#: 3215 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    01-May-90  22:09:07
Sb: check it out
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: ALL
I my latest ad in the CoCo Clipboard piqued youed interest, go to lib14 and
download games.ar and give it a read. (Even you Shareware users of my games!)
Zack

#: 3343 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    07-May-90  17:57:49
Sb: Which new machine?
Fm: Mark B. Sheffield 76247,1332
To: ALL
I have been following the discussions about the new computers from
Kenneth-Leigh Enterprises/Interactive Media Systems and from Frank Hogg
Laboratories. Now that most people are familiar with the new machines, I wonder
if a concensus is building on them. Are you excited about either machine? Do
you plan to buy one? Why should I buy one?
Thanks for your replies.
-mark

#: 3462 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    13-May-90  15:44:31
Sb: Multi-user OS9 BBS
Fm: Michael Wood 71631,340
To: all
I am considering purchasing a 68k system to run a multi-user BBS on. I would
like to know what multi-user BBS's are out there for OS9. If anyone can help me
I would appreciate it!
Send me E_MAIL with any suggestions.
Thanks! Mike Wood (71631,340)

#: 3511 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    15-May-90  17:09:32
Sb: #3015-widows and orphans
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
Bob - late answer. See WIDOWS.TXT in Lib 8 of the DTPFORUM. Apparently there
are different definitions for both terms... and it depends on what book or
person you talk to <grin>. - kev

#: 3577 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    18-May-90  22:03:50
Sb: #3564-#No' Carolina
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
Jim,
  Lake Wheeler ring a bell? I believe that's the one you are looking at.
   Dan
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#: 3588 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    19-May-90  11:50:53
Sb: #3577-#No' Carolina
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)
~ Dan;
  Umm.. don't see a Wheeler Lake on this map.  Looks like it might be Jordan
lake - highway 64 appears to cross it at the southern end.
  Time to get a more detailed map, I'd say!
 Thanks,
   ...Jim
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#: 3640 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    20-May-90  23:25:31
Sb: #3588-No' Carolina
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
Well..
   Lessee....Jordan is quite a bit farther away (say 25 miles or so) and is
also near a town called Apex. Lake Wheeler though is with 10 minutes of my
house so that is why I thought you were thinking of it.
   Jordan is much nicer for fishing and boating that Lake Wheeler though.
   Dan

#: 3578 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    18-May-90  22:06:24
Sb: #3565-No' Carolina
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevvy,
   Just call me the Lake man...right? <grrrr> (grin)
   Actually, he's thinking of Lake Wheeler. The only reason I know that for a
fact is when my brother and I go flying, we use it as a reference point for
getting back to Raleigh South airport (aka Triple W airport).
   Dan

#: 3587 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    19-May-90  11:50:42
Sb: #3565-#No' Carolina
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
~ Kev;
 Yep, it looks like Jordan Lake was the one we spotted.
 We're in Redwood City, about 1.6 mi. from the San Andreas, so as soon as we
can get some foundation work done on our house, we're outta here!  I'd love to
transfer to Raleigh/Chapel Hill - that way I could probably retire at 55 (in
another 7 years).  There's no way around here!  And it's gonna get much worse
in the next few years.  It takes me an hour each way to get to work every day
even now!
  NC looks like a great place to live (even without all the forum members that
live there :-) , but that's a bonus).  We hope to get out and explore this
summer if my current project ever catches up to it's time line and I get to
take my vacation.  We'll see!
  ...Jim
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#: 3592 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    19-May-90  11:59:16
Sb: #3587-No' Carolina
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
Jim - well let us all know if you get a chance to come this way!
We ain't got the pacific coastline, but we sure got nice lakes, beaches, and...
commutes to work are short. And houses still priced okay, too. Now if we could
just keep the dammed Yankees out.... <grin>.

#: 3599 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    19-May-90  12:57:29
Sb: #The Return of the Native
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: All
"I'm *BACK*....I'm *BACK* in the saddle again..." --Aerosmith, or was that Gene
Autry?
My apologies if I've missed messages addressed to me.  Moving (a whole block
and a half, but still with all the hassle!) has kept me offline for a week or
so.  (It woulda been less, but I had to assemble the desk for the computer to
sit on, and I'm going to trudge off and buy a decent chair once I log off! :-)
So...I'm back (but now among the landed gentry).  Good to see you folks again.
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#: 3623 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    20-May-90  09:38:07
Sb: #3599-The Return of the Native
Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Glad to know the transporter worked, James... welcome back!

#: 3694 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    22-May-90  13:13:48
Sb: #3462-Multi-user OS9 BBS
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Michael Wood 71631,340
Mike,
You might want to call Ed hathaway at Second City Software. They should be
starting work on one soon.
Paul

#: 3713 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    22-May-90  22:29:19
Sb: #3592-#No' Carolina
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
~ Kev;
  Yep, we definitely gots our _faults_ out here!  And the Pacific coastline,
while it's got some incredible scenery, ain't no great shakes for recreation if
it involves getting wet (unless you like wet rubber suits!).
  What do NC natives consider Damnyankees?  I was always under the impression
that that referred to the Northeastern states.
  ...Jim
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#: 3715 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    22-May-90  22:46:23
Sb: #3713-#No' Carolina
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
Jim - (that's Dam Yankees - no "n", so we can put it on bumper stickers -
grin),
Anywhere north of Virginia is Yankeeland... but especially big cities like New
York.. wherever people rush too much and drive too crazy ;-). As you said, the
NorthEastern states.
Gotta admit that many of them are beautiful country tho, at least outside the
big cities.
Hope you don't mind hot, muggy days... we get a lot here. Nothing like Georgia
tho... that place is deadly (to me) during the summer!
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#: 3767 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    24-May-90  02:56:08
Sb: #3715-#No' Carolina
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Just like you Dam Tarheels.... don't even kno whuh the Mason & Dixon Line is
boy! <Colonel Kev>
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#: 3768 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    24-May-90  03:02:37
Sb: #3767-No' Carolina
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
Well, now I nevah said that I was edjukated, y'know whatta mean, Vern? ;-)

