#: 3206 S10/Tandy CoCo
    30-Apr-90  23:42:34
Sb: #3194-C arrays
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
But Mark, the use of a declaration such as:
 func(array)
 int array[][6];
is standard.  I don't have K&R, but it's clearly stated in Gehani's "C: Food
For The Educated Palate" (Gehani's with Bell Labs and states in the preface
that he follows the C Programming Language Reference Manual).  It is understood
that what is passed is a pointer to the array and that the array is not copied
as are normal variables.  The brackets and the second dimension tell the
compiler the pointer points to a 2D array and is partioned in six column rows. 
The COCO compiler accepts this declaration but due to a bug uses the wrong
dimension to partion the array, ie the first rather than the second.
 By the by, I checked out your more complex declaration ie:
  int (*array)[6];
and it compiles just fine on the COCO compiler.  You are to be thanked for
pointing out what I think is the best way to program around the bug.

#: 3216 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-May-90  22:16:53
Sb: #3173-#C arrays
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
Mark,
Since you seem to have all the answers <grin>, how do I define a ointer to an
array of pointers with a variable number of elements? I have a situation where
I want to define an array of pointers to strings, but I don't know in advance
how many strings I need to point to. I want to be able to malloc() the array of
pointers, and then use a pointer to get to each element. I know how to define a
variable array of integers, and a pointer to a fixed array of pointers to
characters (which is how I've got it working now, just defining a large array)
but haven't found any examples of how to define a pointer to an (undefined)
array of pointers.
Bill
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#: 3227 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-May-90  17:07:45
Sb: #3216-C arrays
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
Bill -
This may appear overly simple, but have you considered using a NULL string as
the nth entry to indicate the end of the array(s)? Make that a NULL pointer.
Pete

#: 3230 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-May-90  18:43:35
Sb: #3216-C arrays
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
Bill,
 This will do what you want:
 char **sp; /* declare a pointer to a character pointer */
 sp=calloc(MAX,sizeof(char *)); /* assign it to the base of a block of
                                   memory to hold the pointer array */
 sp[0]="string 1";
 sp[1]="string 2"; /* now you can use your pointer as an array */
In C array variables are pointers to the base address of the array memory, and
any pointer may be used as an array variable so long as you assure that it
points to a free block of memory of the appropriate size.

#: 3207 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-May-90  08:53:54
Sb: #3201-#tsmon HELP!
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X)
Paul -
Dropping characters is a classic symptom... do you have the IRQ hack installed?
Do you have an upgraded multipak?
Pete
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#: 3210 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-May-90  17:42:59
Sb: #3207-#tsmon HELP!
Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
 The multipak is upgraded and the diode IRQ hack was done.
    Something I've always been curious about:
       I use a Disto RS-232 Superpack in slot2 as /T2. The instructions
 that came with this pack contained a modpatch for AciaPak that I've
 tried using. It has never made any difference in operations. So I don't
 use it. Do you know what the story is with that? To quote them;
   "If you are using a COCO3, the Aciapak driver can inadvertently turn
  off the interrupts via the GIME chip. A fix using modpatch will
  prevent this".   They then give the patch. Doesn't seem to do anything.
          ????   Paul
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#: 3211 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-May-90  17:46:36
Sb: #3210-tsmon HELP!
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X)
Paul - the patch is a common one to ACIAPAK. If you use one of its serial
ports, and then cease using it (so that say, /t2 deinizes), then ACIAPAK
normally shuts off interrupts from the MPI.
For the interrupt-driven SC-II (or any other interrupt-driven device out there
on the MPI), this would be catastrophic. I guess they must have included the
patch "just in case" <grin>. - kev

#: 3212 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-May-90  18:05:59
Sb: #3210-#tsmon HELP!
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X)
Paul -
I have heard of mixed results using the diode version of the hack. The straight
IRQ hack is simplest, and works well. Also, it is slot insensitive.
BTW - any particular reason you're not using slot 1 (the recommended slot)?
Pete
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#: 3222 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-May-90  12:35:47
Sb: #3212-#tsmon HELP!
Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
   I don't know what the "straight interrupt hack is". What I did was connect
all the slots together on one pin (pin 8 if I remember-it's been awhile) and
then do that diode thing. Haven't had any problems.
      Paul
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#: 3226 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-May-90  17:04:12
Sb: #3222-tsmon HELP!
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X)
Paul -
The straight interrupt hack is under IRQHAK.TXT in DL2 (or DL10), I believe.
Pete

#: 3218 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-May-90  00:02:47
Sb: #3197-#tsmon HELP!
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: Lee Veal 74726,1752
Can't find the dev pack (or login) in any store! No longer availble!
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#: 3223 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-May-90  13:38:36
Sb: #3218-tsmon HELP!
Fm: Shawn Thomas 72300,2066
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
Everett-  The Dev Pack may be a special order item only. Check around.

#: 3213 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-May-90  20:52:55
Sb: #Home Publisher help
Fm: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273
To: All
Hi all,
  I've had a request from a local CoCo club member for a fixed printer driver
for Home Publisher and a DMP-110 printer.  Does anyone know where I can get
such a thing?  The problem is apparently due to the DMP-110's horizontal
dots-per-inch, which is denser than most DMP printers.  I'm told that circles
print up as ovals (squished in sides), and so forth.  Any help is greatly
appreciated!
  Bruce
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#: 3224 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-May-90  13:39:59
Sb: #3213-Home Publisher help
Fm: Shawn Thomas 72300,2066
To: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273 (X)
Bruce-  Tandy is selling a disk of printer drivers thru special order for the
Home Publisher.  You might check to see if the disk includes on for the
dmp-110.
Shawn

#: 3219 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-May-90  00:06:00
Sb: t3 help
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: all
Nedd to know how to use /t3 with my second computer. I have 2 232 ports 1 for
each computer. how do I try on into the other? 1St one has the harddrives 2nd
dosn't.
 Any HELP?

#: 3233 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-May-90  02:09:13
Sb: #3173-#C arrays
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
Mark, thanks for the work-around. Using (*foo)[6] instead of foo[12][6] makes
just about as much sense as anything else does right now in 'C' <grin>.
Actually, I am starting to understand things. I decided that it really was time
to learn this must talked about language...and the only way to do it is to
write something fairly non-trivial.
Oh, and I don't want to flog this horse too much, but according to K&R my
original way SHOULD work. See page 105...
    f(day_tab)
    int day_tab[2][13];
or  int day_tab[][13];
or  int (*day_tab)[13];
BUGS: Yes, it is so often true that what is thought of as a bug is really a
problem with the user. Heck, I've even spent hours looking over the source code
for my OWN programs looking for what I thought was a bug, only to find that I
was using the wrong command!
However, you mentioned that there are a couple of documented bugs which can be
worked around. Care to let us know what they are...But I am glad to hear that
the MW complier is 'solid'. Guess I know where to look when I get errors!
Also, I read that you are combining the MW stdio docs and Carl's into one
document. GREAT!!!!! When do you think it will be done?
And, does anyone have a good reason why 'C' doesn't pass an argument count to
functions (like Basic09)...too late now, but I don't see that it would create
that much more overhead, etc. Oh well...
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#: 3237 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-May-90  06:20:29
Sb: #3233-#C arrays
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
Bob,
Let's flog the horse once more:
Your initial code had the array delcaration in the function as:
    int foo[20][6];
which will not work.  The compiler does just what you told it to do, point to
an array of pointers, each pointer of size 2 and 20, so you got 40 memory
locations between each element in the array.
    int foo[2][6];
will work since you are now telling the compiler the actual size of the column
element in the array, i.e. 2 bytes (the same as an int pointer).
    int foo[][6];
SHOULD work, I didn't try it.  Come to think some more, it probably doesn't
work since out compiler is not real smart when it comes to things like this. We
need to tell it what the array looks like.
The very best method is:
    int (*foo)[6];
since this is portable across any machine, even those with different size
int's.
Mark
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#: 3244 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-May-90  16:36:14
Sb: #3237-#C arrays
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
Ummm... y'all are over my head in most of this, but I don't buy that
 int foo[2][6]    to show that it's got "2 bytes" each etc.
That's what the "int" is for. Anyway, do some compiles to asm, and you'll see
that something just ain't right here. I think. ;-) kev
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#: 3253 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-May-90  21:04:44
Sb: #3244-#C arrays
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
int foo[2][6] is a declaration that says foo is a two-dimensional array with
two rows and six columns.  Multi-dimensional arrays are darned near never used
in C, largely because C forbids anything but constants as array bounds, so that
it's highly obnoxious to write, say, routines to solve systems of linear
equations in C.  One winds up faking it out and doing explicit offset
calculations for a one-dimensional array a lot of the time.
I don't even remember offhand whether C uses row or column-major order. <blush>
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#: 3259 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-May-90  23:00:33
Sb: #3253-#C arrays
Fm: Jeff Dege 76426,211
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
"int foo[2][6];" is a declaration that says foo is a pointer to an array of 6
ints.  If this is a variable declaration, it is a constant pointing at an area
of memory large enough to hold two such arrays.  If it is a parameter
declaration, it isn't pointing at anything in particular, and no memory is
allocated.  C doesn't support multi-dimensional arrays, it supports arrays of
arrays, which isn't the quite the same thing.  Given "int foo[2][3];", foo[1]
is an array of three ints, stored consecutively ( that is *foo[1] == foo[1][0],
*foo[1]+1 == foo[1][1]), so obviously it is in column-major order.
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#: 3268 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-May-90  09:31:56
Sb: #3259-#C arrays
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Jeff Dege 76426,211 (X)
I beg to differ..... int foo[2][6] does NOT declare an array of 6 ints...
In 6809/os9 (as in PDP-11 C), the int is a two byte entity. If you were to
declare 'int foo[6]', THAT would be an array of 6 ints, and 'foo', by C
convention, would be a pointer to the 0th element of that array. The allocation
of two bytes for each element off the array is implicitly handled by the
compiler, which will internally do the equivalent of 'sizeof (int)' when
staging the array.
In the case you specify (foo[2][6]), that will generate an array of 12 ints (24
bytes), or if conceptually easier to digest, 2 rows of 6 ints each. Pete
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#: 3270 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-May-90  12:45:04
Sb: #3268-#C arrays
Fm: Jeff Dege 76426,211
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
   I said a "int foo[2][6];" declared a POINTER to an array of 6 ints. "int
foo[6];" declares a pointer to an int (it isn't a convention, it is the truth. 
Array notation is a convenient substitute for pointer arithmentic, no more.) 
Whether there is any memory allocated depends upon whether this is a variable
or a parameter declaration.  If "int foo[2][6];" is a variable declaration, foo
becomes a pointer to an array of 6 ints, initialized to a memory area large
enough to hold two such arrays.  Since pointer arithmetic is scaled by the size
of the base type, *foo is the first array of 6 ints, *foo+1 is the second array
of 6 ints. **foo points to the first int in the first array, and **foo+1 points
the the second int in the first array. &foo, foo, and *foo have the same VALUE,
but different type.  Assuming that an int is two bytes, and the base address of
foo is 0x100, &foo+1 = 0x124, foo+1 = 0x12, and *foo+1 = 0x102 (**foo+1 is an
int, not a pointer ;). If you add in the fact that a VARIABLE array is an
r-value, and can't be changed, while a parameter array declaration is a
pointer, and has no such limitation, you have a complete understanding of how
arrays work in C.
   In any case, the whole system is designed so that you don't HAVE to be aware
of how arrays equate to pointers in order for them to work.  You don't HAVE to
understand why X[5] == 5[X].  You can use arrays just like you would in Pascal,
subject to the limitations that indices always start at 0, and arrays are
always passed by reference.  I always worry that these discussions will
completely confuse the newcomers
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#: 3289 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-May-90  13:17:22
Sb: #3270-#C arrays
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Jeff Dege 76426,211 (X)
I'm leaving town a bit later today, but if I wasn't, I'd make an attempt to
rebut that.... int foo[6] creates foo such that it is a pointer to the base of
an array that will hold 6 ints. The declaration 'int foo[6][2]' creates an
array (assuming data definition vice function declaration), or more properly a
base pointer to an array that is 6 x 2 (or simply observed, 12 elements of
'sizeof int' long).
Agreed that foo[6][2] and foo[12] create the same sized data space, and using
the same internal geometry.
Pete
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#: 3297 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-May-90  16:07:27
Sb: #3289-C arrays
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Pete,
     I must come in on Jeff's side in this debate.  An array declaration such
as, char array[4][12], sets up a pointer, array, which points to the bases of
an area of memory large enough for four data objects of length 12 rather than
to 48 data objects of length 1.   The distinction seems trivial but it is not. 
Now the variable, array, and &array[0][0] are numerically equal, they both
point to the base of the array.  However, since when arithmetic is performed on
pointers the size of the object pointed to is automatically factored in, the
two are not equivalent. The expression (array+1) evaluates as a pointer to
element array[1][0], while the expression (&array[0][0]+1) evaluates as a
pointer to element array[0][1].

#: 3250 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-May-90  20:36:04
Sb: #3237-C arrays
Fm: Jeff Dege 76426,211
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
   Bull!
  From K&R 2, p. 112, (where his previous example used a [2][13] array):
   If a two-dimensional array is to be passed to a function, the parameters
declaration in the function must include the number of columns; the number of
rows is irrelevent, since what is passed is, as before, a pointer to an array
of rows, where each row is an array of 13 ints.  In this particular case, it is
a pointer to objects that are arrays of 13 ints.  Thus if the array daytab (his
example) is to be passed to a function f, the declaration of f would be
   f(int daytab[2][13]) { ... }
It could also be
   f(int daytab[][13]) { ... }
since the number of rows is irrelevent, or it could be
   f(int (*daytab)[13]) { ... }
which says that the parameter is a pointer to an array of 13 integers. The
parentheses are necessary since brackets [] have higher precedence than a *. 
Without parentheses, the declaration
   int *daytab[13]
is an array of 13 pointers to integers.  More generally, only the first
dimension (subscript) is free; all the others have to be specified.
(END OF QUOTE)
  As you see, the first dimension is not required, and is ignored if supplied,
but it is NOT incorrect, nor should it change the behavior of the function. 
When the compiler sees "int foo[20][6]" AS A PARAMETER, it should treat it as a
pointer to a 6 element array of ints.  If it doesn't, it is broken.

#: 3238 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-May-90  06:21:15
Sb: #3233-#C arrays
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
Why doesn't C pass an argument count?  Well...unless it passed even more info,
it's not clear that it would do much good.  VAX C has or maybe had something
that was mislabeled as giving the number of arguments, but actually told you
the number of words or longwords pushed as arguments!
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#: 3245 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-May-90  16:37:31
Sb: #3238-#C arrays
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Doesn't ANSI C allow passing variable argument counts, tho?
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#: 3254 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-May-90  21:08:54
Sb: #3245-C arrays
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Yes, but that's not the same thing.  If you look at the fine print on
varargs.h, or whatever it is, you'll see that the programmer is expected to be
able to claim to know the type he wants to pretend the "next" argument passed
is, so that the compiler need not generate code that actually indicates
anything about the number, type, or size of actual parameters.  (Nothing in the
standard prohibits it, but I doubt that one will find anything save the better
C interpreters that actually do.)
The intent of va_arglist et al. is that there be some extralinguistic way to
think one knows what the types of the arguments are, e.g. by scanning a
printf() format string.

#: 3353 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-May-90  20:39:38
Sb: #3233-C arrays
Fm: David Jacques 71650,1321
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
uh fellas there are document errors in the multiview docs of specifically that
comes to mind is comes to mind is _gs_scsiz on page 10-50 it should be _gs_scsz
and on 10-35 they forgot to mention that ya should pass the x,y when ya want to
plot a point so while things seem to be pretty solid I'd suggest a rdump of the
library to keep you from losing your mind when you try to hack in the grafx lib
exit

#: 3413 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-May-90  01:06:50
Sb: #3233-#C arrays
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
Well, seems I really created a montster with my innocent question about passing
arrays. I just finished reading most of the thread and Bruce Mackenzie's and
Mark Griffith's files. Not being a "C guru" I readily admit that much of the
discussion is above me. But since I started this most interesting thread, let
me add a few comments...
1. After asking the question I decided that using a structure would serve my
purpose much better.
2. Thanks to all who participated. I've not seen such a lively debate, nor so
much real meaty information on this forum for a long time.
3. Jeff's detailed discussion of semantics is something I have printed out and
putting in a folder. If one decided to use pointers and arrays interchangeably
it is very important. But, I'm not sure how clever one would be to do tricks
like that. Not only do you confuse yourself at the time, but what happens a
year from now when you try to remember what you did? Let's face it, the reason
for using a multi-dimed array is to make things clearer for the programmer in
the first place. From an economy of code & execution time it is always faster
to maintain your own data structures.
4. I certainly have a lot more respect for complier writers. Lots of details to
keep track of.
 (cont)
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#: 3414 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-May-90  01:07:43
Sb: #3413-#C arrays
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
 (cont) 5. Certainly no reason to defend the fellows we just said the nice
thing about. Despite Mark's comments, there is a bug in the complier when it
comes to passing multi-dimed arrays to functions. Yes, there is a simple
work-around--and there is no shame in that. But let's not get too defensive
stating the "there is no bug" argument. The bottom line is that K&R state 4
methods to pass a multi-dimed array to a function and with the MW complier only
1 of these works. I agree with Mark that this method is probably the best since
it clearly shows the relationship between pointers and arrays, but from a
strict programming viewpoint it is NOT the clearest.
6. Bruce's comments on the problem using arrays of more than 2 dimensions are,
again, something very important. I don't ever recall using one; my little mind
has trouble enough with 2-dimed arrays...let alone 3 or 4! Again, Bruce has
shown an elegant workaround.
7. Just how many versions of the CGFX library are there? I just read a bit
about a bug in _ss_mgpb() in Puckett's July/89 column (pg. 141). However, a
rdump of my package fails to show the routine. Also, my version has "BlnkOn"
instead of "BlnkOn". Is there an update? How does one get it?
8. Speaking of the cgfx library: Should one use the text commands like Clear(),
CurXY(), etc. in an actual program, or would it be better to have a call to
cls(), and gotxy() in the program and have these in turn call the library
routines. Guess I'm wondering which method would be more protable, etc. Which
method do you fellows use?
9. How about someone compliling all the know bugs (or perhaps we should call
them "undocumented features" so that no one's feelings get hurt?) and posting
them? Yeah, I know . . . time, time, time.
Okay, that's about it for now. Maybe next week I can come up with another
"innocent question."
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#: 3416 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-May-90  01:48:40
Sb: #3414-C arrays
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
Bob - it sure looks wrong to me. Here is a program and a function, and
their resulting asm code outputs compared.
main()                  foo(stuff)
{ char array[4][80];      char stuff[][80];
  array[0][0] = 10;     { stuff[0][0] = 10;
  array[1][5] = 20;       stuff[1][5] = 20;
  array[2][50]= 30;       stuff[2][50] = 30;
  foo(array);    }      }
* main()                 * foo(stuff)
*   char array[4][80];   *   char stuff[][80];
 leas -320,s              pshs u
*   array[0][0] = 10;    *   stuff[0][0] = 10;
 ldd #10                  ldd #10
 stb 0,s                  stb [4,s]             <== OK
*   array[1][5] = 20;    *   stuff[1][5] = 20;
 ldd #20                  ldd #20
*                         ldx 4,s
 stb 85,s                 stb 5,x               <== ??!
*   array[2][50]= 30;    *   stuff[2][50] = 30;
 ldd #30                  ldd #30
*                         ldx 4,s
 stb 210,s                stb 50,x              <== ??!
*   foo(array);          * }
 leax 0,s                 puls u,pc
 pshs x
 lbsr foo
**********
OTOH, many C people have told me that this is not a common method of
working with stuff, and to simply use other ways. Okay, I guess <grin>.

#: 3417 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-May-90  11:39:36
Sb: #3414-C arrays
Fm: Jeff Dege 76426,211
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
   There is a very interesting article in the May 1990 issue of "The C Users
Journal" on exactly this subject (it's the issue with "The REAL Obfuscated Code
Contest" ;)  Page 25, "Dr. C's Pointers - Pointers To Arrays", by Rex Jaeschke.
And NO, I didn't see the article until after my post.  Like most things in C,
it wasn't until I got bitten hard that I figured this stuff out.  I was writing
some matrix routines for a graphics class, and it took me quite a while to
figure out why things weren't happening the way I had thought they would.
   The most common reason for mixing pointer and array notation is so that you
can use dynamically allocated arrays.  Something like this:
int (*foo)[10];
foo = (*)[10] malloc(20*sizeof(*foo)); /* foo is now a 20x10 array */
   If you are looking for another "innocent" question, start asking about
mixing signed and unsigned chars and ints in expressions.  Things can get VERY
hairy there.  I've never really dug into the area (I never mix signed and
unsigned, and I never use lone chars), so I can't explain all the details on
it, but you can be sure to generate an argument...

#: 3419 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-May-90  17:36:51
Sb: #3414-#C arrays
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
Good idea about a file describing the errors in cgfx.l.  Here's what I've got:
 1.  GPLoad() requires an additional parameter, a pointer to the data to
     be loaded into the buffer.
 2.  BlnkOff appears as BlknOff in the library.
 3.  Point() requires two additional parameters, an X and a Y coordinate.
 4.  -gs-scsiz appears as -gs-scsz in the library.
 5.  -ss-mgpb appears as -gs-mgpb in the library and doesn't work anyway.
 6.  -ss-umbar appears as -ss-ubar in the library.
 7.  -gs-opt was left out of the library.
If anybody has anything to add to this list leave me a message and I'll put
everything together into a file for the LIB in a week or so.
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#: 3421 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-May-90  20:09:10
Sb: #3419-C arrays
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
Here's more:
 1. Font - Documentation incorrectly states that the group font is GRP_FNT
    when it is really GRP_FONT.
 2. Erline - Is really ErLine (which it should be, docs wrong again)
 3. DelLine - Is really DelLin
Any more?

#: 3271 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-May-90  13:09:12
Sb: #3175-#C arrays
Fm: Jeff Dege 76426,211
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
> (BTW, foo == &foo[0][0])...
Wrong!   foo == &foo[0].  If foo was equal to the address of the first int,
foo+1 would point to the second int.  foo+1 points to the second array.
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#: 3290 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-May-90  13:28:31
Sb: #3271-#C arrays
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Jeff Dege 76426,211 (X)
Ummm... you may (read: OUGHT to) check your facts... compile the following
program (I did):
#include <stdio.h>
main()
     {
     int foo[6][2];
     printf("foo: %04x\n", foo);
     printf("&foo[0][0]: %04x\n", &foo[0][0]);
     }
You'll find that foo == &foo[0][0]. Since you have already conceded that foo =
&foo[0], that sort of blows your rebuttal, wouldn't you agree?
Again... I'm out of town for 10 days starting later today, so don't construe a
non-response as an agreement.
Pete rep
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#: 3331 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-May-90  20:50:17
Sb: #3290-C arrays
Fm: Jeff Dege 76426,211
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
   Try THIS to see what I mean:
main() {
    int foo[6][2];
    printf("foo+1 = %x\n", foo);
    printf("&(foo[0][0])+1 = %x\n", &(foo[0][0])+1);
}
    I never meant to imply that they had different numeric values, only that
they had different base types (that is, foo is a pointer to an array of
integers, while &(foo[0][0]) is a pointer to an integer.)

#: 3273 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-May-90  13:10:19
Sb: #3194-C arrays
Fm: Jeff Dege 76426,211
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
   It is a bug.

