #: 11617 S1/General Interest 04-Aug-91 20:32:47 Sb: #Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: anyone I recently downloaded Sterm.AR, un-arced it and read the manual. After setting attributes, creating a SYS directory, etc. I was able to get to the boot-up screen and test the commands. But Sterm was stuck at 9600 baud. Setting xmode /term=4 type=0 I re-tried but was not able to change the setting to 2400 baud. What else is necessary to change the baud rate? Also, does Sterm work on Multi-Vue as well as from regular OS9? Couldn't even get to main menu if I booted from MV. Can /M1 as well as /T2 be used as a port? -ph- There is 1 Reply. #: 11619 S1/General Interest 04-Aug-91 21:57:09 Sb: #11617-#Sterm1.5 Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Paul, If the "xmode" line in your message is the one you used, and not a typo, then there lies the problem. To set T2 to 2400 baud, you should give it "xmode /t2 baud=4". I THINK Sterm should be able to use M1, but I have never tried it, so I'm not sure. I HAVE used Sterm on Multi-Vue, both on it's own and as a proc called by WizPro to do CIS"B" transfers. Are you sure your MV boot has T2 in it? JohnW There are 2 Replies. #: 11624 S1/General Interest 05-Aug-91 06:58:09 Sb: #11619-Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 Thanks for the tips. I'll check on the /t2 module for MV right now. #: 11625 S1/General Interest 05-Aug-91 07:40:52 Sb: #11619-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 /t2 not being in the MV modules dir was the problem alright! Now, how does one initiate communication with host? Is there an Sterm equivalent to ctrl-c ? I notice the modem's TR status light comes on as soon as Sterm boots. -ph- There is 1 Reply. #: 11627 S1/General Interest 05-Aug-91 07:57:57 Sb: #11625-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Paul, Now that you've gotten things straigtend out, all you need do is dial your Compuserve number, and hit for the User Id prompt. Alternately, hitting enter will net you a Host: prompt. CompuServe's host is CIS or CPS. There are 2 Replies. #: 11629 S1/General Interest 05-Aug-91 16:18:27 Sb: #11627-Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 Ok, thanks. I'll give it a try. One last item: would you know about LINPUT.AR's line input command for basic 09? Couldn't seem to get that one to work. -ph- #: 11630 S1/General Interest 05-Aug-91 16:53:59 Sb: #11627-Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 Tried cntl-c as well as after dialing up CIS but got no results, CIS disconnected after time-out. Dunno what the problem is. Even a null modem setup with another computer I was able to transfer keyboard input back & forth with sterm but apparently no output goes thru to the modem. Just to be sure that MPI & rs232 pack were interacting properly (sometimes they are out of alignment) I hit reset with DM-3 in the drive and was able to connect to CIS using telecom, ruling out that possibility. -ph- #: 11638 S1/General Interest 06-Aug-91 06:17:39 Sb: #11630-Sterm1.5 Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) This sounds like a baud rate mismatch. Sterm uses the baud rate set in the descriptor (T2). Do you get any response from the modem after connecting? Do you see the timeout message from CompuServe? Try setting the baud rate in T2, like this: xmode /t2 baud=4 This will set the baud rate to 2400 baud. Also, its important _not_ to INIZ T2, since that will lock in the initial baud rate. Also, do the xmode before starting Sterm, as long as Sterm is running, and the path to T2 opened, xmode will not have any effect. Bill #: 11641 S1/General Interest 06-Aug-91 07:31:40 Sb: #11630-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Bill's offered my first choice in answers... baud rate mismatch. Give that a try and see what gives. What's happening with the modem lights? Is CD lit all the time? How about TR? What happens to TX and RX (maybe called SD/RD) when you bang on the keyboard while in sterm? Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 11646 S1/General Interest 06-Aug-91 09:54:54 Sb: #11641-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Whelp, there was definitely a baud rate mismatch: modem didn't throttle down to 300 or 1200 from 2400 where it powers up (HS & MR are lit). As soon as sterm boots, TR lights; SD & RD blink when keyboard is hit, but CD never lights. So I tried booting sterm from xmode /t2 baud=4 with the same results. Then I tried some null modem sterm xmodem transfers to a floppy, then the same file to a ramdisk. The file was over 100kbytes. A stopwatch showed a savings of 25% when using the ramdisk! But I also notice how it is that all the time computers save me, I spend learning more about computers! There is 1 Reply. #: 11656 S1/General Interest 07-Aug-91 07:36:49 Sb: #11646-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Rechecked null-modem, xmodem transfers to a floppy & ramdisk; original findings stand for Sterm: 25+% savings to a ramdisk over a floppy. This seems to be unique to Sterm, and the transfer stats appear to be in error for the floppy transfer. Retried the same experiment using Uterm and the transfer times for both floppy & ramdisk were comparible, only a few % faster for the ram save. There is 1 Reply. #: 11660 S1/General Interest 07-Aug-91 07:52:14 Sb: #11656-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Paul, My CD laight is on when I use Sterm. Infact, the RS232 pak requires an active DCD before it will talk back to you. If your modem is Hayes compliant, an AT&C should fix you up. Otherwise a quick jumper across pins 6-8-20 does the sameysame. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 11671 S1/General Interest 07-Aug-91 20:24:02 Sb: #11660-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) What is an AT&C? I'd druther not mess with pin jumpering. Tried to use YASMOD this a.m. Was able to get dial tone, and dial out to CIS but again, couldn't receive data of any kind. There are 2 Replies. #: 11679 S1/General Interest 08-Aug-91 18:31:58 Sb: #11671-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Paul - AT&C{1,0} I believe is used in the advanced modems to force a carrier detect condition. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 11682 S1/General Interest 08-Aug-91 21:24:42 Sb: #11679-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) say what? -ph- There is 1 Reply. #: 11685 S1/General Interest 09-Aug-91 00:09:10 Sb: #11682-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Sorry - I don't understand what 'say what' means in this context.. If you're responding to my last message, I'm on the road and traveling with a laptop, and and popping from city to city. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 11686 S1/General Interest 09-Aug-91 00:19:18 Sb: #11685-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) I meant repeat what you said more in layman's terms. -ph- There is 1 Reply. #: 11728 S1/General Interest 12-Aug-91 06:48:50 Sb: #11686-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Paul - I was referring to what 'AT&C1' tells the modem..... I believe it performs the same function as some other modems' dip switches.. that is to force Carrier Detect true. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 11738 S1/General Interest 12-Aug-91 20:29:37 Sb: #11728-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) I tried AT&C and it worked fine; AT&C1? What's the dif? There is 1 Reply. #: 11745 S1/General Interest 12-Aug-91 22:19:48 Sb: #11738-Sterm1.5 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 Per the Hayes 'AT' command set default grammar and syntax, an omission is the same as a '0'. The supposed result is that you have effectively typed an 'AT&C0'. Pete #: 11703 S1/General Interest 10-Aug-91 10:06:36 Sb: #11671-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) What Pete said! :-) Just kidding ... With the non dip switched Hayes compatable modems that have been shipping for, say, the last 5 years or so, the AT command set is how one programs the modem. The &C parameter controls the condition of the DCD (or carrier detect) line. By typing AT&C you're telling the modem to make that line high at all time. This would be the same thing as we used to do by jumpering pins 6-8 and 20 together. The ACIAPAK requires a high signal on DCD before it will respond to you. Better? Steve There are 2 Replies. #: 11710 S1/General Interest 10-Aug-91 15:50:55 Sb: #11703-#Sterm1.5 Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Speaking of those extended commands...I always got a giggle when I noticed that my modem had an AT&T command. There are 2 Replies. #: 11711 S1/General Interest 10-Aug-91 18:03:11 Sb: #11710-Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) So what did it do.... automaticall dial the central office? :-) #: 11746 S1/General Interest 12-Aug-91 22:21:50 Sb: #11710-Sterm1.5 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: James Jones 76257,562 JJ - Who ? (grin) Pete (now working for GTE) #: 11713 S1/General Interest 10-Aug-91 19:29:45 Sb: #11703-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Ok, AT&C got the CD lamp lit. I got on line and logged on ok. When downloading, what option does one choose from the CIS menu? Is it Ymodem, send-ahead, B+, for the quickest, most efficient transfer? Also, what option is used from Sterm menu? Only xmodem is given. If you boot with sterm -f -l /t2 then you must ESC-D to /r0? There is 1 Reply. #: 11714 S1/General Interest 11-Aug-91 09:03:35 Sb: #11713-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Paul, When using Sterm on CIS you're missing the boat if you're not using B protocol. It's by far the most efficient protocol on this service. It's built in to STERM ... no commands necessary. Enter the library of choice, select a file to retrieve and type DOW. The two computers work out the details by themselves asking you a couple of questions about protocol and transfer type (ascii, binary, etc). On the '-f' option you're correct. If you don't have a hard drive, you must be transfering from a RAM disk. Not to worry if you pick inadvertantly invoke the 'f' option. B proto is smart enough to know when it's going up hill and drop down to Classic B when needed. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 11717 S1/General Interest 11-Aug-91 15:17:10 Sb: #11714-Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Thanks for the info. I'm looking forward to working on-line within MV's windows. -ph- #: 11640 S1/General Interest 06-Aug-91 07:24:20 Sb: #11629-Sterm1.5 Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Paul, 'fraid I'm not up on LINPUT.AR . Perhaps another member will spot your question. Steve #: 11645 S1/General Interest 06-Aug-91 09:39:13 Sb: #DOSOR9 on big files Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: SYSOP (X) With the help of a OS9 RAMdisk, I have been able to download some programs here with DECB Ulterm and use DOSOR9 to get them to OS-9. But DOSOR9 seems to choke if I have more than about 48K on a disk. Since 2 things I want to download are over 48K, would it be possible to un'ar them and e-mail each file to me? There are 3 Replies. #: 11659 S1/General Interest 07-Aug-91 07:47:41 Sb: #11645-#DOSOR9 on big files Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich, Given the trouble you're having, I wouldn't mind helping you out. But let's ot give up on getting you set up properly. What are the two file names and which library? Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 11691 S1/General Interest 09-Aug-91 21:28:01 Sb: #11659-#DOSOR9 on big files Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) One is the famous DED.AR which I believe is in Lib 10. The other is SWAVE.AR which I believe is in Lib 6. I may be getting the GCS File Transfer Utilities as advertised in Rainbow. They say that will handle both DECB and PC disks-a plus for me. So I could then GCS OS-9 files to OS-9 and properly de-Ar them. I wrote to them to ask for some more info about the program. There is 1 Reply. #: 11705 S1/General Interest 10-Aug-91 10:10:56 Sb: #11691-DOSOR9 on big files Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich, Be watching your mail box. #: 11674 S1/General Interest 07-Aug-91 21:19:46 Sb: #11645-#DOSOR9 on big files Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich- Just an idle question- if you have OS9, and want an OS9 file, why used DECB? If using the 'banger' port, I know there's drives for Lvl2 and I *think* even a Lvl1 version,thou I might have seen that one elsewere. Couldn't help but wonder, since DOSOR9 sounds like extra work anyway. -Rick There is 1 Reply. #: 11692 S1/General Interest 09-Aug-91 21:30:37 Sb: #11674-DOSOR9 on big files Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X) The Telecom section has a couple of threads I started where Steve Wegert and I are trying to figure out why I am having so many difficulties with sterm and xcom9. The only way I can presently directly download to OS-9 is to use sterm and the infamous modem pak. OK for a small file here but no good on BBS'es or for a big file. #: 11678 S1/General Interest 08-Aug-91 16:02:10 Sb: #11645-DOSOR9 on big files Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) I've been able to download large files directly with Deskmate-3's telecom but also have used dosor9 upto nearly 100kb. In dosor9 try adding this line: 2326 IF NN>32767 THEN NN=NN-32768:GOTO 2326 I'm not sure if I RENUMmed any lines so the above should follow this: 2325 IF NUM>32767 THEN NN=NUM-32768 These lines are near the end of DOSOR9. -ph- #: 11819 S1/General Interest 18-Aug-91 01:20:36 Sb: previous message Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: All EEEEK!! disregard the previous message - something nuked the file between floppy and CIS. Gonna go back to good ol' CoCo (maybe). #: 11822 S1/General Interest 18-Aug-91 08:30:52 Sb: #2 meg upgrade Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: anyone Does anyone know the current status of a 2 meg upgrade for the CoCo-3? It seems there is a way to do it, altho technically challenging, according to msg #23785 on the CoCo forum. Actual file name is MEG.TXT and was supposed to be in hardware/tech library as of late last month. -ph- There is 1 Reply. #: 11828 S1/General Interest 18-Aug-91 11:22:50 Sb: #11822-#2 meg upgrade Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Paul - yah, I saw that message also. I don't get over to the COCO forum much, so I'm not sure if the file was ever uploaded. One of the other sysops should know, tho. Guys? There is 1 Reply. #: 11829 S1/General Interest 18-Aug-91 15:09:42 Sb: #11828-2 meg upgrade Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Well, it must have been uploaded since some related messages suggest another member downloaded it and claimed to be successful at the conversion to 2 meg. The question is- what happened to it? -ph- #: 11875 S1/General Interest 21-Aug-91 21:01:49 Sb: Host Name Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: anyone When logging on CIS one sometimes gets a prompt to enter Host Name: and we enter CIS. Which brings up the question- what other hosts are available and under which call letters? -ph- Press !