#: 3724 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    22-May-90  23:37:50
Sb: #3713-#No' Carolina
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
Pacific coastline ain't go no great shakes!?!? <grin> If I were you,I'd be
leaving because of the "great shakes"!
Zack
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#: 3794 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    25-May-90  00:08:31
Sb: #3724-No' Carolina
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Zack;
  'Zactly my point!  %-)  Mebbe we'll be neighbors soon, eh?
..Jim

#: 3723 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    22-May-90  23:37:23
Sb: #3592-No' Carolina
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev Did you know that Damn Yankees is a new band consisting of Tommy Shaw, Ted
Nugent, Jack Blades, and a ekeyboard player !!
TC

#: 3977 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    30-May-90  01:14:25
Sb: #3511-widows and orphans
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Thanks for the message about WIDOWS.TXT in DTPFORUM. Interesting--guess I can
call anything I like anything I want. Just wait until someone says MY docs are
wrong!

#: 4663 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    26-Jun-90  19:10:44
Sb: #Hot Summer
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 (X)
Yup - I hear you on the heat... and my a/c compressor has a leak (oof).
Pete
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#: 4672 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    26-Jun-90  22:51:34
Sb: #4663-#Hot Summer
Fm: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Pete,
By all means, get your a/c fixed! Can you believe the 112 degree
 heat in LA today?
Wendell
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#: 4690 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    27-Jun-90  14:54:49
Sb: #4672-Hot Summer
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 (X)
Haha! We have it easy.... I saw CNN when I got in from school last night
displaying an actual egg FRYING on the siedwalk in Phoenix!
Pete

#: 4679 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    27-Jun-90  07:46:54
Sb: #4663-#Hot Summer
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Pete - same here. For the last coupla summers we've needed a new main
compressor (read: might as well get a whole new unit at $1200+). So far we've
been getting by with adding a window a/c in the kitchen (where the main a/c
intake is). But boy, on those 95+ degree days it just slowly gets hotter
inside!
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#: 4723 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    28-Jun-90  19:37:11
Sb: #4679-#Hot Summer
Fm: JOHN R. WAINWRIGHT 72517,676
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Hey Guys!
   All that terrible heat just might allow THIS air conditioner repairman to
buy the 68xxx system of his choice this summer. For every cloud .......
(hehehehehe)
  JohnW
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#: 4725 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    28-Jun-90  20:58:03
Sb: #4723-#Hot Summer
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: JOHN R. WAINWRIGHT 72517,676 (X)
AHA! You're an HVAC repairman?? Care to replace a compressor in return for an
MM/1? <heh-heh>
Almost kidding, and sweating it out - kev
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#: 4754 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    29-Jun-90  21:46:53
Sb: #4725-Hot Summer
Fm: JOHN R. WAINWRIGHT 72517,676
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kinda long drive for a service call, but it is a tempting thought. I sometimes
feel a little like a vulture, making money from other peoples misfortune, but
the fact is, in summer my income goes up with the temperature.  One shop where
I worked several years ago had a poster of two starving vultures.  One of them
said - "Patience my a**, I'm gonna go KILL something!".
        Good luck with your air conditioner.
  JohnW

#: 4837 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    02-Jul-90  19:02:49
Sb: #4723-#Hot Summer
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: JOHN R. WAINWRIGHT 72517,676 (X)
John,
I gues you mean "OSK 68xxx computer of choice, eh? No need to waste time with
those MACS and ATARIS!
Paul
(subliminal suggestion: mm1, mm1, mm1, mm1)
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#: 4845 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    02-Jul-90  20:50:47
Sb: #4837-#Hot Summer
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
Speaking of MM/1--one of the matters under discussion on the BITNET mailing
list is whose picture should come up (a la the three folks in front of the
Microware "fuzzy M" on the CoCo 3).  I suggested you, Kevin Darling, and Kevin
Pease, dressed as the Three Musketeers, with the caption "One for all, and all
for MM/1!".  What do you think? <grin>
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#: 4847 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    03-Jul-90  01:19:22
Sb: #4845-Hot Summer
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Oh. Wait! NOW I remember what a club member here suggested should come up on
the MM/1 on reset:
 DinoWars!! (OS-9 version of cuss)
<grin>

#: 4856 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    03-Jul-90  22:32:01
Sb: #4845-Hot Summer
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
How about as Moe, Larry, and Curly?
Or as Chewbacca, Luke, and Han. You can pick whom you wish for each role.
Paul
grin

#: 5302 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    18-Jul-90  00:00:12
Sb: #Serial Without Tears
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: All
Just thought I had to say something to somebody.  I actually connected my CoCo
to something via a serial port and it worked the first time (well, once I
corrected an address in a descriptor, but that's hardly anything compared to
puzzling out what wires to cross as yet another victim of the RS-232
"standard"--is that anything like jumbo shrimp, or military intelligence?).
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#: 5309 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    18-Jul-90  04:45:07
Sb: #5302-Serial Without Tears
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
JJ - whatcha need is one of those rs232 gizmos someone used to sell, which
automatically figured out the correct connections. Wonder what happened to
those? Maybe they didn't work so well <hehe>?
Congrats on getting it to work!