#: 3274 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-May-90  13:12:43
Sb: #3163-#C arrays
Fm: Jeff Dege 76426,211
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
   When you pass 'my_array' to the function, you are _not_ passing an array of
ints, 6x2, but you aren't passing a pointer to the array, either.  You are
passing a pointer to the base type of the array, in this case a pointer to an
array of ints [2].
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#: 3291 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-May-90  13:35:08
Sb: #3274-#C arrays
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Jeff Dege 76426,211 (X)
"A pointer to the base type of the array"... excuse me? Which C lingo are you
speaking?
Try this:
 ....
 int *ptr, woof[6][2];
 .....
 ptr = woof;
 function(woof, ptr);
 Now - when you get down to 'function()', are you telling me that
 woof != ptr ? Are you telling me that they both don't point to
 ints?
Just for clarification: the majority of the C work done in this forum is on the
6809 MW C Compiler, which is K&R based (almost to a fault), and limited. If
you're thinking about any ANSIfications, they simply just don't apply here
(unless you're talking about the later versions of the 68k flavors of the
compiler).
Pete
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#: 3320 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-May-90  20:11:13
Sb: #3291-#C arrays
Fm: Jeff Dege 76426,211
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
][2];
    Yes, I am.  ptr != woof.  They have the same value, but different types. I
can see you don't understand the distinction I'm trying to make here.  It's
subtle, but it is VERY important if you are going to do any real work in C. I
guess we'll just have to hope that this doesn't scroll off before you get back
from your trip.  (By the way, the following explanation applies to K&R just
asmuch as it does to ANSI.  There is only one minor clarification to array
handling in standard C.)
    In order to understand how arrays work in C you have to understand that
there really isn't any such thing.  Arrays in C are more of a notational
convenience than they are a true data type as they are in Ada or Pascal.
Because of this I'm going to have to start with pointer arithmetic.  You
probably know this, but you obviously aren't keeping it mind when you work with
arrays.
    C allows limited arithmetic operations on a pointer.  You can add an int to
a pointer to obtain another pointer of the same type, and you can subtract two
pointers of the same type to get an int.  When doing either you scale the int
by the size of the base type, that is, the type of the object pointed to, ints,
if we are dealing with (int *)s.  Assuming we have: "int *x, *y;", where x has
the value 100, y has the value 0x200, and sizeof(int) == 2.  x+10 == 100 +
10*2, == 120, which is ten ints further along in memory.  y-x = (200 - 100)/2 =
50, menaing that you can fit 50 ints between x and y.  If we had a "char *p;",
where p == 100, and sizeof(char) == 1; p+10 == 100 + 10*1 == 110 != x+10, even
though x and p have the same value.  They have different types, and so are
handled differently.  y-p is flat out illegal, because the compiler can't know
which datatype is used to do the scaling.
(cont.) ... pos
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#: 3321 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-May-90  20:13:26
Sb: #3320-#C arrays
Fm: Jeff Dege 76426,211
To: Jeff Dege 76426,211 (X)
(cont.) ...
    An array in C is handled as a pointer plus offset.  The array notation is a
shorthand for pointer arithmetic expressions.  A[5] translates to *(A+5).  An
array variable itself is a pointer to the first element.  if we have a
declaration "int A[20];", the expression "C = A[10]" translates to "C =
*(A+10)". If A = 100, We end up with "C = *(100+5*sizeof(int))", so C is
assigned the int value stored at location 120.  If we have "char B[20];" where
B = 300, the expression "D = B[10]" assigns to C the character stored at
location 310.
    Array and pointer notation are completely equivalent.  You can use either
notation with a variable, regardless of whether you declared that variable as a
pointer or as an array.
    Now, getting into multi-dimensional arrays.  In C, there is no such thing.
You cannot declare a two dimensional array of ints.  What you can do is declare
a one dimensional array of any type.  If that type is a one dimensional array
of ints, the result is quite similar to a two dimensional array, but it isn't
identical.  Suppose I need to work with a 10x20 array of ints.  The declaration
is "int foo[10][20];".  Here, foo is declared as an array of 10 arrays of 20
ints.  Since arrays are really pointers, foo is declared as a pointer to an
array of 20 ints.  This means that "foo[1]" == "*(foo+1)" ==  "*(foo +
1*sizeof(int [20]))" == "*(foo + 1*40)"; if "foo == 100", "foo[1] == 140", and
has a type of pointer to int.  "foo[1][5]" == *(*(foo+1) + 5" == "*(*(foo +
1*40) + 5*sizeof(int))" == "*(140 + 10)" = "*(150)", and has type int, so
foo[1][5] is the int stored at 150.
(cont.) ...
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#: 3323 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-May-90  20:15:08
Sb: #3321-#C arrays
Fm: Jeff Dege 76426,211
To: Jeff Dege 76426,211 (X)
(cont.) ...
    As a more detailed example, suppose we have the following declaration:
int foo[4][4] = { {0,1,2,3}, {4,5,6,7}, {8,9,10,11}, {12,13,14,15}};
Assuming foo == 0x100, and sizeof(int) == 2, we'll see the following in memory
(Note that I'm using hexadecimal numbers here):
location (+0x0100) 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F
data               00 00 00 01 00 02 00 03 00 04 00 05 00 06 00 07
location (+0x0110) 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F
data               00 08 00 09 00 A2 00 0B 00 0C 00 0D 00 0E 00 0F
With this, we have the following situation:
               type         sizeof(basetype)   value   *value
=============================================================
&foo          int [4][4]          N/A         0x100   N/A
foo           int *[4]            8           0x100   0x100
*foo          int *               2           0x100   0
foo[0]        int *               2           0x100   0
foo+1         int *[4]            8           0x108   0x108
*(foo+1)      int *               2           0x108   4
foo[1]        int *               2           0x108   4
**foo         int                 N/A         0       N/A
foo[0][0]     int                 N/A         0       N/A
*foo+1        int *               2           0x102   1
*(*foo+1)     int                 N/A         1       N/A
foo[0][1]     int                 N/A         1       N/A
*(foo+1)+1    int *               2           0x10A   5
*(*(foo+1)+1) int                 N/A         5       N/A
foo[1][1]     int                 N/A         5       N/A
*(foo+2)+3    int *               2           0x116   11
*(*(foo+2)+3) int                 N/A         11      N/A
foo[2][3]     int                 N/A         11      N/A
(cont.) ...
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#: 3325 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-May-90  20:17:27
Sb: #3323-#C arrays
Fm: Jeff Dege 76426,211
To: Jeff Dege 76426,211 (X)
(cont.) ...
    If you've been following this, you'll see why I've been insisting that a
declaration of "int foo[20][6];" doesn't declare foo as a pointer to an int. 
It declares foo as a pointer to an array of six ints.  This is essential in
order to keep the pointer arithmetic straight.  If you only work with arrays
using array notation this won't bother you, but if you ever mix array and
pointer notation, not keeping this in mind will cause you serious problems.
    Now, regarding array declarations.  Declaring an array creates a pointer to
the base type.  "int x[10];" declares x as a pointer to an int, just as if you
had declared "int *x;".  This is true whether this is a variable declaration or
a function parameter declaration.  If this is a function parameter declaration,
they are identical in every way.  K&R is quite explicit about this.  If this is
a variable declaration, there are three differences between the array and the
pointer declarations.  First, if you declare x as an array, memory is allocated
to hold 10 ints, and x is initiallized to the address of this area of memory,
and is fixed there (i.e., an array variable is a constant address, and can't be
changed.)  Third, the sizeof operator handles array variables as a special
case, and returns the total memory allocated for the array (in this case, 20),
instead of the size of the variable (which is the size of a pointer.)
    An array declared as a function parameter, on the other hand, is handled as
a plain pointer, under all circumstances.  You can change the value of the
parameter, and sizeof always returns the size of a pointer.  This means that
the number of elements in a parameter declaration is ignored.  The following
are identical declarations:
foo (bar) int bar[20]; {...}
foo (bar) int bar[10]; {...}
foo (bar) int bar[]; {...}
foo (bar) int *bar; {...}
(cont.) ...
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#: 3326 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-May-90  20:18:42
Sb: #3325-C arrays
Fm: Jeff Dege 76426,211
To: Jeff Dege 76426,211 (X)
(cont.) ...
    In the case of (pseudo)multi-dimensional arrays, you are actually declaring
a pointer to the base type, where the base type is an array, so you have to
completely sepcify the dimensions of the base type.  The dimensions of the
array itself are still ignored.  The following are also identical:
foo (bar) int bar[20][6]; {...}
foo (bar) int bar[10][6]; {...}
foo (bar) int bar[][6]; {...}
foo (bar) int (*bar)[6]; {...}
    Now for the MW C compiler, if it doesn't handle all of the above
declarations in exactly the same way it is broken.  I wouldn't call it a major
bug, as there is a simple and clear workaround that still results in portable
code, but it is still a bug.
p.s. -  The only distinction I'm aware of between ANSI and non-ANSI C is in
applying the & operator to an array.  ANSI specifies that it returns the
address of the array, rather than the adress of the first element.  K&R didn't
address this at all, and so it was handled and mishandled in a number of
different ways by various compilers.  Aside from that, all of the above applies
fully to K&R C just as much as it applies to standard C.

#: 3248 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-May-90  20:33:45
Sb: #3154-#C arrays
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
Bill,
     I've been fooling around with multidimensional arrays on the COCO C
compiler and I've found that the bug you encountered is just the tip of the
iceburg.  There are basic problems with the way our compiler handles
multidimensional arrays that can surface in other contexts.
I've uploaded a file to LIB 2 fully describing the bug.  Anyone needing to use
multidimensional arrays with the COCO C compiler should check out carray.ar in
LIB 2 under my ppn.
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#: 3251 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-May-90  20:49:20
Sb: #3248-C arrays
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
Woops, the file was uploaded to LIB 3 not LIB 2.  Look for the array bug
report, carray.ar, in LIB 3.

#: 3345 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-May-90  18:40:08
Sb: #3230-#C arrays
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
Thanks, Bruce, that's just what I needed! I didn't realize that I could use
sp[1], etc. without first defining sp as an array.
Bill
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#: 3355 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-May-90  21:19:24
Sb: #3345-#C arrays
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
Yeah Bill, I did a lot of programing in C myself before I learned that lesson. 
Makes a lot of things much easier once you see it.  Just remember that there's
really no difference between arrays and pointers. Or rather, array notation is
nothing more that a particular type of pointer notation.
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#: 3398 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-May-90  17:16:25
Sb: #3355-#C arrays
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
This ongoing argument about how C handles so called multi-dimensional arrays
has really taught me a lot about pointers and "arrays" in C. Its all finally
starting to make some sense. With the heavy assembler background I have, I
don't have any problem understanding the concept of pointers, but I have a lot
of trouble with the definition of pointers and syntax of statements that use
pointers in C.
Bill
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#: 3407 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-May-90  20:55:53
Sb: #3398-C arrays
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
Bill,
     Truly, some of this stuff is not simple and it can set your head to
spinning.  I have found "ADVANCED C: Food for the Educated Palate" by Narain
Gehani very helpful.  He combines a tutorial style with a concern for rigor
that makes the fine points most accessable.  He devotes several pages to
deciphering complex declarations.  One of his examples is:
 int *(*(*x)[6])(); which translates as: x is a pointer to an array[6] of
pointers to functions returning a pointer to an integer.  Geez!

#: 3236 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-May-90  06:20:10
Sb: #3216-#C arrays
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
Bill,
Bruce Mackenzie's method is good, i.e.;
 char **sp; /* declare a pointer to a character pointer */
 sp=calloc(MAX,sizeof(char *)); /* assign it to the base of a block of
                                   memory to hold the pointer array */
You'll need to know the MAX number of elements before you do this tho. If you
need some more after you made a array, then calloc() another larger array and
copy the pointers from the first into the second and then free() the first
array.
However, you will also need to malloc() enough memory to hold each element of
the array before you copy anything into it.  If the elements are strings, then
you'll need to allocate strlen() + 1 for each since strlen() doesn't count the
\0 at the end.  If you don't, it will work but you might have a weird bug, or
you'll stack overflow sometime during the program run.
Mark
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#: 3346 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-May-90  18:40:11
Sb: #3236-C arrays
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
Mark,
Thanks, as I mentioned to Bruce, I didn't realize I don't have to explicitly
define the pointer array as an array. The other problem I've already run in to,
so now I make sure to malloc() one more byte than I really need. I've had all
kinds on interesting stuff happen when I forget to do it that way.
Bill

#: 3240 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-May-90  08:02:25
Sb: #3218-tsmon HELP!
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
You should be able to special order the Dev. Pak.  If it's still in the
Catalog, then you should be able to order it through CMC or Express Order. Most
store creatures are too lazy to figure that out for you, but if you press the
issue they will.  Especially if you mention that you want the name of their DM.
Lee

#: 3241 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-May-90  10:21:22
Sb: #3231-#tsmon HELP!
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X)
Paul -
Top of my head, I don't recall the I/O base address of the Modem Pak. If it is
also $FF68, then it's the same as the RS-232 pak. If you have enabled all the
cartridges on the Multipak bus with a wiring change, then these two could be in
conflict. Even using the IRQ HAK will not help that.
Recommended fixes:
   o - Alter the address of the RS-232 pak to $FF6C. There are
       several files here that give instructions on how to do that.
       Beware that some are unnecessarily complicated.. there are
       a few easy ones.
   o - Ditch the modempak, unless you really need it.
Pete
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#: 3243 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-May-90  12:48:50
Sb: #3241-tsmon HELP!
Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
  Pete-
       The Modpak is at $FF6C; no confliGood to know you can change those
RS-232 pak addresses though.
       Thx,
       Paul

#: 3256 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-May-90  22:43:19
Sb: #3223-#tsmon HELP!
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: Shawn Thomas 72300,2066 (X)
Tryed that to No longer avalble.
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#: 3258 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-May-90  22:54:55
Sb: #3256-#tsmon HELP!
Fm: Shawn Thomas 72300,2066
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
Everett-  Well, I guess that pretty much sums up the coco as far as Tandy is
concerned.  But I'm not surprised.
Shawn
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#: 3278 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-May-90  17:32:05
Sb: #3258-tsmon HELP!
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: Shawn Thomas 72300,2066
So now what?

#: 3341 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-May-90  02:01:47
Sb: #3256-#tsmon HELP!
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
~ Everett,
YOUR ARE INCORRECT!!!!  You can still get the Development System (Dev-Pak as we
call it) Cat # 26-3032   through Express Order Software (EOS) from Tandy. It
costs $99.95.  The phone number to place your order is 1-800-321-3133.
I just hate when folks spread incorrect info!  Especially when it's something
like this.
Best,
Mike

#: 3246 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-May-90  20:21:52
Sb: #3224-#Home Publisher help
Fm: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273
To: Shawn Thomas 72300,2066 (X)
~ Shawn,
  I'd forgotten all about that disk of HP printer drivers!  Thanks very much
for reminding me about it.  That's probably where I'll find a DMP-110 driver,
if there's one anywhere.
  Now for another request... do you (or anyone else who may have it and want to
jump in and help!) have the stock number for that disk?  I'm sure I'll have to
order it, and there's no hope that any of the local RS stores will be able to
find out for me.  As a matter of fact, there's a good chance that InterTan
doesn't even carry it, but I'll deal with that if/when I have to!  <grin>
  Bruce
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#: 3257 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-May-90  22:53:38
Sb: #3246-Home Publisher help
Fm: Shawn Thomas 72300,2066
To: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273 (X)
Bruce-  I'll see if I can find my software catalog, somewhere on this thing I
call a desk (grin).  Will let you know as soon as I find it.
Shawn

#: 3247 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-May-90  20:29:56
Sb: #KingQuest/H0?
Fm: CRAIG WYNN 72125,466
To: All
Their seems to be more that meets the eye to getting this running on Level 2
Isted/Eliminator sys.  I installed a new boot with games drivers VI and
A..IRQDr.  I didn't use games 60hz Clock...must I?   The system boots up
leaving 414k.  Is that enough? When I execute
Sierra the system hangs.  I'am using the shell that came with it.   What kind
of window is it suppose to be run out of?  Is their a file
on the sig that explains all this? 
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#: 3261 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-May-90  01:56:42
Sb: #3247-#KingQuest/H0?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: CRAIG WYNN 72125,466 (X)
Do you have Bruce's clock also installed?
You also need vdgint in your bootfile. The game runs in a VDG style window.
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#: 3276 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-May-90  16:40:22
Sb: #3261-KingQuest/H0?
Fm: CRAIG WYNN 72125,466
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
No I didn't install it...but before I went and created another boot
I thought I better checkup on what "our gang" has to say.  

#: 3306 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-May-90  12:24:34
Sb: #KingQuest/H0?
Fm: CRAIG WYNN 72125,466
To: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273 (X)
Everything is under control...many thanks for following up my message.  I
wasn't executing from a VDG screen....toc is set I believe correctly...all
d1...although it keeps asking me to flip
disketts? its working just  the same.  What really baffled me was that it was
trying to reboot when I first setup and then I would get a failed boot message.
This was after I had already up and running
a new boot with the prescribed drivers.  Well the kids are happy.
What...am I suppose to remove my orginal message now ???
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#: 3307 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-May-90  15:02:53
Sb: #3306-KingQuest/H0?
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: CRAIG WYNN 72125,466
If you have KQ3 on a single disk, this is what your toc.txt should look like:
d1 s1 v0 v1
d1 s1 v0 v2  v12
d1 s1 v0 v3  v12
d1 s1 v0 v4  v12 v14
d1 s1 v0 v5  v12 v14
d1 s1 v0 v6  v12
d1 s1 v0 v7  v11
d1 s1 v0 v8  v11
d1 s1 v0 v9  v11
Zack

#: 3255 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-May-90  21:59:08
Sb: #Help with Ramdisks?
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: ALL
I need some help!!!
I want to install a second ramdisk drive called /r1. I am using the Dev Pack
DDs. I tried patching a copy of one of the with a drive number of $01 in offset
$13, and changing offset $22 (which is the 0 of device name /r0) to a $B1 to
change it to /r1. (Umm, those should be /R0 and /R1). But when I include this
new module in a bootlist and gen it, things work very strange. I have two
devices (apparently) /r0 amd /r1, they appear to be the SAME device. If I dsave
some files into /r0, and the do a dir of /r0 and /r1 the files show up in both
volumes! What am I doing wrong???
Zack
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#: 3263 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-May-90  02:03:47
Sb: #3255-#Help with Ramdisks?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Zack - I would suspect that it ignores drive numbers.
Do this instead: change the ADDRESS of the device (and the name). Adding one to
the address in the descriptor should be sufficient to make OS9 recog it as a
different device.
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#: 3275 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-May-90  15:09:47
Sb: #3263-#Help with Ramdisks?
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Hmm, change the ADDRESS? Well, looking at my Tech Ref on page 5-9, RBF Type
Descriptor Module, I see no reference to an ADDRESS. What be you talkin bout?
Zack
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#: 3277 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-May-90  17:25:36
Sb: #3275-#Help with Ramdisks?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Zack - the address is where the device is located... usually a fake one for
ramdisks. In my book check page 7-2-5: the address is at offset $0E,$0F and $10
in a descriptor module. Under L-II, it'll start with $07Fx, usually. the byte
at offset $10 is the one you'd increment by one.
Or, in your tech ref manual page 5-9, bytes $0-11 are marked as "standard
device descriptor module header". So looking for that, we find page 4-17 which
has the layout. - kev
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#: 3279 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-May-90  18:42:37
Sb: #3277-Help with Ramdisks?
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Ahhh, found it. Thanks, Kev.

#: 3280 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-May-90  21:36:29
Sb: #3277-#Help with Ramdisks?
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev,
You're ramdisk DD has the value $07FFE0 at location $0e.  But ALL of the Dev
pack DDs have all zeros in that location! What should I do? I need to use the
Dev Pack ramdisk cuz I will soon be installing my 1meg upgrade.
Thanks!
Zack
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#: 3281 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-May-90  00:06:01
Sb: #3280-#Help with Ramdisks?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Zack, just take one of them and change the address from $000000 to $000001.
That should do it. Either $7FFxxx or $000xxx should be safe addresses.
 - kev
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#: 3282 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-May-90  10:01:46
Sb: #3281-Help with Ramdisks?
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
I tried that (sorry I forget to mention that). When I tried to write to the the
device, the process attempting the write would "hang". For instance, I tried to
edit a file in the ramdisk, and when I told the editor (VED) to exit and write
out the file, it just blinked "Working" for several minutes and didn't actually
write out anything! This is getting frustrating!
Zack

#: 3283 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-May-90  10:39:35
Sb: #3219-#t3 help
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
Everett,
Haven't we covered this somewhere?  <hmmm...maybe not>
Here's what I'd do:
Use the CoCo that has the hard drives as the host system. Install tsmon and a
login package with the /dd/sys/password file.
Set up a terminal program (sterm will work nicely) on the other CoCo.
Run a null modem (cable with the xmit and recv lines swapped) to the rs232 port
on the  host and you should be set.
If you don't want to mess with tsmon et al, then a line on the host like this;
 shell i=/t2&
should plop a shell on that port. You'll still need the null cable and terminal
program.
You might want to check out SERIAL.TXT in the libs here for more details. I
think it's in DL1.
Steve
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#: 3298 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-May-90  16:46:04
Sb: #3283-#t3 help
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
This is good but i have a t2 allready , Need a t3!
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#: 3304 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-May-90  09:46:09
Sb: #3298-#t3 help
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
Everett,
I'm soooooooo confused!  ;-)
You say you have only _2_ RS233paks .. one on each computer, jes?
If this is the case, then they both can be using the /t2 descriptor ...one on
each computer. No conflict.
On the other hnd, if I've dropped a few bits along the wy, and you're using the
2 paks on one computer, then yes... you'll need a /t3 descriptor.
I't's a bit involved, but really rather simple to accomplish. /t2 and /t3 are
idntical _except_ for the address and name. You can use a utility such as dEd
to make those changes.
The only other concern would be modifying the packs to be addressed
differently.
Everett, I'm purposly being vague untill I've understood exactly what you're
trying to accomplish. No need muddying the waaters even more than they are now!
:-D
Steve
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#: 3340 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-May-90  01:54:45
Sb: #3304-#t3 help
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
yes steve thats it i have 2 paks on one computer. need to know how to alter the
pack & the program (useing ded) can you help?
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#: 3348 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-May-90  18:42:44
Sb: #3340-t3 help
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
Everett,
It's not for the faint at heart, but details on the pak modification can be
found in LIB 10 called MPI232.TXT.
The changes to the descriptor would be adjusting the address as well as the
name (/t2 to /t3 setting the high order bit).
Read the file and if you decide to attempt the hack to the pak... I'll be glad
to look up the values to change in the descriptor.
Steve

#: 3342 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-May-90  02:02:03
Sb: #3298-t3 help
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
~ I've been following this thread for a few days.  What gives? <grin>  How many
serial ports are you running?  And in what slots?  Why do you need a /t3?  is
that for a second RS-232 pak?  If so, has the second pak been re-addressed? It
seems you just want to be frustrated.  Everyone is trying to give you some
help, but you don't seem to be taking it that way!  Just 'snippy' responses
like, "It don't work" and "I can't get the Dev-Pak", etc.  So, in more than one
phrase, please tell us what you are trying to do and how your system is setup
HARDWARE wise.  Then, and ONLY then, can any of us give you a hand.
Before you reply to this message, capture it, (Save it to disk), read it
OFFLINE, Then THINK about what you need and describe in *detail* WHAT you are
trying to do.  All the answers given so far should have gotten you going, BASED
ON THE INFORMATION YOU PROVIDED!!!  We all would like to see you get setup the
way you want.  Just be clear in your needs.
Please don't take this message wrong.  I know how frustrating things can be,
but with a little COMMUNICATION and PATIENCE, you'll be set up in no time.
Mike

#: 3286 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-May-90  12:00:51
Sb: #Second Ramdisk solved
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Kevin Darling
Kev,
OK, I figured out this second ramdisk problem though a process of trial and
error. What I was doing wrong was that I was also patching the IT.DRV field
("Drive Number" @ $13) from a $00 to a $01. That appears to have been a no-no.
Leaving it a $00, patching $10 to a $01 and the drive name to /r1 (with upper
bit in 1 turned on, of course!) does the trick. FYI, one iteration involved
changing the Address field in the header to the value you use in your r0 dd in
drive /r0 and added one for /r1. That worked too! Wonder why the Dev Pack
ramdisk dd are all zeros in the address field?
Zack
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#: 3300 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-May-90  22:35:48
Sb: #3286-Second Ramdisk solved
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Zack - good. It *had* to work <grin>. Interesting about the drive number
screwing things up tho.
Just about any address should work, tho of course our L-II needs either $000xxx
or $7FFxxx as the beginning of the address (to keep from using up an 8K block
in system map for "mapping in I/O"... which we ain't got!).
Both of those address ranges translate out to blocks 00 or 3F... which of
course are always already mapped into the system map (see pmap output).
 - kev e/x

#: 3302 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-May-90  23:47:19
Sb: #Internals question
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: ALL
One thing has been bugging me. Where do REL, Boot, and OS9p1 come from? I know
that they are not in my OS9Boot file. An ident tells me that, for certain. I
know that they come from track 34 on the boot disk, but HOW DO THEY GET THERE?
I build a boot disk with an os9gen command, but REL, Boot, and OS9p1 are not in
my bootlist file, and they are not modules in my module directory. So, WHERE DO
THEY COME FROM?!?!?!?
Zack
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#: 3303 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-May-90  00:35:34
Sb: #3302-Internals question
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Zack - os9gen and cobbler steal the kernel modules (rel/boot/os9p1) from
memory.
So if you accidentally trash part of one of those modules, the os9gen will then
carry on that bad module thru generations of bootdisks... easy to spot this if
it happens tho: one of the modules won't show up in MDIR.
Easy fix too: just boot with a GOOD bootdisk, and then do another os9gen...
which'll take the good modules from memory again. - kev

