#: 3209 S15/Hot Topics 01-May-90 12:01:18 Sb: #3196-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Colin Smith 73777,1360 (X) Colin, For the best price on a 2 meg upgrade, you can look around now in Computer Shopper. Look for SIMMs, 1 meg by 8. These are the same SIMMS used in the Mac ii series, so they'll remain pretty inexpensive. It was one of our design goals to use a lot of standard parts. The more standard a part is, the more reliable and cheaper it is. Hence, you can have a full >>3<< meg system for far less than you would think. BTW, we showed the MM/1 at a special meeting of folks from a Charlotte NC computer club -- we could have sold quite a few of 'em! We had a great time, and look forware to meeting with Color Computer users up and down the east coast. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 3214 S15/Hot Topics 01-May-90 20:54:11 Sb: #3209-That Darn Computer! Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Paul, When is the info on the new system gonna hit the mail? I'm still waiting for some publisihed details to drool over. Did you miss my name on the list? Steve #: 3221 S15/Hot Topics 02-May-90 11:07:06 Sb: #Smoke Signal Fm: DOUG 72667,1433 To: all Hey, did SSB go belly-up, move or just don't want to be found anymore? D There is 1 Reply. #: 3228 S15/Hot Topics 02-May-90 17:10:54 Sb: #3221-Smoke Signal Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: DOUG 72667,1433 Doug - I believe SSB is still up here in Westlake Village, CA. Their building is supposed to be right behind mine, but I have never been over there. Try 1-(818)-555-1212 and ask information if they are listed.... Pete #: 3242 S15/Hot Topics 03-May-90 10:26:29 Sb: #3228-#Smoke Signal Fm: DOUG 72667,1433 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, Did that. I first called the number (9460?) on their manual cover and at first didn't get an answer. Tried a day or two later and got a rather unfriendly guy at a Nautilus place. The 818 and 808 operators show no listing for Smoke. Doug There is 1 Reply. #: 3249 S15/Hot Topics 03-May-90 20:35:33 Sb: #3242-#Smoke Signal Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: DOUG 72667,1433 (X) Doug - Well ... I guesss that perhaps they _have_ gone up in (ulp) smoke... Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 3378 S15/Hot Topics 09-May-90 10:07:42 Sb: #3249-Smoke Signal Fm: DOUG 72667,1433 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 Cud be... Doug #: 3312 S15/Hot Topics 06-May-90 17:22:08 Sb: #2987-That Darn Computer! Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) OK Kev, thanks for the list. I'll save it for any Amigoids I run into. Hmmm, I wouldn't want Tandy's Coco3 port of OS9 running heart, tho maybe my large intestine would be OK....mike k #: 3314 S15/Hot Topics 06-May-90 17:25:13 Sb: #3006-That Darn Computer! Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Thanks for more ammo, Kev. Or a motorcycle, 2 new windsurfers, or a month's supply of cat food (or some people, grin). #: 3317 S15/Hot Topics 06-May-90 17:31:36 Sb: #3051-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Well, I need M.Tasking and grafix both, which so far is Amiga, period. And Kev's comparison charts show how that works out -- the "rich man" can't even get some of MM1's features on his Amy. --mike k There is 1 Reply. #: 3371 S15/Hot Topics 08-May-90 22:19:21 Sb: #3317-That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 Michael, There is an Amiga "public domain" set of C libraries for MIDI. I believe they are available from Pregnant Badger Music, 916/361-8217. Might be worth calling them to see if you can get a copy. Let me know if it turns out. If the libs are NOT pd, give me a call. Paul #: 3316 S15/Hot Topics 06-May-90 17:29:57 Sb: #3050-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Well, I've been itching to put in some Dixie band arrangements, tho probably wouldn't make it down to any other Fests. Schaumburg is a lily-white suburb whose idea of jazz is the Beach Boys and classicaly music is Andy Williams. Just kidding... Still amused that your day job is a night job, grin. There is 1 Reply. #: 3370 S15/Hot Topics 08-May-90 22:17:11 Sb: #3316-That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 The greatest thing is that I actually make a decent living at night and work during the day cutting major MM/1 deals. BTW, it's almost time for a couple of press announcement -- cool deals that everyone will be interested in! Support for this computer is STREAMING in!!! Paul #: 3315 S15/Hot Topics 06-May-90 17:27:27 Sb: #3022-That Darn Computer! Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Colin Smith 73777,1360 Yes, I agree,a and that's why the date has been set back. I've been in favor of getting out a usable port of OSK with a basic windowing interface equivalent to the Coco3's, and let's leave the resizable, overlapping, water-into-wine stuff for later. Or to put it another way, I hope Kev and friends put in just enuf in the first release of OSK to support the applications we want. #: 3334 S15/Hot Topics 06-May-90 21:12:41 Sb: #2406-#Tomcat Computer Fm: Immanuel Freedman 76670,1737 To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 (X) Frank, Will the TC run the new OS-9000 from MicroWare ( with DOS emulation) ? Please add me to the mailing list - your fine products are appreciated. Dr. Immanuel Freedman 9121 Springhill Lane #202 Greenbelt MD 20770 There is 1 Reply. #: 3339 S15/Hot Topics 06-May-90 22:13:33 Sb: #3334-Tomcat Computer Fm: Frank Hogg 70310,317 To: Immanuel Freedman 76670,1737 (X) Yes the TC is capible of running the 680x0 version of OS9000. DOS emulation is only available for OS9000 running on a 386. I will put you on the mailing list and send you out a brochure. Thanks Frank #: 3337 S15/Hot Topics 06-May-90 21:31:06 Sb: CD-I / Amiga Mag Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: all In the May issue of Amazing Computing / Amiga, (with the A3000 on the cover) is a rumor column, which also just happens to talk about CD-I (and mention OS-9) for several paragraphs. The context is this: rumors have been around for a while that Commodore is thinking about a CDROM machine based around the Amiga chips. Actually when I first heard those rumors, I figured they were gonna be another CD-I machine maker, like a lot of companies. But Amiga mags keep saying that no, it'll use the Amiga chips... which makes it less powerful graphically than a true CD-I box, of course. Still, interesting reading. #: 3377 S15/Hot Topics 09-May-90 02:36:47 Sb: CD-I Based Museum! Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: all from NewsGrid: WASHINGTON (MAY 8) BUSINESS WIRE - Capitol Disc Interactive and Philips Mexicana, S.A. de C.V., Tuesday announced the development of a Compact Disc-Interactive (CD-I) system for multimedia point-of-information displays in the Museo Amparo Puebla, a museum dedicated to indigenous Mexican history being constructed in Puebla, Mexico. Museo Amparo, the first museum in the world to incorporate Compact Disc-Interactive technology in its design, will utilize twenty-eight CD-I kiosks throughout the building. Each disc will contain language tracks in Spanish, English, French and Japanese. As Amparo visitors move from room to room, they will plug headsets into the kiosks and, through Philips 20" touch screen television monitors, they can learn at their own pace about the historic context of the display room's treasures. A moving "time-line" will provide the foundation for understanding the age and context of the displayed objects through comparisons with developments in other ancient civilizations. Through CD-I, games and tasks of ancient civilizations will involve the viewers in the ancient cultures. #: 3393 S15/Hot Topics 10-May-90 05:51:08 Sb: #OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: Paul Ward 73477,2004 Paul, I heard a rumor yesterday (not from anyone in Raleigh, either..grin) that you folks at Kenneth-Leigh Ent. are now considering the Uniflex operating system (whether it's an AND/OR with OS9, I don't know) for the MM/1 computer. I would hope we'll see the OS9 Operating system on the MM/1.... Care to comment???? Dan There is 1 Reply. #: 3408 S15/Hot Topics 10-May-90 21:11:00 Sb: #3393-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Steve Sampson N5OWK 75136,626 To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X) Just a note to say TSC became UniFlex Ltd or some such, and are pushing their new software with gusto. There's probably all sorts of deals being made. Their goal being to become "The" 68k Operating System. They're still priced out of my range though. Probably got some good bulk discounts though. There are 2 Replies. #: 3410 S15/Hot Topics 10-May-90 22:46:15 Sb: #3408-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: Steve Sampson N5OWK 75136,626 Steve, Well...what I heard is just a rumor. And a surprising one. I thought (due to the message traffic, etc.) that the MM/1 had OS9 locked in....but lord knows what this latest rumor is all about. Dan #: 3415 S15/Hot Topics 11-May-90 01:43:09 Sb: #3408-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Steve Sampson N5OWK 75136,626 Steve - interesting thing is, the MM/1 has the hardware needed for running UniFlex. And yeah, they may be getting smarter, price-wise. You can't become "the 68K operating system" by charging as much as they normally do . As another sidenote, GEM is also available for 68070/VSC systems. No idea what their prices are like tho. #: 3433 S15/Hot Topics 12-May-90 16:02:27 Sb: #3393-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X) Dan, Well, the best response here is no response. I WILL say that UniFlex is interested and that we talk. Kenneth-Leigh Enterprises and Interactive Media Systems have spent tens of thousands of dollars already. We will spend half a million before the year is out. That means that our choice of the operating system depends on two factors: timing, and what our markets need. UniFlex is EXTREMELY UNIX-like, even more so than OS-9. THis is sure to win over our education market, although OS9 could be made to work nicely, too. Also, UniFlex is real-time, making it logical for the data acquisition folks. Of course, I want OS-9 on the MM/1, too. But timing and the market drive us. We'll use a system that makes sense for the market, and work with the company that makes sense to us. BTW, you didn't mention that Minix may soon be available on the MM/1? Not that >I< want to be starting rumors! Paul There are 2 Replies. #: 3434 S15/Hot Topics 12-May-90 16:41:35 Sb: #3433-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Dan, Part of that message got garbled -- strangeness at CIS! What was not printed was: OS-9 could also do extremely well in the education market, although I think it would be a somewhat harder sell. Also, with UniFlex being real-time, the data acquisition folks that we have targeted could do their work nicely. Over the years, UniFLex has kept up with changes in Unix, even to the point that they are FIPS (Federal Processing Standard) compatible and have NFS and so on. Very nice. Still, Microware seems to be getting some good stuff over, too. I don't want to give anyone the impression that Microware is being excluded. Just that we are committing ourselves to the OS vendor that commits to us -and we have a good relationship with Microware and UniFlex. Paul There are 3 Replies. #: 3440 S15/Hot Topics 12-May-90 23:34:18 Sb: #3434-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: John Dickey 76537,2631 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Paul, Two quick things... One, Have not yet received any info (other than here on the sig) of the MM/1 from KLE. Address to send to is... John Dickey Jr. Susquehanna QBS 325 N. Pine St. Lancaster, PA 17603 Two, The MM/1 without OS9 would hold no interest to us at Susquehanna... Maybe I'm coming into this conversation at mid-point but the gist of what I'm reading sure isn't re-assuring. Understand market, etc. but I thought that since Phillips (et al) had [chosen?] OS9 that the machine you were bringing out would have it as the OS? Would appreciate any comment you would have that would straighten out any mis-understanding on my part. Thanks for your time and in getting out a brochure/info on the MM/1 to us. John There is 1 Reply. #: 3443 S15/Hot Topics 13-May-90 06:10:01 Sb: #3440-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: John Dickey 76537,2631 (X) John, Thanks for the address -- I'll need to check to see if you were on the list for the second mailing (going out this week). The first mailing went out around the Fest (over 800 pieces) and this one is at least as big. We've had a really tough time keeping up with the demand. About OS-9 on the MM/1 -- by no means are we excluding it. Remember what happened to us with Tandy -- we were dealing with a company that seemed mute. Microware and UniFLex (one more than the other) have been communicating with us well, making us hopeful that if one or both operating systems is included we as a community will have a forthcoming and involved OS vendor to by (oops, "be") a partner. Does that make sense to you? Paul There are 2 Replies. #: 3449 S15/Hot Topics 13-May-90 10:34:30 Sb: #3443-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Colin Smith 73777,1360 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) I HATE Unix! [Just an opinion] BTW Paul, is there any chance of a CHEAP high level programming language being made available (i.e. BASIC09 for $25?). And one more thing. How soon before you will start announcing prices, software support, etc? The suspense is killing me. -Colin There are 2 Replies. #: 3460 S15/Hot Topics 13-May-90 14:49:00 Sb: #3449-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Steve Sampson N5OWK 75136,626 To: Colin Smith 73777,1360 (X) Then you'll hate OS-9 - it's billed as Unix-Like. :-) Cheap and 68K parts are two words that don't go together. If you want a cheap basic, go buy an used Apple II+... :-) There is 1 Reply. #: 3550 S15/Hot Topics 17-May-90 00:34:51 Sb: #3460-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Colin Smith 73777,1360 To: Steve Sampson N5OWK 75136,626 (X) No, I actually like OS-9. I just hate UNIX. What are the differences? How about DEL vs RM, DIR vs LS, LIST vs CAT etc... --Colin KB5BSH There is 1 Reply. #: 3557 S15/Hot Topics 17-May-90 16:07:27 Sb: #3550-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: Colin Smith 73777,1360 (not standing up for UN*X, mind you, I'm a VMS person at work, and an OS9er at home, but) UN*X does have an alias command so you can make your user interface to be anything you like. And UN*X does emply command line parameters and switches just like OS9 does. First thing I did when we got an Ultrix (DEC's flavor of UNIX) box was to go set up personal aliass for all the common commands to be like VMS! Zack Oh, Tim Koonce ported alias to OS9, so if you DO like UNIX, you can make your CoCo seem like it is running UNIX and not OS9! #: 3507 S15/Hot Topics 15-May-90 10:00:32 Sb: #3449-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Colin Smith 73777,1360 (X) Colin, The current plan is to include a high level language in the base case system, and to include ANOTHER high level language in the second board package, making a full system come with TWO languages. Plus, we will be selling a language currently selling extremely well on MS-DOS machines. Pricing? Will let you know the REAL price in about a month. We have found that certain items are costing less, others more. We