#: 5324 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    18-Jul-90  19:02:44
Sb: August RAINBOW
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: All
I've seen a copy of the August 1990 RAINBOW.  I intend to write Falsoft a
letter commending them for it.  If only they'd done this kind of thing a couple
of years earlier, the CoCo world would be far better off, in my personal
opinion.
Press <CR> !>

#: 5482 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    23-Jul-90  10:14:40
Sb: #5302-Serial Without Tears
Fm: Tom Napolitano 70215,1130
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Sir,
   It probably just seems to work.   All hardware, like all software, has at
least one bug.  i.e. The first bugfree program has yet to be written.
    You've heard the old saw: Every program has at least one bug, and every
program can be shortened by one line.  Therefore by regression every program
can be reduced to one line of code.....that doesn't work.
       tom n

#: 5537 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    25-Jul-90  05:36:26
Sb: #Be Thankful...
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: all
Wow. If y'all ever feel like Gshell/etc is buggy or tough to learn, or that
this or that doesn't work quite the way you think it oughta.... then spend a
few minutes reading the messages in the Microsoft Windows forum <grin>.
Yikes.
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#: 5547 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    25-Jul-90  15:49:47
Sb: #5537-Be Thankful...
Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Now, now.. it's not nice to gloat over other people's troubles....
And yes, they indeed have enough troubles for everyone! <Grin>

#: 5624 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    28-Jul-90  01:08:07
Sb: #address needed
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: all
Does anyone happen to have a current address for Osborne/Mcgraw-Hill books.
They have moved from the Bancroft Way address I have. Thanks,
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#: 5629 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    28-Jul-90  01:44:44
Sb: #5624-address needed
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
Bob - dunno if the address is listed there, but "GO MH" will take you to
McGraw-Hill's online catalog and ordering service here on CIS.  Apparently they
have a no-charge access special going on for July weekends, btw. Since this is
the last such weekend, I'd pop on over <grin>.

#: 5704 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    30-Jul-90  05:47:18
Sb: #5324-#August RAINBOW
Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Commending Falsoft for what?  I don't get the Rainbow, see...
There is 1 Reply.

#: 5714 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    30-Jul-90  18:01:51
Sb: #5704-#August RAINBOW
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 (X)
For actually almost having a respectable fraction of the articles on OS-9.
(They even mentioned that they'd take BASIC09 procedures for Novice's Niche.) I
do think I will rib them and claim that clearly an imposter must be writing Wm.
Barden Jr.'s column now, since he actually said something nice about OS-9.
There is 1 Reply.

#: 5716 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    30-Jul-90  19:08:41
Sb: #5714-#August RAINBOW
Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Ah.  Maybe they're beginning to realize that OS9 may be all that's left in the
near future...
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#: 5729 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    31-Jul-90  17:24:18
Sb: #5716-August RAINBOW
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 (X)
You're probably right.  I haven't used RS-DOS for such a long time I almost
forgot how to use it!

#: 5773 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    01-Aug-90  23:47:59
Sb: Tandy Coco III for Sale
Fm: John S. Kennedy 72217,416
To: all
                            FOR SALE
                   Color Computer III by Tandy
                         *    512K Ram
                         *    CM-8 Color Monitor
                         *    2 double sided disk drives
                         *    Multi-pak interface
                                   w/pal chip upgrade
                         *    Cassette drive for data storage
                         *    Direct connect modem 300 b.p.s.
                         *    3 Joysticks
                                and a high resolution interface
                         *    Near letter quality
                                   dot matrix printer
ALL manuals included for everything.  Over 500 programs, games, adventures and
all the utilities needed for any project at home or small business.  A GREAT
little computer for the kids.  Manual has step by step instructions on how to
program in BASIC.  There is an operating system OS-9 II for the big programs to
make any job easy.
ASKING $1000 or make offer.
Call Steve after 6:00 p.m.    513-251-1766

#: 5941 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    08-Aug-90  21:47:17
Sb: #hard drive info
Fm: BRETT 72057,3720
To: all
Greeting-
     I have a large 5.25 inch toshiba drive.  it looks like it says it is a
model mkm0353 e OZO1.  I think it is an 80 meg unit.  Anyone got any idea about
heads cylinders etc for this thing.  It has an st506 interface.  I am planning
on using this via an adaptec scsi adapter on my MM1 when it finaly arrives. 
Help! I would like to format and test on the coco now.
-Brett
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#: 5944 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    08-Aug-90  23:17:52
Sb: #5941-#hard drive info
Fm: Randy Wilson 71561,756
To: BRETT 72057,3720 (X)
Brett,
   Here's what I got on Toshiba 506 drives:
MODEL   ST-506  MFM      CAP   CYC  H  RWC  WPC ENC  RATE ACCESS  SPT COMMENTS 
MK53FA           5.25 FH  43   830  5  831  831 M    5    30 MS   17 
MK 54FA          5.25 FH  60   830  7  831  831 M    5    30 MS   17 
MK 56FA          5.25 FH  86   830 10  831  831 M    5    30 MS   17 
        ST-506 RLL
MK53FB           5.25 FH  64   830  5  831  831 R    7.5  23 MS   26 
MK 54FB          5.25 FH  90   830  7  831  831 R    7.5  25 MS   26 
MK 56FB          5.25 FH  130  830 10  831  831 R    7.5  25 MS   26 
   As you can see, no exact match, but 830 cyls looks like a good bet. :>
Randy
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#: 5957 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    09-Aug-90  22:05:48
Sb: #5944-#hard drive info
Fm: BRETT 72057,3720
To: Randy Wilson 71561,756
Greeting-
     Thanks for the info.  I could only find a .arc file in the IBM forum.  the
description said it may have had the info, but I do not have msdos and can not
dearc.  Unless someone here knows of a program to dearc msdos arc files under
os9.
If anyone has more specific info I am still looking.  If I do not get something
better I will run with this.
-Brett
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#: 5960 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    10-Aug-90  00:12:02
Sb: #5957-#hard drive info
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: BRETT 72057,3720 (X)
Brett -
Hmmm.. there should be a DEARC in DL9.
Pete
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#: 5974 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    10-Aug-90  22:39:37
Sb: #5960-#hard drive info
Fm: BRETT 72057,3720
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
Greeting-
     Thanks will look for dearc in dl9.  I was wondering where I might find the
source to uptime?  Seems tha author is some guy that used to have a gimix in
calif.  For some reason when I got it I only snarfed object.  Big mistake when
you want to change something latter.
-Brett
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#: 5979 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    11-Aug-90  08:38:28
Sb: #5974-hard drive info
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: BRETT 72057,3720
Brett,
Are you still on Mark's system?  I should have a copy of the source here. I
could UUCP it over if you'd like.
Steve

#: 6174 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    16-Aug-90  22:51:46
Sb: #Appreciation
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: All
Just thought I should thank everybody for the quick response to questions one
sees here.  I just got back from checking another SIG where I left a question
five days ago, with absolutely zero response.
As Opus put it in a *Bloom County* strip, "I have the best friends in the known
universe!"  Thanks, folks.
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#: 6177 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    17-Aug-90  00:30:26
Sb: #6174-Appreciation
Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
It DOES make one thankful for the super group of folks here, doesn't it?
Now, if we could just persuade Bloom County to come back to the known
universe.....