#: 3309 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-May-90  16:19:39
Sb: #Fastgraf / Bounce.ar
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Kevin Darling
Kevin
Hi. It's been a long time since I have logged on. I have just relocated again,
and am just getting back to os-9. I have downloaded the fastgraf.ar patch
(thanx) and installed it succesfully. The increase in grafx speed was amazing.
I also downloaded th bouncing ball demo, but it will not run on MY system.
Whebn When I type load bounce.b09 from basic 09, it starts to load but
immediately comes up with error #034 , and is referring to a line that says err
on error goto 100. I looked up  the error code in the basic 09 section of the
LII manual and it says error #034 missing closing parenthesis. I looked all
through the code, but could not find the error. Oddly enough this exact same
version of bounce runs on a friends machine. I am not familiar with writing
programs in basic 09, only C, so there is a good chance I overlooked it. But it
does not explain why the same piece of code runs on another machine. Any
suggestions ???
Thanx.
TC
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#: 3335 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-May-90  21:18:21
Sb: #3309-Fastgraf / Bounce.ar
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
Hi Tony! Long time no see!
On bounce: I can't remember how much memory it needed, but I thought it was
only the default 8K. Hmmm... what does "mem" show you under basic09? Is it
possible that you're using the old L-I basic09 (defaults to 4K I think)?
kev

#: 3310 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-May-90  16:25:44
Sb: #New OS9 ?
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: ALL
I have just read in the latest edition of the os9 UG newsletter that Microware
has officially announced that they will no longer support level II. If that is
true, who is it that is / will be writing this new hot version for the COCO 3?
We have all seen fastgraf, right ? The impression I got is that fastgraf was
just a sample of what this new version could do. What about those rumours that
Dennis Skala has been talking about ? He supposedly saw all these fantastic
things running on a coco 3? SO I ask, If Microware isn't going to do it, who is
?????
TC
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#: 3324 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-May-90  20:15:53
Sb: #3310-New OS9 ?
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
How about 'a group of independent third parties' ?
You can beleieve the rumors ... I've seen some of the nifty stuff too.
Steve

#: 3329 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-May-90  20:38:53
Sb: #ROGUE HELP HELP HELP HLP
Fm: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042
To: ALL
 several    descripances with the docs on it. a. it doesnt tell you to backup
the disk to another nor give you the cmd to do so, does this harm the game,
something the writers put in to prevent piracy? b when i get to a certain level
7,8 or 9 the 'monsters' will "shut down" and become
 nothing more than "0's"- I can still find the stairway and go to the different
levels BUT the docs say that there are only26 levels yet I find under the above
problems getting to levels 29,30 ,31 and so on. c when the above problems start
to occur, I also can't pick up anything. d. The graphics come in great but they
are all Black & white , is this norm? any help on the above problems is great!
best regards wayne
ps on "a", i meant if i back it up under another os9 master disk, it seems that
the problems occur only under the backed version thus far.
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#: 3349 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-May-90  18:44:10
Sb: #3329-#ROGUE HELP HELP HELP HLP
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042 (X)
I've experienced the 0 problem myself.  I haven't seen the problem while using
the graphics, however.  And, yes, the graphics are supposed to be in black and
white.  Kind of makes you wonder why the graphics require 512k, huh?
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#: 3375 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-May-90  00:37:08
Sb: #3349-ROGUE HELP HELP HELP HLP
Fm: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
well floyd, i know that you can open a window under lvII OS9 with only 128k but
that didn't do much since it took up all the ram , just for the CMDS @ 128k so
probably it's along those lines. best, wayne

#: 3352 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-May-90  19:46:41
Sb: #OS-9 Startup
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: ALL
When I create a graphics window that is needed to run a particular program, I
do it from my startup procedure file so that the window is created
automatically when I boot the disk. So far, so good.
QUESTION: What command(s) can I put in the startup file so I don't have to
press the <CLEAR> key to open the window? In other words, I want the startup
file to open the window and display it on bootup. Also, I'd like to be able to
auto-exec a program FROM that window.
HELP ???!!!
Bob
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#: 3356 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-May-90  21:21:43
Sb: #3352-#OS-9 Startup
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)
There is nothing you can do in startup to change to a different window. You
will need to patch CC3Go to come in the other window. To auto start a program
at boot, put a copy of it in your CMDS directory with the name AutoEx and
you're good to go!
Zack
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#: 3366 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-May-90  20:57:15
Sb: #3356-OS-9 Startup
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Thanks very much for the info, Zack.
Bob

#: 3358 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-May-90  21:47:17
Sb: #3352-OS-9 Startup
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)
Bob,
It depends on exactly what you want. If you simply want to always run and goto
a certain program, why not just start up other shell windows in the background,
and then start the program on /term? Then you ain't gotta go nowhere <grin>.
Example:
 * ------------------------------------------------------------
 * Script to start a shell window in backgnd and change current
 * one to gfx window type 8... then start "program"
 shell i=/w&
 -t
 display 1b24
 display 1b20 8 0 0 28 18 1 0 2
 display 1b21 </1
 program </1
Now all that did was DWEND (1b24) the current window, DWSET (1b20..) it to a
type 8, SELECT (1b21) it to keep it, and start Program. The "</1" stuff is
needed because the standard input of a shell script file is of course, the
script file itself... so you needed to change stdin (<) to whatever window
stdout (/1) was.
<cont'd>

#: 3359 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-May-90  21:47:43
Sb: #3352-#OS-9 Startup
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)
<cont'd>
For the second example, let's instead start your gfx program on another window
and CLEAR to it... note that when you exit the program the window will go away:
 * ------------------------------------------------------------
 * Script to make 80x24 type 7 window and start a program in it.
 * Create the window, select it, begin program:
 (display 1b20 7 0 0 50 18 1 0 2 1b 21 </2; shell <>>/1&) >/w
Step by step: the (parenthesis)>/w  starts a subshell with paths like this:
  0 stdin  <  script
  1 stdout >  new window (/w)
  2 stderr >> whatever window you're on now
Now the subshell executes its internal line, which first does a DWSET and
SELECT with paths like this:
  0 stdin  <  whatever window you're on now (/2 = path 2)
  1 stdout >  new window
  2 stderr >> whatever window you're on now
Stdin had to be the current window or the SELECT won't work, y'see. Now we
finally fork the program we want (I just used "shell") with the rest of its
paths redirected to the new window:
  0 stdin  <  new window
  1 stdout >  new window
  2 sdterr >> new window
Kinda like an interlocking puzzle, but if you simply follow each path as you
change it, it's really not terribly hard. The key was to make sure only one
path (stdout) was opened to /w, and that this SINGLE path got duplicated via
the < and >> commands into the remaining paths as needed. - kev
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#: 3367 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-May-90  21:13:13
Sb: #3359-#OS-9 Startup
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Hi Kev, Thank you much for the info - it was, as you like to say, "Clear as
mud", but is now becoming a little clearer <half-grin>. There seems to be only
one problem with me using either one of those methods, in order for this
program to work, I have to merge stdfonts, stdptrs, & stdpats_4 with my type 7
gfx window before running the program.
How do I go about doing this????
By the way Kev, I did get my 512k upgrade (per last months discussions) and it
is working great. As you said, OS-9 runs beautifully when it has enough memory
to work with.
Thanx again,
Bob
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#: 3372 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-May-90  23:09:32
Sb: #3367-#OS-9 Startup
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)
Bob - the stdfonts etc need only be merged once, to any window device.
Do you boot to term.win or a term.vdg? If to a real window, just merge the
fonts/etc first and you're done.
If you boot to a vdg screen, just merge the fonts/etc to /W. That's it.
Glad you got the 512K! Really opens things up, eh? Yeah. - kev
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#: 3402 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-May-90  18:21:14
Sb: #3372-OS-9 Startup
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Thanks a million, Kev. It worked out great!!!!!!!!!!
Bob

#: 3362 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-May-90  19:15:47
Sb: #One Meg Tuning
Fm: Robert DeBolt 76417,2225
To:  76703,4227 (X)
Kev,
Well, I went and done it:  got the 1-meg upgrade from Disto. Friend of mine
installed it for me last evening.  The installation went great and I brougnt it
home and gen'ed a boot for it using the patched modules.
Everything seems to be OK except for DeskMate and Max9 using the hi-res mouse. 
DM is patched to use the HRM.  The cursor is erratic and jumps all over the
place and will eventually cause the system to crash.
Max9 comes up with the palette menu and when I click the mouse I get error
#189.
I tried a custom program Mike Haaland helped me with and the HRM werks fine
there.
The keyboard mouse works fine.
What's happening?
Bob
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#: 3376 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-May-90  00:51:43
Sb: #3362-One Meg Tuning
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Robert DeBolt 76417,2225 (X)
Bob -
Dunno. One thing people found out was that replacing the R22 jumper with a
variable resistor, would let you fine-tune things for your particular
Coco/GIME. Somewhere around 40 ohms seems to work for most.
Some CoCo's work fine as-is, it now turns out that some need the fine-tuning.
We shoulda expected this, I guess, knowing what we know about different
machines having sparklies, etc <sigh>.
I think later kits are going to include the variable resistor. I'd get your
friend to install one that you can try tuning with. Let me know how it goes!
best - kev

#: 3369 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-May-90  21:44:41
Sb: #tmode question
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: ALL
I have just noticed an apparent anomoly tonight. If I save a window module to a
disk file, then change the "pause" from off to on OR on to off, then save the
module again the two files are identical. No matter what tmode says the value
for pause is, the byte at offset $19 is ALWAYS a zero. Any ideas, anyone?
Zack
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#: 3373 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-May-90  23:10:48
Sb: #3369-#tmode question
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Tmode changes the working path. Xmode changes the actually descriptor... so use
it before saving out a module.
Uh. that should be "actual" not "actually". groan.
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#: 3380 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-May-90  17:08:42
Sb: #3373-#tmode question
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Umm, so does that imply that a SS.OPT SetStt call also only changes the working
descriptor, and not the actually <grin> descriptor?
Zack
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#: 3382 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-May-90  18:39:13
Sb: #3380-tmode question
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Righto. SS.Opt (which tmode does) only works on the Path Descriptor, which is
originally is set when created, from the Device Descriptor module.
You can imagine why this is... example: your terminal program uses SS.Opt to
turn off echo. You sure don't want this to be permanent and affect following
programs which might use the same window descriptor later. Same with disks etc.
A device descriptor describes the default settings and/or maximum capabilities
(like with DS80 drives) of a device. Path descriptors are concerned with
currently opened paths/files specific to processes.

#: 3386 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-May-90  19:21:15
Sb: #3369-#tmode question
Fm: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
~ Zack,
  I'm sure others have already answered, but there's no anomoly at all with
TMode.  TMode only affects the current path descriptor's options, which are
originally copied from the device descriptor's options.  If you want to change
the device descriptor's options, use XMode instead of TMode.
  Bruce
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#: 3391 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-May-90  21:57:28
Sb: #3386-tmode question
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273 (X)
I also found that an Overlay window inherits those originally copied options
instead of the current path options.
Zack

#: 3374 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-May-90  23:12:02
Sb: eliminator software
Fm: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273
To: All
Hi All,
  This is just a quick note to announce an updated version of my Eliminator
software.  Look for "ELIMSW.AR" in lib 10.  It contains an updated DACIA driver
that works properly with RIBBS, as well as an updated manual file.
  Bruce

#: 3381 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-May-90  18:11:42
Sb: #PhatomGraph
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: All
I just purchased PhantomGraph and am having some difficulties.  I followed the
instructions on saving out the sample "Camp Costs" graph.  But when I try to
OPEN it, the program can't find the file.  Is there a special extension that
PhatomGraph is looking for?
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#: 3390 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-May-90  21:55:51
Sb: #3381-#PhatomGraph
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
The documentation isn't quite explicit enough. I forget the exact sequencem,
but after entering the name you have to click INSIDE the dialog box to actually
save the graph.
Zack
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#: 3394 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-May-90  13:13:48
Sb: #3390-#PhatomGraph
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Yeah, I figured that out after I left the message.  I also found out that if
you run it in a 16 color window you have to have STDPATS_16 merged in.  Makes
sense, but it took me forever to figure out why I kept getting an undefined
buffer error when I ran it from my OS9 system but it would run fine from the
PhantomGraph disk.  I like the program, though.  It's fun to play around with.
There is 1 Reply.

#: 3397 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-May-90  15:51:56
Sb: #3394-#PhatomGraph
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
The only real problem Phantomgraph has is printing. If you use a DMP-105/6,
you'll need to patch the driver. I have the patch around somewhere, let me know
if you need it. Also, even when you have patched the driver, it takes it about
45 minutes to dump ONE graph!!
Zack
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#: 3418 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-May-90  16:06:46
Sb: #3397-PhatomGraph
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
I tried to print a graph on my Star NX1000 and what a mess!  Although I could
make out the graph (short of), it was so large and spread out.

#: 3388 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-May-90  21:02:18
Sb: #CoCo List
Fm: Randy Wilson 71561,756
To:  76703,4255 (X)
Steve,
   You said to yell if problems arose with the CoCo List. Well, I'm yellin'.
I've subscribed twice in the last ten days, and haven't heard a peep put of
LISTSERV. Is this normal behavior, or am I doing something wrong? BOth times I
copied the instructions to the letter, capslock and puncuation included.
Randy (being ignored by the outside world) Wilson
P.S. The times I subscribed were Sun. April 29(?) at 10pm, and Sat. May 5
     at about 6pm. Possible that LISTSERV only works 9 to 5 M-F???
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#: 3389 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-May-90  21:07:54
Sb: #3388-#CoCo List
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Randy Wilson 71561,756 (X)
Randy,
I've been getting my LISTSERV mail just fine. The traffic has dropped off quite
a bit (only had 7 messages when I logged on), but it's out there.
Did you get any acknowledgement from the LISTSERV when you subscribed?
Can you show us what exactly you sent ...and to what address?
Steve
There is 1 Reply.

#: 3403 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-May-90  18:50:38
Sb: #3389-#CoCo List
Fm: Randy Wilson 71561,756
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
Steve,
   No acknowledgement either time. I hand typed the message in both times.
Couldn't see a need to upload a file for one line. It went something like this:
  SUBSCRIBE COCO Randy Wilson
  /ex
  Send to:  >INTERNET:LISTSERV@puuc.bitnet
  Subject:  subscribe coco
I took it verbatum from the instructions. Do you have to REGISTER first?
While I have you, I've seen mention of Eplex mailboxs overflowing. I take
weekend trips that last up to five days. Will this present any problems with
the list??
Randy
There is 1 Reply.

#: 3409 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-May-90  21:47:53
Sb: #3403-#CoCo List
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Randy Wilson 71561,756 (X)
Hey SYSOP!!! You need to read the message this is a reply to. There is
obviously a file in the libs which has the wrong address for the COCO
Listserver on the BITNET. The address should be:
>INTERNET:LISTSERV@pucc.bitnet
                     ^
 This character -----+
is inadvertanly reported as a u, as in puuc. Hope this helps, Randy.
Zack
There is 1 Reply.

#: 3411 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-May-90  23:19:54
Sb: #3409-CoCo List
Fm: Randy Wilson 71561,756
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Zack,
    BINGO!! I just went thru the file again, and counted 15 pucc's, and 1 puuc.
Guess which one I was using as an example....
   I shoulda caught this one myself. Thanks!
   Randy

#: 3401 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-May-90  17:46:20
Sb: #3388-#CoCo List
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Randy Wilson 71561,756 (X)
Randy,
It very well could be that the LISTSERV was down at those times. Many of the
Bitnet lists run on university computers, and lots of those shut down on
weekends, especially sunday. As Steve mentioned, you should have received an
acknowledgement to your SUBSCRIBE command. Most of the Bitnet (and any other
Internet type nets) run in real time, but response times are some times
incredibly slow. So when you send your message to the list, it gets sent
immediately, but may takes hours to get there, depending on how long each
intermediate node hangs on to the message before it passes it on, or, in some
cases, an intermediate node is down and the message is held until that node is
back up again. Its also possible the message went into the twilight zone, never
to be seen again! (Seriously, internet "protocol" says that a message does not
have to be, and may not be, delivered to its destination and can be summarily
dumped at any point along the way).
Bill
There is 1 Reply.

#: 3404 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-May-90  18:50:49
Sb: #3401-CoCo List
Fm: Randy Wilson 71561,756
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
Bill,
   Ahhh, so my joke about business hours only just might be the case. I'll try
again tonight, or should I carry the puter to work and do it tommorrow?
Randy

#: 3395 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-May-90  14:03:40
Sb: Pictures Needed
Fm: Dale L. Puckett 71446,736
To: All
Here's a chance to put your picture -- or a friends -- in a history book!
We desperately need pictures of people using CoCo's.  We need to see people --
especially those who have pioneered unusual applications on their own in the
far corners of the world.
We need pictures of CoCo's being used by big corporations to do real work.
Don't forget, everyone loves pictures of children.  If you have a shot of your
son or daughter hard at work -- or play -- on your CoCo let us see it.
We also need pictures of gadgets that people dreamed up and hooked up to their
CoCo.
We need pictures of any gags people may have pulled ... at home or at
Rainbowfests ... or anywhere.  Anything that shows the important part the CoCo
played in American life.
If you have a picture ... funny or serious ... of you with someone famous ...
Kevin Darling, Marty Goodman, Wayne Day, etc.  Give us a chance to print it.
Or maybe, you have a picture of someone famous outside the CoCo community -- a
Mayor, Governor, Congressman, President, Actor, Author, etc. using your CoCo. 
We'd love to see it!
Please mail your pictures to our new Kansas address.  If you have any questions
... drop us a note here.  Or, write: Dale and Esther Puckett, 23440 West
Highway 54, Goddard, KS 67052 -- we're on the Yellow Brick Road.  Really!
If you want to call: 316-794-2347.  Or, leave us your number here and we'll try
to get back to you.
CoCo: An Affectionate History of the Tandy Color Computer is your book.  We
hope to hear from you soon.
Thanks!
Dale and Esther

#: 3396 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-May-90  15:39:59
Sb: Anecdotes Needed
Fm: Dale L. Puckett 71446,736
To: All
Here's a chance to be remembered in CoCo History!
We desperately need anecdotes and stories about the people who have kept the
Color Computer alive during the past 10 years for CoCo: An Affectionate History
of the Tandy Color Computer.  We would like to hear your story too!
If you remember any funny "CoCo" stories -- or serious stories for that matter
-- please share them with us.  We'll do our best to get them into print.  We
need pictures too.  See the related message in Section 10.
We would like to hear about the people you know who pioneered both usual and
unusal applications for their CoCo.  If you know anyone who has hooked up an
exotic gadget to their CoCo -- please send us a note describing it.
If you know someone who has an anecdote to share, please send us their name,
address and phone number.
If you witnessed any great gags at home or at a Rainbowfests, let us know what
happened.  Anything that shows the effect the CoCo had on American culture
should be recorded in this book.
If you have a story -- funny or serious -- about someone famous ... Kevin
Darling, Marty Goodman, Wayne Day, etc.  Give us a chance to print it.
Please E-Mail (preferred) your stories to us here.  Or, send them snail mail to
our new Kansas address:  Dale and Esther Puckett, 23440 West Highway 54,
Goddard, KS 67052 -- we're on the Yellow Brick Road.  Really!
If you have any questions ... drop us a note here.  If you want to call, the
number at the Emerald Castle is 316-794-2347.  If you leave us your number
here, we'll try to get back to you.
CoCo: An Affectionate History of the Tandy Color Computer is your story.  We
hope to hear from you soon.
Please Hurry!  We must have the first half of the book turned in to Falsoft by
the end of June ... the last half by the end of July!!!
Thanks!
Dale and Esther
Press <CR> !>

#: 3423 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-May-90  22:33:04
Sb: #3403-#CoCo List
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Randy Wilson 71561,756 (X)
Randy, I see you've spotted the typo with puuc vs pucc. That should fix you
right up.
Steve
There is 1 Reply.

#: 3436 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-May-90  20:11:02
Sb: #3423-#CoCo List
Fm: Randy Wilson 71561,756
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
Steve,
   Yah, it's dibbling in, now. Looks like it took about twelve hours to get
setup once I got the right address.
   Any comment on leaving my mailbox unattended with the list enabled?
Randy
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#: 3438 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-May-90  20:18:43
Sb: #3436-#CoCo List
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Randy Wilson 71561,756 (X)
Randy - if I'm going to be gone for more than a couple of days, I always resign
from the list, and sign back up when i return. But I'd ask the list about it,
as they may have implemented some form of protection lately. Maybe not.
Sometimes there are 20 msgs a day, and since your mailbox can only hold 50, two
days or so unattended will cause problems.
I have a thought tho. Maybe someone could AR up each week's mail and post it
here? Maybe two files, swapped every other week, or something. Hafta think
about it.
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#: 3483 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-May-90  08:54:30
Sb: #3438-#CoCo List
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin,
One other option is to request the latest weekly message archive file from the
list. Mosts lists maintain files, on a weekly basis, of all messages posted to
the list. It means you'd be a week or so behind, and requires sending a request
for the file each week, but would cut down on the number of messages. Now that
the CompuServe Mail file size limit is fairly large (not sure of exactly how
big) a weeks worth of messages shouldn't go past any file size limitations.
Bill
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#: 3486 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-May-90  09:51:52
Sb: #3483-CoCo List
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
Bill,
50 is the magic number of messages the Mailbox will hold before barfing. And
that's 50 messages regardless of size (so long as yu don't exceed the size
limits of 50K on ASCII or 512K on binaries).
Kind of neat thinking you can have 50 512K binary files waiting for you when
you log in! :-)
Steve

#: 3455 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-May-90  12:07:47
Sb: #3436-CoCo List
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Randy Wilson 71561,756 (X)
 > Any comment on leaving my mailbox unattended ...
Yeah .... don't. :-)
You'll risk the wrath of the list. The traffic has, at times, been heavy enough
that a CIS mailbox will fill to overflowing in about 2 days. At that point,
mail will start to bounce back to the list ... and to every other members's
mailbox. Not something you'd want your name associated with.
If you're gonna be unable to check in at least every other day, I'd
unsubscribe. You can pick up what you've missed (if you like) from the
archives.
Steve

#: 3424 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-May-90  22:34:54
Sb: #3409-#CoCo List
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
HEY ZACK!
Whacha shouting for? :-)
I took a peek at the file looking for occurances of puuc and came up empty.
There was a typo of this type when I first uploaded the file but that was fixed
long ago (mod date on the file tells me in January).
Can you point me to a line?
Steve
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#: 3428 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-May-90  09:19:51
Sb: #3424-#CoCo List
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
Apparently the person with the problem downloaded the file prior to it being
fixed? I had heard of others with the same problem, so I thought the file may
not have been fixed yet. Sorry for the shout. ;-)
Zack
There is 1 Reply.

#: 3430 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-May-90  10:58:35
Sb: #3428-#CoCo List
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Just razzin' you a bit, Zack .... most likely you're correct in that he had an
old copy of the file.
Steve
There is 1 Reply.

#: 3458 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-May-90  13:24:32
Sb: #3430-CoCo List
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
I gotcha, Steve! <grin>

#: 3437 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-May-90  20:11:19
Sb: #3424-#CoCo List
Fm: Randy Wilson 71561,756
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
Steve,
   Last mod date on my cclist.txt file is 89/12/29. Guess I got the old copy.
Randy
There is 1 Reply.

#: 3456 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-May-90  12:08:25
Sb: #3437-CoCo List
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Randy Wilson 71561,756 (X)
Ahh .. that explains the mystery, Randy. Sorry 'bout the confusion.
Steve

#: 3425 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-May-90  07:21:18
Sb: #3421-C arrays
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
OK, I got it Zack.  Thanks.

#: 3530 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-May-90  18:07:35
Sb: #3419-C arrays
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
Last call for cgfx.l erratia to be included in the LIB file.  cf. messages 3419
and 3421.

#: 3426 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-May-90  08:26:16
Sb: #3407-C arrays
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
Wow! And I thought what I wanted to do was complicated! Now I feel better, but
even more confused than I was before.
Bill

#: 3435 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-May-90  16:44:28
Sb: #3395-#Pictures Needed
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Dale L. Puckett 71446,736 (X)
Dale,
There are two customers of mine that use CoCos in unique applications. One
customer works at an internationally famous PR firm, where he uses the CoCo on
a TV monitor so that his Big BUck clients can keep track of which audio/video
studio is being used at what time.
The other client uses the CoCo 3 and Basic09 to produce printing quotes very
rapidly. He keeps a competitive edge with prices and with quick repsonses.
I'll see if I can get them to send photos!
Paul
There is 1 Reply.

#: 3552 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-May-90  01:03:35
Sb: #3435-Pictures Needed
Fm: Dale L. Puckett 71446,736
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
Paul,
Thanks,  How about the names and phone numbers.  Any chance?  Sounds worth a
mention.  Dale

#: 3439 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-May-90  22:13:08
Sb: #RS-DOS Shell
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: all
Has anyone written an RS-DOS shell (RS-DOS, the file-system transfer program,
not the operating system)?  If not, I am planning on writing one. Thanx.
There is 1 Reply.

#: 3447 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-May-90  09:28:26
Sb: #3439-#RS-DOS Shell
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Joseph,
   Check out the program RSDOS.AR in Lib 10. It runs under OS9, and will
transfer back and forth, files between OS9 and RS-DOS files.
   Dan
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#: 3487 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-May-90  16:23:21
Sb: #3447-RS-DOS Shell
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)
No, no, no, I already have RSDOS.  What I am talking about is a SHELL... ie, a
friendly little GUI shell that does all the dirty work for you... you know,
click on a few icons, input a name or two, click on an OK button, and pop! you
see a directory of an RS-DOS disk, or transfer a file, etc.  That's what I
mean.  Looks like I'll write one.