want to find a price that gives you guys a break but also allows us to hire FULL TIME PROGRAMMERS to crank out cool stuff. Incidentally, we already have several people from Atari, Amiga, and PC domains itching to get a system. Looks like the application support, esp. on the multimedia side, will be outrageous. I hate UNIX too, because it has made itself inconsistent and quirky at the Shell level which is where I spend most of my time. I am sorry, but I like the OS-9 convention of keeping executables together, instead of littering them all about. I mean, why have /usr, /bin, /misc, and so on? But I'm just being a stick in the mud. UNIX will be on five times as many desktops in two years as it is now. And if you look into Personal Computing Magazine this month, you'll see that MS-DOS is going LOSE about 20% market share. Looks like Tandy dropped the CoCo just in time to devote itself entirely to a fading market! Paul There are 3 Replies. #: 3533 S15/Hot Topics 16-May-90 18:45:05 Sb: #3507-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 What about Rexx? I'm not familiar (yet) with OS/9, but I think it'd be A Very, Very, Good Thing to have an implementation of Rexx available for the MM/1 (maybe talk with William Hawes?). It's a fairly high-level language, and since the MM/1 _is_ multiuser and multitasking, having it on the machine from the git-go would give yet another slight 'edge' (plus, there are a lot of ARexx scripts out there already that I'm sure could be adapted quickly and easily.) You said something about hiring FULL TIME PROGRAMMERS to crank out cool stuff... I'd be interested in seeing a list of what you have 3rd parties already working on (like paint programs, animation prorams, etc), and another list of what applications you'd need full time prorammers for rather than farming it out (85% curiosity :). --Eet-- (An Itchy Amiga Person :) #: 3544 S15/Hot Topics 16-May-90 22:21:20 Sb: #3507-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 Paul, I hope that "popular MSDOS language" is not Pascal -- I'd hate to pay one extra penny for my 2nd board to get that crippled dinosaur. Just send my Pascal diskette blank, save me the trouble of reformatting it. All I want is C, and maybe Basic for "shell scripts." UNIX has very powerful Shell programming language, but I hope I never figure out how to use it. At work we have 25-year-old clerks to devote their lives to its arcane syntax. "Inconsistent" is being very nice of you. --mike k #: 3551 S15/Hot Topics 17-May-90 00:37:17 Sb: #3507-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Colin Smith 73777,1360 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 Awww, too bad for Tandy. Anyway, I need the rest of the summer to save up some more dough. I hope you're happy; you're going to take all my money!! -Colin #: 3471 S15/Hot Topics 13-May-90 21:08:14 Sb: #3443-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: John Dickey 76537,2631 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Paul, Thanks for the quick reply. It makes a lot of sense to me, and seeing the qualification puts my mind at ease. Thanks for the reply and in advance for the info on the MM1. Looking forward to seeing it. John #: 3499 S15/Hot Topics 14-May-90 21:56:17 Sb: #3434-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Is UniFlex any better at real-time work than OSK? Microware has always praised OS9/K for its realtime response. BTW, I recall UniFlex being around back in the 6809 days -- oops, I mean around the time OS9 was pushing out Flex, about 1983. This is the first I've heard of UniFlex since way back then. And we thought Microware was hiding under a bushel...mike k There are 2 Replies. #: 3504 S15/Hot Topics 15-May-90 00:10:09 Sb: #3499-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Steve Sampson N5OWK 75136,626 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X) Not better, but designed differently. RT OSK designs can be put together without a disk, while UniFlex needs a Hard Disk. It swaps processes to memory and/or the hard disk. OSK just uses RAM and doesn't swap. This can be a plus in many applications. My old UniFlex always swaps. Even if I have enough memory. It's basically just running procs in a 512Kb max space, and using the rest of memory (1.5meg) as the swap device (software memory management). Equipped with a 68030 you can run virtual memory and forget all that garbage. I want to port Minix to mine and get basically the system that OSK uses - out of memory? tough! The C compiler/Assembler are very good on the UniFlex machine. I documented a couple of bugs, but they are easy to work around. One feature it says I'm supposed to have is a Unix switch on the C compiler. As it is UniFlex uses a CR rather than a LF, and that messes alot of stuff up. The switch doesn't work though (the required library is probably an option $$). The other thing I hate is that it uses a '+' for command line options, rather than a '-' like normal. This causes you to have to use the shift key to get at. It's probably cheaper to buy a 386 with 'real' Unix than get UniFlex software by itself. It's very expensive with the RT and Virtual Mem options. Unless they had a big price reduction. There is 1 Reply. #: 3537 S15/Hot Topics 16-May-90 22:01:04 Sb: #3504-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Steve Sampson N5OWK 75136,626 (X) Very interesting. Sounds like UNIX warmed over, same good and bad points. Except it's like OSK, not UNIX, in using CR instead of LF. As to price, Paul is hinting that UniFlex may be making a good deal, in order to get their product into t he spotlight maybe. I hadn't heard of UniFlex since 1983! Thanks for the info. #: 3510 S15/Hot Topics 15-May-90 10:14:23 Sb: #3499-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X) Mike, TSC changed its name to UniFlex fairly recently. They actually sell pretty well nowadays, and their real-time response is quite good, certainly adequate for our targets. Flex was the OS that Tandy was considering along with OS-9 for the 6809. Flex lost out because they were -- at that time -- unwilling to do the port to the Color Computer. I guess they learn lessons! BTW, I am still big on Microware. They are busy because they have a very fine product. And I am negotiating (on the side) a deal with a DC beltway bandit to sell LOTS of copies of OS-9 and OS-9000 in a telemetry system that integrates an AMD29K, 68030,a dn 80386! Weird setup, but each chip is actually being used for what it does best. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 3540 S15/Hot Topics 16-May-90 22:11:51 Sb: #3510-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 Glad to hear Microware is still in the running, whew! So Flex and Uniflex are from the same outfit. Ya know Frank Hogg used to be a big Flex dealer, and phased over to OS9. Nice to know some beltway bandit got a '386 to do something besides spreadsheets, or whatever PClones are used for, grin. #: 3555 S15/Hot Topics 17-May-90 10:29:36 Sb: #3434-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 As a user/developer of os/9 communications software that runs on VME slaves, let me vote for an o.s. that does not require an attached mass storage device. If you require that (as people here have said UniFlex does), you lock yourself out of imbedded systems where a *lot* of the data acquisition work is done. FWIW. Mark Wuest #: 3446 S15/Hot Topics 13-May-90 09:25:43 Sb: #3433-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Paul, Thanks for the update. Minix, eh? Oh...btw...keep us updated! Dan There is 1 Reply. #: 3448 S15/Hot Topics 13-May-90 10:14:22 Sb: #3446-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X) Dan, No problem. You might want to look at all the official literature coming out of Kenneth-Leigh Enterprises -- notice that there is no mention of OS-9! That's not to say (once again) that we won't HAVE OS-9 -- just that the OS that's bundled with the system will be determined by timing and by what the market needs (low cost, powerful multitasking, UNIX-style). And, once again, we have good relations with the OS vendors mentioned. Paul #: 3453 S15/Hot Topics 13-May-90 11:44:55 Sb: #3053-#That Darn Computer! Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Colin Smith 73777,1360 (X) Paul I received the flyer from your group regarding the new computer, it seemed to me that it wasn't a finalized design, but a wish list. Also there was not any price or availability mentioned. I also have just received a flyer from the competition on their new intro to the os-9 market, the TC9. Now they have described how expandable it it is and how you could add a 68 this and a 16 MHZ that. But they did list a price for the TC9 at $299. But I could did not really say what ALL was on the board. Are we paying $299 for a coco3 ? with a KBUS connector with a Parallel port and 2 serial ports or what? Regardless, I am exited that there ARE TWO logical upgrades for the coco3 (I hope Tandy regretthere decision) and am anticipating more news for both of them. I wish both parties the best of luck, but frankly the fact that I can plug my coco3 into the os gateway really sways my checkbook heavily (oops). By the way the worEWAY has been used in IBM mainframe environments as a pseudo windowing system into different machines / processes. I have a friend who writes automation software for big blue machines. He has 3 coco hd systems in his computer room next to his terminal, where he can dial into work and fix the problems from home. Well one day he showed me this Gateway that they were using which allowed him to cut and paste system messages from one process to another (via Windows) on a TERMINAL !!!!!. It actually has more features, but I can't remember them. Just wanted to make you aware of the Gateway name, to avoid possible legal conflicts. Actually, I like the name OS Gateway. It reminds me of the movie ........... Millenium. One thing that I am really interested in is the stereo 8 bit bort for sound playing and sampling. I have been using Studio Works under rsdos which takes 5 or 6 bit samples (user selectable) through the joystick port. They have also announced an 8 bit A/D cartridge and new software coming out very soon. Now if I could only do that under os9. Looks like I can, it's just a matter of time. Can't wait. When will your machine be available ????????????????? There is 1 Reply. #: 3465 S15/Hot Topics 13-May-90 16:52:44 Sb: #3453-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 Ha! That reminds me... some of the Amiga guys have decided that Millenium is the perfect name for the MM/1. Paul, take notice! There is 1 Reply. #: 3531 S15/Hot Topics 16-May-90 18:35:44 Sb: #3465-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Glad you remembered, Kevin. Here, capture this message and show it to Paul... "Millenium is the perfect name for the MM/1" signed, An Amiga Gui There is 1 Reply. #: 3535 S15/Hot Topics 16-May-90 21:23:42 Sb: #3531-That Darn Computer! Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X) Hehe. Done and done. Thanks! #: 3497 S15/Hot Topics 14-May-90 21:43:12 Sb: #3371-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Thanks for the info. Who makes up these names anyway :-) Wonder if the libe includes parse routines and sysex stuff? I already have the basics. Thanks, mike k There is 1 Reply. #: 3509 S15/Hot Topics 15-May-90 10:10:23 Sb: #3497-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X) I have no clue what the libs contain. Even if I had them in hand, I think C code looks like someone dropped hairpins on a page of strange Ethiopian poetry. Although I HAVE successfully written a couple of small C programs, and have the hang of the compiler options. Just thought I'd best get up to date. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 3539 S15/Hot Topics 16-May-90 22:08:20 Sb: #3509-That Darn Computer! Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 Yes, C code can look pretty dense to the novice, especially highly "idiomatic" C code. Pascal, on the other hand, is structured COBOL -- for folks who like to type a LOT of chars. --mike k #: 3454 S15/Hot Topics 13-May-90 11:53:01 Sb: #2973-#That Darn Computer! Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X) Mike Isn't the amiga multi-user as well as multi-tasking, or is it just multi-tasking ? There are 2 Replies. #: 3466 S15/Hot Topics 13-May-90 16:57:27 Sb: #3454-That Darn Computer! Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 While you can fire up a shell on the Amiga serial port, its OS doesn't currently have record-locking or multiuser permissions. Thus apps which have several users (say, a BBS or handling several Amigas for a database) usually just lock out entire files or whole partitions of the hard disk, to prevent problems. So no, I wouldn't consider it multiuser, any more than you'd call a CoCo under RSDOS with one of those remote serial port patches multiuser. #: 3498 S15/Hot Topics 14-May-90 21:44:54 Sb: #3454-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 What I hear is that Amiga is NOT multi-user, which gives the MM1 an advantage -- let your wife do word-crunching on your machine from another room. Too bad we didn't buy those CRT terminals at the last 'Fest, grin. There is 1 Reply. #: 3532 S15/Hot Topics 16-May-90 18:37:37 Sb: #3498-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X) A frightening and somewhat disgusting thought.... Get an Amiga 500 to act as a remote terminal for the MM/1. --Eet-- There is 1 Reply. #: 3543 S15/Hot Topics 16-May-90 22:16:31 Sb: #3532-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X) You're logged into t he wrong group. You meant to say "funny as h*ll", right? How about an MM1 serving as a Cluster Controller for a roomful of Amiga 500s? Just don't compare price tags -- maybe that's what's firghtening and disgusting. Lotsa grins on this one -- mike k. There is 1 Reply. #: 3545 S15/Hot Topics 16-May-90 22:57:06 Sb: #3543-That Darn Computer! Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 Uhm.. a 500 system suitable to be used as a terminal would run about $700-$800... (yeah, I meant 'funny as h*ll' :). Funny that some folks consider the Amiga as 'expensive'... guess I'm too used to fighting with MacFolk. --Eet-- #: 3496 S15/Hot Topics 14-May-90 21:40:51 Sb: #3370-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Great that you're getting support. I just hope that none of the Amiga/ST houses want to convert their MIDI software right away, if ya know what I mean. What, me selfish...? Anyway, I've pretty well decided not ever to bother with a Tomcat. --mike k There is 1 Reply. #: 3508 S15/Hot Topics 15-May-90 10:08:20 Sb: #3496-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X) Mike, These Atari MIDI folks won't be on board too early, not until a "large enough" (10,000 +) group of MM/1 owners have the optional MIDI port. Looking at our stats, that might be a good 18 months. Then give 'em six to 12 months to write their stuff .. so you've got about two years before UltiMusE will be in the Survival-Of-The-Fittest mode. Yeah, I noticed on FHL's catalog that, once you buy the Tomcat board and a case (cheapest one is $180 and I know for a fact you can buy it from Shopper at $75), you then have to pay Frank $200 to put the thing together. Now hackers will do the integration themselves, but if Frank thinks that the hacker market is big enough to keep the CoCo ball rolling, he's got another thing comin' ... No, we want the MM/1 to be seen as a cool product for the software hacker, the consumer, and LATER the hardware hacker. I gues Frank is charging so much so that he won't get inundated with sales. After all, he can only sell a few hundred computers before the GIME chip supply is completely exhausted. Not to sound down on the Tomcat. I regard Bobo Puppo highly. He is a gentleman and a fine engineer. I just think that the MM/1 is the right approach to keep us together as a community. But then again, I am prejudiced. BTW, I am using Sterm on the MM/1 right now! Smooth, great colors on screen, a real nice system. Paul There are 2 Replies. #: 3518 S15/Hot Topics 15-May-90 20:41:12 Sb: #3508-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Paul, My flyer on the Tomcat arrived yesterday from Frank. Any sign of yours soon? Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 3521 S15/Hot Topics 15-May-90 21:27:24 Sb: #3518-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) What?!! You haven't RECEIVED one!? Let me see, here... Gosh (embarrassed flush), no, I don't see you here on the database. With thousands of responses to our ads to handle, you slipped through. Sorry, Steve. One is in the mail. Paul There are 3 Replies. #: 3525 S15/Hot Topics 16-May-90 06:42:34 Sb: #3521-That Darn Computer! Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 Well...Geez Paul....I haven't gotten one either! (Although I have seen one of the beta units already...grin).... Howzabout mailing one to: P.O. Box 1302, Fuquay-Varina, NC 27526 (and don't ask me how the town is pronounced either....hehe) Dan #: 3536 S15/Hot Topics 16-May-90 21:45:14 Sb: #3521-That Darn Computer! Fm: Bob Wilkinson 72477,1037 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 Please send info to me also at: P. O. Box 5038 Anaheim, CA 92804 Thanks, Bob #: 3553 S15/Hot Topics 17-May-90 09:45:46 Sb: #3521-That Darn Computer! Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 Thanks Paul. I really enjoyed our telephone conversation. Pick up the phone any time. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. Steve #: 3538 S15/Hot Topics 16-May-90 22:06:29 Sb: #3508-That Darn Computer! Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 OK Paul. Nice to know I have a little time, grin. Of course if you go UniFlex, that will tee a lot of people off, I suspect. Tho we are now seeing some discussions of its techinical merit versus OSK. Amazing how many people are coming out of the woodwork that have used UniFlex. Yes, Puppo's PC keyboard adapter is a really ingenious hack. I use it all the time now (can you tell by my typos!). Say, what machine's STerm did you start from to get it to the MM1? I DL'ed the Coco version once, spent $30 doing it I guess, but haven't tried it yet; I like OSTerm too much. BUt I could use that B+ protocol for DLs that aren't on Delphi. --mike k #: 3491 S15/Hot Topics 14-May-90 20:23:01 Sb: Mail Coming Fm: John Dickey 76537,2631 To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 (X) Frank, Just a note here to tell you I have sent you EMAIL in case you do not have the option set to get mail on entering the service. John #: 3563 S15/Hot Topics 17-May-90 23:35:16 Sb: #3521-That Darn Computer! Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 ~ Paul; Include me too! The MM/1 is a serious consideration at this point. Jim Peasley 2228 Harding Ave. Redwood City, Ca. 94062 Thanks, ...Jim #: 3564 S15/Hot Topics 17-May-90 23:35:30 Sb: #3525-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 ~ Danno; Looking at my Rand-McNally, you live right smack-dab in an area we're considering moving to in a year or so. What's the name of the lake just to the NW of you? It's right in the crease of the book and I can't read it. Looks like a great area for outdoor recreation from the map... is it? ...Jim There is 1 Reply. #: 3565 S15/Hot Topics 17-May-90 23:56:25 Sb: #3564-That Darn Computer! Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 Jim - there's a whole bunch of man-made lakes around the RDU (Raleigh-Durham and Chapel Hill - "Research Triangle) area these days. The big one up on the NC/VA border is Kerr Lake (old timers call it Buggs Island Lake). I've lost track of the ones which are closer. Jordan Lake is one. Almost all of them are very popular for recreation, tho, yes. I'm sure Danno knows the names of the rest . Where are you at now? #: 3570 S15/Hot Topics 18-May-90 18:34:30 Sb: #2443-Tomcat Computer Fm: Gene Grecheck 74206,643 To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 Frank, please also send me the brochure when it is ready: Eugene S. Grecheck 11520 Malibu St Chester, VA 23831 Thanks Press !> The OS-9 Forum Read Menu Read 1 [NEW] messages 2 Message NUMBER 3 WAITING messages for you (0) Search [new] messages 4 FROM (Sender) 5 SUBJECT 6 TO (Recipient) Enter choice !>1 #: 3590 S15/Hot Topics 19-May-90 11:56:40 Sb: #3557-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Colin Smith 73777,1360 To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X) I know, I found the UNIX alias command and used it for that purpose! I just happen to like OS-9 better than UNIX. So sue me! --Colin There is 1 Reply. #: 3604 S15/Hot Topics 19-May-90 14:22:57 Sb: #3590-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: Colin Smith 73777,1360 (X) Oh, I agree with you 100%! #: 3688 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:45:31 Sb: #3460-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Steve Sampson N5OWK 75136,626 Steve, Actually, I hope that we can prove you wrong here! Signetics (the manufacturer of our CPU) is very agressive in its OEM pricing for its 68070. Plus, the GNU C compiler has reportedly just been ported to OSK. We are evaluating the possibility of offering this excellent public domain C compiler at cost. Of course, we also need to look at just how solid the port is, and then justify the person-hours involved in fulfulling sales. So you may just be seeing a nice mid-priced computer system that blows away most other systems, and with a pd C compiler that can match features with the best! Paul #: 3689 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:48:37 Sb: #3533-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 Have you goot William Hawes phone number? Anxious OS-9 person. Paul Ward #: 3681 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:27:37 Sb: #3544-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 Mike, Nah, it's not Pascal. And not to worry about the other languages you mentioned. Things are shaping up nicely here, BTW. I just hope that people can hang on a little longer. We are FINALLY starting a wave a press releases. Paul #: 3682 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:28:53 Sb: #3551-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Colin Smith 73777,1360 Colin, Well, you can always sell off parts of your other computer systems bit-by-bit! If you're like me, you have a CoCo 3 or two, a CoCo 2 or two, a MultiPak or two, and an extra printer. You could probably sell that stuff and almost get an MM/1 FREE! Paul #: 3687 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:41:47 Sb: #3449-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Colin Smith 73777,1360 Colin, Software support announcements are due to arrive next week. Support announcements in general are due to arrive this week. Prices will be announced within three weeks -- the only holdup is negotiations with ONE company. You see, I won't be happy until I can throw in $700 worth of software FREE with a $700 computer. Just receieved the latest offer from this company over the weekend, and we hope to iron things out by mid-June. Thanks for the interest! Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 3696 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 14:05:07 Sb: #3687-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Richard Ries 76057,3534 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 PAUL- COULD YOU SEND INFO ON THE MM/1? SEND IT TO ME AT: RJR SYSTEMS PO BOX 560 COPIAGUE, NY 11726-0560 THANKS A LOT, RICH RIES. (SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS, I'M USING A 16K COCO2 WITH COMPAC!!) #: 3690 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:50:50 Sb: #3504-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Steve Sampson N5OWK 75136,626 Well, UniFlex in volume is very nicely priced. Paul #: 3684 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:32:32 Sb: #3555-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X) Mark, Actually, Mark, most of our target market for data acq already does a good deal of work on systems that use large RAM storage. Seems a pity, considering how useful OS-9 in small configurations. I wouldn't worry about the OS choice, though. It'll be the one most asked for here. Paul #: 3594 S15/Hot Topics 19-May-90 12:35:37 Sb: #3433-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) I guess the question is--how Unix-like is it? It may have changed in the five years since I actually saw anything about it, but from what I did see back then, UniFlex looked different enough from Unix that the Unix-worshippers would turn their noses up at it. By now you may have already seen the BITNET messages saying something like "MINIX?!? Are you crazy?" MINIX is good for what it was intended for, i.e. a pedagogical tool, but aside from that...I've yet to hear from anyone using it in a production environment. There are 2 Replies. #: 3605 S15/Hot Topics 19-May-90 19:34:40 Sb: #3594-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Steve Sampson N5OWK 75136,626 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) It's safe to assume that anything that says "Unix-like" usually refers to the file system. From there it get's pretty different from the real thing. UniFlex is no different than Unix in its file system (ie, Inodes, etc) but it has so many differences as to be also MS-DOS-like, OS-9-like, or "you name it -like". "Unix-like" is a sales tool, which means nothing really. #: 3685 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:37:31 Sb: #3594-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) James, Good points, both -- UNIFlex is actually very MUCH like UNIX now. Also, MINIX is in demand at universities for pedagogy, as you mention, and to SELL MINIX is easier than to SELL OS-9. However, one of the main reasons that other OSes are being considered is that many purchasers may simply need a choice -- whether or not they actually USE two or more operating systems on the same computer is up to them. Personally, I would push OS-9 on them by tailoring it to their needs. OS-9 can be made to look much more UNIX-y than it does now. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 3708 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 19:27:28 Sb: #3685-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 That's true--and as Feds start writing POSIX into their RFPs, there will be quite a bit of incentive to make it look like Unix. #: 3595 S15/Hot Topics 19-May-90 12:42:10 Sb: #3509-#That Darn Computer! Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Make that Vogon poetry, and I'd agree with you. The above, needless to say, is purely my personal opinion!!! :-) :-) :-) There is 1 Reply. #: 3686 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:38:38 Sb: #3595-That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) James, How refreshing to hear that a C programmer finds C a little alien! BTW, I appreciate your personal opinions VERY MUCH. Keep it comin. Paul #: 3693 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 13:10:00 Sb: #3532-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X) Jim, May not be necessary. Just buy an MM/1 as a remote terminal. Won't need a local floppy, just the boards, a portable case, the MM/1 CPU board, and for about the price of an Amiga 1000, you've got a topnotch graphics terminal especially with a client/server windowing system. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 3698 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 16:04:23 Sb: #3693-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 Well... yeah, that occurred to me right after I left the message. You must mean an A500, tho, since CBM has (yet again :) discontinued the A1000... Got the 'grand tour' of Microware today... some of it was pretty impressive... Some of it was d*mned impressive :). James Jones (my tour guide ) showed me this nifty little Sharp 68000 import running OS/9 68000 v2.2. While the windowing system looked very impressive, it appeared to have one or two features I didn't care for (auto-window-to-front, for example)... I only mention that becuase it gives me an excuse to suggest that you/kevin let me take a lookit the gui for the Millenium before its released (even a GIF pic, if I don't have one by then). A book James gave me ("OS/9 Sourcebook"), lists a bunch of software titles for OS/9... unfortunately, I didn't see, in a brief look-see, any graphics oriented or entertainment oriented titles (other than some GKS stuff)... That's where I plan on concentrating my area of development, regardless of what OS I use... --Eet-- There is 1 Reply. #: 3702 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 17:44:41 Sb: #3698-That Darn Computer! Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 Jim - there's been very few gfx-oriented OS9 machines around up 'til lately (except overseas). So you'll have a wide-open market as far as entertainment programs go. Think of it as being the first year of Amigas being out... Glad you got to visit with JJ! Talk atcha later - kev #: 3602 S15/Hot Topics 19-May-90 13:18:46 Sb: #3498-#That Darn Computer! Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 Mike I was thrilled when I found outI could strap on a terminal on my serial port and have a multi-user system. I really did it just to see what it was like, I don't have a need for a multi-user environment, but I like to to the PC people, and MAC peopleI work with. The only problem I had (I used a WYSE 50 terminal) when I hooked up the terminal was that when I typed a cr and certain other characters, my shell locked up. I tried emulating (thorugh the terminal only) all the different types of terms the WY-50 could, and some were worse than others. But It was an interesting experience. Multi-user, multi-tasking on a computer that is just a little over o foot long, and costs $128-$200. That aint no TRASH-80 ! Can't wait for the MM1, and this new version of OS9 for the coco3. I'll be bragging like theres no tomorrow. There are several people I work with (all software engineers) that want to see my coco3 system now. But I am trying to hold off and wait for the new os-9 package, so It will really blow there socks off. There are 2 Replies. #: 3637 S15/Hot Topics 20-May-90 23:11:55 Sb: #3602-That Darn Computer! Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 Tony, Glad to see you are discovering the wonders of this little system. Just as an aside, there is an "expert" at Tandy that stated the UNIX uucp protocol and suit of utilities could not, no way, be done on the CoCo. Ed Gresick has been using his CoCo3 to receive and send store orders with Tandy in Fort Worth for a couple months now using UUCP. Even tho this "expert" has seen this happen, he refuses to believe it. Just shows you how people cannot believe how good this system is. Ed will jump in here is he has more to offer (grin). Mark #: 3645 S15/Hot Topics 21-May-90 10:24:41 Sb: #3602-That Darn Computer! Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 Tony - I use WYSE-50's (albeit, on a Gimix... but I have used them on coco2's & coco3's as well). Should be no problems: o - Have you read SERIAL.TXT in DL2? o - Do you have the IRQHAK installed? Pete #: 3679 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:24:11 Sb: #3536-That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Bob Wilkinson 72477,1037 Bob, Thanks for the interest! Will send out information today. paul #: 3692 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 13:06:34 Sb: #3465-That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Actually, Millenium is one of the names we talked about at your place! That and the M/Falcon. Interesting. Well, MM/1 is pretty strongly embedded now, but we've been breaking molds all along, so maybe using Millienium is a good idea, at least as the official nickname! Paul #: 3691 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 13:04:50 Sb: #3453-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 Tony, Looks like you sent the message to the wrong guy. You can direct all the New Computer messages to me. The MM/1 will be available late summer -- I mean, we will actually be shipping in quantitiy. The list of features you received is a wish list, but it is also a list of the features that the computer actually has! I have one MM/1 here on my desk, another one in the living room, and there are others sprinkled around the US. We have some small design changes to make, some production costs to deal with, and software licenses to finish up. Then we can announce an official "street price". BTW, we have folks here in Washington who want to put the MM/1 in a hightech showcase full of advanced multimedia computers. Chances are slime they'll want the TC-9 for anything at all, even if they COULD get their hands on one, which they can't. Paul PS. I don't mean to sound down on the TC-9. THe MM/1 is just plain better and is the only choice that will keep our community together for the next five years or more. You should make a list of what you want to get on the TC-9, then ask FHL how much they'll charge you. There is 1 Reply. #: 3706 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 19:23:49 Sb: #3691-That Darn Computer! Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 Hmmm..."chances are slime," you say? #: 3680 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:25:39 Sb: #3539-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 Mike, Well, you know that most of this talk about UNIFlex is really not worth worrying about. You will have an OS that makes you feel COMPLETELY at home (wink). Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 3707 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 19:24:37 Sb: #3680-That Darn Computer! Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 Hmmm...since Dr. K. works where I used to work, that is somewhat of a scary thought for me. #: 3612 S15/Hot Topics 19-May-90 23:03:44 Sb: #3570-#Tomcat Computer Fm: Frank Hogg 70310,317 To: Gene Grecheck 74206,643 Will do, thanks for asking. Frank There is 1 Reply. #: 3678 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:18:55 Sb: #3612-Tomcat Computer Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 Frank, Tomcat looks good from here. (Rx'd the brochure). Next go 'round you might was to make it clear that the basic TC is (or is not) the same as a CoCo 3. (+++ #: 3668 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 03:57:15 Sb: #2443-Tomcat Computer Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 Frank - From Phil Brown on bitnet: Would you please forward this query to frank? Frank: I just read your Advertisement in the June issue of Rainbow, for the Tomcat. I was quite impressed, and glad you took a full-page . But, as they say, with the answers to questions come more questions. I have pulled out various issues, that I have tried to keep directly related to the Ad. You may want to break up your reply into 2 or more separate replies. For the K-Bus system of OSk: I have heard that the K-bus is only 16-bit. Is this true, and if so, have you any plans to change this? (Since osk is advertised with the K-bus) Does your $300 OSk package come with the C comopiler? How much for it separately? And mainly for the Tomcat/TC9 : It was said that the TC9 is "K-bus compatible". Does that mean that it is possible to add on a K-bus, or does one come with it? (aside: How about 1.2/1.4 Meg flopies?) You stated that the TC9 could use a 68000 board as a co-processor. Would that be in some ways automatic, or is it up to us to make our programs take advantage of this? Similarly, What configurations are possible? TC9 and TWO 68000 boards? TC9 and perhaps a CoCoIII? Would TC9 and a 68030 be better than TC9 + 68000? Since a 68000 can use TC9 as a slave board, can a 68030 use a 68000 board? If you can have multiple TC9s, how about multiple 68000 boards? You said that the joystick res has been increased to 256. How will this affect a high-res joystick interface? Is there any way to get 640 by XXX joystick res WITHOUT using a hi-res interface? Will it be possible to use a logitech, or optical, "digital" mouse, under OS9? (since it will have "real" serial ports now) How about no-halt disk operations, under OS9, without a 68000 board? You mentioned that under OSk, with the 68000 board as main CPU, the TC9 would be "a multi-function graphics co-processor". You didn't mention anything about the graphics board I have heard about here! Does the TC9 have increased res. over the CoCo III? #: 3697 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 15:04:44 Sb: #Univ BBS Marketing Fm: James D. Denboer 76226,2273 To: All The University of California in Santa Cruz has set up a BBS in the 415 area - 415 524 9625 - with info about their Computer Science Institute that offers short courses this summer in -Unix, C, Networks, Fuzzy Theory, Geographical Information Systems, Fault Tolerant Computing, Technical Writing, and more. Plus free magazines to callers. What I'm wondering is if people would call this BBS - I'm studying the conference and course registration market and see a tremendous slump in registration. What is going on out there - why aren't people registering for conferences? Are corporations not funding this anymore? Would you be someone who would call in for info? Or would you rather request info by easyplex? There is 1 Reply. #: 3709 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 19:30:37 Sb: #3697-Univ BBS Marketing Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: James D. Denboer 76226,2273 Well....those conferences sound quite interesting, but I'm trying to even cut back on my phone bill, much less the charges for seminars, food, lodging, travel, and the like! #: 3717 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 22:54:45 Sb: #3637-#That Darn Computer! Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Cool. But I bet there are still a lot of people at Tandy who don't realize what a coco3 and LII can do. Have they heard of the Disto 1Meg bd ? Have they seen Ultimuse, OSterm, Window Writer or other great programs ? How about the 85MEG hard drive I have here next to me. No, must be a PC or a VAX. Can't possibly be a color computer. TC Cool. But I bet the real influences at Tandy still don't realize what the coco & LII [D [D [D [D There is 1 Reply. #: 3727 S15/Hot Topics 23-May-90 00:28:40 Sb: #3717-That Darn Computer! Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 The COCO people at Tandy of course know what it can do. But the PC types have more say down there, obviously. #: 3718 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 22:59:57 Sb: #3645-#That Darn Computer! Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete. Wwhere did you come from. Long time no RX/TX. Yes I believe I have read the serial.txt file, but will double check my documentation directory. I'll be right back. Ok. I'm back. Ssorry about the delay. Looks like I have a file called rs232c.txt It may be the same file. Maybe I renamed it. I did not do the irqhak, I did the diode hack, which turned out to be pretty unreliabel. Maybe I'll try the IRQHAK. TC There is 1 Reply. #: 3731 S15/Hot Topics 23-May-90 00:35:35 Sb: #3718-That Darn Computer! Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 Tony - Oh, I've been here all along. I have been a little less obvious of late because of an intensive travel period, but things are getting back to normal now. Pete #: 3758 S15/Hot Topics 23-May-90 21:52:16 Sb: #3706-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Slim, slime. Such is the power of the silent e. This is a case for LETTERMAN! (forgive the reference to Electric Company on such a stuffy sig.) Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 3771 S15/Hot Topics 24-May-90 06:06:12 Sb: #3758-#That Darn Computer! Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) "But my brother Sam stayed just the same..." --Tom Lehrer Us, stuffy? There is 1 Reply. #: 3797 S15/Hot Topics 25-May-90 11:43:57 Sb: #3771-That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Ha! Paul #: 3757 S15/Hot Topics 23-May-90 21:50:18 Sb: #3698-That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 Jim, Yeah, the folks who use OS-9/68K in the field must NEVER play games, 'cause there are just so darn few of them for OSK. That will change with the MM/1, though, because the graphics will give programmers lots of incentive. And I hope they take advantage of the sound/MIDI, too. The GUI will look fundamentally like Open Look's latest version (see Open Windows from Sun, v. 2 or better). Much much classier than Mac, Amiga, or Motif. I haven't seent he Amiga 3000's new windowing stuff yet, but I feel very good about the direction Commodore is taking with the Amiga. Paul #: 3720 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 23:08:47 Sb: #3697-Univ BBS Marketing Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: James D. Denboer 76226,2273 ~ James; I tried calling after reading your initial message. Using 8-N-1 @ 2400 baud, I was able to logon successfully, but it seemed that the screen was out of synch with where it should have been - i.e. only half of a menu would appear before pausing for my input. Finally gave up in frustration. What kind of software are you using? ...Jim #: 3743 S15/Hot Topics 23-May-90 16:22:18 Sb: #3697-#Univ BBS Marketing Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: James D. Denboer 76226,2273 For what it's worth... it's my opinion that the day when a company or a institution that's trying to sell something can set up a BBS and be relatively assured of market penatration is past, long past. So, perhaps you're not getting the word out as you might have some time in the past. That's problem #1. Second problem is the fact that every mother and her sons and daughters are offering seminars and "short courses" and the like. If I get less than 25-30 advertisements from folks hawking everything from management seminars to courses a month in how to plug in a computer, I consider asking the post office to check on the health of my postal carrier! As far as the free magazines go... who's got time to read all they get now, free or subscription? I need one more? If I did, the chances are that I've already started the process to getting it. Besides... "free magazines" is a code word that marketers use meaning "let me send you some slick & glossy advertisements that we tried to disguise as a magazine in the hopes that you'll read it." Even beloved CompuServe used that tactic for years with "Online Today", and have since at least changed the name back to what it should have been in the first place "CompuServe Magazine". Is your "free magazine" that different from what I've described? Don't mean this to sound like a shotgun blast, James, but having been involved in the videotext industry for a few years, it's interesting to watch how well, and how poorly, marketing efforts attempt to use telecommunications media such as videotext. Wayne There is 1 Reply. #: 3747 S15/Hot Topics 23-May-90 18:26:12 Sb: #3743-Univ BBS Marketing Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X) Yeah Wayne! #: 3756 S15/Hot Topics 23-May-90 21:46:34 Sb: #3696-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Richard Ries 76057,3534 Rich, Sure will! We have two mailings going out this week, and one next! I'll sneak your name in. Hey, I've still got a CoCo 2 hanging around with a composite output adapter! Still alive and kickin. OTOH, this MM/1 is spoiling me fast. Gotta random line drawing program screaming in another window while I'm online .. looks great in 256 colors! Paul Just trying to whet the appetite for the MM/1! #: 3766 S15/Hot Topics 24-May-90 02:50:21 Sb: #3687-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Paul, do you want some space in the next MOTD? You qualify as a "Boot". There is 1 Reply. #: 3796 S15/Hot Topics 25-May-90 11:43:32 Sb: #3766-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 Gosh, Bill! Sure! Let's get in touch on the telephone soon! When's the deadline? Paul #: 3759 S15/Hot Topics 23-May-90 21:53:22 Sb: #3708-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Yeah, I spoke with Kim Kempf a couple of weeks ago about POSIX compatibility -- it's on the schedule, but down the road. Paul #: 3795 S15/Hot Topics 25-May-90 01:01:58 Sb: oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Frank Hogg 70310,317 To: sysop (X) I have just uploaded an announcment for the TC70, a 68070 based color graphic computer for the Tomcat line. Please check it out and make it available to the guys. Thanks Frank #: 3808 S15/Hot Topics 26-May-90 02:17:57 Sb: #3802-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Colin Smith 73777,1360 (X) Colin, If you sold all your blown stuff to a Commodore 64 owner, it would be a step up for him/her!! Paul PS Keep your eyes out for a special MM/1 offer and for some press releases. #: 3826 S15/Hot Topics 26-May-90 10:23:17 Sb: #3796-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) I am shooting for June 15th. There is 1 Reply. #: 3838 S15/Hot Topics 26-May-90 12:47:58 Sb: #3826-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 No sweat. Paul #: 3809 S15/Hot Topics 26-May-90 02:18:46 Sb: #3803-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Colin Smith 73777,1360 (X) Colin, I can offer you $50 off the computer with a special deal we're posting tomorrow. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 3835 S15/Hot Topics 26-May-90 12:37:36 Sb: #3809-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) ~ Yeah, Paul! Anxiously awaiting full specs on the MM/1, including an estimated release date, OS, software, hardware options, $$$, etc. I casually dropped a reference to the MM/1 and OS-9 in an I*M forum dedicated to specs for the 'ultimate' home computer, and was deluged with replies for more info. Everything that they wanted in the 'ultimate rOME computer' is being done right now with the CoCo and LII, with the exception of touch screens, so the MM/1 should be that much better if you haven't left anything out! ...waiting and watching the mailbox and LIB15. ...Jim There is 1 Reply. #: 3839 S15/Hot Topics 26-May-90 12:50:11 Sb: #3835-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X) Jim, The stuff went out with a several-thousand-piece mailing last week! Response has been outstanding. Thanks for the interest, and keep your eyes posted! Paul #: 3814 S15/Hot Topics 26-May-90 03:53:36 Sb: #3731-That Darn Computer! Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 Pete Wwell I just moved, a bit closer to your direction. I used to live in Sepulveda, now I'm in Canoga Park. I'm really close to work now. Less than a mile. Now I can os9 while I eat lunch ! Hey. Your just a stones throw over the hill. I still would like to see your Gimiz system sometime, if that's ok. We taled about that on the phone a while back, before you moved. I'm curious how you hav e have the terminals set up (software wise not hardware). TC #: 3824 S15/Hot Topics 26-May-90 08:57:39 Sb: #3795-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 (X) Frank, Your announcement has been enabled, but you may wish to take a look at it. There seems to be a few characters .. and in one instance a full line of text missing. If you feel it's necessary to upload a correction, just use the same file name and extension. The system will automatically take care of deleting the first file. Steve #: 3883 S15/Hot Topics 27-May-90 22:02:38 Sb: #3766-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Dale L. Puckett 71446,736 To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X) Yo, Bill !!! How's it going back in Maryland. Esther and I are just about to get settled in. Sure is peaceful and quiet here!!! Getting started on the History book too! Did you get the article for UltraScience that I sent to you back in January. Haven't seen an MOTD since we arrived in Kansas in early February. Stay in touch! Dale There is 1 Reply. #: 3940 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 16:04:20 Sb: #3883-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: Dale L. Puckett 71446,736 (X) Glad things are quiet! I did get the article, although I did not publish. I had probs with the graphics & ran short of time. I just picked up a Tandy 1100FD today. Trying it out now. Can't get Telcom to Backspace/Delete! If you can't see this line I got it to wo D D/exit #: 3913 S15/Hot Topics 28-May-90 22:43:23 Sb: #3687-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) $700 machine with $700 free software? Paul, you'll be known as the Drew A Kaplan (DAK) of the East Coast. Please don't take that as an insult -- his catalog ad copy is a blast to read, almost up there with Doc Smith's "Lensmen" novels. ^-). There are 2 Replies. #: 3923 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 05:13:15 Sb: #3913-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X) I don't know about that--I haven't seen DAK use the word "coruscating" or the phrase "luckless wight" even once! (Much less "zwilnik" :-) There is 1 Reply. #: 4054 S15/Hot Topics 01-Jun-90 20:21:22 Sb: #3923-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Just wait till Drew K has played with his Thesaurus program another month! I think "coruscating" is actually a real English word! "Wight" sounds like something out of a madrigal. There is 1 Reply. #: 4064 S15/Hot Topics 01-Jun-90 21:15:45 Sb: #4054-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 Yes, coruscating is a real English word, you betcha! All Things Considered talked to someone from the OED, and the woman from NPR didn't know what coruscating meant. If she'd had a background in *real* literature, she'd have been familiar with "coruscating"! (Darned neo-Luddite media types...) #: 3930 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 10:31:26 Sb: #3913-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X) Mike, Drew Kaplan is one of my IDOLS, watch OUT! Yes, actually the software may be worth more than $700 if you bought it on the street. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 4056 S15/Hot Topics 01-Jun-90 20:25:55 Sb: #3930-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Uh-oh. Well, I'll bear that in mind when reading your ads :-). #: 3912 S15/Hot Topics 28-May-90 22:39:26 Sb: #3590-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Colin Smith 73777,1360 (X) Yeah, I typed a bunch of Aliases into my UN*X shell at work to let me use OS9 del, dir, list, etc. Unforch a co-worker saw me doing it and thought I was making it compatible with MS-DOS! Shou8uld have made him bite his tongue off. #: 3894 S15/Hot Topics 28-May-90 03:47:43 Sb: #3689-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Lessee...I've got his address in my Arexx manual... I'll go back over to AmigaTech and check the member directory... I've chatted with him over there, but never made note of his CIS ID. --Eet-- There is 1 Reply. #: 3898 S15/Hot Topics 28-May-90 13:35:50 Sb: #3894-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X) Jim, Thx for tracking down that Rexx stuff. I know that twoof the AMiga vendors thatrt are in the MM/1 developers alliance have expressed a desire to have Arexx. Just email me that address when you find it! Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 3920 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 04:32:19 Sb: #3898-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Okay, I emailed it to you. Dunno if he'll do the port... lemme know how it goes. --Eet-- #: 3885 S15/Hot Topics 27-May-90 22:31:33 Sb: #3339-Tomcat Computer Fm: NAM PUI 73347,3324 To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 (X) Hi Frank: Didn't talk to you in Chicago Rainbowfest. You were extremely busy then. Is there a plan for a 80x86 board for you TC9 system? I just want see some form of CAD program run under OS9 or OS9000. Nam #: 3896 S15/Hot Topics 28-May-90 11:52:18 Sb: #3795-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 (X) Frank - if you do redo the TC70 announcement, you might want to correct something (assuming I'm right): I don't think the 070 will go 19Mhz... that may be the external frequency input, but that's divided by two to get the true cpu clock, you see. So that should probably be 9.5Mhz instead. That would reflect the normal 68K clock speed value used in computer specifications. best - kev There are 2 Replies. #: 3901 S15/Hot Topics 28-May-90 13:43:57 Sb: #3896-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Kev, Thx for pointing that out first. I don't want anyone to think >I< sling mud! Yeah, with the actual clock speed of the TC70 running at about 9 MHz, and with video chip/CPU contention over memory, I'd be surprised if the TC70 would greatly outperfrom a CoCo 3. Not bad for a $1000 machine .... Paul There are 3 Replies. #: 3909 S15/Hot Topics 28-May-90 22:23:25 Sb: #3901-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Uh, Paul and Kev, can you straighten this out? Is the 15 MHz speed advertised for the MM1 also needing to be divided by 2, so we end up with the same 7.5 as an Amiga? Hey, I'll still take one, but have you got a teflon mud deflector on the MM1? --mike k There are 2 Replies. #: 3918 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 01:25:59 Sb: #3909-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X) Mike - yikes, didn't meant to start anything. But to answer your question, no, the 070 on their MM/1 uses a 30Mhz clock... which divided by two gives the 15Mhz speed. Note that it's only with the 68070 that you have to do this divide... it's a chip with a cpu, timer, serial and other stuff, y'see. If you see "16Mhz 68020" for example, then it means 16Mhz. #: 3929 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 10:30:28 Sb: #3909-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X) No, Mike, the CLOCK is 30 MHz, which is divided by two to get the 15 MHz speed. Actually, a full MM/1 system with the CPU board and I/O board runs at around 1000 Drystones, while an Amiga (according to the Dhrystone ratings I have here) runs around 350 Dhrystones. That seems too slow to be real, but I guess the Amiga has no choice but to share memory with the graphics chips, causing the CPU to wait. Does that reflect the truth, Kevin Darling? Does this mean that an MM/1 will be up to 2.5 times faster than an Amiga? Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 3937 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 13:49:33 Sb: #3929-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) I have no idea. Is it the same Dhrystone? You have to be careful... there are several versions out there. The only thing to do is to run the same program, under OSK on both the Amiga and the MM/1 (and the ST, and the PT, etc etc). That way everything is fair. Hmm. Of course, if you know it's the same D version, then we can compare it with the amiga, as long as we realize that benchmarks are just general comparisons. And you'd have to compare a fat amiga with fast ram, to an mm/1 with the extra fast ram installed. Etc. It'll definitely be faster than a stock amiga, yes. How much faster depends on amount of fast and/or video ram, and video resolution (if running from shared video ram, mm/1 should be faster). There is 1 Reply. #: 3951 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 19:10:47 Sb: #3937-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Kev, I DO know that it is the SAME Dhrystone program. It came on the PT 68K that Pease sent to me, and its the same Dhrystone that Pease ran on his CoCo that ran about 270 Ds under Level 2. Of course, a 270 D CoCo 3 is FAR more productive than a 5000 D super IBM thingie. So Drhystone is not really meaningful in terms of sheer productivity. Paul There are 2 Replies. #: 3981 S15/Hot Topics 30-May-90 01:22:47 Sb: #3951-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) but what was the Dhrystone that was run on the Amiga?? (didn't know there was one.) an MM/1 running at 15 mhz should logically be faster than a stock amiga running at 7.14 mhz, I would think. --Eet-- There are 2 Replies. #: 4061 S15/Hot Topics 01-Jun-90 21:12:37 Sb: #3981-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 Yeah, according to the DStone docs I had, the SAME program was compiled and run on the Amiga. Which compiler, I do not know. A base case MM/1 runs about twice as fast as an Amiga on most things. Peak performance is three times as fast on most things. At least according the the DStone stuff. Paul post #: 4100 S15/Hot Topics 03-Jun-90 22:59:01 Sb: #3981-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 THere are some differences in the 68070 execution speeds and 68000 exec speeds. The 070 has a little overhead. So a 15 MHz 68070 runs like a 13 Mhz 68000 -- of course our graphics chip helps out alot, and DMA is especially nice in improving the feel of the computer. It does scream, even when we exercise a complicated graphics demo in another window. One demo was flipping through ten pictures as fast as they could load into buffers from ram disk, while we ran Procs and formatted a floppy and did several other things. Even on a floppy-only system, we still had EXCELLENT responsiveness. The floppies transfer data twice as fast as a CoCo, and with DMA, to a Dir command executed concurrently with all that above stuff is pretty darn smooth. Paul #: 4019 S15/Hot Topics 31-May-90 07:41:22 Sb: #3951-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: William Phelps 75100,265 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Paul, since Dhrystones seem to be so uninformative, why not use Rhealstones instead? (org. ref. DDJ 02/89) William There is 1 Reply. #: 4065 S15/Hot Topics 01-Jun-90 21:16:22 Sb: #4019-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: William Phelps 75100,265 (X) Good idea! Realstones and Khornerstones seem to make certain sense. Of course,t he DStone I was using actually documented quite a few computers that had run exactly the same version, so we could compare the MM/1 against hundreds of other computers. Faster that some PDP mainframes, btw. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 4118 S15/Hot Topics 05-Jun-90 00:29:59 Sb: #4065-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: William Phelps 75100,265 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 The Rhealstone also runs through the OS rather than on top of it, so it is not a separate process. The benchmark also has a strict reporting standard to discourage "accidental" cheating. The weighting report allows one computer to do well in some areas while another does well in other areas. This will cut down the bragging, but customers will appreciate unbiased information. William #: 3922 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 04:38:13 Sb: #3901-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Talk about mud slinging... Michael Haaland (sp) sure tossed some wet, sloppy ones in that 'press release' file-type thing... The MM/1's interlace 'flicker' is every bit as good as the Amiga's, it has to be, that's an NTSC standard, like you see on your tv. I heard that he compared them using a long-persistance monitor on the MM/1... maybe if he used a Microway FlickerFixer or an A3000 with a multisync monitor, he might not have noticed the Amiga's flicker at all... but that's just speculating. Potential MM/1 buyers should NOT worry at all about the 'flicker'. Consider... Mac users pay extra money to get their computers to 'flicker'. --Eet-- There are 2 Replies. #: 3925 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 06:42:56 Sb: #3922-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X) Ah good, you beat me to it . Yes, hey Paul! Better yank out that bit about interlace flicker being less on the MM/1 than on the Amiga. _Any_ computer with interlace will flicker some, depending on picture content and monitor being used. Computer type doesn't matter. (thx Jim!) There is 1 Reply. #: 3973 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 23:46:25 Sb: #3925-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Kev, Promptly yanked out! The release is now a rerelease -- sans the Amiga comment! However, for the record, I have had a fair amount of contact with the Amiga and with the MM/1 -- I still see LESS flicker on the MM/1 -- so the diff must be in the monitor used or in the particular graphics pictures I have had the luck to see. And Mr. Haaland saw quite a few interlace pics at the Fest, and agreed with all of us that it was quite a stable pict So, OK, sorry I goofed, but it was an honest mistake. Cringing, Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 3983 S15/Hot Topics 30-May-90 01:25:58 Sb: #3973-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Well, the MM/1 has RGB analog video, right? Which means I (and others) could use an Amiga 1084 monitor with it (among others)... and if they get an MM/1 (oops, MILLENIUM :) after hearing/reading that it's got less/no flicker, and then it flickers the same amount... well, you don't want to face that problem, do you? Didn't want to start an RWar, just didn't want people phreaking later when the lace on the Millenium is noticed. --Eet-- There are 2 Replies. #: 4057 S15/Hot Topics 01-Jun-90 20:37:30 Sb: #3983-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 Say Jim, you defend the Amiga a lot, and I've learned a lot about them from you (like how cost-effective the right model can be). Do you have OSK on your Amiga(s)? If not, do you hope/expect to? Is that Aussie port selling at all well? Any grafix on the horizon, other than Kev's someday? #: 4062 S15/Hot Topics 01-Jun-90 21:14:33 Sb: #3983-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 Jim, Yeah, the lace is noticeable on the MM/1 but only on one or two of the dozen pics I have seen. I cannot explain why it looks nicer. Paul Thanks for keeping me up to speed on the hardware stuff -- the video out is the same as the Amiga -- expect we get a little more resolution. #: 3932 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 10:36:13 Sb: #3922-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X) Jim, Actually, both Mike and I looked at the SAME interlace pictures at the Rainbowfest, and Kevin Pease (our designer) agreed with