>u #: 11894 S1/General Interest 22-Aug-91 21:15:16 Sb: #11875-Host Name Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Paul, The CompuServe Network supports a ton of hosts. I understand that they handle (or have handled in the past) all Visa point of sale transactions as well as Red Roof Inns Reservation systems. You can connect to the WELL via the net (Use WELL as the HOST prompt) and get some information on that public Unix system...but suffice it to say, if you don't know what to type in response to the HOST prompt ... you don't belong there! :-) Steve #: 11969 S1/General Interest 26-Aug-91 15:55:34 Sb: curses.ar Fm: Semi-Gas Systems 76047,151 To: curses.ar Howdy, Has anyone successfully unarchived CURSES.AR (dated 12-Nov-89)? Our version of ARC complains that the file is damaged. And the version available on-line doesn't seem to work (It bombs when run). Any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated! Corey Yee Semi-Gas Systems, Inc. San Jose, CA 408-929-0373 #: 11978 S1/General Interest 27-Aug-91 00:28:23 Sb: #11969-curses.ar Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Semi-Gas Systems 76047,151 (X) Hi again :-) Are you downloading to an os9 computer, and using the "ar" command (AR68.BIN from Library 9) to break the file apart? Unfortunately, no one has ported Ar to other operating systems yet (we're all being terribly lazy :-), and the PC Arc doesn't work on them. best - kev #: 12021 S1/General Interest 30-Aug-91 19:09:59 Sb: #11969-curses.ar Fm: Semi-Gas Systems 76047,151 To: Semi-Gas Systems 76047,151 Hi Kevin, Thanks for the lead. I'll download AR68 from lib 9. I had previously downloaded AR.BIN from the 68000 lib. Corey #: 11988 S1/General Interest 27-Aug-91 12:12:14 Sb: #Atlanta 'Fest Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: ALL What's the story on Atlanta? Anyone going? Any new announcements expected? Regards to all - Ches There are 2 Replies. #: 11989 S1/General Interest 27-Aug-91 14:15:54 Sb: #11988-#Atlanta 'Fest Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X) Marsha and I are going. Should be another good one! There is 1 Reply. #: 12001 S1/General Interest 28-Aug-91 11:27:09 Sb: #11989-Atlanta 'Fest Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) We're still trying to settle our schedule but hope to attend. Regards, Ches. #: 12009 S1/General Interest 29-Aug-91 01:51:08 Sb: #11988-Atlanta 'Fest Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X) I'll be there, with a few friends... StG #: 11998 S1/General Interest 28-Aug-91 00:16:15 Sb: textrc.b09 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: all There is a bug in my textractor program in that it will not produce a sub-file of the original if the user enters a at the endstring prompt. If the file is not to be truncated, an endstring must still be used so that an unlikely seed string should be entered, such as: xyzabc, jjjjvvvv, etc. If I submit any upgrades in the future, this will be corrected at that time. -ph- #: 12014 S1/General Interest 29-Aug-91 10:17:48 Sb: The Rescue Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: anyone Has anyone been able to get past level 23 in Floyd Resler's game called The Rescue? It seems that there are not enough keys to be found to get past the 3rd lock at L23. Tried contacting Floyd but my Email was returned. Seems he's no longer a member of CIS. -ph- #: 12019 S1/General Interest 30-Aug-91 17:58:47 Sb: OS-9 Exhibits Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: All On September 17, 1991 from 8:30am to 4:00pm at The Westin Galleria Hotel 5060 West Alabama Houston, Tx 77056 and later on September 19, 1991 from 8:30am to 4:00pm at The Doubletree at the Campbell Center 8250 North Expressway Dallas, Tx 75206 there will be Real-Time Computing Exhibitions. September 17, 1991 is a Tuesday, and September 19, 1991 is a Thursday. The Exhibition is being arranged by Concept Development, Inc. and Systran Corporation and sponsored by a variety of leading real-time system manufacturers. I'll try to have brochure copies at the next OS9/CoCo meetings, if we meet in September before the Exhibition. According to the letter that I got from Microware, they will be exhibiting the following real-time software products: - Professional OS-9 Operating System (68030/VME) - Industrial OS-9 Embedded Operating System (68332/68340) - OS-9000 Operating System (80386) - RAVE (Real-Time Audio Video Environment) - OS-9 X-Windows According to the brochure, there will be more than 25 sponsoring companies involved with the exhibition. (Some local, some from out of state.) Motorola, SimPact Associates, Inc, Ready Systems, Force Computers, Inc.' and many more will be showing off their wares. Now to the important stuff... Admission to the exhibits is FREE.... and according to the brochure... Food constituting a light meal and refreshments are available throughout the aday at NO CHARGE. If you want to attend simply RSVP, or for further information call 1-800-733-1811. CoCo3/OS-9ers should not expect there to be any 6809-based OS-9 system up and running at the exhibition. The preponderence of equipment looks to be 80386- and 680x0-based. Lee (It looks like we are having an OS-9 'Fest here in Dallas (and earlier in Houston), unfortunately it doesn't look like there's likely to be any CoCo3-related stuff, but it could be fun to see some of the 68K/386 exhibits. Hmmmm... I wonder if we could whip up an CoCo3/OS-9 exhibit in time for the show. Of course, there'd probably be a really high booth fee. Just a thought.) LV #: 12039 S1/General Interest 01-Sep-91 15:07:25 Sb: #12032-Where can I get it? Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: Jeff McPhate 72437,2565 (X) Jeff, Microware in Des Mointes, Iowa is the company that developed/owns the OS9 operating system. The answers to all of your questions, except the 'public domain' one (which is, no) is yes....you can get it....it is licensed to either single or multiple sources, and I believe source code is available. Contact Microware for more information (although, I don't think you'll find it to be a cheap proposition). Dan #: 12040 S1/General Interest 01-Sep-91 15:08:35 Sb: #12032-#Where can I get it? Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: Jeff McPhate 72437,2565 (X) Jeff, PS....that should have read Des Moines...not Des Mointes.....a slip of the finger on a keyboard caused that (grrrrrrrr). Dan There is 1 Reply. #: 12042 S1/General Interest 01-Sep-91 18:15:20 Sb: #12040-Where can I get it? Fm: Jeff McPhate 72437,2565 To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X) Thanks, Dan. I will give them a call on Tuesday. -Jeff #: 12043 S1/General Interest 01-Sep-91 22:41:44 Sb: #11978-#curses.ar Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Kev, Actually ar has been ported to Unix Sys V, Vax VMS, and PC's. I have the necessary ports and will merge them into one if (oops .. I mean when) I get done with the MM/1 work. - Carl There is 1 Reply. #: 12045 S1/General Interest 01-Sep-91 23:24:43 Sb: #12043-#curses.ar Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X) Outstanding! We've needed a PC version of Ar for quite some time now. Any way to just upload the PC binary for IBM folk, quickly? Hope you're not working yourself to death, as usual :-) There is 1 Reply. #: 12063 S1/General Interest 03-Sep-91 22:29:12 Sb: #12045-curses.ar Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) I can look and see if I can generate PC binary. Mostly what I have is diffs against versions that I don't have. Yes Virginia, people hack ar. So I have to sort out how to apply the diffs to my "authentic" sources. Fun.... - Carl #: 12086 S1/General Interest 05-Sep-91 17:10:05 Sb: #Execution path Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 To: ALL Is it possible to have more than one executable directory at one time ? By that I mean can I have the shell search more than one (CMDS) directory when I issue a command and thus be able to execute a program even if it does not reside in the /CMDS/ directory???. There is 1 Reply. #: 12088 S1/General Interest 05-Sep-91 18:08:54 Sb: #12086-Execution path Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 Depends...the 68K shells allow such a thing. Shell+ for the 6809 does, too, but there's no convention by which the "path" information is passed to spawned shells, so that it's lost if, for example, you escape to a shell from within a terminal program. Press !> #: 12092 S1/General Interest 05-Sep-91 23:41:50 Sb: #11989-#Atlanta 'Fest Fm: Eric A. Cottrell [WIT] 76327,515 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Hi Kev, When is Atlanta? Sure miss the easy drive to New Jersey! 73 Eric.... There is 1 Reply. #: 12096 S1/General Interest 06-Sep-91 01:48:41 Sb: #12092-Atlanta 'Fest Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Eric A. Cottrell [WIT] 76327,515 (X) Eric - I think it's Oct 5-6. Anyone know? All I know is that it's, as usual, coming up too quickly for me :-) #: 12113 S1/General Interest 07-Sep-91 18:45:34 Sb: #12088-#Execution path Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) OK. But how do you get more than 1 searchpath recognized by the shell that you are currently working out off. I am not worried about shells that are temporary (spawned) through a term program or equivalent techinique. There is 1 Reply. #: 12119 S1/General Interest 07-Sep-91 21:24:18 Sb: #12113-Execution path Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 In the OS-9/68000 shells, you simply setenv PATH ::...: to get that effect. I never used the 6809 shell+ path stuff, but I bet it is analogous. #: 12130 S1/General Interest 08-Sep-91 14:42:22 Sb: CoCo forum Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: All Has everyone checked out the new games in the CoCo forum? There's a version of hangman with interesting graphics. There's also one called SPELLDOWN (SPELLD.ARC) which requires downloading 2 files; the deARCed set of files of one must be on drive 0, the other on drive 1 in a 512k CoCo; won't work properly with a 1 meg upgrade (at least on mine; I also have a 512k CoCo). Both can be unARC'ed with ARCHIV.BIN Hangman (mentioned above) does seem to work with any CoCo-3. Doc files are lean on both; read'em with a w.p. #: 12131 S1/General Interest 08-Sep-91 14:43:04 Sb: SciCalc Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: anyone Has anyone been able to use the scientific calculator program? Once loaded as a module and called, it seems to only display opening logos and freeze up the screen. Can be found in Applications lib. -ph- #: 12152 S1/General Interest 09-Sep-91 22:08:40 Sb: gshell+ Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: anyone I thought I'd go back and try an ipatch to gshell from the ground up and keep a sort of log of ident changes along the way to the latest version but didn't get past square 1. Maybe it's too long ago to remember what the first step is; correct me if I'm wrong: Take a stock gshell and apply the gshell.ipc patch thusly: Ipatch gshell.ipc gshell gshell+ -v I get: IPatch Version 1.1 CopyRight (c) 1987 By R.M.Santy Patch entry for $0002 Changes 2 bytes Old file data mismatch at $0002 is $FF, should be $3F Patch NOT complete ERROR #001 If I do an ident on gshell after this attempted patch I get >module header incorrect< So what's going on? -ph- #: 12162 S1/General Interest 10-Sep-91 08:04:29 Sb: #gshell+ Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) I knew that gshell+ as a filename won't work but I'd rename it after deleting the original gshell. I thot of using dEd too but the patch must have worked the first time I tried it or I wouldn't now have an upgrade already!...