#: 3441 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-May-90  01:07:26
Sb: #c-array initialization
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: all
Okay, time for my next "innocent 'C' question".
I would like to initialize an array of pointers so that each pointer points to
an array of values. For example, I can get the correct results by doing;
    char data[][3]={
       {1,2,3},
       {.....}
But this seems to be wasteful if the data are all constants. There is no need
for it to be transfered from the program area to the data area. I thought I
could do something like
    char *data[][4]={}
But of course, this sets up a double array of pointers. Not what I want. I
simply want a pointer to data[0][0], a second pointer to data[1][0], etc. Heck,
I'd even settle for a single dimensioned array with a pointer pointing to the
start of the whole mess. What I can't figure is how to define the data. It can
be done with strings...but what about values?
There is 1 Reply.

#: 3445 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-May-90  09:25:03
Sb: #3441-#c-array initialization
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
If I understand you correctly, what you're trying to do is set up a large look
up table of constants and you don't want to waste run time and/or memory by
setting it up in data memory.  One way to do this is to employ a stand alone
data module which you access via modlink().  This requires a separate program
to generate the memory module which you then merge with your object program.  I
uploaded a file, DATGEN.AR, to LIB 3 a few months back showing how this can be
done.  Have a look at this file and see if you can apply it to your problem.
There is 1 Reply.

#: 3505 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-May-90  01:03:53
Sb: #3445-#c-array initialization
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
Bruce,
Yes, you're right on in what I am trying to do. I had considered data modules
before, but with the richness of C it seemed that there had to a simpler way.
After all,
    char *foo="this is text"
does NOT force "this is a text" to the data area. All I need to do is to
substitute integer values for the string. But how?
BTW, I want to use this data to intialize some GET/PUT buffers. I guess another
way to do it would be to have the data in a file and send that to the buffers,
but having it all in the program makes things nice and clean. I got your datgen
file. I've not had a change to digest it yet, but it seems quite useful. You do
mention somewhere that data modules should be treated as ROM. Hmmm? I recall in
"The Rainbow OS9 ...." that they used data modules to store variable data.
Also, they can be used for interprocess communication. Don't really see why
not. Comments?
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#: 3512 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-May-90  17:56:15
Sb: #3505-#c-array initialization
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
String literals are the only type of data that are left in the program area. I
believe the ANSI enhancement of C adds the specifier 'const' which would allow
other types of data to be handled in that way.  With standard C everything is
copied into the data area.
Reading the data in from a disk file has much to say for it.  If all you're
doing is plugging it once into GP buffers there's no reason to have a second
copy of the data in memory at all.  The down side is that you always have to
worry that the data file is where the program expects it to be. It is cleaner
to have it loaded in along with the program.  If you have enough memory left
over in your last 8K block of program memory for a data module then you don't
even waste any memory.
You can use a data module as variable memory as you described.  You just have
to be sure to update the module's CRC if you want OS9 to link to it again.  In
my opinion, however, this is bad practice since modifying a data module makes
the program non-reentrant.  Say a program modifies a data module and you then
go to another window and start the same program as a second process.  If the
first process didn't update the CRC, the second process can't link to the data
module.  If the CRC has been updated, the second process begins with a modified
data module rather than with it de-novo.  If both processes continue to modify
the data module to their own ends chaos can ensue.
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#: 3513 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-May-90  18:10:15
Sb: #3512-#c-array initialization
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
Once a module has been loaded, the CRC isn't checked again. So the only time
you'd have to update the CRC would be just before saving out the data module
(or before loading it from disk again)... if such need arises.
Just wanted to throw that in, in case it changes your approach to using data
modules. - kev
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#: 3514 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-May-90  19:41:07
Sb: #3513-#c-array initialization
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin,
     The CRC is checked if a program requests a link to the module as with a C
modlink() call.  This would occur if a second incarnation of the program were
started up as a new process.
There is 1 Reply.

#: 3519 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-May-90  20:53:52
Sb: #3514-c-array initialization
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
Really? Modlink() checks a module's CRC? I wonder why. Sure about that?
 curious - kev

#: 3515 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-May-90  20:18:15
Sb: #3513-#c-array initialization
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Woops, I take that back.  I checked it out and you're right, OS9 will link to a
module with a bad CRC.  You learn something new every day.
There is 1 Reply.

#: 3520 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-May-90  20:55:49
Sb: #3515-c-array initialization
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
Ooops. Okay, disregard my last question <grin>, too. Once a module is in
memory, os9 (and everyone else) assumes it must be good. CRC checks take a long
time, and the main reason for preloading is for speed. Glad to hear modlink()
doesn't recheck! thx - kev

#: 3450 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-May-90  11:01:48
Sb: #3324-#New OS9 ?
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
Sounds good to me, but when can we expect this new re-write for LII ?
tony
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#: 3457 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-May-90  12:10:56
Sb: #3450-New OS9 ?
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
I've been wondering the same thing myself. At this time, we can only keep our
ear to the ground.
Steve

#: 3451 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-May-90  11:19:03
Sb: #3335-#Fastgraf / Bounce.ar
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Hi kevin,
No, I'm not using the level 1 basic09, I didn't start using os-9 until LII came
along. But I still can appreciate all the work that you and the others have put
in to make os-9 a better environment. I can't imagine what using os-9 without
windows (/term only, and 32 characters at that) would be like. Talk about an
upgrade ! If I don't think I am running out of memory because when I installed
it on my friends' system, we started it up just like the  .doc file said to.
The only  difference between our systems )as far as I can remember) is that I
have a Disto 512k ramdisk and clock and printer card. My friend is using a B&B
host adapter and cllock. I also have the (original lock up prone) B&B host
adapter. Down on the software level, that means I have a different desciptor
and drive for my printer and clock, but I really don't think that has anything
to do with my problem. My system has had a number of wierd unexplainable
problems that fade in and out. I tried resolving them to a software problem
because it only happened under os9. But one problem finally showed up under
rsdos. Anyway I am in the process of re-flowing all the solder joints on that
cc3. I bought a new one last week since they were on sale foe $129 (still too
high), and Tandy said they would be dropping the cocos. This one doesn't have
the sparklie problem !
Speeking of the sparklie problem, when you install the disto 1 meg board, do
you actually get more SYSTEM memory as well. Several times I have run out of
memory, but by using smap pmap and some other programs, it looked as I was out
of system space, not user memory. Do the patches to os9 for the upgrade take
care of this ?
By the way, when can we expect to see the new os9 for the coco 3 ????
See ya soon.
TC
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#: 3464 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-May-90  16:50:30
Sb: #3451-Fastgraf / Bounce.ar
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
Nope, nothing cures the out of system-space problem. We're off-and-on looking
into moving more of the drivers/etc into other maps, the way grfdrv is now.
That's about all that can be done. Hmmm... well, and/or moving process
descriptors into other maps, which it's rumored someone did on his L-II system
years back. Never knew who that was, tho.

#: 3459 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-May-90  14:33:03
Sb: #IRQ hack
Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
To: sysop (X)
Hi:
Where can I find the stuff on the IRQ patch for the RS232 pak? A friend wants
to get his working. His system is locking up under OS9.
     >Lute<
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#: 3469 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-May-90  20:50:51
Sb: #3459-IRQ hack
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)
Lute,
Take a look at the file IRQHAK.TXT in LIB 10. That should get you going.
Steve

#: 3468 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-May-90  20:30:02
Sb: #3376-One Meg Tuning
Fm: Robert DeBolt 76417,2225
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev,
Thanks for the info.  My friend soldered in a couple of 150s which
nets out to 46 ohms.  Haven't had any trouble since.  Except, max9
still crashes the system.
Bob

#: 3500 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-May-90  22:07:55
Sb: #3376-One Meg Tuning
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
I think you get much better luck at 1 Meg when you use a newer-version GIME
chip.  I had already upgraded mine, and had no trouble at all with the 1 Meg. 
However, I left my Hemphill 512 board's 100-ohm resistor in parallel with R22,
rather than shorting it out as per the manual. Also I left the two little
capacitors in there too. Maybe what's good for your current 512K board is best
for the 1 Meg.
PS:  Users with jittery mouse curosrs should take care not to route the mouse
"tail" near the monitor.  Same goes for disk ribbon cables.

#: 3492 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-May-90  20:24:13
Sb: #irq hack
Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
To:  76625,2273 (X)
Bruce:
I have a question for you. In the November 89 Rainbow Marty Goodman did an
article on the *CART interrupt. He mentions your name. Well I did the fix on my
machine, and a friend of mine would like me to do a hack on his machine.
The only snag is that he still uses ROM packs with his MPI. So what I was
wondering, is...
Could I just solder the Schottky diode on R2, run the wire over to a jack
installed in the Coco's case. Solder a wire on pin 8 of slot 1 of the MPI, put
a plug on it and plug them togeather?
That way it shouldn't interfear with the other slots, you have a direct IRQ
line, and if you need to remove the MPI you just unplug. Also if you change
RS232 packs, you don't have to break into the new one for your patch.
Will it work?
     >Lute<
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#: 3503 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-May-90  23:41:15
Sb: #3492-irq hack
Fm: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273
To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)
~ Lute,
  It sounds like it should work.  So long as you're careful, I don't see how it
could do any harm... so give it a try.
  Bruce
 PS:  This reply is in reference to your Schottky diode to R2 (in the CoCo 3),
wire to jack, jumper to jack on MPI, etc... question.

#: 3558 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-May-90  16:44:33
Sb: The Dungeon Depths
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: All
I forgot to include the font file in my Dungeon Depths archive.  If you have
experienced an error #216, then downloading this file will correct it.  It's
called gothic.fnt.  Sorry about the incovenience.

#: 3560 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-May-90  20:27:25
Sb: 2nd Hard Drive Help
Fm: JC Hoit 73127,2213
To: all
HELP! I am trying to put a second hard drive on my system and the system isn't
recognising the two drives separatly. (Both LED's come on and neither one knows
what to do.) I have the /h0 and /h1 set up. Seems that I don't know what I am
doing with the hardware configuration.
The equipment: B&B interface, WD1002S-WX2 controller, /H0 is a
               Miniscribe 3425, /H1 is a Seagate 213.
Is there something that has to be done with the 8-pin jumper on the Seagate?
How about the controller? Is there something I need to do with it? I am sure I
have the data cables correct.
Suggestion anyone?
JCH
Press <CR> !>

#: 3561 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-May-90  22:22:07
Sb: #3560-#2nd Hard Drive Help
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: JC Hoit 73127,2213 (X)
Nothing needs to be done with the controller, except that to make sure that you
have the data cables plugged onto the right headers. The drives do have a
jumper which needs to be moved, plus (and this may be key) there is a
"terminating resistor" mounted on each drive. This need to be removed from all
drives except the LAST drive, in your case, /h1.
Zack
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#: 3566 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-May-90  16:53:14
Sb: #3561-2nd Hard Drive Help
Fm: JC Hoit 73127,2213
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
I do have the data cables plugged in proper. I removed the terminating resistor
from /h0 with no noticable change. However, that jumper business on the drives
is what has me confused. I have no tech manual on these things and don't know
where the jumper needs to be. I have moved it to various locations with no
success. The drive that I need info on is the Seagate 213.
John

#: 3567 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-May-90  17:36:51
Sb: #Break key
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: ALL
Does anyone know how to trap the break key in a Basic09 procedure??
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#: 3568 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-May-90  17:54:52
Sb: #3567-Break key
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
Phil -
I believe you could set up an ON ERROR routine to catch it (either error 2 or
3)... Or, you could disable it altogether using TMODE, or more avdenturously
using SYSCALL.
Pete

#: 3569 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-May-90  17:57:58
Sb: Dungeon
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Floyd Resler
Floyd,
I can't get your dungeon program to work. It gets up to the symbols screit
aborts when I press the joystick button.
Also, you have RunB merged in there{_, I don't think you're allowed to do that!
Hugo

#: 3571 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-May-90  19:14:50
Sb: #3567-#Break key
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
Phil - as Pete said, an ON ERROR command will catch the Break key... but only
once the program is packed. Otherwise basic09 assumes you're stopping the
program run, which makes sense during testing.
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#: 3627 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-May-90  14:00:55
Sb: #3571-#Break key
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Thanks Kev--By the way how are things going for MM1 and Tomcat??
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#: 3631 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-May-90  17:04:35
Sb: #3627-Break key
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
They're both going okay, Phil. Slowly but surely <grin>.

#: 3626 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-May-90  13:59:09
Sb: #3568-#Break key
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Thanks for the reply Pete!!
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#: 3644 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-May-90  10:19:04
Sb: #3626-Break key
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
No problem Phil... let us know if you run into any obstacles.
Pete

#: 3573 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-May-90  21:14:13
Sb: #3566-#2nd Hard Drive Help
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: JC Hoit 73127,2213 (X)
You had to remove the terminating resistor, but you are right, you also need to
jumper it right also. I don't have a 213, I have a 225 and a 21-1, and they
both have a small jumper pad at the back. The come jumpered as drive 0, so I
just moved the jumper on the drive which was going to be /h1 over one position.
Zack
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#: 3575 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-May-90  21:58:04
Sb: #3573-#2nd Hard Drive Help
Fm: JC Hoit 73127,2213
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Something is still amiss. I did move that jumper over one spot. Played all
evening with different cable settings and jumper settings and whether the
terminating resistor was in /h0 or not. No success. I am beginning to think
that this controller is just what I want. It is a larger WD1002S-WX2. Maybe it
isn't 100% compatable. Only 97.3%.
JCH
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#: 3579 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-May-90  22:40:42
Sb: #3575-2nd Hard Drive Help
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: JC Hoit 73127,2213 (X)
Yeah, that might be it. WD controllers can be had for $50-$60. Good luck!
Zack

#: 3574 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-May-90  21:23:12
Sb: #3566-#2nd Hard Drive Help
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: JC Hoit 73127,2213 (X)
JC,
On the ST-213 drive there is a set of jumpers located next to the 34 pin edge
card connector.  The two pins (one on top of the other) right next to the
connector should already have a jumper between them.  This sets the drive up as
drive 0.  What you need to do is move that jumper one over to set it up as
drive 1.
As for the terminating resistors, it depends mostly on the controller and drive
combination whether or not any are needed.  About 6 or 7 years ago, most drive
controllers and drives needed one to be there at the end of the "chain". 
Nowadays, most controller/drive combinations really don't care.  The name
"terminating" resistor is misleading, much the same as it is on SCSI busses. 
They're really nothing more than pull-up resistors to insure, get this, that
the logic levels on the lines drop (yes, not rise) to 0.
If you follow the advise that most people give, that you need at least one on
the last drive, you can't go wrong.  I've never seen a situation where having
one caused problems...although I have seen situations where only one didn't
work right and two were needed.
BTW: Since you are going to have two hard drives, you might want to look into
getting my hard disk backup program in DL9.  It works pretty good as an
automatic backup utility from the "main" drive to the second on. If you also
have Pete's CRON utility, you can set it up to automatically do an incremental
backup of your /h0 drive to /h1 in the middle of the night.  It sure is nice to
know all your work is backed up for you.
Mark
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#: 3576 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-May-90  22:02:58
Sb: #3574-2nd Hard Drive Help
Fm: JC Hoit 73127,2213
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
Hi, Mark. The Miniscribe (/h0) barfs all over the place when I take the
resistor out. And it isn't changing my success one way or the other. I did move
the jumper over one. As I said in the message to Zack, I am suspecting the
controller being a little off beat. I am going to stop wasting my time on this
one and locate one that B&B suggests.
I will definitely try your HD utilities when I get this hardware straightened
out. I spotted it earlier and it looked interesting.
Thanx, JCH

#: 3582 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-May-90  09:25:52
Sb: #3307-#KingQuest/H0?
Fm: CRAIG WYNN 72125,466
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Terrific....I guess this takes care of the side 2 request that appear from time
to time.   Say I just picked up the Sub game that is on sale. Again I'am faced
with figuring out how to get it to run from my hard drive.  It appears it needs
some patching.  Are you familiar with this game as well?  I've got "ded" to
patch with.   On "sub' its got a /d0 which I've tried changing to /h0 with ded
but there seems to be more the needs to be done.  I guess it needs to be run
from a VGF screen right? thanks Craig
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#: 3583 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-May-90  09:47:57
Sb: #3582-KingQuest/H0?
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: CRAIG WYNN 72125,466 (X)
Sub Battle Simulator does indeed require a VDG window to run in. I don't
remember having to do any patching however. It's disk structure is a little
strange, though. Exactly what kind of problem are you haveing?
Zack

#: 3589 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-May-90  11:51:11
Sb: #3582-#KingQuest/H0?
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: CRAIG WYNN 72125,466 (X)
~ Craig;
  There's a file called GAMES.PAT in one of the libs with Kev's PPN on it that
tells how to run it (assuming you're talking about EPYX's Sub Battle).
  Basically, the file just says to use the commands from side 2 and ignore t2e
ones from side 1.
  Here's an edited script that I use for starting most of the games on my HD:
display c echo echo *                          Game selection echo *
---- --------echo * echo *                      1.  King's Quest III echo *
echo *                      2.  Sub Battle Simulation echo * prompt *
Select : var.0 if %0=1
    echo Starting King's Quest III...
    echo
    echo   Press (Clear) to play...
    xmode /w type=1;display c >/w
    chd /dd/games/kqiii
    chx /dd/games/kqiii/cmds
    (sierra <>>>/w;xmode /w type=80)& else if %0=2
    echo Starting Sub Battle...
    echo
    echo   Press (Clear) to play...
    xmode /w type=1;display c >/w
    chd /dd/games
    chx /dd/games/sub/cmds
    (ex sub <>>>/w;xmode /w type=80)& endif clrif
    See if this'll do it for you.
  ...Jim
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#: 3591 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-May-90  11:58:04
Sb: #3589-KingQuest/H0?
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
~
Craig;
 Ooops, shoulda stored it unformatted.
display c
echo
echo *                          Game selection
echo *                          ---- ------- -
echo *
echo *                      1.  King's Quest III
echo *
echo *                      2.  Sub Battle Simulation
echo *
prompt *                            Select :
var.0
if %0=1
    echo Starting King's Quest III...
    echo
    echo   Press (Clear) to play...
    xmode /w type=1;display c >/w
    chd /dd/games/kqiii
    chx /dd/games/kqiii/cmds
    (sierra <>>>/w;xmode /w type=80)&
else
if %0=2
    echo Starting Sub Battle...
    echo
    echo   Press (Clear) to play...
    xmode /w type=1;display c >/w 
    chd /dd/games
    chx /dd/games/sub/cmds
    (ex sub <>>>/w;xmode /w type=80)&
endif
clrif
  That should be better.
  ...Jim

#: 3593 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-May-90  12:32:20
Sb: #3417-C arrays
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Jeff Dege 76426,211 (X)
That's for darned sure--especially what with X3J11 going for "value preserving"
widening, while Harbison and Steele (and evidently various existing compilers)
going for "unsigned preserving" widening!

#: 3601 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-May-90  13:08:31
Sb: #3464-#Fastgraf / Bounce.ar
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Thanx for the info. But if I can't format a floppy in a 512k system with my
applications running, why would I (or anyone else) want to add another 512 and
still not be able to format a floppy, due to the fact that the system area was
depleted ?? My hats off to you, Tony, and all others for making the 512k add on
possible, but I can't see what good it is at the moment.
Tony
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#: 3611 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-May-90  23:00:47
Sb: #3601-Fastgraf / Bounce.ar
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
Tony,
For a long time now, I've simply formatted floppies when I cranked up the
system, or sometimes killed off a few shells until I could do a format. But
that's rare, because I mostly use the ramdisk and harddisk.
The extra 512K, while not helping with the format thing, does allow you to open
far more gfx windows and preload LOTS of program modules... besides having a
nice-sized ramdisk if you wish. This makes everything flow a lot easier. best -
kev

#: 3603 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-May-90  13:35:11
Sb: #Window Problems
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)
I am trying to modify my startup file so that it will start up some windows
before I start up multi-vue. This is so I can kill mult-vue, and still have
windows going. After I did the following iniz /w7 display 1b21 </1 >/w7 shell
i=/w7& my system hung up every time it executed the display 1b21 line. When I
start up my mv window I do the same thing, display 1b21 </1 >/w1 so I can see
MV start up, right after the window is created. Can anybody help me with this.
My goal is to create several windows before MV starts up, and be able to jump
(display 1b21) to each window before or after I start a shell in them (doesn't
matter to me) just so I can see them being created, and then jump into my  MV
window and continue as always. I can never seem to create windows easily. The
info in the Rainbow Guide to Level II doesn't seem to work without errors.
Thanx for the help
Tony
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#: 3608 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-May-90  21:38:57
Sb: #3603-Window Problems
Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
Tony:
I'm not really the guy to ask on this one, I use MultiVue very little. When I
do, I just let it start up off the disk, iniz windows as I use them.
On my LII system disk, I start up /term, /w1, /w2. This is all I ever use, so I
don't use up memory by keeping the other discriptors in memory. For them I just
use the "wcreate"
     wcreate /w1 -s=7 0 0 80 24 9 1 1
Or what ever, then shell i=/w1&. From what I understand, iniz should do about
the same thing, except give you the default windows.
You should maybe ask Kevin Darling, or Pete Lyall about this, I do a little
hacking, and patching, but let guys like them tell me what to do.
     >Lute<

#: 3622 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-May-90  09:04:09
Sb: #3603-#Window Problems
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
You need to do a DWSet to get your windows up and running.  Try:
 iniz w1
 display 1b 20 7 0 0 50 18 0 1 1 >/w1
 shell i=/w1&
Do not try to select the new window in the startup file as this will cause the
procedure to hang.  I think this is because the select causes the original
shell to loose the input file when standard input is reset to the keyboard of
the new window
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#: 3638 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-May-90  23:12:26
Sb: #3622-#Window Problems
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
Bruce,
We are trying (have been for a few years now) to get users to not iniz devices
using Level II, especially windows.  The reason is if they later close the
window (stop all processes running on it) and they don't deiniz it, the memory
for that window is kept by the system.  This could cause some real debugging
headaches later on if they run out of memory.
In your example (shown below):
 iniz w1
 display 1b 20 7 0 0 50 18 0 1 1 >/w1
 shell i=/w1&
the user is stuck with an immortal shell on /w1 and the window memory is locked
in until they specifically kill the shell and deiniz the window device. Your
example is fine tho, in that to send the display codes to the window and have
them "take", it either has to be iniz'ed or a path has to be opened to that
device.  A better way would be something like this:
 (display 1b 20 2 0 0 50 18 0 2 2;ex shell)<>>>/w&
This command starts a shell on the next available window, does the DWSET, and
then starts another shell.  Once the second shell is started, the first one
dies.  So, a path is be opened on the device the whole time and the DWSET
works.  As an added bonus, when the shell on that window dies, the window goes
away and the memory is returned.
If you wanted to, you can set this command line up in your execution directory
and call it "window" or something like that.  Then all you need to do is enter
that command and the window is created.  You can also do this to create
different types of windows, and call the commands "g80" or "g40" to make 80 and
40 columns graphics windows.
Mark
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#: 3641 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-May-90  00:12:31
Sb: #3638-Window Problems
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
I'm glad you brought that up (not hardcoding windows). Meant to do it. thx!

#: 3656 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-May-90  17:23:51
Sb: #3638-#Window Problems
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
Good point about the iniz.  If the window is iniz'd when you direct output to
it anyway, there's no need to do it explicitly.  Tony was trying to set up a
shell in a window from the MV startup file so an immortal shell is appropriate
I think.  Personally, I've set up an AIF to call up a shell in an 80 col
window.  That way I'm not locked into having a shell up if I don't need it.
While we're on the subject of deiniz, do you have any idea why it's so hard to
get rid of a ram disk (the one from the developement pac)?  It usually takes a
number of deiniz's to get the memory back.  To ease things I call a procedure
file having around 10 deiniz's.  This does the job but occassionally will cause
the system to hang.
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#: 3659 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-May-90  18:53:55
Sb: #3656-#Window Problems
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
Bruce - each time you use "/r0" in a pathname the "User Count" (see  output of
the DDir utility) goes up. A deiniz takes it down by one, so you gotta do it
until you hit zero users. Oops. dinnertime. later- kev
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#: 3703 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-May-90  17:45:21
Sb: #3659-#Window Problems
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
User count?  Is this the same as the link count?
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#: 3704 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-May-90  17:54:54
Sb: #3703-Window Problems
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
Bruce - no. Link count is what you see with an Mdir. That's the count of links
to a module.
The user count shown in Ddir (or Devs, if under OSK), is the count of "users"
of a particular device. It goes up when a file is opened, down when a file is
closed. However, at least under L-II it only goes upward (never down) when you
do a CHD or CHX using a device's name.
This count is used to figure out when a device's init/terminate routines should
be called (that is, on first use, and when last use ends).
The "iniz" and "deiniz" commands artificially inc/dec this count, just as
"link" and "unlink" do for modules.