us that it seemed to flicker less than the Amiga. Since I posted that press release, we have learned that, theoretically, there should be no difference. I guess we have all been unlucky enough to have been viewing interlace pictures that don't flicker alot because of the colors they use. Wrists are slapped. I apologize -- although this is an honest mistake -we've just been going on what our eyes have told us! Paul There are 2 Replies. #: 3952 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 19:53:00 Sb: #3932-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Mark S 76004,373 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Flicker is a function of persistance. Interlace displays have a high persistance, noninterlace have a low one. If you want to do high speed graphics you need a low persistance. There are 2 Replies. #: 3971 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 23:38:03 Sb: #3952-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Mark S 76004,373 (X) Mark, Thanks -- I think I've learned my lesson on this one! The converse is that low speed graphics (interlace mode) requires the persistence that apparently OUR monitors had, compared to the Amiga monitors I have seen. Although I actually thought that most of those Amiga monitors were functionally equivalent to the Magnavox 85CM15 I've been using on the MM/1. Best, Paul #: 3985 S15/Hot Topics 30-May-90 01:28:39 Sb: #3952-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Mark S 76004,373 (X) Flicker is _affected_ by persistance... I don't think I'd go so far as to say it's a function of persistance. --Eet-- #: 3984 S15/Hot Topics 30-May-90 01:27:46 Sb: #3932-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Don't blame you. I'm using an interlaced display right now on my Amiga, very, very very little flicker... because of the colors. (tho when I go back to a non-lace screen, sometimes it seems to 'bounce' ). personally, I think the sweat over flicker is overdone, anyway... who notices the flicker in their TV set? --Eet-- There are 2 Replies. #: 4058 S15/Hot Topics 01-Jun-90 20:41:52 Sb: #3984-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 My concern is that horizxontal lines only one pixel high, on a contrasting background, will flicker. Music staves, ya know. If I draw them double height, then flicker will be less, but then might as well not use the doubled interlace resolution at all. I saw lots of those pix at the Fest too, and flicker was noticeable if you looked for it when each picture first came up. But "natural" pix don't have the contrast that sharp horizontal lines do. Any CAD/CAM types here want to comment? There is 1 Reply. #: 4101 S15/Hot Topics 03-Jun-90 23:02:57 Sb: #4058-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 Mike, If you can come up with a solution to the stave flicker problem, you've got a client in Florida who will be VERY happy. BTW, I have yet to upload the details of that deal we have -- need to get data from my partner. Paul #: 4063 S15/Hot Topics 01-Jun-90 21:15:03 Sb: #3984-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 Excellent point! #: 3955 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 20:08:32 Sb: #3901-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Frank Hogg 70310,317 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Paul What you *KAPOW* sling (PLOP) mud! {SLIME?] Naw #FLOP# not (FLOP, KAPOW) you. Slime??? Frank Hogg There are 2 Replies. #: 3956 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 20:12:07 Sb: #3955-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Frank Hogg 70310,317 To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 (X) Paul Now you gotta watch yourself, anything bad you say about the TC70 reflects on the mmi. Be careful out there. Frank Hogg \ PS Slime??? There is 1 Reply. #: 3974 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 23:50:36 Sb: #3956-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 (X) Frank, Actu{lly, not true. There are great many differences between the mm/1 and the {C70.~r (Sorry for the garbage on the lid8ne.) And even if the computers were identical, there are issues of support, marketing, available software, and so on, that all r6#{eflect on the company. No one will argue that the folks at IMS are different from the folk(s) at FHL! Actually, Frank, it is good to see that Hazelwood saw the light on an 070 system. Guess the MM/1 was a great idea that deserved some reasonable competition. Regards, Paul (with slightly sullied hands! Grin) #: 3972 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 23:40:36 Sb: #3955-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 (X) Frank, Nah, not me. Just about everyone who knows me knows I don't sling mud. WHich is different than calling a spade a spade! I don't think anyone who has been watching this sordid business would say that I did anything to alter the reputation of FHL one IOTA! Best regards, Paul #: 3954 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 20:04:59 Sb: #3896-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Frank Hogg 70310,317 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) You're right, I screwed up. It does run at 15Mhz which is as fast as the '70 will go. I had my numbers wrong. Shows to go me for working till all hours. Still it is the best of the two with 50% more RAM and an AT keyboard and K-Bus and it mounts on a drive etc etc. Keep up the good work. Frank #: 3907 S15/Hot Topics 28-May-90 22:15:06 Sb: #3545-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X) $800 sounds pretty cheap for an Amiga 500. I guess that's a monochrome monitor setup. But yes, the Amiga is considered expensive relative to ST (tho probably not for "comparable systems"). Of course as you point out, everything is a bargain next to MacPrices. There is 1 Reply. #: 3919 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 04:25:44 Sb: #3907-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X) Nope, full system, computer, monitor 1 internal floppy. No such thing as a 'mono system' for the amiga... almost an oxymoron. :) --Eet-- There is 1 Reply. #: 4053 S15/Hot Topics 01-Jun-90 20:19:52 Sb: #3919-That Darn Computer! Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 Wow -- all that for $850? Sheesh, a color ST costs at least that. Is that Amiga 500 system with 512K? Upgradable to what? Of course for music work I don't need more than 4 colors, tho. #: 3934 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 11:32:49 Sb: #3814-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X) Tony - Shoot... you are close. I'm in Newbury Park, which is the last exit on the 101, before you go over the 'hill' (Conejo Grade)... probably about 20 miles from Canoga Park. I'm not running as many terminals as I used to... down to a Wyse50 on an A/B switch as /Term & /T4, a PC/AT on /T3, a cocoII on /T2, and modems on /T6 and /T7 (/T1 is the BSR home controller). You're welcome to swing up some evening, if you like (school nights excepted).. drop me a note here, or call. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 3957 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 20:41:07 Sb: #3934-#That Darn Computer! Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) "Conejo Grande"? "Big Rabbit" seems like a very odd name for a hill. (But then, I doubt that I would've had the courage to name the "Grand Tetons" either. ) There is 1 Reply. #: 3968 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 23:09:12 Sb: #3957-That Darn Computer! Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) James - Did I type 'Grande'? It was supposed to have been 'grade' - a large incline that goes from sea level to about 1500-2000 feet in a mile or so. Pete #: 3911 S15/Hot Topics 28-May-90 22:34:40 Sb: #3706-That Darn Computer! Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) He meant there was just a ghost of a chance, and it slimed him! #: 3910 S15/Hot Topics 28-May-90 22:26:30 Sb: #3707-That Darn Computer! Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Oh no! Not THAT at-home OS? Want a new device driver? How many hours to recompile the kernel? What source...? Oh no, not ioctl(7) just to read a keyboard character.... Don't worry James, none of us could afford it anyway, grin. --mike k PS: Thanks for the "Dr." -- anybody got a sick machine? #: 3908 S15/Hot Topics 28-May-90 22:19:18 Sb: #3680-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Great, Paul. Even when I type MFREE, I trust, since I have 1 Meg in my Coco 3 now. I Meg is stock on the MM1, right? I heard a rumor of 2 Meg but that doesn't fit the form factor, no? --mike k There is 1 Reply. #: 3928 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 10:27:03 Sb: #3908-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X) Mike, Currently 1 meg of DRAM in DIP packaging is on the CPU board. The I/) (I/O rather) board has 2 SIMM sockets, meaning that, for VERY LITTLE MONEY, you can have a 3 meg system by adding 2 one meg simms. These SIMMS cost about $150 for 2 meg. Makes you wonder why you just bouth that one meg upgrade, eh? Grin. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 4055 S15/Hot Topics 01-Jun-90 20:24:08 Sb: #3928-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Right, low cost upgrade. Well, I still have LOTS of work to do on my Coco 3, so I'm getting usage out of that 1 Meg. And I don't have to tear it out to put in my new machine either ^-) Say, am I about to get a flyer from you in the mail? There is 1 Reply. #: 4066 S15/Hot Topics 01-Jun-90 21:17:06 Sb: #4055-That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 Mike, Lots of corespondence, i hope! Thx for all. Paul #: 3945 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 17:37:55 Sb: #Tomcat Fm: Toni Long 73517,2713 To: Frank Hogg, 70310,317 (X) Hi Frank I got your latest announcement on the TC70 and think I figured it out. The TC70 is a computer. The TC9 is a computer. If I put them together on a KBus I can run Level II and OSK in one "box" without having to switch monitor, disk drives, etc. Am I close? -Toni There is 1 Reply. #: 3953 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 19:53:22 Sb: #3945-#Tomcat Fm: Frank Hogg 70310,317 To: Toni Long 73517,2713 (X) Not only are you close, you are right on. Not only that but you can have several TC9's on the bus but only one TC70. Parallel processing anyone? Frank There is 1 Reply. #: 4004 S15/Hot Topics 30-May-90 17:48:07 Sb: #3953-Tomcat Fm: Toni Long 73517,2713 To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 (X) Thanks Frank. Am I good or WHAT? Now fill me in on the multiple TC9's , etc. thanks, Toni #: 3963 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 22:06:48 Sb: #download count Fm: Frank Hogg 70310,317 To: sysop (X) I noticed that when{I re-uploaded the file TC70.ANC which replaced the old one that the count started over at 0. It was at 60 before and I like to keep track of these things as I am sure others do too. Is there any way to adjust it? Thanks Frank There is 1 Reply. #: 3967 S15/Hot Topics 29-May-90 22:58:14 Sb: #3963-download count Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013 To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 (X) Frank, there's no way to actually tinker with the download count but I've made a note in the description at the end that the previous downloads were at 60+ and counting. Mike #: 4153 S15/Hot Topics 08-Jun-90 00:56:37 Sb: #4054-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X) Ok, ok. DAKS catalogs are 2 much some times. But they do have some good deals, some junk. I know, I live less than a mile from them. I bought 2 microphones with stands from them a few months ago. They seem to work very well, (for what I use them for, they are fine. I have primarily been using them to sample sounds for Studio Works. The cocos A/D circuitry is somewhat noisy, so any small noise induced from the mikes would not be very noticable). I have also bought a lot of the X10 home controllers/modules from them. Unfortunately the coco / or the switching power supply I use makes so much interefence, sometimes I can't controll some of my modules. I have to turn off the coco, before I can turn off the modules. Talk about remote control ! TC #: 4154 S15/Hot Topics 08-Jun-90 00:57:35 Sb: #3930-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 Sure you don't mean Gabe Kaplan ? TC #: 4162 S15/Hot Topics 08-Jun-90 20:02:40 Sb: #the OSK'er Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 To: all Be sure to take a look at the file OSKER.TXT in the DL #15... It contains information on the new OSK'er magazine as well as a form to get your own copy of the first issue for FREE! There is 1 Reply. #: 4169 S15/Hot Topics 08-Jun-90 22:43:32 Sb: #4162-the OSK'er Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 I just went a huntin' fer this and it ain't there. Did you just upload it, bu chance? Zack #: 4170 S15/Hot Topics 08-Jun-90 22:45:27 Sb: #4101-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 Well, I've started reading Amiga newsgroups, and there is a time-honored 3rd-party gadget called the "FlickerFixer" that goes between the computer and the monitor. How it works I have no idea. You'd think by now someone would be making RGB tubes with longer persistence phosphors, but Amigoids would complain it smears their action games... Yes, would like to hear about this deal -- music involved? mike k #: 4171 S15/Hot Topics 08-Jun-90 22:49:41 Sb: #4061-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 Paul, do you know how the Amiga 2000 stacks up against the 1000 and 500? Is it still just a 68000 at 7.5 MHz, or did they push it to 12 or 15? Press !> #: 4172 S15/Hot Topics 09-Jun-90 00:22:07 Sb: #4170-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 Mike - the flickerFixer for the Amiga (about $500?) contains a lot of RAM. What it does is to combine the two interlaced fields, and then squirt them out at multisync monitor speed (double normal horizontal scan rate). The A3000 has such a gizmo built in, and word is that CBM plans one for their other machines now. So the fF people had a good time for quite a while, but looks like CBM wants the dough now. Can't blame them. Obviously the same method could be rigged up on the VSC output, if someone wants to do so. #: 4174 S15/Hot Topics 09-Jun-90 00:26:37 Sb: #4171-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 Mike - I'm almost postive that the A2000 is still at 7.5Mhz. It's just a fancier case with the Bridgeboard option slots, is all. #: 4191 S15/Hot Topics 09-Jun-90 14:43:22 Sb: #4061-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 ~ Paul; Would you have any problems with my posting the MM/1 and MM/1-OSK news releases on an IBM Newsclip forum? Might be kinda nice to show them that you don't need 8MB to do something useful! ...Jim #: 4192 S15/Hot Topics 09-Jun-90 14:43:24 Sb: #4100-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 ~ Paul; Do you have a (semi-)firm ship date for the MM/1 yet? Just curious, as we'll be getting out your way towards the end of July. ...Jim There is 1 Reply. #: 4211 S15/Hot Topics 10-Jun-90 01:28:34 Sb: #4192-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X) Jim, Having seen Paul this past week here in Raleigh (where the MM/1 video was videotaped!) I know that he is off the forum until he returns from a belated honeymoon with his wife.....It may be a day or two before you (or anyone who has written him a message) receive a response from Paul. Dan #: 4239 S15/Hot Topics 10-Jun-90 21:44:14 Sb: #4053-That Darn Computer! Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X) I heard awhile ago that they will have 2 versions, eventually. 1 with 512K, sold by 'mass merchandisers', and a dealer version with 1 meg, at that pricing. --Eet-- #: 4240 S15/Hot Topics 10-Jun-90 21:48:00 Sb: #4057-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X) well, I don't like to 'defend' any computer, really. I like to get accurate info on other systems, and I think other people are the same way. No OSK for the Amiga, yet, other than the Aussie port, which, as far as I can tell, only Kevin Darling has seen. Yes, I hope to see it (I stopped by microware May 22nd, and was intrigued by OS/9). What do you mean by 'grafix'? Drawing packages? CAD packages? games? Raytracers/fractals? I'm considering doing some OS/9 development, myself, someday. --Eet-- There are 2 Replies. #: 4344 S15/Hot Topics 13-Jun-90 17:27:12 Sb: #4240-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 Jim, I can get you a copy of the Amiga port, just call 202 232 4246. The IMS answering machine in DC is sick and limping, so if I'm out or in a meeting, just try back. Paul #: 4347 S15/Hot Topics 13-Jun-90 21:09:34 Sb: #4240-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 OK -- I've been getting an educatioion in Amiga lately, and enjoying it. Seems to be doing better than Atari. My main use for graphics is music notation scoring, but I just like the idea that you can throw an X-Y graph plot or whatever into your Basic or C program any time. It's trivial to do that on a bare Coco with the built-in BASIC, and about as easy on our ports of OS9. A text-only computer is of no interest to me exc epot for word processing, and even that needs grafix for WYSIWYG. Sorry that Aussie OSK isn't going anywhere, tho we MM/1 supporters should be glad, he he. #: 4346 S15/Hot Topics 13-Jun-90 21:04:07 Sb: #4172-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) OK -- sounjds like alot of money, plus the price of a high-speed RGB monitor. Methinks I'll just put up witht he flicker -- I can buy a LOT of Bufferin for that money, grin. Maybe someday the MM/3 will have it built in, too.... #: 4242 S15/Hot Topics 10-Jun-90 21:52:13 Sb: #4170-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X) not just action games, but animations. Yes, Microware's FlickerFixer (which requires a multisync monitor) fixes the flicker beautifully, but expensively. The new A3000 has a deinterlacer built in. --Eet-- There is 1 Reply. #: 4349 S15/Hot Topics 13-Jun-90 21:13:47 Sb: #4242-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 Animations! Well, I don't need Roger and Jessica on my screen just yet, but I can see it for "multi-media" work. But does anyone make a longer-persistence RGB monitor? #: 4241 S15/Hot Topics 10-Jun-90 21:50:06 Sb: #4058-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X) well, you could use 1 black line for the stave, and then a lighter color above/below the line, and (say) white for the background. This would reduce the flicker quite a bit. --Eet-- There is 1 Reply. #: 4348 S15/Hot Topics 13-Jun-90 21:11:48 Sb: #4241-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 Yes, that would be "anti-aliasing" gray-scale grafix. I've thought of that, and am itching for the equipment to try it out. Also, does a black line on light background flicker as much as the reverse? I'd guess not, but till I get that equipment (MM/1), I'll take your word. #: 4299 S15/Hot Topics 12-Jun-90 12:07:37 Sb: #4191-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X) Jim, Go ahead, post away! You may wish to give them some more background info on OSK. After all, when Interactive Media and Kenneth-Leigh announce OSK as the MM/1's official operating system (as we did last week), it generates excitement, awe, palpitations. But on the IBm forum, it'll be a differen matter. They'll surely say, "Don't you mean OS/2?!" Ugh. Paul "long way to go to re-education IBMers" Ward #: 4345 S15/Hot Topics 13-Jun-90 17:30:02 Sb: #4211-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X) Dan, And it may be a few days longer until I get my strength back! grin. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 4351 S15/Hot Topics 13-Jun-90 21:37:40 Sb: #4345-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Paul, You ANIMAL! BTW....I sent your package out UPS Wednesday, look for it to arrive shortly. Dan There is 1 Reply. #: 4355 S15/Hot Topics 13-Jun-90 22:49:49 Sb: #4351-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X) Thx Dan, for the help -- look forward to seeing the stuff. Does not come with visual time code, eh? Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 4361 S15/Hot Topics 14-Jun-90 06:41:37 Sb: #4355-#oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Paul, Sorry, but S-VHS doesn't allow that. There are some VISC codes available, but I dont have that machine. Dan There is 1 Reply. #: 4368 S15/Hot Topics 14-Jun-90 11:49:40 Sb: #4361-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X) Gotcha. Paul Then how should a person log shots? Is there a working solution that you use? #: 4300 S15/Hot Topics 12-Jun-90 12:09:26 Sb: #4192-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X) Jim, By all means, stop on by the office! We'll have a bunch of stuff up for demos and so on. Ship date is mid-August, as we have always said. Looks like we ahead of schedule (phew!) but that's because we have a large team working around the clock setting up the hardware and exclusive software deals for MM/1 support. Regards, Paul #: 4379 S15/Hot Topics 14-Jun-90 23:07:09 Sb: #4344-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 Paul, will do as soon as I'm finished moving. Thanks muchly! --Eet-- #: 4380 S15/Hot Topics 14-Jun-90 23:09:24 Sb: #4348-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 Hmm... actually, I _think_ it's the other way around. White line on black seems to flicker less, to me. But, then, I'm weird :) --Eet-- #: 4383 S15/Hot Topics 15-Jun-90 05:52:31 Sb: #MM/1 Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: All MM/1 devs. All MM/1 developers: These are a few of the things that I would like to see implemented on the MM/1 - o - device drivers that time out when I try to do a dir on a non-existent drive, or print to a printer that's not on-line. o - a screen print routine that would only require a 2 key combination to print the contents of the current screen (text OR graphics). o - a cut-'n-paste facility for any listable file. o - a file browser to go with the above. Must be able to QUICKLY move thru the file using the arrow/shifted arrow/pg. up/ own keys and additionally to be able to 'M'ax to the top or bottom. o - a file management utility similar in output to 'dir e', but with a command line at each file to invoke Browse or Edit. The addition of Move and Copy as options would be nice also, but not required. o - a standardized Environment/Profile format where each app could go to get the user's preference for screen colors, fonts, overlay colors, etc. More as I think of them. ...Jim There is 1 Reply. #: 4390 S15/Hot Topics 15-Jun-90 15:56:47 Sb: #4383-MM/1 Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X) Keep 'em up. File utils would be from future owners/programmers.. but the system driver stuff is of interest to me now. #: 4401 S15/Hot Topics 16-Jun-90 09:48:59 Sb: #MM/1 s/w Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: MM/ 1 s/w developers All MM/1 developers: Already thought of more MM/1 goodies/standards - (thx Wayne!) o - utility similar to Amiga's workbench setprofile to allow setting system wiue color/text parameters using mouse. (goes along with previous msg.) o - standardized function key usage. Nothing is more confusing to a user than to have non-standard usage of PF keys between apps. Might I suggest, as a start; F1 - help F2 - F3 - quit F4 - F5 - next F6 - F7 - scroll up F8 - scroll down F9 - swFp screens F10- scroll left F11- scroll right F12- retreive (last cmd) ESC- cancel select ...Jim There is 1 Reply. #: 4415 S15/Hot Topics 16-Jun-90 20:44:27 Sb: #4401-#MM/1 s/w Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X) Hmm... mightn't F1 - help be a bit redundant? The Amiga Keyboard has a Help key already, and I had thought that the 'AT' 101 keyboard did as well (?). Only reason I point that out is that almost nobody uses the Help key. --Eet-- There is 1 Reply. #: 4421 S15/Hot Topics 16-Jun-90 22:28:16 Sb: #4415-MM/1 s/w Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X) Umm... no, I don't think the PC keyboards have a Help key. ? I've always said that ALL keyboards should have a Help, Yes, and No keys... at the least. Everything else is icing . #: 4440 S15/Hot Topics 17-Jun-90 11:56:38 Sb: #4380-oh THAT Darn Computer Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X) He he, my eyes are pretty weird too. Just have to wait and "see" for myself. I know some Amigoids really complain of headaches and all sorts of gripes, while others say they hardly notice flicker. Maybe humans are like Coco 3s -- some have sparklies and BLOBs, some don't....grin. #: 4472 S15/Hot Topics 18-Jun-90 20:06:32 Sb: Motorola Supports CD-I Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: all (edited) LONDON - Motorola Semiconductor Products Monday announced their intent to provide CD-I silicon chip sets to hardware manufacturers worldwide. This latest development coincides with the Multimedia Conference on Interactive CD hosted by Philips, Sony, Matsushita and Polygram. The chip set includes the MC68340 32-bit microprocessor, a highly integrated solution for graphics applications, plus dedicated still video and video processing devices. A part of this set is a full screen, full motion decompression processor for the CD-I standard. By providing a global source of high quality silicon, Motorola aims to ease the development of hardware products conforming to the CD-I standard. This will accelerate the acceptance of CD-I as a Multimedia standard and add momentum to its rate of growth as the next major consumer product innovation. Availability of this revolutionary video processing device is timed to coincide with major CD-I equipment launches in 1991. More details will be made available following the meeting of the MPEG committee in September 1990. (MPEG - The Motion Picture Experts Group is a joint ISO/CCITT standard committee, tasked with defining a global standard for video compression.) Over 100 companies have signed up to support CD-I, the majority of them developing the innovative software titles which will drive consumer and pro usage. Motorola will be assisting Philips IMS and their partners to realize CD-I as a global success in consumer electronics and Multimedia computing. Based on this latest announcement, the hardware companies will be able to accelerate their product developments, while guaranteeing conformance to the standard. This standardization is critical for such a global consumer product, guaranteeing that any disk bought anywhere in the world will play on any manufacturer's hardware. #: 4484 S15/Hot Topics 18-Jun-90 23:28:32 Sb: #4415-#MM/1 s/w Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X) ~ Jim; The Amiga designers did a good job on the hardware, I'll agree! There's lots of things about it that I really like - just hope the MM/1 equals or exceeds it. The PS/2 keyboard (AT 101 style) does NOT have a HELP key. I've been using one for about 18 months now, and it's really well thought out and easy to learn. The one that I got (don't remember the mfg.) has the large ENTER key, left/right CTRL and ALT keys, ESC in the upper left, 12 PF keys in groups of 4 across the top, a keypad off to the right, etc. The I*M world has adopted the F1 key as the standard for HELP in the past few years... all the systems that I use at work, with the exception of areas of PROFS use F1, as do almost all the DOS based programs that I've come in contact with. I'm not saying that we need to stick to this standard, only that we should adopt SOME standards for all the MM/1 software that is bound to appear. If, at the same time, we could remain compatible with the user interface, it would probably make the computer easier to learn for DOS types. ...Jim There is 1 Reply. #: 4487 S15/Hot Topics 19-Jun-90 02:30:25 Sb: #4484-MM/1 s/w Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X) Oh, I agree. If there isn't a help key, there should be a standard key for it. --Eet-- #: 4539 S15/Hot Topics 21-Jun-90 00:15:53 Sb: #4390-MM/1 Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Kev, Actually, we should be getting a machine out to a guy who has a very nice file utilitity thingie. So don't worry 'bout that stuff. BTW, I saw a reference today in UNIX Review about ANSI standard display codes for text attributes. Give me a call about that! Paul #: 4546 S15/Hot Topics 21-Jun-90 11:42:57 Sb: #Special deal Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: All All, Please take a look in the Hot Topics section. We at IMS and KLE have finally made public a private offering originally made to subscribers to our insider mailing. The offering is for $50 off an MM/1 base system (or better system, too; the MM/1 kit is excluded). Let me know here, in email, or at 202 232 4246 if you have questions. If you WANT to follow up on the special offer, call 1 800 866 9084. Thanks for all. Paul There are 2 Replies. #: 4554 S15/Hot Topics 21-Jun-90 23:03:02 Sb: #4546-#Special deal Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Read the file... Nice to hear that it'll have a C compiler with it... When do you expect to be able to ship the Millenium? Also, what keyboard would you recommend with it? (I was gonna ask about a portable version, but, I'll call you RSN, I promise :) --Eet-- There is 1 Reply. #: 4570 S15/Hot Topics 22-Jun-90 23:19:05 Sb: #4554-Special deal Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X) Jim, Yeah, call us about the portable idea. I would hate to have you duplicate any efforts here. BTW, the MM/1 is on schedule, should be ready at the end of the Summer, as planned. Call 202 232 4246 for details. Paul #: 4594 S15/Hot Topics 24-Jun-90 08:32:29 Sb: #4546-Special deal Fm: JOHN R. WAINWRIGHT 72517,676 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 Hey Paul! The deal looks good. I'm thinking. Meanwhile, what is this about a "KIT". I saw that word once before in connection with the MM1, but I don't recall seeing any details. Can I buy a schematic and a bag of parts (well - maybe some instructions too, I'm not THAT good as a "hardware hacker"). If I want to put a hard drive on the MM1, I must get the second board, right? And it must be a SCSI type? Is there any way to tie my existing Burke & Burke interface into the basic MM1? Decisions, decisions, - it's a good thing I don't have any hair to tear out. John Wainwright #: 4614 S15/Hot Topics 24-Jun-90 17:59:24 Sb: #4594-#Special deal Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: JOHN R. WAINWRIGHT 72517,676 (X) John, Yeah, we have a "kit" -- the populated board with software. You have to get your own case and PS and HD floppy. Cost is $659 -- a good deal if you already have your own case, PS, and HD floppy! Hard drives require the second board, but the second board gets you NOT ONLY the hard disk host adapter, but a ton o' stuff, including stereo sampling/ playback ports, mice ports, parallel ports, serial port, etc. Think of the second board as stereo music/voice synthesizer expandable to 9 meg -and just incidentally a hard disk interface that allows you up to seven SCSI