(?) How 'bout using modpatch after having loaded original gshell into memory within an OS9 boot, SAVEing to /r0, then applying the gshell.ipc patch? -ph- Oops, seem to have hit DELETE on your message instead of CANCEL. There is 1 Reply. #: 12167 S1/General Interest 10-Sep-91 10:10:18 Sb: #12162-gshell+ Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Sure, modpatch should work for that. kev urrgh. lotsa line noise today. #: 12178 S1/General Interest 11-Sep-91 08:29:47 Sb: OS9p3 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: anyone What is OS9p3 I've seen mentioned lately? -ph- #: 12181 S1/General Interest 11-Sep-91 18:02:01 Sb: #12152-#gshell+ Fm: Bob Santy 76417,714 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Paul: What does IDENT say about the original gshell BEFORE running IPatch? IPatch opens the second argument (assumed to be the original module) for input and does not modify it. I would guess that the original is somehow corrupted. Offset 2 in the module header is the most significant byte of the module size. A size of $FF.. would make for a pretty large module. Bob There is 1 Reply. #: 12182 S1/General Interest 11-Sep-91 18:10:19 Sb: #12181-#gshell+ Fm: Bob Santy 76417,714 To: Bob Santy 76417,714 (X) Paul: I just noticed that the output file was named "gshell+". The "+" is not a legal OS9 file name character and may be the problem. IPatch probably opened "gshell" for output as well. Try another (legal) name. Bob There are 2 Replies. #: 12185 S1/General Interest 11-Sep-91 19:19:33 Sb: #12182-gshell+ Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Bob Santy 76417,714 (X) Ok, will try it later. -ph- #: 12191 S1/General Interest 11-Sep-91 21:43:31 Sb: #12182-gshell+ Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Bob Santy 76417,714 (X) Yep, that did it. That also explains why I was able to successfully upgrade gshell some time ago - just used a filename without the '+' as whimsically as I used it this time. Thanks. -ph- #: 12198 S1/General Interest 12-Sep-91 00:01:48 Sb: #xym or xfr? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: All I'm going through stuff trying to transfer things from my CoCo to my MM/1, and in the process (a rather hairy one; I think I'll go to some trouble to avoid having to do anything with the source of rz and sz; a shame, because the versions I have appear to have comm paths wired into them for some reason), I found something interesting. I have two programs that, apart from some character string constants, are identical. The programs in question are "xfr" and "xym." Somebody appears to have changed the banner, including the author's name, and distributed the program; a rather tacky thing to do IMHO. Anyone out there know for sure who really wrote this program? I've kept the one that had "protocol" spelled correctly in the banner, but that's just my personal bias. I'd really rather keep the version that correctly attributes the authorship. There is 1 Reply. #: 12204 S1/General Interest 12-Sep-91 04:10:45 Sb: #12198-#xym or xfr? Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Actually, I've been looking for the author of the "xym" program for some time. At one time, it was considered the only x/y modem transfer that functioned correctly under StG Net. I did not know of the existance of a duplicate "xfr" program - who is the author stated on it? Maybe that was the original copy. Unfortunately, I can only add to the confusion... StG There is 1 Reply. #: 12207 S1/General Interest 12-Sep-91 04:28:15 Sb: #12204-#xym or xfr? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 (X) Oops...that's the version I tossed. (Guess I was too quick...hang on a minute...aha! It says "Bob Thomas" where the other says "Jim Hollier.") There is 1 Reply. #: 12226 S1/General Interest 13-Sep-91 07:26:20 Sb: #12207-#xym or xfr? Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) JJ, The version I scarffed from Pete's box years ago is: XModem & YModem Protocal File Server (c) copyright 1988 Written by Bob Thomas SYNTAX: xfr opt1 opt2 filename where opt1 = x for xmodem = y for ymodem where opt2 = r for uploading s for downloading where filename = any legal OS9 filename example: xfr x s testfile xfr y r testfile Help? Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 12227 S1/General Interest 13-Sep-91 07:30:09 Sb: #12226-#xym or xfr? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Yup! Thanks. Kind of depressing to think that somebody would mung a program to insert his name instead of the original programmer's, eh? There are 3 Replies. #: 12229 S1/General Interest 13-Sep-91 07:35:08 Sb: #12227-xym or xfr? Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Perhaps 'low-down' is a better description .... Steve #: 12235 S1/General Interest 13-Sep-91 20:37:46 Sb: #12227-xym or xfr? Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) That's probably why I was never able to find that Hollier guy. StG #: 12257 S1/General Interest 15-Sep-91 21:28:36 Sb: #12227-#xym or xfr? Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) James (and others...), I've been following this and other threads on using various com programs to transfer files between the coco and the mm1 -- I don't get it! Why not just get a disk drive which is compatible with the coco and the mm1 and exchange disks. I stuck a 80 track drive in my mm1 the day I got it and have been flipping disks back and forth ever since. It's just a matter of setting up a descriptor. For coco disks you have to set typ=20, soffs=1, sct=12, tos=12, cyl=50. The rest stays the same as for a HD mm1 disk. The only problem I've had with the mm1 disk driver is that it will not format a standard format (track 0 single density) and it will not double step for a 40 track disk in an 80 track drive. BTW, it will read/write single density--I hope someone is working on this. Hope this helps. There is 1 Reply. #: 12264 S1/General Interest 16-Sep-91 03:11:49 Sb: #12257-xym or xfr? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) That is probably the fastest way to do it. (Nudge Paul Ward inclusive-or Carl Kreider about the 40-track disk in 80-track drive, etc.) #: 12230 S1/General Interest 13-Sep-91 08:26:55 Sb: #QNX for PC Fm: Robert Hines 76137,1362 To: all I'm looking for general information on the QNX operating system on the PC platform. Any suggestions on where to look will be greatly appreciated. Thanks There is 1 Reply. #: 12236 S1/General Interest 13-Sep-91 21:13:47 Sb: #12230-QNX for PC Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Robert Hines 76137,1362 That's a good question. I looked around a bit, and couldn't find any specific place for QNX support. What I'd do is this: post your question in DDJFORUM, CLMFORUM and CONSULT. I've seen, once in a while, QNX users pop up... especially in the first two. Luck! - kevin #: 12251 S1/General Interest 14-Sep-91 21:56:17 Sb: The Rescue Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: All Not having the author of The Rescue on-line any longer has prompted me to find my own solution of completing all 25 levels. It can be done by a bit of finagaling. The problem seemed to be that there are too many locks or not enough keys to complete level 23. My solution was to repeat a level which supplies one extra key. I re-named level1.tank to lvl1.orig and copied level5.tank to level1.tank. (It randomly leaves you with an extra key or not). Anyhow, with 3 keys I was able to complete level 23 but could not advance to L24, there being no 'escape hatch' so I must conclude there are 2 bugs to L23. The practical solution is to copy any other favorite level to level23.tank (if it doesn't also set you up with too few keys) and then you should be able to go a full 25 rounds. (The game then repeats to level 1, etc.) -ph- #: 12286 S1/General Interest 19-Sep-91 11:40:16 Sb: #RSDOS TO OS9 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: anyone Several people have asked about transferring files from rsdos to os9 using the utility DOSOR9.BAS, with the main concern being the size of file allowable. As written, that seemed to be about 32k or 64k bytes. I suggested that a way to increase that to just under 100 k bytes is to add the following line: 2326 IF NN>32767 THEN NN=NN-32768:GOTO 2326 'PGH 09/09/90 Now I'm wondering why there is still an upper limit to the transfer. If the size is over 100k or so, OS9 replies with a 'file too fragmented' error. This appears to be due to OS9's inability to keep track of where the file is if OS9's f.a.t. needs more than 1 sector (I'm guessing mostly at this). Since OS9 prefers to have files written to contiguous sectors, a lengthy RSDOS conversion might appear to be fragmented even tho to RSDOS it is not, ie: RSDOS can use granules 32 to 68 consecutively; so far so good. If a file needs more room, then the order becomes 30-31, 28-29, 26-27, etc. instead of 0 - 31. All this presumably because of the directory track being #17, right in the middle of the disk. So my reasoning is that the second half of a very long rsdos file might appear too fragmented to OS9. If this is the case, perhpas a patch to rsdos to store files from granule 0 - 31 would allow DOSOR9 to transfer a file up to 68 granules long since OS9 wouldn't have to keep track of many non-contiguous sectors/granules. But I don't know that much about how OS9 keeps track of files. Clarification please? -ph- There are 2 Replies. #: 12287 S1/General Interest 19-Sep-91 12:40:07 Sb: #12286-#RSDOS TO OS9 Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) A full 68 Granules cannot be DOSOR9'ed since you need to take Track 0 out of service for OS-9's use. I don't believe a simple patch will fix the problems you described but I suppose one could _carefully_ use DSKI$ and DSKO$ to physically move the files around to a more "acceptable" form and then to manaully update DECB's FAT. Despite the "fix" you described, I have never successfully used DOSOR9 with more than 21 Granules used per disk. I have already decided to just get GCS File Transfer Utilities and complementary SDISK-3 so I can handle any size DECB file (up to 68 Grans anyway) as well as MS-DOS disks. Not to mention having something better than trscopy to transfer OS-9--->DECB. For a file that's not too big, I've found the best way to do that is to upload it to my PER area on sterm and download it on Ultimaterm. (Or sometimes, just redownload from the Lib or the BBS). Trscopy will usually manage to huff and puff its way through transfers to OS-9 but I still have a lot of trouble with making it do the opposite. There are 2 Replies. #: 12291 S1/General Interest 19-Sep-91 21:57:55 Sb: #12287-#RSDOS TO OS9 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) I guess you're right about patching rsdos; forgot about track 0 for OS9. But that might not otherwise been a solution either; dunno. As for dosor9, you should have the version updated for files larger than 32k. This should work for files up to about 62-64k. My fix works only on this one. Check your version for the following lines: ------- 300 GOTO 9900 ---- ------ 2300 ' binary string output 2320 N$="":FOR I=1 TO NS 2324 NN=NUM 2325 IF NUM>32767 THEN NN=NUM-32768 'fix for files >32k 2326 IF NN>32767 THEN NN=NN=32768-GOTO2326 'fix for >64k PGH 09/09/90 2330 N$=CHR$(NN AND 255)+N$ 2340 NUM=INT(NUM/256) 2350 NEXT I:RETURN 9900 PCLEAR 1:CLS:CLEAR 2000:GOTO 500 If your version matches this version and it still doesn't work, make sure your large file is the only one copied onto a newly formatted disk and try again. If it still doesn't work, I can send you a complete copy of mine for comparison. You are the first person to say whether my version has worked or not, other than myself, altho some have said to have tried it; so I have no new stats to recite. I've just converted a file of 44 grans using this modified dosor9! -ph- There are 2 Replies. #: 12294 S1/General Interest 19-Sep-91 23:27:26 Sb: #12291-#RSDOS TO OS9 Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) My version does have the lines you listed. I'll have to go back and try something with a large file as the only one on a disk. There is 1 Reply. #: 12310 S1/General Interest 20-Sep-91 08:27:24 Sb: #12294-RSDOS TO OS9 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) You might check out the suggestions offered by others on this thread, namely using PCDOS & RSDOS to convert your files. I did some checking with an decb program called ZAPZ.BAS- this allows you to look at individual sectors including those on an OS9 disk (yep). What was most interesting was the way DOSOR9's f.a.t. is constructed- not at all similar to the way OS9 does it in a pure OS9 environment. (I don't even understand why it works at all.) If you check lines 807, 1190, & 1192 you will see that DOSOR9 imposes its own upper limit on file sizes due to the maximum allowable string length of 250 char. I don't know enuf about OS9 and directories to muddle out of this one. I've been rather delinqent in doing OS9 homework; my policy has been to find out only enough to get by with the current problem. As it stands, I too have found other solutions to transfer larger files and even used my own upgrade only until a file >100k came along. Now if someone could modify DOSOR9 to produce a 'pure OS9' type directory...... -ph- #: 12307 S1/General Interest 20-Sep-91 07:49:01 Sb: #12291-RSDOS TO OS9 Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Paul, You may wish to investigate a suite of files called RSDOS.AR that handles reading and writing RSDOS files from inside