#: 3664 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-May-90  22:03:08
Sb: #3656-Window Problems
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
Bruce,
You could do an immortal shell in the command line example I gave also. I
think, tho, that you would have to redirect the output to standard out since
you can't explicitly give the window device name.  Something like ";ex shell
i=/2"??  I never tried it.
On unlinking the ramdisk....Kevin gave you the reason.  There is a utility
floating around someplace in the data libraries called "unload".  All it does
is repeatedly call unlink until an error occurs.  This effectively unlinks any
module in memory, no matter how many link counts there are.
Mark

#: 3606 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-May-90  19:47:22
Sb: #Dynastar
Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
To: all
Can someone who's familar with Dynastar tell me what is wrong? I can't print a
file to my /p When DF is called, it gives a "error in printing detected, press
ESC" I have searched the manual for a clue but don't see it. My printer is set
up for autolinefeed. I have a Gemini SG10, out of the bit port at 9600 baud I
can exit DS and at the os9 prompt, list a file to the printer with no problem,
so the hardware seems to be correct. Thanks, Denise
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#: 3648 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-May-90  10:34:36
Sb: #3606-Dynastar
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
Denise -
I don't know which version of DS/DF you're using ... I use an early version
that was unbelieveably enough done in interpreted Pascal.
A few prelim questions first?
o - Does the printer work other than with DF?
o - Has DF ever worked?
o - Are you running one of the newer versions of DS/DF (written in C)?
o - What else are you running at the same time?
o - Try INIZ'ing your printer from your startup file also..
Pete

#: 3609 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-May-90  21:40:36
Sb: #Shell+
Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
To:  76703,4230 (X)
Pete,
Where can I find Shell+, and what will it do for me?
     >Lute<
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#: 3643 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-May-90  10:18:32
Sb: #3609-Shell+
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)
Lute,
I believe shell+ is here in either DL9 or DL10. It may be in Ipatch format
(i.e. patches to the original shell), in which case you'll also need the
'PATCH.AR' programs in either DL9 or 10.
Pete

#: 3649 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-May-90  10:37:06
Sb: #3609-Shell+
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)
Lute -
Shell plus also adds some enhanced scripting capabilities (very handy), as well
as separate CMD directories (an execution path option), as well as a host of
other conveniences that should have been in there from the beginning. A neat
tool. Wish I could run it on the Gimix (it's unfortunately Coco3 specific)...
Pete

#: 3616 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-May-90  01:25:21
Sb: #Selecting windows
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Kevin Darling
I have been trying to start up several windows outside of MV so I can kill MV
without having to kill my other procs. In my startup file I tried the following
iniz /w7 display 1b21 </1 >/w7 shell i=/w7 &
 I wanted to be able to see the windows as they are being created. I am using a
similar method to start up my MV window and that works. But when I try the
lines above, my system hangs when it executes the display 1b21 </1. I was told
this was necessary when you do a display 1b21 >/w# from a script, and it is not
needed on the cmd. line. Is this true ? Why did my startup file hang up on that
line ?
Thanx
TC
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#: 3633 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-May-90  20:18:35
Sb: #3616-Selecting windows
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
Tony,
Yes, you're right about using the </1, because a script file's standard input
is the script file itself. Selecting a new window won't work unless standard
input is reset to be a window... which is what the </1 does. Using our secret
decoder ring, we translate the "</1" as:
 "<"    - redirect standard input for the command...
 "/1"   - using whatever is now standard output
          (usually the window you're on now)
BTW, note that command lines are parsed from left to right. So the line
"display 1b21 >/w7 </1" wouldn't work. Can you see why? Popquiz Monday ;-).
You say that you want to have other windows started up other than Gshell. I
assume that you've had no problem starting up these other windows and shells,
but now (just to be fancy) want to see these new windows get started? Here's an
example method of doing that:
 iniz w7 w8
 display 1b21 </1  >/w7; echo WINDOW SEVEN >/w7
 display 1b21 </w7 >/w8; echo WINDOW EIGHT >/w8
 display 1b21 </w8
 t
 * NOW STARTING BACKGROUND PROCS
 shell i=/w7&
 mdir >/w8&
Notes:
 1. After you Select another window, you have to make it your std input in
order to cause another Select to take.
 2. You can't have a program waiting on input from the Window you're Selecting
or DeSelecting. Unless you want to wait your turn at input of course... and
that's one reason your script might hang. So start programs last.
 3. Your descriptors had better have been Wmode'd (WMODE.AR Lib 10) to default
as separate windows, or you'll hang. Term, W1, W4 and W7 come that way stock.
Or use wcreate or DWSET (1b20 etc etc) to set the window type on the fly).
Keep asking until things get clearer. Glad to help if possible! - kev

#: 3654 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-May-90  17:13:59
Sb: #Extra owend
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
I am listing the error trap section in a procedure I'm working on. The
procedure is called by another procedure which has some overlay windows. In the
for/next loop for error 2 and 3 it requires an additional "RUN gfx2("owend")"
or the windows in the calling procedure are out of sinc. Does anyone have any
idea why??
9 errno=ERR RUN gfx2("owset",1,12,10,60,3,0,2) RUN
gfx2("owset",1,10,9,60,3,2,0) RUN gfx2("curoff") IF errno=216 THEN PRINT PRINT
TAB(2); "THERE IS NO FILE IN THE CURRENT DIRECTORY WITH THAT NAME" FOR x=1 TO
30000 NEXT x ENDIF IF errno=2 OR errno=3 THEN PRINT PRINT TAB(8); "TEXT
FORMATTING INTERRUPTED" FOR x=1 TO 30000 NEXT x RUN gfx2("owend") ENDIF RUN
gfx2("curon") RUN gfx2("owend") RUN gfx2("owend") 10 END
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#: 3655 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-May-90  17:19:08
Sb: #3654-Extra owend
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
Phil -
Your message came out 'helped' by the CIS message formatter.... To save a
message like that (tabular format), best bet is to type POST UNFORMATTED or
'su' when saving it.
Also - a B09 guru I'm not.. Kev or others are a better choice, but I'll take a
look at it when it comes back in from you...
Pete

#: 3663 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-May-90  20:31:26
Sb: #3654-Extra owend
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
Phil - I assume the program is packed when you run it. An error 2 or 3 could
occur at any time while the program is running, but even so, I see no reason
why the overlays wouldn't work right....
Well ok, yes. If you had an extra overlay open and hit BREAK, then your error
routine needs to go back to the right spot. That's not easy to do, so how about
this: keep a variable which you pass around called "overlaycount" or something.
Maybe the error routine or your main routine could keep track that way?

#: 3683 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-May-90  12:29:57
Sb: #3552-Pictures Needed
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Dale L. Puckett 71446,736
Dale,
Sorry to be out of touch so long .... Give me a call and I'll give you what you
need.
Paul

#: 3716 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-May-90  22:48:21
Sb: #3633-#Selecting windows
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev I don't have problems starting window from Gshell (MV) except when I want
to kill mv and keep some windows going, I get a msg saying that some procs are
still running. Solution, start some windowsfrom my startup file. I now have 1
80*24, 2 80*12 (one over the other), and 2 40*24 windows come up when I boot
up, in addition to MV. I wanted to get fancy and show off my coco3/os9 by
jumping to each window after it was created and either display a picture or a
have a msg or something else neat being displayed. But I can't get that damn
display 1b21 to work. Keith Alphonso gave me some insight on how to get around
this, but I think I left it at my old residence! Anyway, what does wmode do ?
Do I need it. I seem to be able to create windows with wcreate ok, as well as
some of the utilities that Keith sells. I'm pretty sure I was able to do this
many moons ago when I was only into os9 lII about a year or so (yeah, like I'm
a real veteran now, right !), but it eludes me again. I assume that the 1b20's
accomplish the same thing as wcreate ????
I wish I could use my coco3 at work instead of a PC. Just think, I could have
windows (or a form of them) for about $200, and segment offsets to boot! What a
deal. Can't see how Intel ever swayed the industry with that knind of
architecture.
TC
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#: 3729 S10/Tandy CoCo
    23-May-90  00:29:33
Sb: #3716-Selecting windows
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
Tony,
Right, 1b20 xx's do the same thing as wcreate does (altho wcreate also iniz's
the window I think).
Wmode lets you set up all windows to default to 80x24, which is handy if you
like to start applications just by "program <>>>/w&", y'see.
I think with the latest info I gave you, you should be able to do what you
want, more or less. Not everything is possible with any windowing system. The
rules for us with the 1b21 Select code are fairly simple:
* For immediate visible change to take place, you must be running off the
current interactive window. This makes sense, as you wouldn't want any program
in the world to switch windows on you while you're typing or mousing... just
the ones which you yourself have chosen via the CLEAR key.
* Just as with any other char or escape code, you can't force Select past a
program which is already using that window. If you have Basic09 in W3, for
example, doing "display 1b21 >/w3" from another window will hang until you went
to W3 manually and hit ENTER a coupla times for basic09 to let the code make it
thru.
* Other rules. I'll go into detail later. I think the previous msg will help if
you study it some. Let me know what you figure out - kev

#: 3721 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-May-90  23:26:10
Sb: #3638-Window Problems
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
I like this idea about using /w instead of a specific window #. I'll hac [Dv
[Dhave to modify [Dmy proceuder files for that.
TONY

#: 3736 S10/Tandy CoCo
    23-May-90  12:12:22
Sb: #3663-Extra owend
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin, your suggestion is right on target!  That is exactly how I handle error
trapping in my programs that use overlays.  Then I just do a FOR/NEXT loop and
end each overlay.  Works rather well.
Floyd

#: 3746 S10/Tandy CoCo
    23-May-90  17:45:28
Sb: #3663-#Extra owend
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Hi Kev--There are other windows opened in the calling procedure which aren't
generated by this particular procedure. Both error 216 and (2and3) are caught
by the same trap. Yet when it's processed as 2and3 I need an extra owend. The
procedure is a utility to take text files and reformat them into two columns.
I'm almost done with it but I dont like leaving odd quirks like this in the
works. If you or anyone would like, I can send the source (unpolished), I just
didn't want to put it in the Library that way.
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#: 3748 S10/Tandy CoCo
    23-May-90  18:30:46
Sb: #3746-#Extra owend
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
Phil - so it always needs the extra owend with errors 2/3? I tried your snippet
of code here and all worked okay. So sure, AR up your source and email it to
me, and I'll take a quick look if you want.
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#: 3799 S10/Tandy CoCo
    25-May-90  17:31:06
Sb: #3748-Extra owend
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
thanks Kev--I'll ar09 it and send it to your E-MAIL

#: 3745 S10/Tandy CoCo
    23-May-90  17:38:13
Sb: #3655-Extra owend
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Sorry about that Pete!

#: 3805 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-May-90  00:55:46
Sb: #3606-Dynastar
Fm: Mike Stephenson 71655,415
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
~
You  may  want  to  download the file DYNAS.AR in  library  10.   It  was
uploaded by Rix Seacord and is a compilation of all DynaStar and DynaForm
errata.
It may answer your questions.
Best
Mike

#: 3810 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-May-90  03:27:07
Sb: #3729-#Selecting windows
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Thanx a bunch. I spent [D [D [Dabout 6 hours customizing my startup file trying
to get those damn windows working. I don't know what I did but I got it to
work. I have 4 windows come up out of startup, and also 1 for mv. The 1b21 for
the mv window seems to work, but not for the other windows. So I7ll live with
that until I can find out more about windowing. In addition to that I've
optimized my system for spedd. Sorry, about the typos, but I can't backspace
with osterm !!! look at the [[D's abouve. Thats what comes out when I hit the
backspavece key. Anyway I have had the disto ramdisk cartridge for over a year,
and I have only really used it to compile programs without ever accessing the
HD. (I can remeber whemn I used to compile off a two floppy drive system. Talk
about slow !!) Now I format it on startup, load it with cmds, apllications,
icons, aifs, and procs. MV is in high gear now. (Fastgraf helped a lot too !).
For some reason , when I start up osterm from th ramdrive, it comes up with an
unable to link to macro mesassage, and just sits there. But when I run it from
the HD, it is ok. Any ideas ?
Getting back to the original topic. (Sorry, but I had to blow my horn. I spen t
a lot of time trying to get the damn startup file e to finish executing. It
would just quit in the middle, soemtimes with an error sometimes not.) It
turned out that While I was using Window Wwriter, it left a control character
or teo two in there, and them buggers is invisible ! I usually have it strip
out all control codes, but maybe it left some anyway. I can see it now, the
compiler is gonna choke on th those control chars. Looks like I need to write a
filter program !
TC
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#: 3820 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-May-90  07:19:41
Sb: #3810-#Selecting windows
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
Gee, sounds like you've been hard at work! Kudos for not giving up... always
good when someone sticks with it AND finds the trouble <grin> to boot.
Nope, no idea on OSTerm and macros... are the macros copied over to /r0?
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#: 3830 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-May-90  12:14:24
Sb: #3820-#Selecting windows
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev, the only other files that osterm uses that I know of are the osterm.ddir ,
osterm.options, and another one for user defined macros. Whenever I start it up
(from the HD) it usually finds the first 2 files and I get a 216 error for the
macro files, because it doesn't exist (I haven't created any macros yest). This
is ok, because I have been using it like this for a while. Now since I put it
in the ramdrive, I get the "unable to link to macro "error. It seesm to me that
this is a module of some sort that it is looking for in memory (which it
probably yanked out of /h0/cmds, before), and now it can't find i it. But after
doing an mdir, while it is running, the only osterm related module in memory is
osterm itself. I'll try to get in touch with Vaughn.
TC
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#: 3842 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-May-90  15:57:28
Sb: #3830-#Selecting windows
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
OSTerm uses the following modules:
OSTerm
filepick
transfer
macro
autodial
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#: 3849 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-May-90  02:46:53
Sb: #3842-#Selecting windows
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Zack, Great. I found those files in my cmds directory. I forgot that they came
with osterm. Thats what happens when you have a huge cmds directory. I think I
should work on a new method of organizing my hard disk. Any suggestions !!
THANX TC
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#: 3859 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-May-90  10:42:00
Sb: #3849-#Selecting windows
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
While I was using OSTerm, I cranked it up this way:
1) chd to ramdisk
2) run the following procedure file:
copy /dd/sys/osterm.options osterm.options
load osterm
load filepick
load transfer
load macro
load autodial
osterm <>>>/1
unlink osterm file ick transfer macro autodial
del osterm.options
The procedure file was in my current CMDS directory with e attribute set.
I think Shell+ is also required to do that. (run a procedure file not in your
data dir)
Zack
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#: 3869 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-May-90  16:40:47
Sb: #3859-Selecting windows
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
Thanx Zack. I got osterm to work out of /r0. I just had my startup file copy
the other 4 files you mentioned. I didn't have to unlink any mod   ules cuz
there not in memory. Only osterm is. I have been having some other problems
(minor) with osterm, but I would rather talk to Vaughn about it person to
person. It takes too long to type them in in message form, here.
TC

#: 3827 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-May-90  10:28:42
Sb: #3810-Selecting windows
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
You just need to get a decent text editor, like VED.
Zack

#: 3834 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-May-90  12:37:20
Sb: #3810-#Selecting windows
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
~ TC;
  Just for curiosity's sake, why don't you compose your replies offline using
an editor, and then upload them?  It's a lot cheaper in most cases, and you
could then use your backspace key.  %-}
 ...Jim
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#: 3848 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-May-90  02:43:28
Sb: #3834-#Selecting windows
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
Great idea, but I don't know how to upload these messages. I assume they must
conform to some sort of standard. Can you tell me how to do that ? I figured
out why the backspace key was screwing up. I had osterm set to ansi graphics
mode instead of TTY. Now I can backspace ok. How would I know what my replies
would be unless I logged on and read the messages first. Is it actually better
to log on get your messages, log off write your replies, log back on and upload
them. Sseems like a lot of trouble but if will save me connect time i'll try
it. But, I do need some info on how to upload messages as well as files that
can be put in the libs for others to download. THANX TC
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#: 3863 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-May-90  11:10:24
Sb: #3848-Selecting windows
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
Tony,
There's a file in LIB 1 that will help you with  composing replies offline then
uploading them to the message base. Take a peek at FAST.DOC. You can use the
tips found there with any telcom program and editor/word processor.
Give a shout if you need some help.
Steve

#: 3865 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-May-90  14:14:51
Sb: #3848-#Selecting windows
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
~ Ahh, so!  Maybe I can help here Tony.
  You're using OSterm, if I remember the past msgs. in this thread, no?  I'm
not at all familiar with it, but I can tell you how to reply/upload in a
general way.
  Assuming you're logging on, capturing messages of interest, logging off and
reading them, what you.would do when you see a message you'd like to respond to
is this :
  Using an editor of some type or another (even Build is o.k.), for the first
line of the reply, enter 're' (or rep), a space, and the msg. nu ber you're
replying to.  The first line of this msg is 're 3848'.
  Type your reply/question/message.
  Type '/ex' or '/exit' in column #1 after your last line.
  Type 's' to store the message and let CIS rtformat it, 'su' to store it
exactly as you typed it, or 'pre' to preview it before it's stored either
formatted or unformatted.
  When you've got all your replies ready to go, log back in and at the forum
prompt '!', simply transmit each reply to CIS (CIS doesn't know that you're not
typing from the keyboard).  Be sure to use the ASCII transfer option.
  To upload to any of the libraries, go to the LIB you want to place your file
into and at the prompt type 'upl', and CIS will prompt you for the filename
which you then transmit. Next it'll ask you for KEYWORDS, a long description,
and I believe, a short description.
  Much harder to describe than actually do!
  There's a program in DL10 called 'View.ar' that I'm using now which allows
you to read your message file, print/save individual msgs., and reply to them
in a relatively simple fashion.
  Hope I've helped, but yell if anything's not clear.
  ...Jim
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#: 3873 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-May-90  16:50:43
Sb: #3865-Selecting windows
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
How are you using view.ar /?Online or off. I see what you are talking about i'm
just not sure I understand the mechanics of it TC

#: 3845 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-May-90  22:18:43
Sb: #3375-#ROGUE HELP HELP HELP HLP
Fm: Dotti Rhodes 76334,3212
To: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042
Excuse me -- I have the 128K Rogue game... have a lot of fun with it too! But I
can't seem to save my position! The machine whirrs and clicks and says "Unable
to save position on this disk" Am I suppsed to be using the master disk to save
positions? I'd hate to use the master disk if I didn't have to.. but I'm really
stuck -- HELP!
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#: 3856 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-May-90  08:06:28
Sb: #3845-ROGUE HELP HELP HELP HLP
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Dotti Rhodes 76334,3212
Could you give more details--the obvious first thing to check is whether you've
write-protected the disk.  (No offense intended--just trying to be thorough.) 
Tell us what sequence of events you go through, particularly inserting or
removing disks and chd or chx commands.

#: 3866 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-May-90  14:20:14
Sb: Move.ar
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: All
Just re-uploaded MOVE.AR to LIB10.  This is version 1.1 which is a bit more
user-friendly and has a few more options.  Source B09, binary and help file.
..Jim

#: 3875 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-May-90  17:30:41
Sb: View.ar
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: All
I just re-uploaded VIEW.AR to LIB10 with a couple of enhancements and fixes to
the 'reply' function.
Thi reply function now gives you the option of (S)tore formatted, store
(U)nformatted, (P)review, or (M)ail msg. to Eplex.
..Jim

#: 3877 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-May-90  17:32:02
Sb: Move.ar
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: All
Ooops,  I think that I included the wrong soudce and executable in the upload
to Move.ar this morning.
At any rate, I just re-submitted it with the correct modules. Sorry if I caused
anybody any inconvenience.
 ...Jim

#: 3878 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-May-90  17:53:21
Sb: #3873-Selecting windows
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)
~ Tony;
  When you log on and get to a point where you want to start 'reading'
messages, open your capture buffer and start reading nmn-stop. (You can set
your options at the top of the forum to read messages non-stop.)
  When you're done, log off, close your capture buffer, and either quit your
terminal program or switch screens.
  Now, call View using the filename that you saved the messages in: for example
if you called your message file for today txt0527, you would type
       OS9:View txt0527
The program will ask you if you want to use multip e save files, search for a
text string, and then proceed to display the messages one at a time.  You can
(F)ile them, (P)rint them, read the (N)ext one, (R)eply or (Q)uit.
  Read the doc file in the ar and if you have more questions after that, give a
shout.
  I average about 2 mins or less per day on-line @ 2400 baud (any more and my
wife would kill me!) for reading new messages and any replies that I transmit.
 ...Jim

#: 3887 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-May-90  01:30:29
Sb: #3845-ROGUE HELP HELP HELP HLP
Fm: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042
To: Dotti Rhodes 76334,3212
dotti- I haven't saved a game myself yet, I usally play them till I get killed
off, so I haven't "lived " long enough yet, ha! but seriously do you have ANY
version of os9? 1.2  or such? you can even run lvI I but after booting up use
'backup' command to make a double copy. you can do this even with one disk
drive, read the docs on it but leave me a note if you can't find out. level one
works ok on the 3 only 1.3 though. hope this helps . best, wayne laird

#: 3889 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-May-90  01:47:49
Sb: #3558-#The Dungeon Depths
Fm: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
floyd, got your game from alanta, ga and I'd like some help, I don't know a
whole lot about windows can you recommend how to open one for your game? and I
don't have/run multi-vue will the game run without it? I LOVE gauntelet! did
you program/teleport it? best, regards, wayne laird
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#: 3997 S10/Tandy CoCo
    30-May-90  12:08:27
Sb: #3889-The Dungeon Depths
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042
Actually, the only similarity between my game and Gauntelet is the basic theme
of running around mazes while you have a bird's eye view.  As far as setting up
the proper screen to run the game in, type this at an OS9 prompt:
   wcreate /w2 -s=8 0 0 40 24 1 0 0 ; depths <>>>/w2& You may have to use a
different window that /w2.  Have fun!
Floyd

#: 3891 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-May-90  01:56:12
Sb: #3558-#The Dungeon Depths
Fm: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
one more thing floyd, I can't find your font file anywhere which library did
you upload it to? -w.
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#: 3998 S10/Tandy CoCo
    30-May-90  12:10:18
Sb: #3891-The Dungeon Depths
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042
It may have been deleted by the Sysop.  I re-uploaded the game with all the
files.  If you like, you can either download the game again or download the
font archive (I think I got it from here).  I used the gothic font found in
that archive.
Floyd

#: 3926 S10/Tandy CoCo
    29-May-90  06:49:12
Sb: #CBUG File in LIB10
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: All
Anyone who missed out on the "Great C Compiler Array Bug" debate, can now find
the captured thread in LIB 10. Happy reading!
(What I want to know...is who won??? <grin>)
  Dan
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#: 4027 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-May-90  16:53:27
Sb: #3926-CBUG File in LIB10
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)
Dan,
Beats me! <grin> I think the (more or less) final outcome was that if you
specify and access an array (as an argument to a function) in one particular
way, it works, but that there are some other, widely excepted, alternative ways
of coding that should work, but don't.
I learned a lot from that thread, mainly that there really is no such thing as
an array in C, but I'm still confused about all the many different ways to
define and access (so called) arrays and pointers in C.
Bill

#: 4003 S10/Tandy CoCo
    30-May-90  17:38:23
Sb: #SCF files
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: All
Hi Guys---When you open a sequential access file what's the best way to get the
file pointer to the end so that you can append it. When I open and write, I
over write the existing info. I haven't done much work with SCF files.
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#: 4006 S10/Tandy CoCo
    30-May-90  19:19:35
Sb: #4003-#SCF files
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
You can sequentially read an RBF file, of course...for SCF it doesn't make
sense to talk about seeking to the end!  The simplest way to do what you want
is via the SS_SIZE getstat call, which will tell you the current file length.
Once you have that, seek to that position, and you're all set.  (If you're
using C and have Carl Kreider's library, look in the docs for _gs_size().)
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#: 4028 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-May-90  17:05:36
Sb: #4006-SCF files
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Thanks James--I haven't used syscall in programming because I dont understand
it thoroughly but I'll give it a try.

#: 4011 S10/Tandy CoCo
    30-May-90  21:48:30
Sb: #4003-#SCF files
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
Phil -
Just do a getstt to determine the file's size, and then do an I$seek to that
point. If you're working in C, it's wayyyy easier: just open the file for
append (i.e. fopen("filename", "a").
Pete
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#: 4029 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-May-90  17:08:25
Sb: #4011-SCF files
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Hi Pete--Like I told James, I'll give it a try. I never really found a good
tutoral on syscall and I haven't used it much. Thanks for the reply.