#: 6228 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    20-Aug-90  20:06:03
Sb: #MM/1
Fm: Mark S 76004,373
To: Kevin Darling
Kev, what kind of hard drive goes in the MM/1. And how much does it cost to
upgrade it to an HD unit
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#: 6232 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    20-Aug-90  21:14:02
Sb: #6228-#MM/1
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Mark S 76004,373 (X)
If memory serves, one needs the second board for the MM/1 to hook up a hard
disk, and it wants a SCSI hard disk.  (Price?  From looking at the ad in the
current *RAINBOW*, it looks like that would be the "MM/1 Extended," $1125, but
IMS folk may wish to comment further (is there a kit equivalent? I dunno).)
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#: 6247 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    21-Aug-90  07:35:27
Sb: #6232-#MM/1
Fm: Mark S 76004,373
To: James Jones 76257,562
The RAINBOW ad makes no mention of an HD even when it talks about the Extended
version.
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#: 6248 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    21-Aug-90  08:51:56
Sb: #6247-MM/1
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Mark S 76004,373 (X)
I think you're right.  Hopefully Paul will see this msg and answer.
As JJ said, the second board has the DMA SCSI (WD33C93) interface... so any of
the SCSI hard disks, or a regular disk with an Adaptec 4000A/4070 SCSI
controller board, should work fine.
They're supposed to have a deal worked out for hard disk sales. Still, Computer
Shopper continues to have some great ads!

#: 6346 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    27-Aug-90  23:20:31
Sb: #6232-#MM/1
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
James,
FYI, you DO need the second board for the hard drive. It has the host adapter
on it. THen get a SCSI hard drive and you're set.
Paul
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#: 6357 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    28-Aug-90  06:50:48
Sb: #6346-MM/1
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
Thanks.  I thought that was the case (and was planning to get the second board,
definitely).

#: 6347 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    27-Aug-90  23:22:59
Sb: #6247-MM/1
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Mark S 76004,373 (X)
Mark,
The omission of the hard drive on the Extended list is a result of leaving out
many features of the second board due to space constraints. It has turned out
ot be -- while not a tragic choice -- a cause for some concern, as some people
thought we might have dropped support of the hard drive.
We'll drop a cpy of our brochure in the mail to you, if you like!
Paul

#: 6391 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    30-Aug-90  00:07:56
Sb: #dead procs
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: all
What causes a DEAD process (a terminated process that just won't go away)? You
know, a process that shows up DEAD on a proc(s?) list.
There are 2 Replies.

#: 6394 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    30-Aug-90  02:29:52
Sb: #6391-#dead procs
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Those processes are barely there--they're waiting for their parents to notice
their passing.  Once that happens, or their parents in turn exit, they'll
disappear completely.
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#: 6409 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    30-Aug-90  22:58:51
Sb: #6394-#dead procs
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
How do 'parents notice their passing'?  Please explain.
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6414 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    31-Aug-90  02:42:36
Sb: #6409-#dead procs
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
They do that by executing the F$Wait system call, that tells them when it
returns either
(1) they have no children left to wait for
or
(2) child process number X exited with exit code Y (i.e. Y is the parameter the
child passed the F$Exit system call)
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#: 6430 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    31-Aug-90  23:13:39
Sb: #6414-dead procs
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
But then what happens if your program can't wait around all day for children to
die?  It can't go F$Waiting all the time.

#: 6399 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    30-Aug-90  09:29:14
Sb: #6391-#dead procs
Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Like James said, all that needs to happen is for the parent to do a wait() for
the child or for the parent itself to die.
 If it's really a problem to you, I can upload a timedwait(pid,seconds)
function that does a wait(), but does not wait() forever. If you're using OSK,
it accepts tenths of a second because of the alarm() calls.
 Let me know, and tell me OS9/6809 or OSK.
 Mark
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6410 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    30-Aug-90  23:00:48
Sb: #6399-#dead procs
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X)
Hmm, great, so every time I fork a process using F$Fork I have to F$Wait so
that I will notice that the process is dead?  What if I want it executed
concurrently?  What does GShell do?
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#: 6415 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    31-Aug-90  02:51:33
Sb: #6410-#dead procs
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
No, you don't have to wait immediately.  GShell probably does, though, and if
you type a command at the shell and *don't* terminate it with "&", then the
shell will F$Wait.  However, at *some* point, an F$Wait is a polite thing to
do--do you really have an application in which the parent doesn't care whether
the child succeeded or not?
A child process in the DEAD state has all its resources save for the process
descriptor given back to the system, so it's not using very much memory--but
process descriptors *are* a finite resource, so a parent process should check
on its children at least once in a while.  (Is this a pain?  Perhaps, but I
can't think of any scheme that would let a process find out the exit status of
its children and consume zero memory doing it.)
There are 2 Replies.

#: 6424 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    31-Aug-90  16:18:31
Sb: #6415-#dead procs
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Certain GShell functions like the calculator, shell and others allow you to
CLEAR back to the GShell main window and do other stuff with the child process
still running in background. I'm not sure how it determines the passing of a
child, since if a process does have a child and you execute a F$Wait, your
process will wait until the death of the first child process occurs. I would
like to know how to do a "timed" F$Wait, where if a child is executing, the
F$Wait doesn't continue to wait, it just returns to your program as if you
don't have any children.
Zack
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#: 6437 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    01-Sep-90  06:27:07
Sb: #6424-#dead procs
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Zack,
Gshell keeps a path open to all child processes so it knows when they are still
active by checking the open path list.  This is how you get the "processes
still active" message when you try to stop Gshell with child processes still
running.
You could setup a sortof timed wait by having the child process send a signal
to the parent when it is just about ready to end.  The parent can then setup a
signal and using the signal() function, get interrupted when the child dies. 
The child would have to get the parent's pid from it' process descriptor.  The
parent, in turn, could keep a list of process id's that it forks so it knows
when all of them are dead.
Mark
There are 2 Replies.