OS9. It's what I use and havn't run across any problems. Should be in the libraries here. Steve #: 12352 S1/General Interest 20-Sep-91 22:11:26 Sb: #12287-#RSDOS TO OS9 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) I've used sterm to download files to a ramdisk directly. This will work even tho the proper speed-up patches to OS9 modules haven't been done. I used the send ahead protocol with a 2400 baud modem resulting in a net baud rate of 1400+ which I understand is rather slow compared to that gained by adding the proper patches (irq hack, too, probably.) You also lose proper screen display somewhat by not upgrading; but it works. Change Sterm's data directory to /r0. -ph- There is 1 Reply. #: 12356 S1/General Interest 21-Sep-91 01:47:13 Sb: #12352-RSDOS TO OS9 Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) That's what I do. I used to have sterm (1.2) download directly to floppy disk, but back then I was using sterm only on the DC Modem Pak. As you might imagine, the speed of file transfers was not appreciably reduced. I still, as a rule, make my downloads for both DECB and OS-9 under DECB. I use a 2400bps modem under DECB and it works just fine. But I once before started a thread about having probs under OS-9 which were diagnosed as need of IRQ hack. I found back then that I lost only a few characters here and there on the display at 1200 baud tho file transfers appeared completely reliable. At 2400, I had a lot of character loss but downloads did OK. What I did for that was take careful note of the Lib section and exact filename. Since I've been on CIS so many times, I know my way around well enough that I could lose a lot of characters and still know where I was. So what I'd do is log on then wait for my modem's RD light to go out. I'd GO OS9 and wait for some semblance of "Forum !" and a dark RD light, and so on til I was ready to log off. The biggest problem I had was keeping track of my time since I could not depend on a usable Connect time = h:mm message after logoff. #: 12292 S1/General Interest 19-Sep-91 22:23:50 Sb: #12286-#RSDOS TO OS9 Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) I'm puzzled. For years now I've watched people describe their troubles using DOSOR9. I used to use it too, with all the problems of maximum file size, oddly set up disks (track 0 unused; my files ALWAYS seemed to end up on track zero), too much fragmentation, and so on. The reason I'm puzzled is that for a long time now I've been using a MUCH nicer program, RSDOS (downloaded from RSDOS.AR). RSDOS (and its sister program PCDOS), operating under OS9, allows you to read DECB directories, read or write DECB files (writing allows a bunch of switches for file type, etc.) and do deletes from DECB disks. It doesn't seem to have an upper limit to file size, nor does it care about track 0 on the DECB disk. So why do I seem to be the only one using it? I'm sure it came from one of the libraries here, so take a look. Oh, it requires either SDISK or the patched CC3Disk to operate. If you try it I suspect you'll relegate DOSOR9 to a suitable archive disk. There is 1 Reply. #: 12308 S1/General Interest 20-Sep-91 07:50:54 Sb: #12292-RSDOS TO OS9 Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X) Ian ... you're not alone ! :-) I think I used DOSOR9 to nabb my first OS9 terminal program. Then it was RSDOS from then on. It's a dandy. Steve #: 12290 S1/General Interest 19-Sep-91 21:01:02 Sb: #In Search of Stuff Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 To: all I am looking for a couple of items and I'm hoping that someone here can help me find: 1) A can of "Diet Jolt." I read an article a while back that said they were going to come out with this. Regular Jolt I can find, but I need some Diet Jolt for a project I'm working on. 2) The manufacturer of the joysticks used in arcade game machines. I'd like to replace my defective joystick mechanism. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide! -J There is 1 Reply. #: 12300 S1/General Interest 20-Sep-91 01:17:54 Sb: #12290-In Search of Stuff Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 (X) GRIN. Sorry, I drink the Southern programmer soda: Dr Pepper! :-) Which arcade game; which kind of joystick? (I wonder if one of the GAMExx forums would know?) #: 12293 S1/General Interest 19-Sep-91 22:34:22 Sb: #OS/2 Fm: Art Doyle 71565,262 To: 76476,464 (X) Hi Paul, What do you think of the new OS/2 ? Does it suffer from the meladies you described last year? Art There is 1 Reply. #: 12359 S1/General Interest 21-Sep-91 11:22:06 Sb: #12293-#OS/2 Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: Art Doyle 71565,262 (X) Art; Saw your note on OS/2. Assuming you're talking about the V.2.0 release (which is in Beta test and due to be released RSN), yep they've managed to get almost all the 'bugs' out and make it much more robust. I've seen video of demonstrations put on by the 'blue Ninja' (an IBM VP) that blow most people's socks off... kinda ho-hum for us OS-9 types tho, as we've been doing this stuff for years on a $200 machine! The interface is very like Windows 3.0, but at this point not quite as snazzy. Windows and DOS apps run unmodified in the DOS box(es) and programs written for the 32 bit processor *really* fly! Looks like this may become the next 'standard' and finally replace DOS. Time will tell. The BIG difference in this version is that the developers have been using conferencing and a large base of beta testers to get the final release 'just right' -- something radically different for Big Blue. For more info, go IBMOS2 and check out the forum. ..Jim There is 1 Reply. #: 12374 S1/General Interest 22-Sep-91 14:48:51 Sb: #12359-OS/2 Fm: Art Doyle 71565,262 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X) Thanks Jim ! #: 12305 S1/General Interest 20-Sep-91 07:12:40 Sb: #12096-Atlanta 'Fest Fm: Eric A. Cottrell [WIT] 76327,515 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Thanks Kev, Not much time for the old CoCo. Still lurk around the forum. I am going to LA in November so I can not get away. I am going to learn some more about orbiting objects. 73 Eric... #: 12336 S1/General Interest 20-Sep-91 17:04:15 Sb: #12014-#The Rescue Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Floyd lives in Cincinnati. I have his phone number if you need it. Best, Paul IMS There is 1 Reply. #: 12353 S1/General Interest 20-Sep-91 22:11:51 Sb: #12336-The Rescue Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Well, Floyd's address is given in the docs to his games, but I don't have time to persue the matter further; besides the fudge fix works. 'Course if there are no bugs in level 23, and it is just my perception that there are, I'd have to find time to go back and play some more legitimate rounds. -ph- #: 12360 S1/General Interest 21-Sep-91 11:23:04 Sb: Sir Speedy! Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Mark; Thanks for the phone call AND the prompt service. Looking forward to getting back to doing some serious programming on the MM/1 in the near future. Now, if I only had my I/O board (Paul, hint - hint!) so I didn't have to keep swapping floppies and some more memory! Thanks, ...Jim #: 12367 S1/General Interest 21-Sep-91 21:18:19 Sb: 1 meg upgrade Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: anyone Just finished browsing thru the latest Rainbow and found that no one appears to be advertising the 1 meg upgrade any longer!!! Does that mean it is no longer available from any distributor or that they just don't run the adv in each issue? -ph- #: 12376 S1/General Interest 22-Sep-91 16:59:56 Sb: #Bogus Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Sysop (X) I sure do miss checking in every now and then and typing ANN;5 for a list of new uploads. Was there a CIS software change or something? Paul R. There is 1 Reply. #: 12401 S1/General Interest 25-Sep-91 08:43:27 Sb: #12376-Bogus Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 Paul, Sort of ... By doing a SCAN with the age switch you can come up with the latest files in each of the libraries. Not as handy as seeing everything in one list but that's also soon to change with some new software that's due to hit the forum's by the end of October. You'll be able to apply ANY library command across ALL librarys in a forum, with a command such as SCA /lib:all /age:10 The software is currently running in the PRACTICE forum. You can check it out for free. Steve #: 12402 S1/General Interest 25-Sep-91 09:07:36 Sb: #WHAT'S AN OS-9 ??? Fm: Victor Epstein 70004,515 To: ALL Hi ! I've never heard of OS-9 and I kind of wandered in here by accident. It appears to be an operating system for the old Tandy Color Computers--am I right ? Can someone tell me a little bit about this system and the forum. Do any other machines use the OS-9 ? Thanks --Vic There are 2 Replies. #: 12405 S1/General Interest 25-Sep-91 15:19:09 Sb: #12402-WHAT'S AN OS-9 ??? Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Victor Epstein 70004,515 Victor, OS-9 was originally written for the Motorola 6809. The Tandy CoCo product family (1/2/3) has always used the 6809 as its processor. When the 68000 CPU was developed it seemed natural to extend OS-9 to that processor as well. The 68K version of OS-9 is sometimes called OSK, but it's still officially called OS-9. With the advent of better Intel processor chips, it became feasible to extend the OS-9 product line into the Inael chip world. OS-9000 is a "portable" version of OS-9, that is, it's predominately written in C. Only very low level routines are written in the host processors native machine language. OS-9000 will run on Motorola 680x0 processors and is slated, I believe, to run on some of their RISC processors as well. It also runs on the Intel '386 processor. Microware is finishing up an MS-DOS emulator, that will allow a 386 host running OS-9000 to run multiple MS-DOS applications. OS-9(000) is a real-time, multi-tasking, multi-user operating system which has some similarities to Unix, but with a better interrupt handling system (for better handling of the real-time applications). The real-time functionality is facilitated by some special OS-9 features, namely, preemptive task switching, process execution control and fast, flexible interrupt service routines. More detail on this can be found in the OS-9 Catalog. OS-9 for the CoCo3 even does windows. We've been multi-tasking and doing windows for years, in fact. My CoCo3 here at work uses an Epson Equity II+ as a terminal through a multi-port serial card that I have plugged into the CoCo3. Microware Systems Corporation developed OS-9. They can be reached by mailpat: 1900 N.W. 114th St Des Moines, Ia 50325-7077 ph: (515) 224-1929 Ask for Steve Johnson. Ask him to send you an OS-9 Catalog and/or an OS-9 Sourcebook. I believe they also have counterparts for these books for OS-9000, too. Lee #: 12406 S1/General Interest 25-Sep-91 15:58:52 Sb: #12402-WHAT'S AN OS-9 ??? Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Victor Epstein 70004,515 Hi Vic! If you're who I think you are, I had meant to send you some info for your "orphaned" and "niche" machines article. Is it still planned? The July 1989 Online issue had a story about this forum and the OS-9 operating system (which runs on many machines)... but I think an update is needed. Especially as, since then, one of the machines which runs it (the Tandy CoCo) has been discontinued. Didn't matter much to the owners tho :-) I think there's more OS-9 users on it now, than there were before the CoCo was orphaned! In addition, some neat new 68K machines have been built, designed in part from massive OS-9 user discussions held here. Some of that's still in the libs, I think (15?). Anyway, just wanted to say "hello and welcome aboard". Ask away... we'll all do our best to answer any Q's you have. You can also "GO MSC" to check out Microware's display area... has much OS-9 info. cheers - kevin #: 12435 S1/General Interest 28-Sep-91 10:56:20 Sb: FILE FINDER Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 To: ALL Barring the intro of a File Finder forum selection for OS9 I wonder if it would be to much trouble to introduce a across the libraries search and find program similar to the one just recently introduced in the UNIX forum. It would practically do the same thing as a file finder type forum but probably be a lot cheaper to implement. Is there reasonable chance for that in the near future ???. I certainly hope so since trying to find any one specific file or even only a type of file based on a keyword is nearly impossible unless you know exactly which library it's in, and even then it's not easy unless you know the that was used when it was stored. Joerg Sattler Press !