#: 4045 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Jun-90  09:20:18
Sb: #4003-#SCF files
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
~
Phil;
  I asked the same question quite a while back, and both Kev and Dave sent me
this subroutine that I use to seek to the end and append :
 DIM path:BYTE; fsize:REAL
 TYPE regs=cc,a,b,dp:BYTE; x,y,u:INTEGER
 DIM register:regs
 DIM callcode:BYTE
 DIM xconv,uconv:REAL
 (* filesize subroutine - courtesy K. Darling & D. Jenkins
 70 ON ERROR GOTO 80 \(* open the file  or append, but be ready for no file
 OPEN #path,filenam:UPDATE
 register.a:=path
 register.b:=2
 callcode:=$8D
 RUN syscall(callcode,register)
 xconv=register.x
 IF xconv<0 THEN xconv=xconv+65536. \ ENDIF 
 uconv=register.u
 IF uconv<0 THEN uconv=uconv+65536. \ ENDIF 
 fsize=xconv*65536.+uconv
 SEEK #path,fsize
 RETURN 
 80 (* Need to create initial file
 errnum=ERR
 ON ERROR 
 IF errnum=216 THEN 
   CREATE #path,filenam:WRITE
   RETURN 
 ELSE
   IF errnum>0 THEN 
     PRINT " Unexpected error - "; errnum \ END 
   ENDIF 
 ENDIF 
  This should do it for you.
 ...Jim
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#: 4052 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Jun-90  18:22:08
Sb: #4045-SCF files
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
Thanks for the info Jim--it helps to put the puzzle together!

#: 4030 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-May-90  18:29:40
Sb: #Syscall
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Hi James--I went back to my trusty Tech Ref. and I cant find ss_size. All I can
find is ss.siz which it says works only with RBF. Also I dont understand what I
would seek the size of after using syscall. Seek size(#path) seek size(syscall)
seek size(?). After bouncing back and forth between the tech ref and Basic09
pages, I still dont understand fully how to use the syscall syntax. I would
appreciate any help you could give me.     Phil
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#: 4031 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-May-90  19:13:19
Sb: #4030-#Syscall
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
My mistake on the name; I'm sure ss.siz is what you want.  OK--here's the poop
on syscall:
syscall is a direct hook to OS-9 system calls.  If you take a gander at the
Technical Manual, you'll see that the interface to the system calls is defined
in terms of what the registers of the 6809 contain when you make the call and
what they contain when the kernel gets back to you, right?  OK--the interface
for the BASIC09 procedure syscall (and, for that matter, the C routine _os9())
is defined the same way--there's a TYPE statement that you should use that has
fields defined that correspond precisely to the registers of the 6809, and you
assign to the appropriate fields what you want to hand to the system call in
accordance with the input parameters specified in the manual page for that
system call.  After the procedure is run, the variable you passed as a
parameter has its fields modified to reflect exactly what comes back from the
system call. The fields that correspond to the registers contain just what the
registers had in them coming back from the system call.
In this particular case, you have to do something perhaps a little
counterintuitive, because the length of a file can be up to 2**32 bytes, which
is too big to fit in a BASIC09 INTEGER variable.  The length comes back from
the system call with the least-significant 16 bits in one register, and the
mostsignificant 16 bits in another.  To get the right length, you need to do
something like "65536.0*regs.x+regs.y" to force the calculation to be done in
floating-point arithmetic.  So you'd say "SEEK #path,65536.0*regs.x+regs.y" to
get to the end of the file open on path.
There should be a tutorial that gives all the gory details of syscall, probably
better than I've done here, and probably with examples, which I'd say would be
very appropriate at this point.  Wander over to the DL areas and browse--or
maybe someone here will pipe up with the proper file name and area (eh eh,
nudge nudge! :-).
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#: 4050 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Jun-90  18:17:39
Sb: #4031-#Syscall
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Hey Thanks a lot James--I think you're right, we need a tutoral on syscall.
There is 1 Reply.

#: 4067 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Jun-90  21:39:59
Sb: #4050-#Syscall
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
I thought Kevin Darling uploaded a SYSCALL tutorial, at least he was
threatening to. Bug him about it!
Zack
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#: 4073 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Jun-90  07:57:04
Sb: #4067-#Syscall
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Hi Zack--I didn't know that he did it yet. He said he was going to. I know that
in OS9 the system eventually gives CPU time to everything no matter what its'
priority is <GRIN> so I just wait!!.
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#: 4074 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Jun-90  09:16:16
Sb: #4073-#Syscall
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
Phil,
   Kev indeed uploaded a SYSCALL tutorial. It's located in LIB 2.
   Scoot up there and type: BRO /KEY=SYSCALL
   Dan
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#: 4093 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Jun-90  17:03:47
Sb: #4074-Syscall
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)
Thanks Dan--I'll do that!!

#: 4079 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Jun-90  11:49:17
Sb: #4073-#Syscall
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
Best way to get Kev to do something he has already promised to do is to BUG
him! Post him a message!
Zack
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#: 4094 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Jun-90  17:04:49
Sb: #4079-Syscall
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Hi Zack--I was just told that he did. I'm going to get it!

#: 4082 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Jun-90  17:42:28
Sb: #4073-#Syscall
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
~ Phil;
  The subroutine that I sent you got a bit munged - the DIM line for xconv and
uconv should have read :
  DIM xconv,uconv:REAL
  Other than that, it came through O.K.
 re: syscall tutorial
  Look in LIB 1, I believe (tutorials) for either SYSCAL.TXT or SYSCAL.DOC with
Kev's PPN on it.
 ...Jim
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#: 4095 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Jun-90  17:08:17
Sb: #4082-Syscall
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
Hi Jim--I used your program lines and they worked just fine. I'm almost done
with my program and I'll send it up. Thanks to you and everyone who helped!!

#: 4047 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Jun-90  11:40:07
Sb: #4030-#Syscall
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
Phil -
There seem to be a few conceptual problems here as well. RBF type files are the
only files that you _can_ seek to the end of (disk files).... SCF (/term, /p,
etc.) type files HAVE NO EOF, until you present an EOF character to them, which
usually closes the path. Same goes for pipes. SS.siz, SS.size -probably just
typos.
Pete
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#: 4051 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Jun-90  18:20:10
Sb: #4047-Syscall
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Thanks for the reply Pete!!

#: 4083 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Jun-90  17:42:33
Sb: #VIEW feedback
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X)
Bruce;
  I'm in the process of (again) updating View, and would like to solicit
comments/suggestions for the next version from the users.
  So far, I've taken out the DATA help text and put it in an external file,
grouped all replies into one file for TRANSmission to CIS, added a 'B'ack up
command to back up to the previous message, and other minor cleanup.
  Is there anything that you've got a hankerin' for that's missing?
..Jim
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#: 4104 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Jun-90  23:15:11
Sb: #4083-VIEW feedback
Fm: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
~ Jim,
  I can't think of any other goodies to add to View, except maybe a quoting
feature if thats possible.  If you've ever used some of the newer BBSes,
particularly OPUS types, and RiBBS, they have a feature that allows you to
quote lines from the original message in your reply.  When used sparingly the
quotes can make a reply much more informative.
  Bruce

#: 4084 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Jun-90  17:44:39
Sb: #VIEW feedback
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)
Mike;
  See message to Bruce above.  Comments? Wishes?
..Jim
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#: 4120 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Jun-90  01:03:14
Sb: #4084-VIEW feedback
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
~ That just about covers everything I can think of.  Except in the editor, it
would be nice if you could go back to the previous line of text.  But that's no
biggie.  Nice piece of work,
Mike

#: 4085 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Jun-90  19:06:53
Sb: #PLAY sound files
Fm: James Whitaker 70355,431
To: all
I have uploaded 6 sound data files for the PLAY command. They are: KANSAS.PAK,
ET.PAK, ROBCOP.PAK, PLUMB.PAK, NOTBAD.PAK, and DINKEY.PAK. They were digitized
on a Tandy 1000-TL2 by Lonnie Green. I hope you enjoy them.
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#: 4088 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Jun-90  22:25:47
Sb: #4085-#PLAY sound files
Fm: STEVE FRAVEL 73327,3602
To: James Whitaker 70355,431 (X)
I had been thinking of digitizing some sounds on the TL/2 at work, but wasn't
sure whether the sounds were saved in a compatable form.  Did you have to do
any conversion to them before using them with play?
--Steve
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#: 4096 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Jun-90  19:48:29
Sb: #4088-PLAY sound files
Fm: James Whitaker 70355,431
To: STEVE FRAVEL 73327,3602
No, All we had to do was use PCDOS to transfer the data to os9.

#: 4097 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Jun-90  20:13:33
Sb: #4088-PLAY sound files
Fm: James Whitaker 70355,431
To: STEVE FRAVEL 73327,3602
I should add that Lonnie did do some editing of the data to cut it down to
managable size. He also used the medium sampling rate.

#: 4105 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Jun-90  02:04:13
Sb: #serial mice at last
Fm: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273
To: All
Hi All,
  Well, I've finally uploaded the serial mouse (CC3IO) patches.  So all who
were waiting will soon be able to get their hands on a serial mouse, given that
the upload went OK and that I haven't messed up (knock on wood). I hope you
like it!  Look for "SMOUSE.AR" in Lib 10.
  Bruce
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#: 4128 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Jun-90  20:26:28
Sb: #4105-serial mice at last
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273
Thanks, Bruce, I just downloaded it.
As Randy Quaid says on his beer commercials, "Get back to ya' soon with more
details."
Lee

#: 4109 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Jun-90  07:00:14
Sb: #/V0../V4
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: all
Does anyone know how to make /V0 thru /V4 device descriptors (window
descriptors that open up as 32-column VDG screens)?  I have successfully made
descriptors that will open the VDG window when I use them (ex., shell i=/v0&),
but the problem is that every descriptor points to the same physical window. 
Ie, I have a shell in /v0, I type 'echo hi >/v1', and it shows up on /v0.  This
is the same for all windows.  What I am using is a modified /W2 that has the
names, window type, and window number changed.  I cannot think of anything that
would make it not work.  Any help would be appreciated,
                                                      Joseph Cheek
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#: 4111 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Jun-90  09:44:27
Sb: #4109-#/V0../V4
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Change location $10 to be $C0 for v0, $C1, for v1, etc. Also change location
$37 to be $B0 for v0, $B1 for v1, etc. Be sure to reverify after changes!
Zack
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#: 4116 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Jun-90  22:30:58
Sb: #4111-/V0../V4
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Thanks, Zack.  I will try it out and report my findings.

#: 4119 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Jun-90  00:31:07
Sb: #Reading disk tracks
Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
To: ALL
Does anyone know if there is a way to read a track legally?  I found SS.WTRK,
but I didn't see a read track function in the manual.
William
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#: 4123 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Jun-90  06:19:17
Sb: #4119-#Reading disk tracks
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: William Phelps 75100,265
William,
Shouldn't be too hard to read a track.  All you need to do is open the entire
disk as a file, and then seek to the track you want and read it.  You'll need
to calculate the size of each track in bytes and use that figure for seeking
and reading.  For example; a CoCo OS9 360K floppy has 18 256 byte sectors per
track for 4608 bytes per track.  Open the disk as /d0@ and then seek to the
beginning of the file (the first sector), then seek out 4608 bytes.  This
should put you at the start of the second track.  Then read in 4608 bytes.
If you want to make your program smarter, then have it read the data from LSN0
on the size of things.  Look in the Level II manual page 5-2.  The number of
bytes per sector is not there, but I believe all OS9 systems use 256 bytes per
sector.
Mark
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#: 4126 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Jun-90  09:37:28
Sb: #4123-Reading disk tracks
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41
Mark -
That's really reading a track's worth of sectors, not reading a track. That
incurs all the overhead of interrecord gaps, headers, and disk interleave.
Track reading generall eats that whole collection in one revolution, and
handles data deblocking internally. That's one reason why track caches make
things so fast.
Pete

#: 4125 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Jun-90  09:35:07
Sb: #4119-Reading disk tracks
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: William Phelps 75100,265
William -
Nope - there's no portable way to read a track under OS9 (at this time).. '
Pete
Press <CR> !>

#: 4132 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Jun-90  01:49:48
Sb: #4109-/V0../V4
Fm: Mike Stephenson 71655,415
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
~
Joe;
   Go  to  Library 10 and download WINVDG.AR.  It is by Bruce  Isted  and
contains  windows W thru W15 descriptors which are full 80 column screens
and  also  includes V1 thru V7 which are VDG.  Also includes the  source.
You will need AR to 'de-archive' this file.
Best;
Mike

#: 4134 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Jun-90  06:18:57
Sb: #4126-#Reading disk tracks
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Pete,
I'm not sure about that (reading a track of sectors, including the interrecord
gap stuff).  Wouldn't this be much like reading 16K or so of data from a file
using read()?  You don't get anything there except for the file data.  I know
this is different because the disk was opened as a file, but I believe all the
disk bilge is eaten by the controller and never seen at the applications level.
Maybe I'm confusing the issue -- does this guy want only a tracks worth of data
or does he also want the inter-record stuff?
Mark
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#: 4135 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Jun-90  10:01:04
Sb: #4134-Reading disk tracks
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41
Mark -
If you read the Western Digital 1793 data sheet, look at the READ TRACK
command. That 'bilge' as you refer to it is stripped off only when you perform
normal sector reads. Track read is effectively the converse of track write
(which is what FORMAT uses to put all the lowe level data on the disk.. gaps
track & sector headers, and sector templates.
Pete

#: 4136 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Jun-90  12:37:57
Sb: #4123-Reading disk tracks
Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41
I don't mean read every sector on a track.  I am talking about doing a raw read
of the complete track.
William

#: 4137 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Jun-90  12:40:02
Sb: #4125-Reading disk tracks
Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
I knew there was a reason I kept that DECB zapper around.
William

#: 4139 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Jun-90  18:37:25
Sb: #BREAK KEY
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: ALL
Is there any way to disable the Break key in Basic09 ??
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#: 4144 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Jun-90  22:25:23
Sb: #4139-BREAK KEY
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
Phil -
You can to a few things:
1) Use the SHELL command to invoke a TMODE QUIT=0 ABORT=0
2) Better but harder, use the SYSCALL subroutines to do
   an i$getstt of the path's options (SS.OPT), modify the
   affected bytes, and then set 'em back in place with a
   i$setstt command
3) Use ON ERROR routines to trap the key
Note that while in the interpretive (non packed) mode, the break key is always
enabled as a means of debugging the program, or stopping a runaway routine.
Pete

#: 4148 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-Jun-90  14:18:08
Sb: Dungeon Depths Fix
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: All
I found a slight problem with my latest version of The Dungeon Depths. An out
of memory error occurs on level 7.  To remedy this, you must do the following:
If booting from Multi-Vue, change line 4 in the AIF from 0 to 128. If not
booting from MV you will not be able to use the Depths routine. Instead, type:
  LOAD DEPTHSMOD
  dungeon #32k
Sorry about any inconvience.

#: 4151 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-Jun-90  00:44:25
Sb: Play VS Dynacalc ?
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Kevin Darling
Kev. I know others have modifies d your play utility since you originally wrote
it, but I have come across a problem after I use play5 (the latest version).
Wwhen I fire up Dynacalc after I use the play program,  there is a weird
buzzing in my monitor's speaker. I remember hearing about this problem before,
but I don't know if there is a patch for it, or if it is really a problem ?
What do you think. TC

#: 4175 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-Jun-90  01:15:49
Sb: New uploads
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: all
I have just uploaded two new files:
In library 3, edit.ar: an input function for C which permits editing an
existing string and returns the key-pressed to exit the routine. Also some docs
and support functions.
In library 14, bvnews.txt: product announcments of our latest program (A
graphic/mouse CRIBBAGE program which has beaten me too many times!) and some
information on the latest versions of VED (version 2.5) and VPT (2.0.1).

#: 4182 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-Jun-90  12:26:40
Sb: #4144-BREAK KEY
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Thanks Pete--I'll try em both!

#: 4193 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-Jun-90  14:43:31
Sb: #4104-#VIEW feedback
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273 (X)
~ Bruce;
  Is this something like you had in mind?
 >>   I can't think of any other goodies to add to View, except maybe a
 >> quoting feature if thats possible.  If you've ever used some of the
 >> newer BBSes, particularly OPUS types, and RiBBS, they have a feature
 >> that allows you to quote lines from the original message in your
 >> reply.  Wheh used sparingly the quotes can make a reply much more
 >> informative.   Bruce
  Took some doing, as I had to re-format the original lines to make room for
some sort of identifier showing that these were/are /uoted lines.
 ...Jim
 /rc
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#: 4201 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-Jun-90  18:25:37
Sb: #4193-#VIEW feedback
Fm: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
~ Jim,
  Yep, thats just about exactly what I had in mind for the quoting feature.
Now, can you make it smart enough to put the quote source's initials in the
quote indicator?  <grin>  Just kidding!
  On the other hand, some BBSes I've seen have editors that automatically look
up the quote source's name (from the "FROM: " line?) and extract initials. I'm
not sure how that works in the case of a name that has more or less than two
parts, maybe it just grabs the first character then after that each character
following a space until the end of the name line?  That might not work too well
here because the PIN is always appended after the name.  I'll let you decide
whether or not you want to worry about it!  <grin>
  When do we get to see the new View?  I'll be waiting for your upload
announcement!
  Bruce
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#: 4207 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-Jun-90  21:36:41
Sb: #4201-VIEW feedback
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273
Bruce - 
The newsreader programs on USENET's 'rn' package do that. They look 
at the source for the article, and use a line like:
> In article 4096@wlbr.imsd.contel.com, Pete Lyall writes:
>
> Bruce - what? You want more features? Sheesh, you guys are never
> happy.....
Also, as more people add to the chain, each quoted segment gets
another layer of '>'s:
 > current replier
 >> his predecessor
 >>> and his predecessor
Pete

#: 4204 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-Jun-90  20:36:38
Sb: #database
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: ALL
Does anyone know of a commercial database for the coco-OS9 system or a good
configurable one in PD??
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#: 4218 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-Jun-90  12:07:32
Sb: #4204-database
Fm: CRAIG WYNN 72125,466
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
Ah...have you heard of Sculptor by MPD?  It is characterized more
as a language than a database.  What it is, is a language with a
database engine and screen paint feature combo.  It compiles to a
intermediate code like Basic09 does.  The end user must purchase the
runtime package which are prices according to the environment with
which it being run under.  The same source code written you write
say using the developers package for OS9 will compile and run on
MSDOS machines, SUN, NEXT and VAX machines and under Unix and Novel
systems.  That's the jist of it

#: 4215 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-Jun-90  05:29:49
Sb: #Carrier Detection
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: All
Is there a way to detect carrier in BASIC09 without using a PEEK?
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#: 4221 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-Jun-90  12:21:37
Sb: #4215-Carrier Detection
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
Floyd -
Sorry, nut no... there isn't. You might me able to do some fancy mucking w/
Syscall, but the bottom line is you need a better ACIA driver.
Pete

#: 4222 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-Jun-90  13:49:13
Sb: #pictures
Fm: Darrell Coffey 76106,767
To: all
 help!
 I'm currently designing a new program for a bussiness application, and my main
menu and the other's are getting to where the graphic's they have to draw
on-boot up in each of the windows are knocking up a lot of time.
 So I decided that loading them from disk would be the best method, no such
luck.
 the best way I found to save and load the pictures are in 4 8k buffers.
 (Can you make a 32k buffer so you don't have to split it up?)
 then I tried to use the os9 call SS.MpGPB (Function code $84)
  I opened a path to the window (/w7 a 32k 640 x 200 4 color)
 set the a register to the path
 set the b register to $84
 set the x register to $0101 (High group byte, log buffer byte)
 set the y register to 1 for map buffer
 run syscall ($84,regs)
 and all I get back is a set of negative numbers in the x,y registers.
  Am I missing something important?
  Is theyre a better way to get the window screen location for each window?
 is there a better way to Save/Load a picture to/from a disk?
  any help greatly appreciated!
           Darrell Coffey
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#: 4230 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-Jun-90  15:23:25
Sb: #4222-pictures
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Darrell Coffey 76106,767 (X)
Darrell - SS.MpGPB is a setstt (I think early manuals said getstt instead). In
any case, that would make it RUN syscall ($8E,regs) I believe.
See, the number you pass in reg.b is the statcall number. What you pass in the
first param to syscall is the F$ or I$ system call.
See the SYSCAL tutorial in Lib 2, and also see WLOAD.AR (?) in Lib 10 for an
example of loading a picture.
Gotta run, but will be back. Ask away! - kev

#: 4234 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-Jun-90  18:04:16
Sb: #4222-pictures
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Darrell Coffey 76106,767 (X)
There is a BASIC09 program called WLOAD in the utils lib which demonstrates how
one can load a picture file from disk. It is a simple exercise to figure out
the inverse function, WSAVE.
Zack

#: 4225 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-Jun-90  14:54:18
Sb: #4221-Carrier Detection
Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
There is a way to have the driver kill the program if CD is lost thoughset the
TYP (parity) byte to hex 10 to flag ACIAPAK's auto-kill routine. Be wary though
that the program gets no warning, just killed - and any other processes with
the port open will get killed too.
Otherwise the only safe way to take a look at the status of CD is as Pete says,
do a peek.  If you link to the module (may a little much for basic09) and get
the unit address, you can then operate correctly even if multiple ports are
being used.  Oh, and you should check to insure that the descriptor is using
ACIAPAK as a driver too in case somebody runs the program on a nonACIAPAK
device...
StG

#: 4277 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Jun-90  22:26:34
Sb: #4215-#Carrier Detection
Fm: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
~ Floyd,
  If you grab my "ELIMSW.AR" file from Lib 10 here you'll get a version of
ACIAPAK that has a getstat for the DCD and DSR status.  You can access it
through Basic09's syscall subroutine.  The getstat is not a standard one, but
its better than none at all and is more-or-less freely available.
  Bruce
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#: 4286 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Jun-90  05:48:35
Sb: #4277-Carrier Detection
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273 (X)
Thanks. I'll download it.

#: 4226 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-Jun-90  14:58:14
Sb: #4204-#database
Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
I have been developing a data base for OS9/OSK (and also runs on msdos and
unix) for some time.  The user development interface is not done yet, so it
will be a while (at least into next month) before I release it.  At this point
it's just a bunch of C routines for ISAM-like indexes and screen/report
handling.  Interfaces to BASIC09 are also planned, so that you can write your
own processing routines.
StG
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#: 4233 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-Jun-90  16:36:25
Sb: #4226-#database
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 (X)
Hi Scott--Do you mean release for sale or PD? I know some of youe work has been
commercial and good stuff!
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#: 4236 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-Jun-90  20:20:35
Sb: #4233-#database
Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
It will be released commercially.  I've spent a lot of time on the key handler
routines, and would like to get some of that back.  As with the Login Pkg, the
main core of it will be kept to myself but the outer layer/user interfaces will
become available (in C of course).  Meaning that you'll have to buy the package
to use it, but I'll be distrubuting 'extras' across the many networks so that
improvements will be available w/o charge.
Oh, and those key handler routines 1) use OS9's inherent record locking and 2)
are faster than ISAM, DBIII, and others...  I developed my own key storage
format which allows lookup of an entire record keyed by say last/first name in
about 6 disk reads or less for a file as big as about half a million records.
Gimme a month to get some other stuff out of the way.
StG
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#: 4266 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Jun-90  17:52:39
Sb: #4236-#database
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 (X)
Can I count on a month??<grin>
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#: 4369 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-Jun-90  11:52:54
Sb: #4266-database
Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
They way I'm keeping myself busy, don't count on anything.  But the code is
already functional, it's just a matter of making it useful to the average joe. 
I.E. user interface doesn't exist.  I'm too busy to even think about it this
month, but as soon as the first issue of the OSKer is out the door I should
have a lot more time on my hands...
StG

#: 4232 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-Jun-90  16:24:37
Sb: #4218-database
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: CRAIG WYNN 72125,466 (X)
Thanks for the reply Craig--I think I heard that Frank Hogg sold that a while
ago. I didn't think about it. Thanks again!!

#: 4246 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-Jun-90  22:51:57
Sb: syscall
Fm: Darrell Coffey 76106,767
To: kevin darling
 that's where I have been goofing.
  I've been sending the function code in the syscall line!
 I'll try this, and get back with the results.
 thanks!
      Darrell Coffey

#: 4268 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Jun-90  20:55:31
Sb: #ar? Good upload?
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To:  71211,2545 (X)
Can Not Seem to unarc you column.ar file?? is this ar ok?
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#: 4271 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Jun-90  21:05:34
Sb: #4268-#ar? Good upload?
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
Couldja give complete symptoms?  If it just gripes after doing a bunch of
files, you may be suffering from XMODEM droppings (if you're using XMODEM, that
is).
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#: 4279 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Jun-90  23:24:41
Sb: #4271-ar? Good upload?
Fm: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
James,
I had to filter out the first 128 bytes of the file in order to de-arc it. And,
yes, I used XMODEM. The first half-sector was just scrambled code. After
getting rid of it, AR worked fine.
Wendell

#: 4376 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-Jun-90  19:05:47
Sb: #4268-ar? Good upload?
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
Hi Everitt--I dearced it before I uploaded it and it seemed OK. If you have
trouble check with the sysop and if there's a problem I'd be glad to send it
again. Thanks for downloading it. Phil.