#: 6439 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    01-Sep-90  07:31:55
Sb: #6437-#dead procs
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
Gshell "keeps a path open to all child processes" ?  Whatcha mean?  I can see
(with Paths command) that it keeps paths to the subwindows used, but I can't
see how that helps.
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6464 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    02-Sep-90  05:50:27
Sb: #6439-dead procs
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin,
Hey, you should know more about this than I do.  I have the source that Kent
made for a few months and found something in there about keep and active path
list to children.  All I know is it shows on the paths command, and there was
something diddling with it in Kents sources.  Other than that, I'm as dumb as
anyone else.
Someone needs to break down the Gshell code in this area and figure out what
they did.  You know anyone who has nothing better to do (grin) ????
Mark

#: 6441 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    01-Sep-90  09:14:37
Sb: #6437-#dead procs
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
I have heard the "keeps a path open" answer before, but I still haven't
completely figured it out. How does GShell "check the open path list"?
Yes, I figured you could set up timed waits if you also wrote the program which
you wish to exeute in a child process, but what of a program you didn't write
and don't have the soruces for? ie, the general case?
Zack
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#: 6465 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    02-Sep-90  05:50:32
Sb: #6441-dead procs
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Zack,
Paths opened:
Got me....I don't know how it be done either, just reporting my observations.
Two programs:
In that case you could do something like Mark Wuest did in his timedwait.c file
he uploaded to DL12.  Send a signal to your own process via an alarm. That way
you can wait for the child to die and if it doesn't can wake yourself up.
Mark

#: 6431 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    31-Aug-90  23:15:37
Sb: #6415-#dead procs
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
My question is, how do you know when to check for dead child processes,
assuming that your program runs concurrently?  When to check?
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6436 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    01-Sep-90  05:55:34
Sb: #6431-#dead procs
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
That's hard to say at that level of abstraction (i.e. it depends on the
particular program enough that anything I'd say without an example would be
even more hot air than usual :-).
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6521 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    04-Sep-90  23:09:47
Sb: #6436-#dead procs
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
I think I've figured it out . . . when you're not doing anything, F$Wait. When
you need to do something, either a signal from the mouse button or the keyboard
(data ready) will wake you out of your Wait . . . am I correct?  Does anyone
know?
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6523 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    05-Sep-90  06:18:15
Sb: #6521-#dead procs
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
That's right--an incoming signal will rouse a process from a F$Wait. 
(Otherwise you couldn't get back a shell prompt with ctrl-c after firing up a
process that does no I/O to the screen.)
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6540 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    05-Sep-90  23:05:03
Sb: #6523-#dead procs
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Along those lines, how does OS-9 know to send the signal to the shell instead
of to the forked program?
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6542 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    05-Sep-90  23:08:47
Sb: #6540-dead procs
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
The signal is sent to whatever process last did I/O to the path.

#: 6419 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    31-Aug-90  09:16:29
Sb: #6410-dead procs
Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Again, James is on the money. In Xinu, of course, you get a SIGCLD (or is it
SIGCHLD?) signal when your child dies, which is a lot better, IMHO. When *I*
write programs that are spawning each other and do not want to wait(), I have
the child send SIGCLD to the parent every time before it exit()s.
 Someone else could answer this, but I do not know how a parent shell knows
when its children die, but it does in OSK.
 Mark

#: 6498 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    03-Sep-90  20:52:52
Sb: #5979-#hard drive info
Fm: BRETT 72057,3720
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
Greeting-
     Please uucp it to me.  rewop!wa3yre!wynkoop.  Sorry for the late reply,
but I went away for a while shortly after my posting.
-Brett
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6506 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    04-Sep-90  07:19:39
Sb: #6498-#hard drive info
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: BRETT 72057,3720 (X)
Brett,
Have you checked in on rewop lately? I sent the file way back .... and nothing
bounced. Let me know if it's missing.
Steve
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6516 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    04-Sep-90  22:41:12
Sb: #6506-#hard drive info
Fm: BRETT 72057,3720
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
Greeting-
     I think Mark removed my account on rewop.  Can you send it to wa3yre? 
....rewop!wa3yre!wynkoop I will check with Mark in the morning and see if my
account is active on rewop or not.
-Brett
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6525 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    05-Sep-90  07:44:57
Sb: #6516-#hard drive info
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: BRETT 72057,3720 (X)
On it's way
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6527 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    05-Sep-90  11:51:18
Sb: #6525-hard drive info
Fm: BRETT 72057,3720
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
thanks

#: 6533 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    05-Sep-90  22:04:00
Sb: #OS-9 ON THE STRIDE 440
Fm: JAMES DENNEY 71101,511
To: HELO FROM ANYONE
I AM THE LONILY OWNER OF A STRIDE 440, THAT CURRENTLY RUNS P-SYSTEM (IF
YOU CAN FIND ANY SOFTWARE!!!). AS THIS IS A 68000/6820 MACHINE, I WONDERED
(HOPE) THAT OS-9 MIGHT RUN ON IT. ANY INFO WILL BE APPRECIATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANK YOU
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6548 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    06-Sep-90  10:15:16
Sb: #6533-#OS-9 ON THE STRIDE 440
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: JAMES DENNEY 71101,511 (X)
About once every coupla months, someone asks about OS9 on the Stride/Sage
machines... but I don't think anyone knows of a port to it right now.
Seems like one should be done tho, as there are a lot of those machines around
in schools and surplus.  If you had the $$ (about 1500 of them, I think), you
could buy a PortPak and install OS9.  best - kev
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6553 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    06-Sep-90  18:06:08
Sb: #6548-OS-9 ON THE STRIDE 440
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
The only person I can think of who might know would be Robert Heller.  I think
he has or had a Stride at one time, and may know about such a port.