> #: 12438 S1/General Interest 28-Sep-91 16:58:57 Sb: #12435-#FILE FINDER Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 (X) Joerg, The cross-library searching will be introduced in all forums, sooner or later. Forums rotate as to which ones are test forums for new stuff, and we're just not on that list right now :-) So hang on, shouldn't be long before all forums have that feature. PS: speaking of keywords, have you ever tried this: just typing "key" in a library? It lists all the keywords people have used. Sometimes handy. kev There is 1 Reply. #: 12455 S1/General Interest 30-Sep-91 17:59:03 Sb: #12438-FILE FINDER Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) using KEY did not qccour to me. Thanks #: 12443 S1/General Interest 29-Sep-91 10:15:07 Sb: #12435-FILE FINDER Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 (X) Joerg, Latest on the across library search software is that it hits the general forums mid to late October. As a result of the testing you've run across in the UNIX forum (and a few other beta sites) a few more performance issues are being fine tuned. Hang in there! Steve #: 12450 S1/General Interest 30-Sep-91 01:56:07 Sb: #12435-#FILE FINDER Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 (X) Adding to what Steve said.... In other words, it ain't ready, yet. But they're working on it. Just FYI, Joerg, all of the forums run the same software, in general. There are some forums that are beta testing upcoming software features/bugs, so what happens in one forum will generally propagate to all of the forums in due time. Wayne There is 1 Reply. #: 12456 S1/General Interest 30-Sep-91 18:01:33 Sb: #12450-FILE FINDER Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X) Thanks. Still and all this is still the best source of INFO. that I have found so far. I thank you for your encouraging words. Joerg #: 12445 S1/General Interest 29-Sep-91 18:29:01 Sb: SCRED Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: anyone Recently tried using SCRED in the dev. pack, but came up short. Seems my termset file is error; I used the values in the example for the COCO as asked by MAKETERM which placed termset in /d0/sys and now scred will boot but doesn't look or act right (but I'm not sure what 'right' is). Are there any tutorials for scred? -ph- #: 12458 S1/General Interest 30-Sep-91 23:42:54 Sb: #12374-OS/2 Fm: GENE TURNBOW 72457,220 To: Art Doyle 71565,262 Unfortunately, there is a widening chasm of opinion as to which product will be supported as the OS of the 90's, OS/2 or Microsoft's new contender which pretty much uses WINDOWS as the primary interface. Microsoft isn't doing OS/2 anymore, they've completely pulled away from it. The beta version of OS/2 v2.0 is the only version of it there will ever be. IBM is continuing without the support of Microsoft, but you can imagine how far that's going to go. IBM hopelessly screwed up the two tries at DOS they wrote all by themselves. I have no faith in their ability to keep the OS/2 ball rolling, especially considering that it had hardly gotten started. #: 12474 S1/General Interest 02-Oct-91 09:42:38 Sb: JOB!! Fm: DAVID BROOKS 76207,1301 To: all There is currently an available Software Engineers position inj Rochester, NY for an experienced OS9 / C programmer. The job is permanent employment. E-mail to David Brooks at 76207,1301 or call (716)624-5821 days or (716)425-4958 evenings. Dave #: 12504 S1/General Interest 03-Oct-91 22:14:01 Sb: #12230-QNX for PC Fm: Steve Ostrom 74730,345 To: Robert Hines 76137,1362 Qnx is written by Quantum Software , and I beleive their head office is in Kanata , Ontario near Ottawa. I have seen ads from them in many pc type magazines, and I beleive there is even a fido echo for them. I havent checked for areas here or competeing services. Qnx is a separate OS tho, it is unix-like but not dorectly compatible, or at least that is what I have picked up from some of the other areas. Btw I have used an application running under qnx many years ago. I wasnt impressed, but it was running on a pc with a cassette port on it. #: 12520 S1/General Interest 05-Oct-91 18:23:00 Sb: SLED Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 To: 76070,41 There is on Genie a file called WP31.AR that is so much like your SLED editor the resemblance is uncanny. Did you give up your copy right in this ????? A Thomas Kocorec OS9 Sigop. ACS BBS posted it with his name attached to it. With some minor style diffe differences its SLED updated . JS #: 12532 S1/General Interest 07-Oct-91 17:15:18 Sb: module upgrades Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 I made the kernel upgrade recently; some questions- since OS9 now recognizes 1 & 2 meg upgrades, is the MEGA command still necessary during startup; and is the upgraded MFREE needed yet? ------------------- A coupla days ago I upgraded SCF, CC3Disk, CC3IO, & ACIAPAK. Before placing them into MultiVue, I decided to install 'em into the OS9 boot. I found that all windows got messed up except for vdg. I replaced the new kernel with the old one, & booted again. This time, the window created by INIZ /W7; SHELL i=/W7& was ok, but all graphics windows created by INIZ /W#; DISPLAY 1B 20 7 0 0 50 18 2 0 2 >/W#; SHELL I=/W#& somehow got background &/or foreground munged; border color was correct. Since I replaced 4 modules at the same time I haven't a clue as to which the offending one might be. The new crc's are: module crc CC3DISK $E11F29 SCF $B41573 CC3IO $D5CD91 ACIAPAK $946661 My only guess is that ACIAPAK has nothing to do with the problem. -ph- #: 12617 S1/General Interest 14-Oct-91 11:33:15 Sb: #12603-module upgrades Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) No, I haven't begun yet to track down which module it might be so I'll play the odds and start with CC3IO. I was hoping someone would Btw, what's the news on the Atlanta CoCofest? -ph- #: 12620 S1/General Interest 15-Oct-91 11:37:04 Sb: #12603-module upgrades Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Update: tried removing one module at a time beginning with cc3io from os9boot, leaving the other 3 upgrades in the file. Tried scf & CC3Disk as well and got the same results. Guess I'll have to back track since my 'shortcut' method saved no time at all; don't know when I'll get back to it but should be in a coupla days. Next time I'll add 1 module at a time and see what happens. What's the word on the cocofest- news seems to be sparse? -ph- #: 12628 S1/General Interest 16-Oct-91 12:16:32 Sb: Computer Stories Wanted Fm: Mentor Technologies 76004,2571 To: All We are looking for humorous and instructive stories, myths, anecdotes and jokes about computer usage and support for inclusion in a possible book. Probable chapters/categories will be: * Installation/Getting Started * Printers and Peripherals * Wasting Time * Help desk Repartee and Tales of Woe * Shopping and Buying * The Language of Computing Contributors will be acknowledged and we will pay a small prize for the best in each category. Please include the following information with your submission: --Your name and address --Story true? --Do you want your name mentioned? --Mac/PC/Other computer? --Names in story true/false? --When occurred? Please send all submissions via electronic mail to ID# 76004,2571 Thanks for your help! Press !> #: 12646 S1/General Interest 20-Oct-91 20:16:45 Sb: SCSI Chip Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 To: all Does the MM/1 use the Western Digital 33C93 SCSI chip? If so what distributor carries this chip? Thanks, -J #: 12648 S1/General Interest 20-Oct-91 20:50:03 Sb: #arc help Fm: DICK SHARP 75266,2621 To: sysop (X) SYSOP----help I am trying to find the file that DE-ARC's the AR files . I have searched by the key word and only come up with the files that have an AR. sufix. Thanks for your help Dick There is 1 Reply. #: 12651 S1/General Interest 20-Oct-91 21:41:11 Sb: #12648-#arc help Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: DICK SHARP 75266,2621 (X) Hi Dick. Look in Library 9 (utils) for AR09.BIN (for 6809), or AR68.BIN (for 680x0). I believe there's also an AR.DOC file, or just yell up here for help. best - kevin There is 1 Reply. #: 12652 S1/General Interest 20-Oct-91 21:43:38 Sb: #12651-#arc help Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Wow. Cross-lib searching is neat. I tried a: sca/sho/lib:all ar* And up pops all the files beginning with "ar" and where they're at. Neat. There is 1 Reply. #: 12654 S1/General Interest 20-Oct-91 22:10:13 Sb: #12652-arc help Fm: DICK SHARP 75266,2621 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 Thanks for the help. I'll go look in 9. I also at first tried the crocc searching and gave up after a few moments. Total overload. thanks again. Dick #: 12720 S1/General Interest 27-Oct-91 17:27:17 Sb: #Disk format advice Fm: Barry L. Bond 72235,1530 To: All Long lost greetings! I'm back seeking advice! Disk formats are among my least knowledgeable areas of OS9. I have a TC70 and would like to write some backup data to 5.25" floppy disks in a format (std? stdd? ) which would be best should I ever decide to read these disks on another OSK system (System IV, MM1, or even a VMEbus system). What descriptor settings/format should I use to best accomplish this goal? I'm still financially unable to be here with the frequency I used to be, but I'll be popping through every now and then! Just a warning! :-) Barry There is 1 Reply. #: 12734 S1/General Interest 28-Oct-91 03:46:30 Sb: #12720-Disk format advice Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: Barry L. Bond 72235,1530 Hi Barry, Long time no talk - hear you have a UUCP link going? Care to share details? Assuming you have Version 2.4 of OSK, the recommended format (by MW) for media interchange is the Universal Format - 16 sectors/track all tracks, track and sector offsets of 1. If you want to interchange disks with people who don't have 2.4, I suggest using the 'MIZAR' format. This is 16 sectors/track all tracks, track and sector offsets of 0. Stay in touch. Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO #: 12765 S1/General Interest 29-Oct-91 19:55:29 Sb: #12734-Disk format advice Fm: Barry L. Bond 72235,1530 To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X) Hi Ed! No, I don't have a UUCP link going. I don't have a lot of things going yet. I've had much to deal with lately, and it has prevented me from doing a lot on my system. Besides, my system is not working in a stable enough manner for me to have much motivation to develop things on it. That is going to have to change, though... I'm still on 2.3 of OSK. I have 2.4 here, but I haven't upgraded because I am still seeing some "misbehaving" that I'd like to work out while I'm still using the same OS9 and utilities as I was used to on my old system. On September 12, I sent Frank a message detailing some of these anomalies. As of today, I have not heard any reply from him. A month and a half and counting... Thank you for the disk format advice, Ed!! I really appreciate it! Barry #: 12804 S1/General Interest 02-Nov-91 04:43:55 Sb: #INTERNET Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: steve wegert Steve, What is the correct address for the CoCoList on Internet? I gather it is >INTERNET:??????? Thanks for your help. Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO There are 3 Replies. #: 12807 S1/General Interest 02-Nov-91 10:11:18 Sb: #12804-INTERNET Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 Ed - Believe that 's correct. To be sure, best bet is to type HELP when you get in to cmail. There's a separate blurb on 'internet'. Pete #: 12809 S1/General Interest 02-Nov-91 10:15:28 Sb: #12804-INTERNET Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 Hang on Ed .... got the darn thing in my CIS address book so I never have to rememer it. Back in a flash! Steve #: 12810 S1/General Interest 02-Nov-91 10:21:20 Sb: #12804-INTERNET Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 Here you go Ed: 5 CoCo List >INTERNET: COCO@PUCC.Princeton.EDU 12 Listserv >INTERNET: LISTSERV@PUCC.Princeton.EDU Use the "CoCo List" address to post messages. Anything sent to that address will be re-broadcast to all subscribers. User the "Listserv" address to Subscribe to the List ... or issue any of the other LISTSERV commands (get, put, Index, etc). Give me a holler if you need more info. By the way ... you don't need to be a subscriber to post messages to the LIST. But to read the LIST you must subscribe. Steve Press !> #: 12815 S1/General Interest 02-Nov-91 17:49:10 Sb: #Hard drives Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 To: Bruce Isted What type drives (hard) will work best with the eliminator and the wd1005 SCSI, SASI, IDE, AT type, MFM or RLL. My two 10meg's are getting crowded. And I would like to put all files on one single drive. Joerg 74016,631 x/ex There are 2 Replies. #: 12821 S1/General Interest 02-Nov-91 19:38:01 Sb: #12815-Hard drives Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 (X) Joerg, Last time I talked to Bruce (a couple of months ago) he'd stopped dropping in here because of problems accessing whatever net he was using to get reasonable rates here. Maybe you should call him or try one of the other services. #: 12840 S1/General Interest 03-Nov-91 11:26:06 Sb: #12815-Hard drives Fm: BILL HEALTON 73367,357 To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 Joerg - The WD1002-05 (I believe this is the proper Eliminator controller) supported only MFM type Hard Drives (I believe there was a maximum of 3). I had worked up an interface and driver to use this same WD card, but switched over to Bruces when he first introduced th HCA (Eliminator predecessor). I switched to Atari ST about 2.5 years ago, but may still have some info on the WD card around. I am sure it only supported MFM. I also think there may have been a 1024 cylinder limit. Bill Healton 73367,357 #: 12831 S1/General Interest 03-Nov-91 07:32:29 Sb: #12807-INTERNET Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 Thanks, Pete. Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO #: 12832 S1/General Interest 03-Nov-91 07:33:23 Sb: #12810-#INTERNET Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Thanks, Steve. Sent my message - hope I didn't screw up. Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO There is 1 Reply. #: 12836 S1/General Interest 03-Nov-91 10:31:50 Sb: #12832-INTERNET Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 Ed, I have an account with Washington University that now sends me the LIST (rather than filling my CIS mail box to the hilt). I'll watch for it. Steve #: 12865 S1/General Interest 04-Nov-91 04:15:51 Sb: #12836-INTERNET Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 Steve, Sent my message using the following address - >INTERNET:COCO@PUCC.Princeton.EDU It bounced. The returned message follows - *** Start of returned header CompuServe Mail Date: 03-Nov-91 08:44 EST From: Mail Delivery Subsystem >INTERNET:Mailer-Daemon@csi.compuserve.com Subj: Returned mail: User unknown Sender: Mailer-Daemon@csi.compuserve.com Received: by ihb.compuserve.com (5.65/5.910516) id AA26582; Sun, 3 Nov 91 08:36:31 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 91 08:36:31 -0500 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-Id: <9111031336.AA26582@ihb.compuserve.com> To: 76576.3312@compuserve.com ----- Transcript of session follows ---->>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... User unknown 550 coco@princeton.edu... User unknown ----- Unsent message follows ---- What did I do wrong???? Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO #: 12881 S1/General Interest 04-Nov-91 18:31:38 Sb: #12831-INTERNET Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X) Ed - Try addressing to: COCO@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU..... Your pervious address lacked the PUCC. part.... Pete #: 12878 S1/General Interest 04-Nov-91 17:06:15 Sb: #12840-#Hard drives Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 To: BILL HEALTON 73367,357 If that is the case (MFM only) then I had better locate what I want quickly, I feel as if I am dealing with a fossil then, and access to the MFM drives seems to decline with time. Thanks for the reply. Joerg Sattler 74016,631 There is 1 Reply. #: 12885 S1/General Interest 04-Nov-91 20:17:28 Sb: #12878-Hard drives Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 Get a copy of Computer Shopper and look for MFM drives there. You may need a whole evening to come up with a shopping list (concentrate on the last 1/3d of the mag and use the indexes) but you should be able to come up with an adequate list. Don't expect any help from the dealers; ask your questions here and place your order when ready. #: 12893 S1/General Interest 05-Nov-91 08:19:38 Sb: #12865-INTERNET Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X) Ed, Beats the heck out of me .... that the same address. THe only thing I notice that's different is I have a space after the ':'. It shouldn't make a differenct, but who knows? FYI ... I just sent a message to the list from my CIS account using the same address. Made it just fine. Try again with the space and see what gives. Steve #: 12894 S1/General Interest 05-Nov-91 08:38:09 Sb: #12821-#Hard drives Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob, The next time you talk to Bruce, you might want to mention to him that the 800 access number is reported to work from within Canada. If Bruce was having trouble with DATAPAC, he might want to give that a shot. 1-800-848-4480 and for 9600 baud access: 1-800-331-7166 Surcharged at $9 /hr, I believe it's even cheaper than DATAPAC. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 12906 S1/General Interest 05-Nov-91 19:33:07 Sb: #12894-Hard drives Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 Re: 800 number from Canada--yes, I'll tell Bruce. Matter of fact, I might even give it a try myself as I'm using long distance to a CIS node right now. Let's see, $9.00 per hour is 15 cents per minute--my discount plan charges me 18 cents per minute. Sounds like it comes out pretty even (don't forget that I have to convert to CDN $$). Is the $9.00 the same at all times of the day? #: 12895 S1/General Interest 05-Nov-91 09:00:13 Sb: #12885-#Hard drives Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Somebody looking for an MFM drive? I have a monster I'm looking to get rid of (119 MFM; 183 RLL [megs]) that's almost unused... Crazy Eddie pricing too (;^}... Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 12898 S1/General Interest 05-Nov-91 10:38:06 Sb: #12895-Hard drives Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 I'm not the one who needs a MFM drive (though I wouldn't mind having a hard drive right now(g)). I saw a message further up the thread about how someone--I don't recall who--was wanting to get a MFM, and I thought I might contribute an idea that might make it a little easier to find one. As it is, my 360K floppy which has my archivers and extractors has only 44 256-byte clusters left--and that's with a lot of that disk archived. I have a total of about 18 Megs of stuff (that includes DECB but does not include backups (and I'm fully backed up)) and every byte on a 156K or 360K disk. And if I could transfer my ROMpaks.... At least I have a 720K drive ready to install pending arrival of a new drive cable. #: 12900 S1/General Interest 05-Nov-91 13:39:14 Sb: MW's SmartWare Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 To: all Does anyone here use Microware's SmartWare integrated package (database, spreadsheet, word processor, time manager, etc.)? How does its database capabilities compare to that of Sculptor? Thanks in advance, -J #: 12901 S1/General Interest 05-Nov-91 17:26:34 Sb: Hard drive Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 To: 76703,4230 In reply to your #12895. What constitutes CRAZY EDDIE pricing for thst 120meg HD. 74016,631 #: 12916 S1/General Interest 06-Nov-91 07:43:54 Sb: #12906-Hard drives Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 Bob, As I understand it, the $9.00 is a flat charge, regardless of time of day. Just like the network communication surcharge of $0.30 users get hit with on CIS nodes. Anyway ... do give it a try, Bob. I can't seem to get a straight answer on it's availabilty in Canada. Customer Service tells me no .. it isn't available, yet two Sysops tell me they use it all the time on their non-sponsored accounts. Go figure. Lemme know if it works for you, eh? BTW ... for more info on the 800 access, you might to try GO PHONE. Option 11, I think. Steve #: 12922 S1/General Interest 06-Nov-91 21:11:22 Sb: #12916-#Hard drives Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, good news -- 800 access works from Canada. Well, at least from my part (area code 604). Seems to be a nice line too (much less garbage than my normal long distance through to the CIS node in Vancouver, but that might just be for my one test call ). Funny, how the CS folks at CIS don't seem to know what's going on... There is 1 Reply. #: 12927 S1/General Interest 07-Nov-91 08:53:26 Sb: #12922-Hard drives Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Awright! Thanks for the confimation ... and do pass on this info to Bruce if you run into him. We'd like to see more of _both_ you guys! Steve #: 12930 S1/General Interest 07-Nov-91 19:16:56 Sb: #12893-INTERNET Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 Steve, Thanks (and to Pete Lyall). Pete spotted an error in my addressing so I sent the message again. It didn't bounce this time - yet. I understand that when a message is successfully accepted, a message is returned telling the send it went OK. I haven't received such a message. Is there any other way of knowing whether the message got through. If it did get through, Mark should be jumping all over me by now . Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO #: 12949 S1/General Interest 09-Nov-91 09:06:17 Sb: #12930-INTERNET Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X) Well .... if Mark has started jumping up and down yet ... it may be that the message hasn't arrived yet. ;-) With the note I sent the same day you inquired, I noticed it took over 24 hours to get the acknowledgment sent back. A delay anywhere along the path could ultimately cause problems with Internet traffic. For instance, if one 'node' (for lack of the right term) is down, mail that route throught it may be queued until the 'node' is back up. Best advice is hang tight. I'll also be logging into wuarchive today ... I'll see if I spot your note. Steve #: 12973 S1/General Interest 10-Nov-91 13:45:05 Sb: #12930-#INTERNET Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X) Ed, Welllllllllll ........ While a copy of your message is yet in my mailbox on wugate, there _IS_ a reply from Mark. And he is hopping up and down! :-) My guess is you should be seeing an acknowledgement in your CIS box any time now. It looks as if things are working as they are supposed to ... albiet a bit slow. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 12983 S1/General Interest 11-Nov-91 05:23:14 Sb: #12973-INTERNET Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, Thanks. I'll just wait. Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO #: 12974 S1/General Interest 10-Nov-91 17:10:03 Sb: #The Computer Chronicles Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413 To: All Did anyone ssee the COMPUTER CHRONICLES show last Sat? The show was all about TANDY computers THEN and NOW. The first few minutes of the show their was a section on the COCO and OS-9 Level 2 Keith There are 2 Replies. #: 12976 S1/General Interest 10-Nov-91 19:58:52 Sb: #12974-The Computer Chronicles Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X) No kidding? Gee whiz! Too bad that didn't happen a few years ago... #: 12977 S1/General Interest 10-Nov-91 20:00:32 Sb: #12974-#The Computer Chronicles Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X) Keith - rats! I usually watch the show, too! What'd they say about the CoCo and OS9 L-II? And do you remember who (if anyone) from Tandy was on there? thx! - kev PS: I'll watch for reruns later :-) There are 2 Replies. #: 12994 S1/General Interest 11-Nov-91 18:25:56 Sb: #12977-#The Computer Chronicles Fm: Toni Long 73517,2713 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Kevin send me your address & I'll send you the videotape, its about two or three minutes on coco. for your library. Toni Long 73517,2713 There is 1 Reply. #: 12996 S1/General Interest 11-Nov-91 22:32:04 Sb: #12994-#The Computer Chronicles Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Toni Long 73517,2713 When and where is 'the Computer Chronicles' aired anyway? There is 1 Reply. #: 13003 S1/General Interest 12-Nov-91 02:19:09 Sb: #12996-The Computer Chronicles Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 Computer Chronicles is usually on PBS. It's sponsored by BYTE magazine, and while it often covers mostly PC/Mac-oriented stuff, it does range widely at times. It's been on for years, once a week, around here... but at varying times (you know how PBS scheduling is :-) Either call your local PBS station to find out, or do what I do: look thru your local TV Guide with a fine-toothed comb. Daytime hours, usually. best - kev #: 13007 S1/General Interest 12-Nov-91 16:18:35 Sb: #12977-The Computer Chronicles Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 Kevin: A guy said (COCO/OS-9 USER GROUP FROM CAL.) WILL last as long as fans support it with software. They showed OS-9 Level Two No one was from tandy (on the coco part). For more info watch the RERUN, MY TAPE WAS A bad COPY. KEITH #: 12984 S1/General Interest 11-Nov-91 06:06:36 Sb: #Thanks Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: All To whomever sent me the floppy disk controller: I' errrr I'm sorry I forgot your name (sheepish grin), but many many thanks for your help. I'll send it back as soon as I havemy Disto controller fixed. May be a while tho since I have lots of things to fix. Sheeeesh. Thanks again, Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 12990 S1/General Interest 11-Nov-91 10:10:22 Sb: #12984-Thanks Fm: David Betz 76704,47 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 That was me! I'm glad to have been able to help. Don't worry about sending the controller back anytime soon. In fact, I don't really *need* it back at all. It's just that I'd rather you send it back than throw it away if you find you don't need it anymore. Good luck getting your Disto controller fixed! David Betz #: 13011 S1/General Interest 13-Nov-91 00:02:45 Sb: #13003-The Computer Chronicles Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Thanks Kev, If I find it I will set the old VCR to grab it. Don't watch hardly any TV; just the Simpsons basically. Paul #: 13028 S1/General Interest 13-Nov-91 18:33:47 Sb: #12996-The Computer Chronicles Fm: Toni Long 73517,2713 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 Hi handsome In CT it appears on the CCIT network; I get it on my cable on Mon 11:30 am and Fri 9:30 am. I've seen it on public tv here and there, no consistency. That's all I know. Toni #: 13029 S1/General Interest 13-Nov-91 18:36:37 Sb: #13007-#The Computer Chronicles Fm: Toni Long 73517,2713 To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X) Hi handsome I plan to tape it Fri. I may sell it to the highest bidder. I figure I should try to get something out of this, since I have not yet found ONE old rich man in os9land. WAIT! how old are you? are you rich? hehehehe Toni There is 1 Reply. #: 13030 S1/General Interest 13-Nov-91 19:27:05 Sb: #13029-The Computer Chronicles Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Toni Long 73517,2713 Toni - You're shameless! PS: I told Marsha about your "8" comment on the phone... she said, "What? Out of 100?" sigh #: 13017 S1/General Interest 13-Nov-91 00:39:33 Sb: 286 motherboard Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: All' I realize this is probably heresy here, but in case anybody wanted to slap together a cheap PC/AT for use as a terminal or whatever..... ======================================================================= 286 Motherboard: o - 1 megabyte of 0 wait state RAM on board configured as 640k conventional, and 384 extended. o - Phoenix BIOS o - Can be switched (software or switch) to run at 6MHZ. o - Quality full sized motherboard (STANDARD). I just pulled this out to install a 386/33. It runs very well - never any problems with it. First $75 takes it. Pete Lyall (805) 372-5493 CIS: 76703,4230 Internet: pete@wlbr.imsd.contel.com #: 13040 S1/General Interest 13-Nov-91 22:58:47 Sb: #13028-#The Computer Chronicles Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Toni Long 73517,2713 (X) Hey thanks. I don't see it anywhere in the TV guide. What's the CCIT network; something local to you? Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 13049 S1/General Interest 14-Nov-91 20:04:52 Sb: #13040-#The Computer Chronicles Fm: Toni Long 73517,2713 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) Hi handsome I forgot what the letters CCIT stadnd for, it's the Conn. cable tv educational channel. Toni There is 1 Reply. #: 13054 S1/General Interest 14-Nov-91 22:22:03 Sb: #13049-The Computer Chronicles Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Toni Long 73517,2713 Hmm. Will need a very long piece of cable. I'm going to call NJN just for kicks since they carry some PBS stuff. OK beautiful? Paul #: 13050 S1/General Interest 14-Nov-91 20:08:37 Sb: #13030-The Computer Chronicles Fm: Toni Long 73517,2713 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 Hi handsome Cheer up. An 8 is the highest number I have given so far. Besides, Marsha is your wife & has seen you in many ways I have not. Toni #: 13061 S1/General Interest 15-Nov-91 18:35:50 Sb: #13054-#The Computer Chronicles Fm: Toni Long 73517,2713 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) You are handsome AND clever. I got another copy of the show on tape. Send your address if, you want it. Toni There are 2 Replies. #: 13062 S1/General Interest 15-Nov-91 19:39:07 Sb: #13061-#The Computer Chronicles Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: Toni Long 73517,2713 (X) You mean the "Computer Chronicles" actually acknowledged the existence of something other than MSDOS and Macs? Aw C'mon. JohnW There is 1 Reply. #: 13072 S1/General Interest 16-Nov-91 17:14:55 Sb: #13062-The Computer Chronicles Fm: Toni Long 73517,2713 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X) Hi handsome Yes, they actually said "os9" and "multitasking" in the same sentence. I put it on my miracle list. Take care, Toni #: 13085 S1/General Interest 17-Nov-91 09:28:39 Sb: #13061-#The Computer Chronicles Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Toni Long 73517,2713 (X) Sure, I would like it; but I don't want to short you a tape. Sooo.... either I can send you a tape and you can make a copy or you can send me a tape and I will make a copy. My address is: Paul Rinear 81 Wilson Ave. Aberdeen, NJ 07747 Write anytime. There is 1 Reply. #: 13093 S1/General Interest 17-Nov-91 15:37:21 Sb: #13085-#The Computer Chronicles Fm: Toni Long 73517,2713 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) Paul don't worry about replacing the tape. instead, write me an osk game for my tc70, Henrietta. she has not had much fun lately. HAHAHAHA. Toni There is 1 Reply. #: 13103 S1/General Interest 18-Nov-91 19:55:42 Sb: #13093-#The Computer Chronicles Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Toni Long 73517,2713 (X) If I could, I would but alas; still a beginner at programming. Ever write any games? Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 13113 S1/General Interest 19-Nov-91 20:28:05 Sb: #13103-#The Computer Chronicles Fm: Toni Long 73517,2713 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) No, I don't know a THING about programming. I rely heavily on my charm and gorgeousness around here. It seems to have worked well so far. HA! Take care, Toni There is 1 Reply. #: 13128 S1/General Interest 20-Nov-91 18:02:55 Sb: #13113-#The Computer Chronicles Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Toni Long 73517,2713 (X) I have to rely on human kindness. Do you have any ideas for games? Sometimes good ideas bring the programmer out in people like me. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 13130 S1/General Interest 20-Nov-91 18:42:16 Sb: #13128-The Computer Chronicles Fm: Toni Long 73517,2713 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 Hi handsome I have some ideas for games - monopoly, scrabble, pinocle, and maybe strip poker with pics of men who take off their clothes. as you can see, I have very sophisticated taste. also chess, but I don't know much about chess. How's that?? Toni #: 13140 S1/General Interest 21-Nov-91 07:38:32 Sb: #800 access Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob ... Just curious. Have you stuck with the 800 access or gone back to your original method? Any comments on the line quality? Better ... worse .... the same? How about availability? Any busys? Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 13146 S1/General Interest 21-Nov-91 19:06:55 Sb: #13140-#800 access Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, I've stuck with the 800 access (matter of fact I cancelled by discount plan with the phone company!). The line seems to be better most of the time --fewer delays and less garbage. It's not 100% clean, but I sense an improvement. The only thing which bothers me is that when signing off I seldom get the last digit of the connect time message (from this logon: Connect time = 0:0). Something must be cutting off too fast? There is 1 Reply. #: 13165 S1/General Interest 23-Nov-91 14:59:01 Sb: #13146-800 access Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob, I take it you hit a ^C to start your login process. You might want to try just a . This should get you a HOST prompt. Answer that with either CPS or CIS and then proceed normally. Why all this bother? When you logout, you'll be dropped back to the HOST prompt.That should end any 'clipping'. Just respond OFF at the HOST prompt to end the session. Let me know if this helps. Steve #: 13148 S1/General Interest 21-Nov-91 21:39:08 Sb: #13130-#The Computer Chronicles Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Toni Long 73517,2713 (X) There is an spoker game here with pictures of women. Probably be easy enough to substitute in any pictures you want. You have a TC-70? Bet we could beat the record for longest message string. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 13155 S1/General Interest 22-Nov-91 18:24:00 Sb: #13148-The Computer Chronicles Fm: Toni Long 73517,2713 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) Hi handsome it would probably be easy to just substitute pics. First I have to get handsome men like yourself to send me their pics for models. I have a TC70 and love it. Actually, HER name is Henrietta. I think we are close to the limit on long message strings. Lets call the Guiness book people. HA! take care, Toni #: 13573 S1/General Interest 20-Dec-91 10:52:44 Sb: #Dead CoCo3 Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: ALL In message 13572 I stated where I left off in trying to get my CoCo to work the way it ought to. Now my main problem is going to be getting it to work at all. I am now absolutely 100% down and if it weren't for my access to a Macintosh I couldn't be on CIS now. I have lost the ability to power up into tape BASIC (let alone DECB) and the ability to run a ROMpak. The ability to run tape BASIC was next-to-the-last to go (before I lost everything) so I'm suspecting total failure of the 6809. The VDG chip seems OK as does the power supply. It may be a while before I have another CoCo 3 (can't pick one up at RS anymore and I've never seen one in the local classifieds). I can still check into the forums for message traffic but nothing else, and this is the way it is going to be for some unknown, indefinite period of time. There is 1 Reply. #: 13580 S1/General Interest 21-Dec-91 00:46:49 Sb: #13573-#Dead CoCo3 Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich - was it a CoCo-1 or CoCo-3 that went down? My CoCo-3 started acting flaky the other day, and finally last night it was crashing regularly (and with lotsa pretty gfx on the screen :-) Popping out the GIME chip and back in again cured everything. I think one of my new year's resolutions will be to power down and clean up the whole system, from connectors to sockets to disk drives! There is 1 Reply. #: 13589 S1/General Interest 21-Dec-91 12:04:22 Sb: #13580-#Dead CoCo3 Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) It's a CoCo 3 that's totally down. And I've done the GIME chip fix a few days ago and things only got worse until I was completely down. I did another GIME fix a month ago which did cure some ills. There are 2 Replies. #: 13597 S1/General Interest 21-Dec-91 23:06:00 Sb: #13589-Dead CoCo3 Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich - you might also want to make sure all the RAM chips are tight... after a while they sometimes "walk" their way out of sockets due to the heat. My symptoms the other day sounded like yours tho: not even coming completely up under RSDOS, failing to boot, or booting and then dying. Chips don't usually die a little bit at a time like that... but connections do! :) Luck! #: 13620 S1/General Interest 22-Dec-91 23:37:16 Sb: #13589-#Dead CoCo3 Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich, Sorry to hear that you're down. The last time my computer acted dead was because my multipak wasn't turned on. I would get a blank green screen. But you said you can't even use tape basic. What do you see on the screen when you turn the computer on? Anything at all? Is it black, green, or does the logo come up with no keyboard response? Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 13634 S1/General Interest 23-Dec-91 18:07:27 Sb: #13620-#Dead CoCo3 Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) I get everything you should see on startup except for the sign on message, the OK prompt, and the cursor. Just black and a green square. My Slot Pak III (what I use as a MPI) has no power switch. There is 1 Reply. #: 13645 S1/General Interest 24-Dec-91 17:43:06 Sb: #13634-#Dead CoCo3 Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Sounds like the last Coco3 I bought. I got a 'last one' from RS at a great price that did that. Never did find out what was wrong; just got another one. Try turning it on with Nothing hooked up; no slotpaks, etc. If you still get just green you're going to have to take it apart. Do you have a logic probe? Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 13649 S1/General Interest 24-Dec-91 20:09:38 Sb: #13645-#Dead CoCo3 Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) I have done that (nothing connected) and the results are the same. I've tried, based on another recommendation, popping out all my RAM chips and putting them back in. Still didn't work. From what I've heard on Delphi the problem almost has to be a dead 6809. I don't have a logic probe but I do have a very old oscilloscope (it's older than I am). I too got a last CoCo 3 so getting another one won't be quite as easy as it was even three months ago so I am going to have to fix the one I do have or more than likely stay with my 4K CoCo1 until such time that I have sufficient $$$$$$$$$$ for a PC. As it is my CIS bill has dropped over 90% now that I can only use someone else's Macintosh to get on so I should have the cash a little sooner if repair of my CoCo 3 is unsuccessful [DAt this point I won't be too hopeful. Dealing with the 6809 is by far my biggest hardware job ever. And I thought fixing my 'scope was a big job when I was doing that. There are 2 Replies. #: 13660 S1/General Interest 25-Dec-91 09:44:49 Sb: #13649-#Dead CoCo3 Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich, I have to agree with your sources over on Delphi. Sure sounds like the CPU took a hit. And that's not hard to do ... it's very sensitive in this particular design. If/when you replace it, take few extra moments to pop in a socket. You'll be glad you did when the next time you've fried the beast comes around. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 13672 S1/General Interest 25-Dec-91 21:41:17 Sb: #13660-Dead CoCo3 Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) I am definitely going to replace the 6809. Whether I will be at all successful is another matter. Only a quick look at the top of the board confirmed Marty Goodman's admonishment to be extremely careful so as to not damage the traces. My small-tip 15-watt soldering pencil will help; I used to only have a big-tip 30-watt which is fine for amplifiers and my all hollow state (i.e., all vacuum tube) oscilloscope that I almost have working at original specs. This CPU replacement is by a wide margin my most difficult to perform hardware job that I've ever considered attempting. I do feel up to the job but I am not going to keep my hopes up on this. I still remember my first attempt to build a 2-watt amplifier not to mention the 317 volt zap I got from the plate of a tube in that 'scope (could have been worse, the correct voltage was 360 +/-15%). I've already read about replacing the 6809 with a socket so I already had that planned. My "policy" is to always do that except in UHF and similar where a socket would significantly alter the circuit. #: 13667 S1/General Interest 25-Dec-91 15:15:28 Sb: #13649-#Dead CoCo3 Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) I forget: is the 6809 soldered in? If it is it's a little tricky. If you need a source for a 6809, just ask. BG Micro sells all versions of 6809 ranging from $1.29 to $4.00 and they have no minimum order. It's worth popping one in for the price. How about the one in the COCO1 ? Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 13673 S1/General Interest 25-Dec-91 21:51:07 Sb: #13667-#Dead CoCo3 Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) The 6809 is soldered. The GIME chip seems to be the only one socketed in my CoCo3 whereas nearly every chip in my "D" board CoCo 1 is. I have already looked at every chip in the CoCo 1 some months ago when I was studying the prospect of upgrading it to 64K and adding Extended BASIC if I can get a 24-pin ECB chip. But not one chip in that CoCo1 is labeled as a 6809 or anything close thereto. Even if I had found a 6809 in there it would only be a temporary solution since I doubt it could tolerate 2 MHz operation for long. I never tried to run the CoCo1 in 2MHz mode so I don't know if it even can. The upgrade I am considering for the CoCo1 which Marty Goodman urges me to not try seems to me to be no more difficult than replacing the 6809 in the CoCo3. I am certainly more confident in my potential for succesfully doing it than with replacing the 6809. I have already found a BG Micro ad in Computer Shopper which I got when I began looking for something to replace my DuMP-107. That's also where I will try to get some 4164's to upgrade the CoCo1. It's just the ECB chip that's a big problem. There is 1 Reply. #: 13699 S1/General Interest 26-Dec-91 21:53:43 Sb: #13673-#Dead CoCo3 Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) In my experience; forget about saving the 6809 that is in the COCO3 if you're going to replace. I believe RS still sells a desoldering iron with a sucker bulb built onto it. This is a BEST BUY desoldering iron. It has a little hollow tip that heats up and sucks up solder. With this, it is possible to desolder the 6809; but don't try it. Chances are the board will be damaged and the chip will have suffered from heat too. Cut the pins off the old 6809 with a very small pair of diagonal cutting pliers or tiny scissors. Then with a pair of needlenose pliers grab each pin and pull it from the board while heating its solder pad from the other side. You might need a small clamp vise to hold the board, I use my feet. Some of the holes will still have solder in them, but you can BLOW this out with that DE-soldering iron. Just heat the solder pod and squeeze the bulb quickly. After you have clear holes, carefully solder in a socket with RS's smallest iron (the blue one with the pin tip). It's really not that hard. How many 4164's do you need? This place is crawling with them. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 13706 S1/General Interest 27-Dec-91 12:59:46 Sb: #13699-#Dead CoCo3 Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) I see my biggest problem as being the small spaces involved. I have so far never worked with much beyond tubes and transistors (esp. TO-3, TO-92, and TO-220 cases) as far as soldering goes. I did once desolder a 14-pin DIP on a board that was cracked so whatever might happen as a result of the experience didn't matter much. I didn't even know what that board was for. Except for (un)plugging chips nearly all my hardware work has been with amplifiers and other big things. I'm really not having a problem with 4164 DRAMs. I do need eight. I have so far found four or five sources. Upgrading the CoCo1 to 16, 32, or 64K won't help much if I don't add Extended BASIC too. My biggest problem is with getting a 24-pin ECB chip. They seem totally unobtainable. (I have been told to get a CoCo2 instead of trying to upgrade the 1. I've checked the papers nearly every day for months and never see a Color Computer at all.) There is 1 Reply. #: 13709 S1/General Interest 27-Dec-91 18:39:36 Sb: #13706-#Dead CoCo3 Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) The most important thing in working those small spaces is to have small tools. That's why you get the tinniest tipped soldering iron you can. I'm willing to remove the 6809 chip and put in a socket if you pay postage both ways. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 13712 S1/General Interest 27-Dec-91 21:53:46 Sb: #13709-Dead CoCo3 Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) Thanks for your offer; however, take a look at the message I am about to COMPose: you'll see that the 6809 is really OK! I will more than likely get a spare anyway. #: 13603 S1/General Interest 22-Dec-91 09:30:42 Sb: #Where am I Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Anyone I know this question has been asked before but here goes: If someone hooked into the Internet wants to leave me E-mail on CI$, what is the address? Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 13604 S1/General Interest 22-Dec-91 10:22:49 Sb: #13603-#Where am I Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) Paul - Just mail to: user_id@compuserve.com like: 76703.4230@compuserve.com Note the use of the period instead of the tradiotional comma. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 13613 S1/General Interest 22-Dec-91 21:16:15 Sb: #13604-Where am I Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Thanks Pete, that is very helpful. Paul #: 13646 S1/General Interest 24-Dec-91 17:47:59 Sb: #Christmas! Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: all Merry Christmas to all!!! No snow this year :-( . .. . . . . . . . .. . . . . . <-- Artificial Hugo There is 1 Reply. #: 13671 S1/General Interest 25-Dec-91 19:52:08 Sb: #13646-#Christmas! Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X) No snow? You must've got the sparklies problem on your CoCo3 fixed... Lee P.S. And a happy winter solstice to you, too!!!!!!!!!! L V There is 1 Reply. #: 13698 S1/General Interest 26-Dec-91 21:16:45 Sb: #13671-Christmas! Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) You know, I never had sparklies on either my first 1986 vintage COCO 3 (which was killed by a power surge) or the second one which I am now using. Hugo #: 13682 S1/General Interest 25-Dec-91 23:36:09 Sb: #13269-mm1 step rates Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) About 80-track 5.25" disks -- I used to have one on my Coco OS9 system. It was great, but you can no longer find diskettes explicitly made for it (ie, certified 96 TPI but NOT the HI-Density). SO you have to buy good quality 48 TPI floppies and attend church regularly and still put up with errors. I finally replaced it with a 3.5" 720K job, which also is nice for transferring to/from the MM/1. Thanks to the Triple-A 68K computer brands, there are lots of diskettes available for that. --mike k #: 13707 S1/General Interest 27-Dec-91 13:36:24 Sb: Other Real-Time OSs Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 To: all The company I work for is currently looking for a new hardware and software combination on which to base our next generation of our products. We build protocol converters typically for use with mainframe computers, our current custom hardware uses multiple 6809s, one per user port. A major issue for us regarding new hardware/software is "time to market," so we are interested in using a standard off the shelf hardware platform that has multiple suppliers. We don't particularly care what the underlying hardware is as long as it is capable of giving us the performance that we need. I am looking to license C source code for the protocols (SNA, HDLC, SDLC, UDLC, Bisync, etc.) and then choose some sort of real-time operating system or kernel and then finally choose a hardware platform to run on. OS-9 68000 & 9000 are a couple of obvious choices but I am also investigating other alternatives and this is the basis of my question: Does anyone here have any experience with other real-time operating systems or kernels such as Kadak Products' AMX, MicroDigital's SMX, Quantum Software Systems' QNX, Digital Research's FlexOS, A.T. Barrett's RTXC, or U S Software's EasyTask!? If so, please either leave your comments here or else drop me your telephone number via E-Mail and I'll give you a call. All comments welcome as this is getting complicated in a hurry and the more input I can get the better! Thanks, -J #: 13713 S1/General Interest 27-Dec-91 22:05:27 Sb: #6809 OK, probs remain Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: ALL Marty Goodman on Delphi suggested I try downgrading my CoCo3 to 128K and see what happens; he added that I could for now I could leave out the two capacitors I earlier removed for the 512K upgrade. I did power up in ECB 2.0! So now I know that the 6809 was really OK after all. But some problems remain. I can get disk operation with the FD-502 going right into the cartridge slot but I cannot get disk operation at all with the Slot Pak III plugged in. I booted OS-9 from my copy of the original distribution disk since I know it can boot into 128K but I have more problems. I modpatched /d0 and /d1 for 40tks dsdd and 80 tks dsdd respectfully. My /d1 is 3.5". Whenever I try to access data on the 3.5" disks I always get a ERROR 249. I formatted a disk and it did format to 80 tks dsdd just fine, and I could dir and free it. Just not with an existing disk. At stake is the entirety of my erased hard drive which I will want to restore albeit with stock interleave so I must do something, but what? Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) There are 2 Replies. #: 13717 S1/General Interest 27-Dec-91 23:41:02 Sb: #13713-6809 OK, probs remain Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Glad to see things are at least workable now. #: 13721 S1/General Interest 28-Dec-91 01:51:25 Sb: #13713-#6809 OK, probs remain Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich - it does sound like your 128K boot's d1 descriptor isn't quite set up right. An error 249 would almost always come from the disk saying it needs more capabilities than the descriptor says that the drive has. Umm. Could it be the density "dns" value? Is it set to 1 or 3? kev There is 1 Reply. #: 13746 S1/General Interest 28-Dec-91 22:06:26 Sb: #13721-#6809 OK, probs remain Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) I would have to go look at it. All I did was take the d1 descriptor as it comes on the original distribution disk and used modpatch to set tracks to 80 (from 35) and sides to 2 (from 1), and I changed the step rate from 3 to 0 or 0 to 3, whatever sets it to 6mS. I didn't try to change the density. Unfortunately I don't recall how I got my normal /d1 descriptor. I may have taken the supplied d1_80d.dd or I may have modpatched the supplied d1_40d.dd. I'd check my boot disk revision notes except that I cannot access that disk anymore. I'll have to post my findings later. I no longer have use of my Slot Pak III which means no RS-232 pak which means I'm reduced to the DC Modem Pak and its built-in term pgm. I used that last time I was on. Now I'm once again using someone else's Macintosh so I will get an 80-column display and ANSI for the BBS I haven't been able to call for a long time. There is 1 Reply. #: 13753 S1/General Interest 29-Dec-91 10:42:16 Sb: #13746-#6809 OK, probs remain Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich - Then that may be your gotcha. The It.DNS byte needs to be set to 03 for 80 trackers (96tpi). Most drivers these days are also smart enough to double step if a 48 tpi (40 tracker/35 tracker) is detected when reading LSN0. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 13762 S1/General Interest 29-Dec-91 22:42:45 Sb: #13753-6809 OK, probs remain Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 I checked it out and that was indeed the problem. I checked all the 3.5" disks containing the hard drive and one existing disk and all was in order. I now most suspect the 41256 DRAMs as being *one of* my problem areas so I have 16 new ones coming. If they don't help I'll see about getting a 0K board. I like the advantages of a 512K system but that board was a nightmare to install and has caused so many problems ever since. I may just give in and purchase a true Tandy board and install it myself; maybe that will be reliable (at that price I should certainly hope so). My other problem as you may have seen is a dead Slot Pak. It may be a while before I can get another one of those. I was on a waiting list to get the one I have. And then have the next one die in 9 months--better get two of 'em. I'm getting OK results from Ultimaterm 4.1 on the bitbanger port now that I found my TRS-80 Telephone Interface II acoustic modem and pulled its 4-pin DIN adapter. From what I've heard about /t1 at bps rates >0 I suppose I'm through with sterm and SuperComm for a while. And nearly OS-9 too by being back down to 128K with 56K free on startup (I was getting 360-368K depending on boot disk used).