#: 4269 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Jun-90  20:57:07
Sb: #Depths!
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To:  72500,2572 (X)
I have replaced the depthsmod in my cmds and i get an error 43?? Do i need to
do more??
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#: 4287 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Jun-90  05:50:28
Sb: #4269-Depths!
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
Well, nuts!  Sounds like this will require voice contant.  I'll give you a call
and see if we can work it out.
Floyd

#: 4274 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Jun-90  22:04:55
Sb: #syscall blues
Fm: Darrell Coffey 76106,767
To: all
 I tried you're tips, but I'm still having trouble...
 I must not be understanding things properly.
  here is what I have written, please let me know if you notice anything wrong.
 my picture I have drawn is in window number 7
 type registers=cc,a,b,dp:BYTE; X,Y,U:integer
 dim regs:REGISTERS
 dim path,callcode:byte
 dim group:byte
 dim bs,bl:integer
 run syscall($0c,regs)
 group=regs.a
 open #path,"/w7":update
 run gfx2(path,"GET",group,1,0,0,639,1)
 regs.a=path
 regs.b=$84
 regs.x=group*256+1
 regs.y=$1
 run syscall($8d,regs)
 bl=regs.x
 bs=regs.y
 close #path
 print "Buffer at :";bl
 print "Buffer lgt:";bs
 end
 the first time I run this procedure, It returns 22803 in x and 1 in y
 and anytime after that It returns 257 in x, and 1 in y.
  Boy, I don't think I'm ever going to catch on to syscall....
 any help greatly appreciated. thank you
       Darrell Coffey
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#: 4288 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Jun-90  06:44:23
Sb: #4274-#syscall blues
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Darrell Coffey 76106,767 (X)
Darrell,
You're real close. As I think I mentioned just before, SS.MpGPB is a SETstt,
not a getstt as shown in many early manuals. So that should be $8E, not $8D.
Also, some other tips:
1. Once you get it working, be sure to change it so that your process ID is
used as the group number... and Killbuff the group first so that any previous
attempts don't return an error. Oops! I see you're doing the ID bit. Good!
2. Check the returned error code.
     RUN syscall (blah, lah)
     IF land(reg.cc,1)<>0 then
       PRINT "Error number: "; reg.b
     PAUSE
     END
     ENDIF
3. There's an oddity with the Grfdrv length checking. You can't do a
GET(0,0,640,1) to get the entire line. But no problem for now, as the 639
actually ends up getting the last pixel into the buffer anyway (watch out for
PUTs tho). A lot of us do half the line at a time instead (320).
4. Get my GPMAP.B09 from Lib 10, if you don't have it. Good for checking on the
buffers.
5. If you do map in a buffer, and then later kill it... it may still be taking
up space in your basic09 map. Use PMAP to check, and if needed, save the
program and quit/restart basic09. Debugging a new program is about the only
time you should have to, tho.
6. If you need to post your program again, just send it and then do a "su" for
"store unformatted" in a message. So you don't have to type it in by hand or
make spaces on each line. Do this only for code, tho.
I think that's all for now. Keep at it! best - kev
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#: 4309 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Jun-90  17:27:57
Sb: #4288-syscall blues
Fm: Darrell Coffey 76106,767
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
thanks again for your assistance.
 I'll try the new tip's and will let you know how it turn's out later tonight.
     thanks,      Darrell Coffey

#: 4320 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Jun-90  18:56:49
Sb: #4288-syscall blues
Fm: Darrell Coffey 76106,767
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
 here is the revised module;
.... ERROR #215 Ready B:
  Name      Proc-Size  Data-Size
 *dstat         532        45 6379 free Ready B:list PROCEDURE dstat
 0000      TYPE registers=cc,a,b,dp:BYTE; x,y,u:INTEGER
 0025      DIM regs:registers
 002E      DIM n:INTEGER
 0035      DIM path,callcode:BYTE
 0040      DIM group:BYTE
 0047      DIM buffsize,buffloc:INTEGER
 0052      RUN syscall($0C,regs)
 0060      group=regs.a
 006B      PRINT "user number:"; group
 007F      ON ERROR GOTO 10
 0085      RUN gfx2("killbuff",group,0)
 009D 10   ON ERROR GOTO 100
 00A6      OPEN #path,"/w7":UPDATE
 00B4      RUN gfx2(path,"get",group,1,0,0,639,1)
 00D9      regs.a=path
 00E5      regs.b=$84
 00F1      regs.x=group*256+1
 0104      regs.y=$01
 0110      RUN syscall($8E,regs)
 011E      buffloc=regs.x
 0129      buffsize=regs.y
 0134      CLOSE #path
 013A      PRINT buffloc
 013F      PRINT buffsize
 0144      RUN gfx2("killbuff",group,0)
 015C      END
 015E 100  CLOSE #path
 0167      END Ready B:
 As you can see I have awaken to the fact that I was using getstat instead of
setstat, I havent put the little error checker in there yet.
 But the bad news, is i'm still getting the same results...
 the very first time it is ran I receive a 22803 in x and 160 in y, which
sounds right.. is it?
 then anytime after when I run it I get 768 (user number 3*256) and in y I get
1
 I must be tripping over something very simple, it's probably jumping up and
flashing a big neon sign saying *** ERRoR over here dummy *** !!!
 ha,
     Darrell Coffey

#: 4276 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Jun-90  22:26:31
Sb: #4207-VIEW feedback
Fm: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
~ Pete,
  Yeah, the additive quoting is also done on various BBSes, although most I've
seen use about 4 characters or even more for each quote level, so you might see
something like:
 -> This is a quote.
 ->  -> This is a quoted quote.
or even something like:
 PL>> This is a line quoted from a message from Pete Lyall.
 PL>>
 PL>>  BI>> This is a line quoted from a message from Pete Lyall quoting a
 PL>> line
 PL>>  BI>> from a message from Bruce Isted.
  Needless to say, if the quote adds a few characters each time it doesn't take
very long before the older quotes get pretty chopped up.  Fortunately you don't
see quoting back more than 2 levels very often.
  Bruce

#: 4278 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Jun-90  22:53:49
Sb: 512K CoCo System Sale
Fm: Kraig Brockschmidt 76701,265
To: All
Coco Items for Sale:
    All prices OBO
    Coco III 512K           $180
    FD500 Disk 2 SS w/ ADOS $250 (and 50 disks)
    Magnavox CM-8505 RGB    $250
    DMP-105 printer + cable $80
    TP-10 Thermal Printer   $20
    Speech/Sound Pack       $25
    Orchestra-90 Pack       $20
    OS-9 and Multivue       $70
    Games:
        Sands of Egypt      $5
        Gantelet            $10
        Micro Illustrator   $5
        Shamus              $5
        Others              $30 for all (about 30, including
                                Pooyan, Zaxxon, Lancer, many
                                Spectral Associate games).
    Joystick, 2 button      $6
    Paddle                  $5
    300 baud Modem          $15
    2 Volume BASIC Games    $4 (written by Ahl)
    Super ECB Unravelled    $5
    Disk BASIC Unravelled   $5
    All for $800 OBO
    Email Kraig Brockschmidt 76701,265, or call (206)869-2587 and leave a
message.

#: 4302 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Jun-90  12:45:11
Sb: #RMA help
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: all
Anyone:  Can you tell me what is wrong with this code segment?  When executed,
all it does is produce garbage.  I am using RMA and linking it with c.link (as
my rlink died).  Thanx.
entry     lbsr  doscreen
          lbra  exit doscreen  clrb
          lda   #1    STDOUT
          leax  <dscstart,pcr
          ldy   dsclen
          os9   I$WRITE
          lbcs  error
          rts dscstart  fdb   $1b24   DWEnd
          fdb   $1b20   DWSet
          fcb   $02     STY
          fdb   $0000   CPX,CPY
          fdb   $5018   80x24
          fdb   $0001   Fore,Back
          fcb   $02     Border dsclen    equ   *-dscstart error     os9  
F$PERR exit      os9   F$EXIT
          ends
          end
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#: 4303 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Jun-90  14:58:29
Sb: #4302-#RMA help
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Joseph,
You've run into one of the traps of 6809 assembly. The ldy instruction is
loading the two bytes at label "dsclen", rather than what you really wanted to
do, which was load "dsclen" as a constant. Replace the ldy statement with:
  ldy #dsclen
Bill
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#: 4356 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Jun-90  22:56:17
Sb: #4303-RMA help
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
Thank you, Bill!  I will try it.

#: 4322 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Jun-90  19:28:04
Sb: #R/W sys data - help?
Fm: Vince Mulhollon 72766,1500
To: All
How do you access bytes from the old cartridge port while under OS9? I am
talking about the 8 or so K that the S&S pack, RS232 pack, and my custom
projects use.  All I need to know is how to read and write single bytes at a
time to the cartridge port in Basic-09.  I bet that it uses SYSCALL somehow,
but so far, I've had no luck.
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#: 4325 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Jun-90  21:33:07
Sb: #4322-R/W sys data - help?
Fm: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273
To: Vince Mulhollon 72766,1500 (X)
Vince,
  If all you want to do is read or write data in the hardware area under
Basic09, try the "PEEK" and "POKE" instructions.  The hardware area of any CoCo
is always mapped in, so any process can simply PEEK or POKE data in the $FFXX
range.
  Now... this is not recommended for reasons of portability and even of style,
but if you don't have or want a descriptor & driver for apiece of hardware
there's nothing wrong with PEEKing and POKEing from Basic09.
  If your hardware requires interrupt response then you'll have to write a
driver & descriptor and hook into OS-9's IRQ handler.
  Bruce

#: 4331 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Jun-90  04:24:49
Sb: #4322-R/W sys data - help?
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Vince Mulhollon 72766,1500 (X)
Vince,
  In addition to Bruce's advice, you'll need to know that the Speech/Sound pack
won't fly under Level 2 OS9 without a hardware hack. The pack is dependent on
the processor speed, and since Level 2 bumps it up into the 'high speed' mode,
the Speech/Sound pack doesn't operate properly. If you are interested, I'll
point you out to a file that details what you can do.
  Dan

#: 4326 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Jun-90  22:14:01
Sb: #Gfx PUTs
Fm: Darrell Coffey 76106,767
To: kevin darling
 Ha!
I finaly figures it out, you was right all along, I just needed to check for
error's..... It was getting an out of memory error...
 I also learned that you have to 'unmap' AND kill each buffer before you can
re-initialize it somewhere else when youre using a lot of data.
 But the draw back was this method was even slower than the one I previously
had.
 (see:
 I was trying to save the somewhat detailed menu picture of a program, so each
time you loaded , it would not have to re-draw. But after 5 day's work on
trying to figure out how to save and load a picture, I was better off just
letting it draw...
 Unless someone knows how to speed up the turtle like speed of the put
statment.
 (Get really does a great job!)
 Perhaps, is there a way to address the window location directly so you could
to a I$Write or I$read directly to the graphics window instead of going through
the tedious Get/Put/Map/Un-Map ing?
 Thanks for youre assistance in helping me learn a little bit more about Os9 &
Basic09!
   Darrell Coffey
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#: 4338 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Jun-90  13:01:59
Sb: #4326-#Gfx PUTs
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Darrell Coffey 76106,767 (X)
Darrell,
Yup, you're learning all sorts of things along the way, eh? <grin> Keep at it,
you're becoming one of the gfx experts!
I assume that you're only mapping in the buffer ONCE, and then using it until
ready to unmap it, right?
Also, do you have the FSTGRF.AR patch installed? That really speeds up PUTs in
Grfdrv... up to 10 times as fast or more.
For the utmost in speed (but non-portability).. use Ron's VEFIO.AR in Lib 10.
It allows you to snapshot a screen out to disk as a VEF file... or load it back
in. It cheats (going directly to video ram), but the speed is there if you need
it.. for full-screens only, tho.
best - Kev
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#: 4354 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Jun-90  22:04:03
Sb: #4338-#Gfx PUTs
Fm: Darrell Coffey 76106,767
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
 Yup! I'm going to download the FSTGRF.ar tonight. Thanks again for your help.
 I will let you know how it turn's out (Hopefully superb!)
  P.S. I wrote a procedure that when you send it a title, and upto 10 lines
 of text, folowed by the x,y,z,z2 co-ordinates it does all of the
 menu handeling, (using keyboard/mouse) and returns the option selected (if
one)
  If I upload it here will anyone laugh?
 Darrell Coffey
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#: 4371 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-Jun-90  11:57:56
Sb: #4354-Gfx PUTs
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Darrell Coffey 76106,767
Something like that would be great! People are always needing source code
examples of doing menus, etc... who knows .. you might help someone over a
rough spot. thx!

#: 4352 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Jun-90  21:51:01
Sb: #Hard drives
Fm: David Jones 76256,1223
To: ALL
 I have got a Disto no-halt controller with 4 in 1 board and am wanting to add
a hard drive to the system (CoCo-3) I use only OS-9.  I am wanting information
on SASI and SCSI controllers. What advantages/disadvantages do these two
systems have?  Also, would I be better off getting a Seagate N-series drive
with the SCSI controller built in, or getting a seperate controller such as an
adaptec controller?
  Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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#: 4353 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Jun-90  21:59:22
Sb: #4352-Hard drives
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: David Jones 76256,1223
The advantage to using a controller (get SCSI in case you ever move to another
machine/interface) separate is that you can almost always add another bare hard
drive to it if you wish to give you two drives. You can also sometimes upgrade
to a larger HD cheaper this way.
OTOH, embedded SCSI drives like the Seagate N-series have gotten ridiculously
inexpensive (someone was telling me $370 for a 85 megger??)... and is a first
choice for many people. Hard to decide.

#: 4373 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-Jun-90  12:16:35
Sb: #4352-Hard drives
Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
To: David Jones 76256,1223
SASI is slow, SCSI is fast.  B&B and SCSI are close enough that it doesn't
matter, but SCSI is fast becoming a standard among all machines, whereas the
B&B drive is a standard among PC's.  Personally, I recommend going SCSI, and
getting a 40 Meg QUANTAM hard drive - very fast unit. It's 19ms step w/a 64K
built-in cache if I'm not mistaken, for under $400.
StG

#: 4374 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-Jun-90  14:26:16
Sb: #4151-Play VS Dynacalc ?
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
Tony, the only "hack" of Kevin's original PLAY commnand that corrects the
Dynacalc buzzing problem (that I'm aware of, anyway) is PLAY3.AR.  Browse file
area 10 for NOBUZZ and you'll get the file description that summarizes the
exact problem which you describe with PLAY5.
     When PLAY5 showed up, I noticed that the annoying BUZZ had surfaced again,
even though the author of the PLAY5 hack said that he had incorporated ALL
features of the previous hacks of PLAY.  He had no resolution for the
 problem and didn't seem to interested in trying to figure out what the problem
was
Oh, well...
BTW, that buzzing will show up in several programs that have tone calls. For
instance, the PACMAN game found here develops an annoying click after PLAY5 is
used to play a file.
Lee
Press <CR> !>

#: 4406 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Jun-90  13:38:18
Sb: VEF
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: all
I'm sure this is an old question, but where can I find the specs for VEF and
VEFSqsh formats?  I've been through the DL section looking for it and can't
find it.  If anyone would just point out a filename, I'd appreciate it.

#: 4409 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Jun-90  17:24:09
Sb: #4371-#Gfx PUTs
Fm: Darrell Coffey 76106,767
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
 great, I'll upload it as soon as I transfer it to my ibm, (Thats my terminal)
  Could you tell me what's in the os9 developement pack? cat #26-3032?
 thanks
 Darrell Coffey
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#: 4429 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Jun-90  00:46:32
Sb: #4409-Gfx PUTs
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Darrell Coffey 76106,767
Darrell,
   The Development System contains the following:
      *Interactive Debugger (DEBUG program)
      *Screen Editor (SCRED program)
      *Relocating Macro Assembler (RMA and RLINK)
      *Utilites & RAM Disk Drivers (Make & Touch...and VDD Ram disk drivers)
      *12 New Commands (Most dealing with Level 2 or Revisions from Level 1)
        -BINEX
        -DUMP
        -EXBIN
        -LOGIN
        -MODPATCH
        -MONTYPE
        -PARK
        -SAVE
        -SLEEP
        -TEE
        -TSMON
        -VERIFY
      I believe also the Development System contains the CGFX graphics
libraries on the disks, but they weren't explained in this manual, it was
explained in the Multi-Vue documentation (don't ask me why).
     Dan

#: 4413 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Jun-90  19:40:06
Sb: #4204-database
Fm: John Dickey 76537,2631
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
~ Phil,
 I'll add to the other replys you are sure to get...
 1> SCULPTOR from MPD - Source ELDELCO - Ed Gresick @ 302-378-2555
                        P.O. Box 78, Middletown DE 19709
                        Version 1.16 is latest for COCO3 Level II
    Package is a full-featured database / applications generator - very
    powerful.  Weak in the tutorial section, but an outstanding program
 2> IMS from Clearbrook Software Group - Source Clearbrook Software -
                        Paul Kehler - @ 604-853-9118
                        Version 2.2 (I belive) is latest for COCO3 Level II
    Another full-featured database / applications generator - has better
    screen paint program for entry/display screens and report layout and
    much better tutorial system.  Not as powerful in some respects and not
    transportable as SCULPTOR is, but still an extremely useful and powerful
    program.
 Both are true "commercial grade"
 programs that have stood the test of time and use.  I use them both in a
 small business environment on a day to day basis and know others that do the
 same.  John Dickey  Susquehanna QBS (717) 392-7061 after 7 PM if you want to
 talk about either of the programs.

#: 4414 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Jun-90  20:01:52
Sb: #SCREEN DUMP
Fm: John Dickey 76537,2631
To: ALL
Help
 I am looking for a way to do a screen dump to a printer from within
 various programs  (namley SCULPTOR). Any help I can get on this is
 appreciated.
 John Dickey
  Susquehanna QBS
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#: 4416 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Jun-90  21:22:47
Sb: #4414-#SCREEN DUMP
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: John Dickey 76537,2631 (X)
If Sculpter is using a graphics window, you can use VEFIO to save the screen to
a VEF file, then use one of several VEF printer dumps in the libs to print it.
Zack
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#: 4426 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Jun-90  23:19:03
Sb: #4416-#SCREEN DUMP
Fm: John Dickey 76537,2631
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Zack,
 Thanks for the QUICK reply :-)  I have thought of doing that, but what I
 really would like to do is figure out a way to locate the memory address
 that Sculptor (or any other program for that matter) is using [text only
 type screens] and then implement either an asm language or Basic09 sub-
 routine to dump the screen in the background to the printer.
 John
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#: 4430 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Jun-90  01:19:23
Sb: #4426-SCREEN DUMP
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: John Dickey 76537,2631
John - get WINFO.AR (if you don't have that already for VEFIO) and SPRINT.AR
both in Lib 10 here. Sprint will shoot the screen text (from a text screen) to
standard output. So you can "sprint /term >file" or "sprint /w1 >/p1" etc.

#: 4434 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Jun-90  09:45:57
Sb: #4426-SCREEN DUMP
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: John Dickey 76537,2631
There is a program in the libs called WINFO which does that. It is used by
another program, VEFIO, to determine actual memory locations of video memory.
(Which, btw, is considered "cheating" because it makes your code very
un-transportable.)
Zack

#: 4443 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Jun-90  13:59:32
Sb: #Drive stepping
Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
To: all
Why, exactly, does os9 use the stepper motor in the drives much more than the
familar Disk Basic Dos system. I am getting familar with os9 and am finally
understanding it a little better. It seems to take a lot longer to load
programs in because of the searching of the step motor. Would a hard drive step
just as much? thanks, Denise
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#: 4446 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Jun-90  18:32:42
Sb: #4443-Drive stepping
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
If information one needs isn't on the disk track the head currently is on, then
one has to move the head (i.e. seek, which on floppies uses the stepper motor).
Not much that an operating system can do to get around that, save for keeping
information in memory in one of several ways:
1. have it in ROM (e.g. DECB, all of whose commands are in ROM) 2. cache it (a
la Sardis Tech and at least some other "no-halt" controllers) 3. explicitly
load it (using the OS-9 load command to snarf stuff you use a lot into RAM so
that it doesn't have to get it from the disk every time)
In my startup file, I have a line that reads "load /dd/cmds/misc.utils", and I
have in that file the various commands that I have found that I use a lot. 
That can speed things up quite a bit.  Give it a try.

#: 4449 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Jun-90  18:36:42
Sb: #4443-Drive stepping
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
Denise,
Os9 is very disk intensive ... that's why folks insist on a two drive system as
a mere minimum, then a hard drive as soon as possible. If money's too tight for
one of those ... make good use of a ramdisk.
Without anything being loaded into memory, a simple set of commands to do
nothing but call up a directory, find a file then load it will hit the disk
many times.
Lessee ... first it gotta find DIR ..then it's gotta  find LOAD then it can go
after the file you need. You can cut down a lot of this by merging a lot of
your more frequently used commands/utilitys and loading them into memory.
Working from the ramdisk also helps in this way.
It's a trade off, tho .. less memory for instant access.
Steve

#: 4456 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Jun-90  20:28:26
Sb: #4443-Drive stepping
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
Denise -
One other item as well.... Coco Disk Basic allocated the disk into fewer,
larger chunks (68 all total, each being 9 sectors long). While it was much less
prone to having file parts scattered all over the disk, you could only have a
maximum of 68 files on the disk (frequently less). Also, even the smallest
Basic program used 9 sectors.
Pete

#: 4459 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Jun-90  20:32:48
Sb: #4443-Drive stepping
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
It depends on what you're doing. Programs seem to take a little longer to load,
often because of the CRC checking being done to make sure it's a good program
load.
If you don't have some commands in memory (like list or load or dir), then
using those ("list /d1/file") would seem to move the disk around more because
first List must be loaded and then the target file accessed.
Otherwise, no, you really shouldn't see much diff. A hard disk is so much
faster that you won't notice stepping around that much, btw.
Hmmm. Got an example or two of something which seems to step the motor more?