#: 6563 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    07-Sep-90  00:51:34
Sb: #OS-9 AND THE STRIDE 440
Fm: JAMES DENNEY 71101,511
To:  76703,4227 (X)
    SB: #6533-#OS-9 ON THE STRIDE 440
    FM: JAMES DENNEY 71101,511
    TO: KEVEN DARLING (UG PRES) 76703,4227
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPLY. I AM A LOWLY ABANDONED END USER, AND WHEREAS
    THE $1500 WOULD BE WORKABLE IF THE AVAILABILITY OF SOFTWARE JUSTIFIED
    THE INVESTMENT, ALAS I FEAR ANY PORTING WOULD BE BEYOND MY SKILLS.
    WOULD OS-9 ENABLE ME TO USE ANY XENIX/UNIX PROGRAMS AND WHAT IS YOUR
    ASSESMENT OF THE SOFTWARE AVAILABLE UNDER OS-9??
    THANK YOU AGAIN. JIM
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6624 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    09-Sep-90  12:31:31
Sb: #6563-OS-9 AND THE STRIDE 440
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: JAMES DENNEY 71101,511 (X)
James,
What kind of software do you need? I'll bet we can find it for you under OSK.
And if not, chances are good that IMS or its developers (IDEA) are getting to
it. Just let us know!
Paul

#: 6666 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    12-Sep-90  17:50:02
Sb: Ouch!
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: All
Word from the BITNET mailing list this morning is that Mark Griffith fell at
work and hit his head against a DEC terminal.  Also, thank <insert favorite
deity here>, immediately following was a message from Mark himself saying he's
recovering nicely.  Perhaps when next he dials up there can be a sufficiently
large quantity of well-wishing messages to put him in "aw shucks" mode as he
was on BITNET. :-) :-)
Seriously--I'm very glad that he is doing well.

#: 6697 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    15-Sep-90  05:16:08
Sb: #6666-Ouch!
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
James and Jim P.
Thanks for your kind words.  I am feeling much better although the 5 inch gash
on my head will make for interesting conversation in the future. At least I
don't have to run cables anymore....physical plant no has that job.
Mark
Press <CR> !>

#: 6853 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    21-Sep-90  19:14:38
Sb: serial port boards
Fm: DOUG 72667,1433
To: all
I'm conducting a "poll" of the OS9 users here on the sig.
1)  How many of you are still using the ss50/30 or ss50/30c bus?
2)  If you reply in the affirmative to question 1,
    does your system have serial port cards that have the
    capability of selectable baud rate?  If so, did you build the card or
    purchase it from a supplier?
3)  If you do not have such a card, would you be interested in PC boards that
    you could "stuff" using the 6551 ACIA?
The reason for these questions is I'm still using the ss50c bus and use the
6850.  This of course requires external baud rate generators.  I've constructed
prototypes for another system I've built from scratch that uses a 80 pin bus. 
Since it has worked so well, I'm looking for a number of individuals who would
like a 6551 serial port card to help defray the cost of having good PCBs made. 
I am currently laying out the board and will have them made if there is any
interest.
If you are interested, leave a message for me on Mail (I routinely check that
at work).  Let me know how many boards you may want.  If a large enough
interest is shown, we can all benefit from a decent break price per board
Unfortunately, at this time I can only offer the board.  I cannot offer a
driver module.  I'm sure someone out there has already written one.
Doug 72667,1433
Press <CR> !>

#: 7143 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    03-Oct-90  05:24:05
Sb: Luxury Tax?
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: All
Part of the proposed budget/deficit reduction plan may affect you.
I have heard that among its components is a 10% "luxury tax," which applies to,
among other things, "electronic equipment."
Does that include computers?  I don't know, but I certainly hope not, and I've
taken advantage of CIS's Congressgram facilities to express my opinion to my
senators.  I think that it would be a good idea to consider expressing your
opinion to your Congressbeings as well.

#: 7254 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    08-Oct-90  22:35:44
Sb: Motorola/Hitachi Settle
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: all
Good news:  Motorola and Hitachi have settled out of court on the H/8, H/16,
MC68030 and 88000 patent/sharing lawsuits.  Terms were not disclosed.

#: 7366 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    14-Oct-90  21:09:30
Sb: Hard Drive Wanted
Fm: Rodney Harper 75130,1321
To: All
Wanted:  (In a really big way <Grin>)
Hard Drive and controller for COCO 3.
10-20 meg, name your price.
>>Rod<<
Leave me mail, call, or write.....
Rodney Harper
202 N. Seaman Avenue
Bayou La Batre, Alabama 36509
(205) 824-2495  after 5pm CST

#: 7517 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    18-Oct-90  10:15:13
Sb: #Source Code
Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
To: all
I want to come to the defense Robert Larson (not counting his tone for which he
already apologized) as I feel the same way he does about source. I have on my
machine (in its own directory) a previous release of TOP utilities that I
received from Microware (for a copying fee only). There are many programs which
will not run at all on my machine because they attempt to use memory which has
not been allocated to them. These programs WILL run on (and possibly corrupt)
systems which do not have memory protection. On the other hand, I have
downloaded Stevie with source and Kermit with source from here. I think kermit
was originally ported by Robert. Neither one of them worked on my system "out
of the box", but I was able to fix several bugs in them only because I had
SOURCE CODE.
 While I have not downloaded Mark's uucp package, I appreciate anyone willing
to upload code for other people to use as it represents humongous effort. Uucp
probably required more effort than any other package in the libraries. Source
code would still be nice.
 Mark
There is 1 Reply.