devices. You CAN use the B & B if you 1) backup your B & B 2) get a SCSI controller card (cheap at $80) 3) reformat the drive 4) put your stuff back on the drive. How you put the drive in the case depends on a few things -- give me a call. Best, Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 4700 S15/Hot Topics 27-Jun-90 20:43:25 Sb: #4614-#Special deal Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Paul, how come you have to reformat the hard drive when converting from B&B to SCSI? Is that 'cuz MSDOS does it differently than OSK? Say, your kit is just over $100 less than the ready-to-rock-it. I think I'll just get my case, PS, and floppy from you. (P.S.: Our OS9 Club meets tomorrow nite. Guess what they won't see. Oh well...mike k). There are 3 Replies. #: 4758 S15/Hot Topics 29-Jun-90 22:53:43 Sb: #4700-#Special deal Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X) Interjecting reply for Paul: It's necessary to reformat the hard drive because B&B uses the 512 byte sector format since it's a PC controller, whereas it is more common to use the 256 byte sector format with OS9, because SCSI does support it. If the driver is written to handle it, it is possible to set up SCSI to use a 512 byte format under OS9 using the same 2 sectors in every 1 on disk format that the B&B does. However, I personally would suggest against trying to convert a B&B drive to use on the MM1. It requires you obtain a SCSI controller, and steal the hard drive from your CoCo. Imbedded SCSI drives (that is, with a controller built into the drive) are much faster and more reliable. And, they're not all that expensive anymore, as they are fast becoming the preferred type of drive (even amoung PC'ers) because of their speed, reliablity, and large sizes. My recommendation to people is to leave your CoCo intact and invest in a better drive for the new machine... StG There are 3 Replies. #: 4759 S15/Hot Topics 29-Jun-90 23:08:29 Sb: #4758-#Special deal Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 (X) The SCSI hard disk on my MM/1 prototype uses 512-byte sectors... no tricks needed these days as RBF handles whatever size you specify. Does mean that software relying on 256-byte sectors (dEd for one) doesn't work, tho. There is 1 Reply. #: 4799 S15/Hot Topics 01-Jul-90 11:44:03 Sb: #4759-#Special deal Fm: Doug DeMartinis 72245,1400 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Kevin, Just read your note about dEd and SCSI and 512 byte sectors. I was under the impression that despite using 512 byte sectors at the hardware level, the logical sectors were still 256 bytes. Here is the dmode of the SCSI drive I'm using now: DD ctrlrid=1 lun=0 cyls=2510 hds=7 sectrk=36 sectrk0=36 alloc=64 ilv=1 step=7 park=2510 secsize=512 trys=7 dEd has no problem with this. I'm using OSK 2.2. Did 2.3 change some of this? There is 1 Reply. #: 4804 S15/Hot Topics 01-Jul-90 14:11:12 Sb: #4799-#Special deal Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Doug DeMartinis 72245,1400 (X) Doug, I haven't kept up that well, but I was under the impression that I'm using a variable-size RBF which doesn't break up the LSNs into 256-byte sectors. That's what I was told by a friend, after I tried using dEd on my 512-byte sector HD (on MM/1)... it kinda worked, kinda didn't... and almost lost LSN 0 it seemed. Maybe not. I'm afraid to experiment any more . Hmm... if you read/write 256 bytes at a time, why shouldn't it work? Seems like it oughta, no matter what the sector size is. Strange. I shall ask. - kev There is 1 Reply. #: 4820 S15/Hot Topics 02-Jul-90 01:33:13 Sb: #4804-#Special deal Fm: Doug DeMartinis 72245,1400 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) I can understand you being leery after LSN 0 problems. I have had it overwritten 3 times when somehow a file descriptor got partially zeroed out so it pointed to LSN 0 as the first file sector. That was the impetus behind re-writing dEd. Let me know if you find anything else out. I had some problems with the version a sent you earlier, but nothing like overwriting disks. There is 1 Reply. #: 4822 S15/Hot Topics 02-Jul-90 01:54:55 Sb: #4820-Special deal Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Doug DeMartinis 72245,1400 (X) Yah, I should keep an alternate LSN0 around with appropriate offset in some descriptor. Not a perfect solution, but would at least let me navigate parts if need be. I should be getting a HD for my MM/1 soon (got one on the prototype), in which case I won't mind screwing with the prototype so much . thx - kev #: 4840 S15/Hot Topics 02-Jul-90 19:59:33 Sb: #4758-#Special deal Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 (X) OK Scott, that sounds like the right attitude -- along with not trying to steal your floppies, 1 Meg, GIME, and ohther things from your Coco as the Tomcat board requires. Well, we'll see how the bank account holds up. --mike k PS: Yeah, I've been watching for SCSI drives in the COmputer Shopper. There are 2 Replies. #: 4857 S15/Hot Topics 03-Jul-90 22:33:07 Sb: #4840-#Special deal Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X) I wonder how many GIME chips are left around? Last I checked with National Parts, it wasn't that many. Interesting. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 5048 S15/Hot Topics 10-Jul-90 20:15:49 Sb: #4857-#Special deal Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Well, considering you're likely to scrounge your Coco3 for everything else, why not. Me, I'd rather save it for the kid (or whoever plays games around here, he he). Oh yes, and Umuse3 support too! Actually I'd have exprected Tandy to have a whole warehouse full of GIMEs somewhere. But they'll just grind them up for cement out of spite. Say -- Coco Club meeting this Thursday here, wonder what's on the program. --mike k There is 1 Reply. #: 5073 S15/Hot Topics 11-Jul-90 12:22:00 Sb: #5048-Special deal Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 Mike - If you're having a club meeting on a given date, at least give us TWO WEEKS -- we're cranking out development machines as fast as the chips come in, and an MM/1 doesn't sit here more than a few days before it's out the door. That whole machinery would have to be rearranged to get you guys a loaner for a club meeting. Would your club consider a special meeting? Paul #: 4888 S15/Hot Topics 05-Jul-90 06:33:55 Sb: #4840-#Special deal Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X) Before you buy one (SCSI drive) from the Shopper, give me a call. I can probably get it for less through my wholesale connections. StG There is 1 Reply. #: 5049 S15/Hot Topics 10-Jul-90 20:17:03 Sb: #4888-Special deal Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 OK Scott -- thanks for the info. --mike k #: 4987 S15/Hot Topics 08-Jul-90 12:07:33 Sb: #4758-Special deal Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 True Paul, but an ESDI drive would be faster, less command overhead, but you can usually only connect two ESDI drives to one contoller, instead of 7 scsi's TC #: 4760 S15/Hot Topics 29-Jun-90 23:10:49 Sb: #4700-#Special deal Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X) Mike - different controllers put data on disk in different ways. There's no standard, because after all you can't move the hard disk platters. So it's because the controllers are different that you'd have to reformat. Kinda like VHS vs Beta tapes... both record, but in different internal formats. There are 2 Replies. #: 4767 S15/Hot Topics 30-Jun-90 08:07:46 Sb: #4760-#Special deal Fm: Colin Smith 73777,1360 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Kevin, Would you happen to know if a Magnavox monitor with the model number CM8764074G would work on the MM-1? Right now it's being used on a Commodore 128. Thanks in advance. --Colin There is 1 Reply. #: 4780 S15/Hot Topics 30-Jun-90 17:08:58 Sb: #4767-#Special deal Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Colin Smith 73777,1360 (X) Colin - I don't recog that number. If it's an analog RGB monitor then it should be able to work. Do you have any other info on it? Pinouts, etc? The CM-8's are on sale right now pretty cheaply, I hear, also. best - kev There is 1 Reply. #: 4794 S15/Hot Topics 01-Jul-90 02:45:32 Sb: #4780-Special deal Fm: Colin Smith 73777,1360 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Hmm. I'm not really sure if it is analog. My friend said it had a covered port labeled LIN RGB, but I'm not sure if that is analog, or even if there really is a port under the punch-out area. Thanks for the help. --Colin #: 4786 S15/Hot Topics 30-Jun-90 21:36:56 Sb: #4760-#Special deal Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Dear Kevin Darling (sir); I have a question for you regarding that dataCASE project we discussed in conference the other night... what is the specs for the floppy drive the MM/1 uses? (5.25 or 3.5?) is it PC compatible? Could I share the drive with my Amiga/bridgecard drive? Y'all are discussing using SCSI drives with the MM/1, so I assume it's possible? Any advice on how I could get a SCSI drive to work with the Millenium (snuck it in there :)? Say, for example, a 65 meg Seagate ST277N? Awaiting Breathless Reply; --Eet-- Director of Mayhem Extra Terrestrial Imports, Ltd. There is 1 Reply. #: 4791 S15/Hot Topics 30-Jun-90 22:29:17 Sb: #4786-Special deal Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X) DoM Eet, You can use either 3.5 or 5.25 PC-style floppy drives, normal or hi-density. Up to four of them, I believe. It comes with one 3.5 hidens drive (useable in normal density mode also, of course). Switching those between two computers would involve the "usual" stuff... like a 17-pole switch or so. Accessing MSDOS disks will be possible, so you could manually move the disk from one drive to another, too. SCSI should be easier. I could see sharing a HD between the machines... altho that would mean partitioning it into PC/OS9 sections to prevent trouble. Hmm. There is a PCDOS file manager for OS9, but I cringe at the thought of using it for normal OS9 HD operations. So personally I'd put two HDs on there: one for the Bridgeboard side, the other for the OS9 side. If you have the second (I/O expansion) board on the MM/1, it's just a matter of using a 50-pin cable to hook a SCSI drive to the computer's SCSI header. Any size HD is fine. I know of people with two 1-gigabyte drives online. Did I answer what you meant? best - kev PS: a friend noticed that a place called the Treasure Chest (?) in Computer Shopper had 85meg SCSI hard disks for about $370! Sounds like a deal! #: 4985 S15/Hot Topics 08-Jul-90 12:05:39 Sb: #4700-#Special deal Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X) Mike Wwhere does your os9 club meet? I have been looking for a group to get involved with here in LA, but no dice. ANyone know of any groups in the area (Os-9 only ) ? TC There are 2 Replies. #: 4990 S15/Hot Topics 08-Jul-90 13:43:47 Sb: #4985-#Special deal Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X) Unless Mike has moved since the last time I saw him, clubs he attends are probably in the Chicago area. There's an RCIS BBS in Huntington Beach--is that near you? (Don't know my CA geography, as you can no doubt tell. Sigh.) There is 1 Reply. #: 5026 S15/Hot Topics 09-Jul-90 19:18:44 Sb: #4990-Special deal Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Jim Yes, Huntington Beach is very near. I'll have to give their BBs a ring. Thanx. TC #: 5050 S15/Hot Topics 10-Jul-90 20:18:51 Sb: #4985-Special deal Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 Unless you work for United....well, we meet in a library near CHicago. I know of active grtroups in Oklahoma City and N. Carolina. But none in the Land of Multi-Media -- mike k. #: 4776 S15/Hot Topics 30-Jun-90 13:53:07 Sb: #Woe is 9 Fm: Richard Ries 76057,3534 To: Kevin Darling Kev- I just got back from my honeymoon and see all types of dreadful things coming from the UG newsletter. To wit, Microware has discontinued OS9 Personell, and the Coco has a shaky future. (The second is nothing new.) Could you let us Coco-ers in on what the OS9 Professional is like? How does it compare with LI && LII ? (Specifically does it have windowing like LII ?) Thanks a lot, Rich Ries There is 1 Reply. #: 4788 S15/Hot Topics 30-Jun-90 21:48:25 Sb: #4776-Woe is 9 Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Richard Ries 76057,3534 (X) Rich - Congrats on your marriage! Actually, things are looking pretty good. Microware has taken an increased interest in seeing OS-9 used on personal computers, and we have neat hardware upgrade paths becoming available soon. I think MW discontinued Personal OS9 simply because buying it with Basic was cheaper than buying Basic by itself. Marketing musta freaked out . But the OS-9 version for the new machines includes the C compiler and Basic, which is good news. The windowing I'm working on right now. Started from scratch only in March, so it's still got a ways to go; and I'm sure we'll see additions posted here as time goes by. But I think you'll like it. I'm sure others can give their own impressions of OSK, but in general the main feeling is "fast" and "lots of room" . For example, I just os9gen'd a 57K bootfile onto a floppy disk, from a hard disk modules dir and bootlist, in under 15 seconds. A circles gfx demo which takes 30 seconds on a CoCo takes under 5 seconds on the MM/1. Etc. You'll feel right at home, too, with the commands... altho they have more options. Like I use Dsave a lot with: dsave -er /d0/backup -d=900627 which means copy the current dir, Execute the generated commands, and Rewrite any files with the same name, to the /d0/backup directory. And only do this on files with dates equal or greater than June 27, 1990. In other words... you'll be excited, I promise. kev #: 4779 S15/Hot Topics 30-Jun-90 16:06:31 Sb: #IMPORTANT- MM/1 Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 To: Kevin Darling Please send me some information on the MM/1 computer. The company I work for is starting a special project which I cannot reveal at this time involving the use of a low-cost 68000 computer. The market that we are aiming at really needs, and wants, these devices To give you an example they tried to use an Amiga for this system but found it to be TOO EXPENSIVE for the market that wants this device. Please send me information like technical specs, graphics capabilities, costs, and the like. SEND TO: SCOTT HOWELL 107 Winchester Tr. Smyrna, Ga 30080. I will forward it to the necessary people in charge. thanks/ There is 1 Reply. #: 4781 S15/Hot Topics 30-Jun-90 17:13:11 Sb: #4779-IMPORTANT- MM/1 Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X) Hi Scott - take a look in Libary 15, and download the news releases... in those will also be the makers, whom you can contact for more info if you need it (their number/address is in there). Good luck with the project! Can you say anything about it? - kev #: 4860 S15/Hot Topics 04-Jul-90 00:08:42 Sb: #TOMCAT Uploads Fm: Frank Hogg 70310,317 To: sysop (X) I have upload 2 new messages to DL15. The first is a question and answer file (20K 10 pages) on the questions I have collected for the TOMCAT. This thing kept getting bigger and it began to look as if I would never finish it. I decided to make this version 1. Thanks frank There is 1 Reply. #: 4861 S15/Hot Topics 04-Jul-90 00:09:57 Sb: #4860-#TOMCAT Uploads Fm: Frank Hogg 70310,317 To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 I also uploaded a file called TCVMM.CMP which is a comparision of the TOMCAT and the MM1.