#: 7544 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    18-Oct-90  22:24:23
Sb: #7517-#Source Code
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X)
Mark,
I'm really confused over all this fuss.
Mark is not declining to release the source to UUCP. He's only declined to post
it in an effort to maintain some degree of control over his efforts.
Last time I discussed this issue with him, he was willing to send the source to
anyone that asked and included a small fee to cover media, postage and
handling.
Is there some problem with this arrangement?
Steve
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#: 7546 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    18-Oct-90  23:08:05
Sb: #7544-#Source Code
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
Well...I certainly understand Mark's position--goodness knows that in the past
people have had the experience of writing a program, posting the source, and
then being taken to task for bugs in version that have been drastically
modified by some random person.
On the other hand, I certainly understand Mr. Larson's position, and indeed
have taken a similar position myself in a similar situation.  UUCP, by its
nature, potentially sends one's files off to another system, and without
considerable care is a major potential security hole.  If login is part of the
package--well, login is the first line of defense for security, and any sort of
back door in it is a major calamity.
I'm certainly not implying anything about the package that Mark Griffith has
spent so much time on.  In fact, my inclination, by virtue of knowing how long
Mark has been around, and how many programs that Mark has worked on to the
benefit of the OS-9 community, is to trust the package.  Mr. Larson, though,
may not know Mark, and considering the potential for calamity, is
understandably leery about installing something without source code to examine
and compile.
(The similar situation alluded to above was the (first) TOP release, which did
not include code.  TOP appears to be doing a lot for OS-9, too, but without
knowing a lot more about them, I couldn't bring myself to trust their
replacement login for OS-9/68000, for example.  My understanding is that the
later TOP releases included source, so my concerns aren't necessarily
applicable any longer.)
So...oops, that should read "did not include source code" above.  Anyway,
that's what I think is happening.
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#: 7569 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    19-Oct-90  20:24:29
Sb: #7546-Source Code
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
JJ,
I don't disagree with anything you've said. As I've mentioned to Mark W. in
another reply, perhaps Mark would agree to allowing folks to download the
source from his system.
This way ... folks still have to ask, and he still maintains some degree of
control.
I'll have to ask.
Steve

#: 7553 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    19-Oct-90  09:00:29
Sb: #7544-#Source Code
Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
Steve,
 No, I have no problem with the arrangement, except that having it up here is
so much nicer. The only removeable media I have left on one system is a 150mb
streaming tape that few other os9ers have (my problem). Compuserve is something
we all have in common (although some D**phi'ers don't even agree with that) and
so it is just more convenient. I'm not complaining, but I just understand
Robert's feelings on the matter. I appreciate Mark's effort (is use the fool
out of sterm) as much as anybody, I believe.
 Mark
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#: 7568 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    19-Oct-90  20:21:57
Sb: #7553-Source Code
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Mark Wuest 74030,332
Mark,
No ... I do see both sides of the issue.
As Mark is willing to release the source, perhaps he would also allow it to be
downloaded from his system. (He does keep his system up on a dial up basis).
I'm in contact with him almost daily. I'll check and see.
Steve

#: 7792 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    27-Oct-90  08:28:22
Sb: CoCo 3, 13MB HD 4 Sale
Fm: Mark E. Sunderlin 74026,3235
To: All
All of the following are FOR SALE:
        512K Color Computer 3
        Bruce ISTED Western Digital Host Adaptor,
              Western Digital Controller
                Fujitsu 13 Megabyte Hard Disk
        2 Joytsticks
        Hi-res Joystick Adaptor
        Tandy Multi-Pak
        Tandy RS-232 PAK
        Tandy Disk Controller
        2 Double sided, double desnity floppyies
                in single case with power supply
        "Blue Streak" serial to parellel Printer convertor
        Keyboard extender cable & extra keyboard
        Cassette interface cable
Software:
        OS9 Level II, Os9 Level I, Deskmate 3, OS9 'C', Hogg eForth, Dynastar &
Dynaform, T/S Spell, Home Publisher, T/S Edit, Wiz Pro, Color Computer Artist,
Rogue, King's Quest III, Rescue on Fracalus, Koronis Rift, and for RS-DOS:
ChessD, Cubix, Rommel 3D, Gantelet, Shamus, and Wishbringer
Books:
        Lot's of CoCo and OS9 books come with this system.
I really want this system to get a good home, it's been a good system to me.
I'll take the highest offer for this system, whatever it might be.
Please contact me via phone at (703) 869-3833, via internet mail at
megabyte@chinet.chi.il.us, or you can use mail here, but I only call CIS about
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#: 7986 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    04-Nov-90  12:41:29
Sb: TC70 AND MM/1 CONCERNS
Fm: RANDY JANSSEN 73340,3212
To: all
Dear Folks,
    I've been a COCO type for some time and I'm really interested in the TC70 
and the MM/1.  Has anybody got one yet?  Are they all they're cracked up to be?
I'm REALLY concerned about software. Neat games and "multimedia" software
(whatever that is) are fine, but what about the basics?  A good mouse driven
word processor, draw program, spreadsheet?  The package from Microware looks
really nice but is WAY to expensive for us nickel/dime types.  I really want to
buy one of these for OS-9 compatibility and speed (I do a lot of matrix math in
grad school), but I'm not jumping until I'm SURE
 it will do the basics.  It would also be very helpful if it could read/write
MS-DOS and Mac disks and be compatible with the file structures of some of the
more popular current programs.
    Any opinions from anybody on this?
Randy Janssen 73340.3212

#: 8215 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    16-Nov-90  06:41:07
Sb: #7986-#TC70 AND MM/1 CONCERNS
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: RANDY JANSSEN 73340,3212 (X)
Re: Mac disk reading. No non-Mac computer can read Mac disks w/o one of the
Sony Drives. They use a variable spin rate depending on the cylinder.
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#: 8278 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    17-Nov-90  15:21:45
Sb: #8215-#TC70 AND MM/1 CONCERNS
Fm: RANDY JANSSEN 73340,3212
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X)
Bill,
  Thanks for the response.  I knew nobody read Mac disks (even text files), but
didn't know why.
But what I'm really concerned about is software availability for OSK and that
software's compatibility with other software in other operating systems. I mean
using OSK spreadsheets, WP files, etc on a Mac or MS-DOS machine. From what
I've seen of OSK software to date, much of it is fairly old, command-key-driven
(like Wordstar) stuff.  If these new machines are going to sell, they really
need to concentrate on how their software is going to work and what else it can
talk to.
This is really an attempt to get Frank Hogg and Paul Ward thinking about the
subject of end-user software for their new machines and what it's really going
to do.  I'm sure they've already thought about it some, but all the info I've
seen here and in their sales brochures talks on and on about the hardware with
no real discussion of a new generation of software That's what I'd like to see
and what I'll have to see before I buy an MM/1 or TC70
Any other opinions? Randy.
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#: 8297 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    18-Nov-90  11:42:20
Sb: #8278-#TC70 AND MM/1 CONCERNS
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: RANDY JANSSEN 73340,3212 (X)
Well, I am involved almost constantly in sharing files. I run one of only three
Macs in a Messy-DOS shop. Since OSK is a UNIX like OS, and there is really no
Graphics Interface, it works mostly in text. (like *Star). File transport is
not too great a problem. Remember, output can always and easily be routed to a
file. What we really need is a packege like SMART that sells for $149 vice
$895.
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#: 8372 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    22-Nov-90  08:03:52
Sb: #8297-TC70 AND MM/1 CONCERNS
Fm: RANDY JANSSEN 73340,3212
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
Bill,
  I was under the impressing that someone (Kevin Darling, I think) is
developing a GUI for OSK and that would be the main user interface in the TC70
and MM/1.  Do you know anything about this?  A GUI is a VERY convenient way to
get around an operating system and to work with applications and is the way all
software is going.  If OSK doesn't have something similar, I'm afraid it will
be left behind.  One of the advantages of the Mac is the GUI and the
consistency of "utilities" between applications.  If we're starting a new
generation of 68XXX machines with similar graphics capabilities, this kind of
consistency in software development may make them the first true competitors to
the Mac line.
  I understand that file transfer is as easy as you say between Mac and DOS
systems.  I do the same things every day myself.  But one of the things that
allows me to do it is the translators built into the software. From MacWrite
II, I can save a file in nearly 20 different formats. I feel that new software
developed for OSK must have some similar features so we can share info with the
rest of the world. To date, it has seemed to me that the OS-9 community has
been a relatively elite clique whose unity depended on being able to develop
high powered software on relatively inexpensive hardware.  If we're going to
expand beyond that, we need to be able to talk to the world.
As to SMART, I agree completely.  For $1400, it'd better wash dishes, clean
house, and have a built-in beer cooler.  I came to the COCO and OSK for high
power at low price.  If new OSK stuff is going to cost that much I'll get a
Mac.
Do you run OSK on your Mac?  I've seen the sales literature on it, but I'd like
to hear about the performance from a third party.
Thanks! Randy

#: 8356 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    20-Nov-90  20:07:14
Sb: DAN.SAL in LIB 14
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: All
Folks,
   Still have the CoCo3 512k (PBJ version) upgrade available. Check out the
file DAN.SAL in LIB 14. Although the price says $85....I'll let it fly out the
door for $60 and shipping.
   Dan

#: 8393 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    24-Nov-90  05:33:35
Sb: #8372-#TC70 AND MM/1 CONCERNS
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: RANDY JANSSEN 73340,3212
I ran some of the early Beta copies on the Mac. I looks pretty much like OS-9.
I would only reccommend it for a small office environment, with dedicated
functionality, such as a dental office. You could easily have an inexpensive 3
terminal system. The biggest problem is, that since it runs as a Mac
application, it's Hard Drives are Mac files, and limited to 32 meg. A 32 meg
drive is not very large for today's data base applications.
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#: 8397 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    24-Nov-90  10:00:28
Sb: #8393-#TC70 AND MM/1 CONCERNS
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X)
A MAC is limited to 32M? Is that 32M drives or a file no larger than 32M on
a drive? Is this true with the entire MAC line?
Curious,
Zack
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#: 8428 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    26-Nov-90  17:29:16
Sb: #8397-TC70 AND MM/1 CONCERNS
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
32 Megs on the filesize. The drive itself can be much bigger. All Macs are the
same. I suppose it could change with an OS Update. 32 Megs is a hefty file.

#: 8394 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    24-Nov-90  05:44:22
Sb: #8372-TC70 AND MM/1 CONCERNS
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: RANDY JANSSEN 73340,3212
Well, there is a lot more to the Mac interface than just the GUI. It's also the
standard Clipboard interface and the standardized printer interface. Then there
is also those 835 system calls. We got a long row to hoe. (wow what grammer,
must be all that turkey!). ;)

#: 8400 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    24-Nov-90  16:27:06
Sb: #8372-TC70 AND MM/1 CONCERNS
Fm: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327
To: RANDY JANSSEN 73340,3212
Randy, I for one would certainly vote against any attempt to make OS9 and TC70
and MM/1 into Mac clones.  In the first place, it won't work.  I don't see how
Frank Hogg or MicroWare or anyone else can hope to produce something
competitive with the Mac, and produce it cheaper than Apple does.  After all,
they have lots of resources, and certainly aren't going to take such a frontal
assault lying down.  You'd also be competing with Microsoft Windows and OS/2,
which to me seems a little like challenging Paul Bunyan to a fist-fight.
It sort of reminds me of a short stint I spent working for Heathkit.  At the
time, their audio line was being decimated by Japanese companies, who were
providing superior performance, with all kinds of bells and whistles, at a
lower cost, and you didn't have to build the thing!  Heathkit's response was to
try to add the same bells and whistles:  Automatic circuitry, lots of knobs and
LED's, etc.  I pointed out to them that this seemed to me a fruitless endeavor.
My words were, "You're never going to out-knob the Japanese."  I suggested that
Heathkit look for a niche market that the others weren't meeting ...
specifically, those customers who don't want flash, but just good, clean audio
with a minimum of gewgaws.  (Natch, Heathkit ignored this advice.)
Seems to me that we have the same situation here.  I've relented enough to
accept the fact that GUI's have certain things to offer, but I disagree that a
Mac-like GUI is always the desired result.  This is a different market, and in
general the people who buy things like the TC70 and the MM/1 are those who, for
whatever reason, don't _WANT_ what Apple and IBM have. The bottom line is: If I
want a 68000-based system that emulates the Mac interface, I can buy it cheaper
from Apple.
Jack