#: 4451 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Jun-90  18:52:46
Sb: #palette
Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
To:  76703,4227 (X)
Kevin;
Iv'e got a question on changing the colors on bootup. Iv'e done a bit of
changing on the /TERM, and /W discriptors already. Things like changing my
bootup colors'to yellow on blue, and changing /W2 into a hardware text window.
Now what needs to be done, is to change palettes on bootup. What I would like
to do is do a patch to boot up on a (display 1b 31 09 08), without,doing the
command line.
Am I getting across what I want?
example:
I used to have wcreat /w2 -s=2 etc.. Then went to the manual and modpatched the
bytes so /w2 is a -s=2 ect. So now it just gets iniz, shell ia. Necessary?
Maybe not, but I knew it could be done.
     >Lute<
P.S. I have posted this on the Hayes system too, you only need answer once.
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#: 4467 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-Jun-90  14:29:28
Sb: #4451-#palette
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)
Lute -
I think I see what you mean. First, I might mention that WMODE.AR here in Lib
10 lets you "xmode" your window descriptors to be of any type, size and default
palette numbers... and I recommend that everyone wmode's all the descriptors to
80x24 type 2 windows so that "program <>>>/w&" works okay. You've done that by
hand, but wmode is easier (and then people can just save those out to disk and
make a new os9boot of course).
Anyway.. ok, you want to change the default palette values, I think. SS.DfPal
can be used for that, or you can actually modify Grfint/Windint's default
internal tables. Look around offset $2F2 or $2F3 in whichever of those you use
for this sequence of values:
 $3F,$09,$00,$12,$24,$36,$2D,$1B  (pals 0-7)
 $3F,$09,$00,$12,$24,$36,$2D,$1B  (pals 8-15)
Those are the default 16 palette values for pals 0-15 (they repeat as you can
see for 0-7 and 8-15). The colors are White, Blue, Black, Green, Red, Yellow,
Magenta, and Cyan. You can change them to whatever you wish, altho some
programs may assume the original default colors. - kev
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#: 4529 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Jun-90  21:44:10
Sb: #4467-palette
Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin:
That's what I was looking for.
I saw that SS.dfpal and I thought it should work, but I am somewhat ignorant in
much of the world of OS-9, and have no idea what it is or how to get it to
work. Once I get those down, I'll probably be totally out of control.
Thanks much for the help.
     >Lute<

#: 4452 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Jun-90  19:02:07
Sb: #4430-#SCREEN DUMP
Fm: John Dickey 76537,2631
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin,
  Had Winfo, forgot that it gets the screen location. Thanks for the point
 to Sprint - it will do the trick for me.  Zack Sessions pointed out that
 use of such a method will make my Sculptor code un-portable, which at the
 present time is OK as I am going to use the Screen Print Function to dump
 screens for a SCULPTOR tutorial for the COCO3.  Just can't stand MPD's
 manual.  Thanks again for the quick help.
 John
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#: 4458 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Jun-90  20:32:11
Sb: #4452-#SCREEN DUMP
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: John Dickey 76537,2631 (X)
PS: one thing about Sprint, in case you run into it (it bit me a few times):
When it saves the underscore "_" char, it uses the coco version vs the normal
ascii version. So be careful snapping screens and then using them in say, an
asm source file... errors! <grin> Gets me once in a while.
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#: 4482 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-Jun-90  22:28:10
Sb: #4458-#SCREEN DUMP
Fm: John Dickey 76537,2631
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin,
 Thanks much for the tip... I'll watch out for that one.. BTW the program
 works tremendously!  Ron did a fine job on it. And he credits you for the
 pointers etc that he got from you. Thats what I like about this place,
 people helping people get the most out of their systems. John
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#: 4483 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-Jun-90  22:37:24
Sb: #4482-#SCREEN DUMP
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: John Dickey 76537,2631 (X)
Any time, John. BTW, I admit to loading in Sprint/winfo on bootup these days, I
use it so much <grin>. Great for snarfing a msg off my terminal screen when I
forget to turn on buffer capture.
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#: 4494 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-Jun-90  18:48:32
Sb: #4483-SCREEN DUMP
Fm: John Dickey 76537,2631
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Hmmmm... Now you're giving me ideas... I am learning a lot looking at the code
for those two utilities and your Wdir program.  When I get it all figured out I
may try my hand at an assembly lang subroutine that combines the two. Gone for
now, John

#: 4453 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Jun-90  19:05:57
Sb: #4434-SCREEN DUMP
Fm: John Dickey 76537,2631
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Zack,
 Kevin D pointed me to WINFO and SPRINT in DL10, which will do exactly what
 I am looking for at the present time.  I need to dump sculptor screens to
 a file for use in a SCULPTOR tutorial that I am going to write for the
 COCO3.  As far as use within an application, it would probably be an easy
 matter to change the source code to access other operating systems screen
 print function or just have the user hit the SCREEN PRINT key (messy-dos)
 etcettera.  Thanks again for the help.
 John

#: 4454 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Jun-90  19:43:36
Sb: #4429-Gfx PUTs
Fm: Darrell Coffey 76106,767
To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)
 Well, I see that I am going to have to purchase this package before I can do
any programming.
 Thank you for your help.
 Darrell Coffey

#: 4455 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Jun-90  20:10:43
Sb: #4413-#database
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: John Dickey 76537,2631 (X)
Hi John--I've heard about SCULPTER but I didn't hear about the one from
Clearbrook. Thanks for the lead. By the way where is QBS??
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#: 4481 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-Jun-90  22:25:41
Sb: #4455-database
Fm: John Dickey 76537,2631
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
Phil,
 Susquehanna QBS is located in the burgeoning metropolis of Lancaster, PA.
 Basically Find Harrisburg PA on a map and head South East.
 Glad to point you to the programs ... if you need more information feel
 free to yell at me on here or by landline.
 John

#: 4468 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-Jun-90  19:17:17
Sb: #4353-Hard drives
Fm: David Jones 76256,1223
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Thanks for the info. I sold my Disto hard drive interface and baught the B&B
with a WD1002wx1 controller.  Thats MFM right? The B&B and WD Controller only
cost me $60 so if have invested $110 in the HD system. If you know anyone with
a IBM PC that needs a 10meg MiniSscribe drive let me know I am not sure what
format it is.
Tthanks again.

#: 4480 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-Jun-90  22:17:04
Sb: #2 tied
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: all
What do I need to do to run Two RS 232 packs in one computer and 1 rs232 in
another and tie them together? (VIA 232 cable)
ANy help? What do i use (/t3,m2,??)
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#: 4509 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-Jun-90  22:13:26
Sb: #4480-#2 tied
Fm: George Gavaghan 76236,421
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
Everett- I'm a little new here, but I may be able to help you out anyway.
First, what is your   system configuration (what ya' got?) and what kind of
232's are you trying to use? Do you have a MULTI Pak or a "Y"  cable? Read and
reply.   ---->GG
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#: 4576 S10/Tandy CoCo
    23-Jun-90  08:42:59
Sb: #4509-2 tied
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: George Gavaghan 76236,421
I have A COCO 3 with 1 meg and a multipack (upgraded) with 2 232 packs and 2 60
meg harddrives with a 4800 baud modem.
And I have another coco 3 512 with a multipack (upgraded ) and 1 232 pack and 2
5 1/4 & 1-3 1/4 Drive!
I want to use t2 for my bbs and then at the same time i want to use the other
rs 232pack to work the other computer . ok?

#: 4488 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-Jun-90  03:01:13
Sb: #Disk Drive Discriptors
Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
To: ALL
Why does OS9 seem to ignore the IT.SCT field in a drive discriptor?  The system
will use the IT.T0S value on all tracks when a disk is formatted.
William
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#: 4490 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-Jun-90  03:12:24
Sb: #4488-#Disk Drive Discriptors
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: William Phelps 75100,265 (X)
Does it? Are you using the latest format version? I know some versions had
things hardcoded. I believe the L-II coco version does use the SCT value
properly, but could be wrong.
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#: 4512 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Jun-90  01:48:11
Sb: #4490-Disk Drive Discriptors
Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
I am using format from L2 version 2.00.01.
William

#: 4499 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-Jun-90  21:03:26
Sb: #4406-#VEF
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Thanks, I found some VEF specs in VEFSQS.AR, thanx anyway.
There is 1 Reply.

#: 4510 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Jun-90  00:01:59
Sb: #4499-#VEF
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Great!  I was going to point you to that file.  I've been offline and took a
small vacation down to Cal for the past 5 days, or I would have seen your
message earlier.
Mike
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#: 4547 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Jun-90  12:02:39
Sb: #4510-VEF
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)
THanks.  I took a man page from vefsqsh and converted it into some VEF specs,
and I will upload those as soon as I find it so that people will not have to
bother everyone for them 8-).

#: 4514 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Jun-90  06:10:32
Sb: #4148-#Dungeon Depths Fix
Fm: Tom Napolitano 70215,1130
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Floyd,
     Pardon my ignorance, but what is "Dungeon Depths"?  I've been looking for
some new games.
   Thanks,
    tomn
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#: 4524 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Jun-90  13:10:43
Sb: #4514-Dungeon Depths Fix
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Tom Napolitano 70215,1130
The Dungeon Depths is a game I wrote in BASIC09.  Basically, you maneuver a man
around each level trying to kill (or avoid) monsters and attempting to find
your way to the next level.  The object of the game is to get to the final
level and get the Power Gem.  How many levels are there?  Only the author
knows!  Anyway, I've receive a lot of compliments on it and I still enjoy
playing it.  I've only solved it once if that gives you any indication on how
challenging it is. If you download it, be sure to get DUNGN1.AR.  I believe
that's what I called it.  It's in the Tandy CoCo library.
Floyd

#: 4605 S10/Tandy CoCo
    24-Jun-90  13:14:01
Sb: #os9 to Dos
Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
To: all
Is there a file that converts a os9 disk to Dos ? such as "Dosor9" converts
from Dos to os9? I have a midi file on os9 disk that I need to ge a dos disk to
use my dos based termqNlyi?lv~Mi=3}|
terminal pakage to upload with
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#: 4608 S10/Tandy CoCo
    24-Jun-90  15:20:36
Sb: #4605-os9 to Dos
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274 (X)
Denise,
  Check the file PCDOS.AR in LIB 10. It runs under OS9, and will do the job for
you (with a few adjustments via a patch file). You'll need a freshly PC-DOS
formatted diskette to do the job.
   Dan

#: 4619 S10/Tandy CoCo
    24-Jun-90  21:07:21
Sb: #4605-os9 to Dos
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274 (X)
There are a couple of utilities in the libraries here for copying files from an
os9 disk to a rsdos disk.  In lib 9 you'll find rsdos.ar which requires a patch
to CCDisk to work and in lib 10 you'll find idcpy.ar which doesn't require the
the patch but which in consequence can't access track 0 on the rsdos disk. 
Take your choice.

#: 4621 S10/Tandy CoCo
    24-Jun-90  21:37:24
Sb: #PLAY sound files
Fm: STEVE FRAVEL 73327,3602
To: James Whitaker 70355,431 (X)
Thanks!  I'll be digitizing some of my favorite sounds, and if they're pretty
good, I'll probably upload 'em...
--Steve
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#: 4636 S10/Tandy CoCo
    25-Jun-90  17:42:49
Sb: #4621-PLAY sound files
Fm: James Whitaker 70355,431
To: STEVE FRAVEL 73327,3602 (X)
Lonnie wants me to bring my Betamax and a few tapes to his house. So probably
after the July 4th holiday I will have a few more to upload myself.

#: 4625 S10/Tandy CoCo
    24-Jun-90  23:34:51
Sb: #Sculptor tutorial
Fm: Al Fleagle 72527,1354
To: John Dickey 76537,2631 (X)
John, I'm very interested in your comment about a SCULPTOR tutorial.  I think
I'm very much with SCULPTOR like I was in the early years of OS9, I have the
package and I use only about 10% of its capabilities.  One problem I've been
trying to work out is multiple to one relationships between data files.  For
example, I call on several offices in the Northeast, each one having its own
information which I might need to recall.  No problem there. However, each
office might be working on several different projects and when I access the
data on the projects I need to be able to reference the information from the
office data.  To further complicate things, I might need information from the
files of an individual from that office, again one of many individuals at each
office.  The point of all this rambling is simple:  Need a beta tester for your
tutorial?  <hint, hint>.
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#: 4630 S10/Tandy CoCo
    25-Jun-90  06:31:17
Sb: #4625-Sculptor tutorial
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Al Fleagle 72527,1354 (X)
Al,
  To my knowledge, there isn't a SCULPTOR tutorial in the LIBS, but if you want
to check out a few examples, Barry Bond (a sculptor user) as uploaded a few
examples in LIB 2. Scoot on up there and type: BRO /KEY=SCULPTOR     and the
first two hits you get are example files.
   Dan

#: 4637 S10/Tandy CoCo
    25-Jun-90  20:22:22
Sb: #4625-Sculptor tutorial
Fm: John Dickey 76537,2631
To: Al Fleagle 72527,1354 (X)
Art,
 Could be on the beta tester... but I'm afraid that point is down the
 road a little bit.  :->  However... Let me look at this message off line
 and study it for a second or two or three or ... What it looks like is
 you need to learn how to use cross-reference files and that will take
 a bit of trial and error and a couple of files I have on hand to do.
 First though I'll upload a "trial" outline of what I understand you need
 If it looks good we will go from there if not we will rework it until
 it works, and see if we can solve your problem for you and get you
 further hooked on what is becoming one of my favorite Fourth Generation
 Language Programs.
 John

#: 4638 S10/Tandy CoCo
    25-Jun-90  20:37:02
Sb: #Downloading pcdos.ar
Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
To:  73007,2473 (X)
in reference to message # 4605, in switching a os9 file over to Coco Dos, using
PCDos.ar. After downloading the file to my rsdos disk, should I use Dosor9 to
get it over to os9 before I unarc it? or should I use Tccoco3.bin to unarc it
before using Dosor9? Also what format should I save a downloaded file that is
arced on the disk? Ascii, Binary, ETC. Thanks, Denise
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#: 4639 S10/Tandy CoCo
    25-Jun-90  20:43:52
Sb: #4638-#Downloading pcdos.ar
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274 (X)
Denise,
  Whoa! <GRIN>  What exactly is it you want to do? (Now we've got RS-DOS
involved in this...and there are separate utilities to take RS-DOS to MS-DOS as
well OS9 to MS-DOS...and reverse as well.) Explain a little further what files
you have and in what format they currently are, and then what you want to take
them to.
   Dan
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#: 4647 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Jun-90  02:24:03
Sb: #4639-#Downloading pcdos.ar
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)
Dan - I think Denise first mentioned rsdos, not pcdos. Not positive tho. Better
go back and check the first msg, eh?
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#: 4650 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Jun-90  05:47:36
Sb: #4647-Downloading pcdos.ar
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev,
  Just tried. It done scrolled off the system.    Dan

#: 4659 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Jun-90  17:24:35
Sb: #4639-#Downloading pcdos.ar
Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)
I have a Coco 3 512k under os9, but use RSDOS terminal hardware and software to
access compuserve. I have used Dosor9 to download os9 files and convert them to
an os9 disk for execution. I also have Ultimusic, and have created a music file
that I would like to upload to compuserve. It is presently sitting in a pure
os9 disk. I want to move that file to RSDOS and use my terminal
software/hardware to upload it to Compuserve. I don't use a terminal pkg under
os9 because I don't have an rs232 pak. I use the bit banger port and ultimaterm
under RSDOS. Sorry I confused you, (sounds like a woman don't it) Thanks,
Denise
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#: 4666 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Jun-90  20:49:32
Sb: #4659-#Downloading pcdos.ar
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274 (X)
Denise,
   Good enuff...now I know what you want...check out the file RSDOS.AR in LIB
10. It will do the transfers back and forth between OS9 and RSDOS.
   Sorry about the confusion (and I probably helped confuse the matter, too!)
   Let us know how it goes!    Dan
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#: 4747 S10/Tandy CoCo
    29-Jun-90  17:23:41
Sb: #4666-#Downloading pcdos.ar
Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)
It is in Arced format. Should I download and unarc it with a RSDos arc program
or should I transfer over to os9 with "Dosor9" and then unarc it with a Os9 arc
program. If so, what is a good os9 arc program?
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#: 4752 S10/Tandy CoCo
    29-Jun-90  20:27:12
Sb: #4747-#Downloading pcdos.ar
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274 (X)
Denise,
   Go ahead and download under RS-DOS, but before you do have DOSOR9 handy and
a freshly formatted OS9 diskette.
   Go to LIB 10 and download RSDOS.AR, -AND- to LIB 9 and download AR09.BIN.
   DOSOR9 BOTH files over to your formatted OS9 disk.
   Now...let's take care of the de-archving file first. You will need to reset
the appropriate attributes to get the thing to fly, so, in ALL following
examples, replace the "/d?" with the drive you are using. You will need to type
the following, to change the attributes:
   ATTR /d?/AR09.BIN PE PW PR E W R
   Next, rename the file to get rid of the .BIN extension, type:
   RENAME /d?/AR09.BIN AR
   Bingo, part one is done. So next, we have to change the attributes to
RSDOS.AR so we can do things with it, type the following:
   ATTR /d?/RSDOS.AR PW PR W R
   Bingo, part two is done....and now to extract the files, you can do this by
typing the following:
   /d?/AR -x /d?/RSDOS.AR       and it should extract the files.
   Keep in mind, if you get any errors, it's likely because OS9 doesn't know
where the programs (like ATTR, RENAME, or AR) are located, so don't be afraid
to give full path descriptors (ie... /d0/cmds/ATTR /d0/RSDOS.AR) to where ever
the programs AND files you need to changes or extract are located.
   Good luck!
   Dan
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#: 4770 S10/Tandy CoCo
    30-Jun-90  11:22:28
Sb: #4752-Downloading pcdos.ar
Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)
Thanks for the info. I have used dosor9 before, so I am familar with resetting
the attribtes and error problems. Denise

#: 4669 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Jun-90  22:01:00
Sb: #4659-Downloading pcdos.ar
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274 (X)
Don't sell yourself short, Denise, that was an excellant explanation of your
situation. I haven't read the reply to your message yet, it probably fills you
in on what you need to do. Basically, all you need to do is snatch a copy of
[D RSDos with it's acompaning patch to CC3Disk (unless you use a Disto SCII),
and you can copy files to/from DECB formatted disks. Good luck!
Zack

#: 4643 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Jun-90  00:34:04
Sb: #window
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: all
I would like to see t2 in a windo ins't there a program called tee on here??
Any help?
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#: 4648 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Jun-90  03:01:25
Sb: #4643-window
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
Ev - "tee" comes from L-I or the DevPak, I believe. Wouldn't help you tho, not
for what I think you want it to do. Some BBS's have custom aciapak drivers
which will echo to a window... I believe the Alphasoft package is one, for
instance.
PS: BESTOF.TXT is still there in Lib 10. Just looked and did "bro bestof"...
and there it was. Yell if you still can't find it. - kev

#: 4645 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Jun-90  01:06:17
Sb: #dungeons
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To:  72500,2572 (X)
to: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 subject: Dungeon Depths
Floyd, I downloaded your game the other day (for my kid!) and he's been having
a blast with it. But in level 7 he gets an "error 56 in mapcheck" message. This
is your latest version. Any idea for a fix? If you want I can shoot up the
idents of the modules...
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#: 4660 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Jun-90  18:37:41
Sb: #4645-dungeons
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
The problem you are having is a very common in the game.  It crept up after I
uploaded the game.  It is a memory problem as a result of recursive
programming. To correct it, boot the game this way: OS9: load depthsmod <ENT>
OS9: dungeon #24k <ENT>
That'll take care of it for you.

#: 4684 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Jun-90  11:54:58
Sb: #4524-#Dungeon Depths Fix
Fm: Tom Napolitano 70215,1130
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Floyd,
   thanks a lot.  I'm not too good at games, but they do provide a respite from
the usual edit-compile-test session.
   tom n
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#: 4691 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Jun-90  15:55:04
Sb: #4684-Dungeon Depths Fix
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Tom Napolitano 70215,1130 (X)
I know what you mean about the edit-compile-test sessions.  Thankfully, with
BASIC09, it's mainly just edit-test!

#: 4694 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Jun-90  19:26:05
Sb: Sculptor Tutorial
Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
To:  72527,1354 (X)
L Hi Al:
I assume your reference to 'multiple to one relationships' is really how to use
cross-reference files.  In both dl2 and dl3 are some demonstration programs
some of which will show you how to use cross-reference files.  Of special
interest is the one from Brad Masters in Australia - you'll find that one in
dl3.
In reality, cross-reference files are trivial to implement in Sculptor. The
real problem is determining exactly what is wanted.  Before you start writing
code, determine what info is going to be needed for output and what input data
is available.  Then you can start playing with file structures and
relationships.  This phase usually takes lots of time (and paper and pencil). 
Done properly and thoroughly, this process often ends up almost writing the
code itself.  (NOTE - this is good programming practice no matter what language
you're using.)
Ed /ex POST;Al Fleagle 72527,1354;Sculptor Tutorial;10

#: 4698 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Jun-90  20:15:15
Sb: #"C" compiler
Fm: Rodney Harper 75130,1321
To: All
I would relly like to find the Tandy "C" compiler for the COCO 3, OS9 level 2.
If you have it, or can direct me to a supplier, I would be most appreciative.
>>Rod<<
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#: 4702 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Jun-90  21:51:41
Sb: #4698-"C" compiler
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 (X)
Try Tandy! You local Radio Shack can special order the C compiler for you, or
if you have a credit card, you can call a toll free number and order it
yourself. It is available from the "Express Order Software Buyer's Guide".
Stock number 26-3038 CMC. Toll free number is 1-800-321-3133. Base price is
$99.95.
Zack

#: 4715 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-Jun-90  05:48:32
Sb: #Shell+ Path variable
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Ken, 71750,551 (X)
Ken,
I'm afraid that you can't set a path in the startup file and have it stay
current when you exit it.  That path is only good for the shell that it was
created in, which is the shell running the startup file.  I do understand that
Ron Lammardo is working on another version of Shell+ that fixes this little
problem.
Mark
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#: 4757 S10/Tandy CoCo
    29-Jun-90  22:43:14
Sb: #4715-#Shell+ Path variable
Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
If one fixes that "problem", doesn't that create incompatibility with OSK?
I don't see it as a problem so much.  There are many ways of getting around it.
For example, I have a program that goes in the .login script (does shell+ have
this?) that sets the TERM environment variable, after asking the user what he
wants.  It works because shell runs the .login before taking input from the
user.  Unfortunately, the program only works when you first log in.. if you
switch terminals, you can't run the program from the command line.  So you log
out...
StG
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#: 4766 S10/Tandy CoCo
    30-Jun-90  05:14:42
Sb: #4757-#Shell+ Path variable
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 (X)
Scott,
By setting a TERM environment do you mean setting writing a line in some sort
of environment file?  Sure, you can do it that way.
The problem with Shell+ is not the shell really, but OS9 itself.  Same problem
exists in UNIX also, if you want to call it a problem.  Setting a directory
path is only current as long as that shell is running.  Setting the shell's
PATH variable in the startup file works fine as long as that shell is running. 
When it goes away, so does all the parameters for that specific shell.
UNIX environment variables as well as with OSK are not the same....they stay
around.  A pity that OS9/6809 does not have the same thing.
Mark
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#: 4887 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Jul-90  06:32:44
Sb: #4766-Shell+ Path variable
Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
Yes, I know.  Unix has separate global vars and local/passed vars.  My point
however was that as OSK does not have globals, adding such to OS9 Shell+ would
be a mistake (in my opinion) as it would open up incompatibilities.
StG

#: 4783 S10/Tandy CoCo
    30-Jun-90  17:55:16
Sb: #gfx2 error 195
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: ALL
I recently downloaded the new gfx2 by Kevin Darling and I typed in the program
<MVFINANCE> <much typing> from April 1990 Rainbow. When I run it I get a 195 on
the line which follows line 6000. It reads: RUN gfx2("WNset",WT_DBox,Finwin).
I've checked for typo's and I cant figure why I get the error. I'm not all that
familiar with the new gfx2 commands which adds to my problems. HELP!!
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#: 4789 S10/Tandy CoCo
    30-Jun-90  21:56:41
Sb: #4783-#gfx2 error 195
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
Hmmm. I think Dale was gonna upload that program when he got a chance.
Illegal window definition, eh? (err 195). Is WT_DBox dim'd and set up at the
beginning? Has Finwin been set up also? An earlier version I have here seems to
work okay. I'll mail it to you and you can check for diffs. - kev
PS: if you want?
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#: 4807 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Jul-90  15:20:11
Sb: #4789-#gfx2 error 195
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
THAT'SIT!!!!!!! Hey thanks a bunch Kev there was an error in the dim
statement--Thanks also for the new GFX2.
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#: 4817 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Jul-90  23:31:15
Sb: #4807-gfx2 error 195
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
Great! Glad it was an easy fix!

#: 4784 S10/Tandy CoCo
    30-Jun-90  20:40:23
Sb: #RSDOS.AR
Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
To: Sysop (X)
I can't find "RSDOS.AR" in library 10. I know its in there somewhere. Maybe Im
using the wrong extension, but it won't allow me to use wild cards. Does anyone
know where it went to Thanks, Denise
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#: 4785 S10/Tandy CoCo
    30-Jun-90  20:48:43
Sb: #4784-RSDOS.AR
Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274 (X)
Check DL9, it's in there alive and well.

#: 4797 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Jul-90  06:47:19
Sb: #4784-#RSDOS.AR
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274 (X)
Denise,
  Oops! I guess I'm the culprit! When RSDOS.AR was originally uploaded, it had
been in LIB 10, and it was moved over to LIB 9. Sorry to make you go looking in
the wrong area.     Dan
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#: 4800 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Jul-90  12:35:12
Sb: #4797-RSDOS.AR
Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)
Thanks, Ill give it a try again. I believe I checked in lib9 just to be sure
thinking there was a mixup in librarys. I'll go for it again and see what
happens. Thanks again, Denise

#: 4803 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Jul-90  14:10:50
Sb: #os9-Rsdos
Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
To: Dan Robbins
Help, I'm getting into a can of worms I think. I got the file "rsdos.ar"
unarced and over to a os9 disk with the attr's set. I then read the doc and it
says that I have to use the "cc3disk.ar" file to patch my cc3disk module. I
then downloaded the cc3disk.ar file and I learn that I can't use it until I use
the "IPatch" utility. Then I have to build up a new os9boot file using os9gen.
That is getting a little heavy for a "learning" os9 user. I have built up a
boot with the Config utility. It takes a long while to use that one. I know it
takes a lot less to use os9gen but I don't know what tools and files to include
when building a new boot file up with that tool. All I really want to do is
move a file from os9 to RSDOS. Is there a os9 terminal program that uses the
bit banger? If so, I could get rid of all this gar-bage of switching between
os9 and RSDOS based terminal pkg. Denise
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#: 4812 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Jul-90  21:26:29
Sb: #4803-#os9-Rsdos
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274 (X)
Denise,
  Well, there was at one time a terminal program (300 baud) that worked with
the bit-banger under Level 1 OS9, but it meant a special cable, etc. to go with
the terminal program, and I don't think it is even being sold anymore. I
believe you're still gonna have to go the IPatch route to get the files between
one to the other. Solly!
  Dan
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#: 4835 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Jul-90  18:32:22
Sb: #4812-os9-Rsdos
Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)
Thanks Dan, I just thought of a program I bought a year ago called Burke and
Burke RSB.  It allows disk basic under os9. It sounds kind of silly to run
basic under os9 but thats what I was familar with and got me started in os9. I
used the Skitzo tool and created a split personality disk, os9 first 17 tracks
and dos the last 17. I then used the tool called Hcopy, which copies between
the split disk, and guess what, bingo its there where I wanted it to be The
only thing was I had to use standard os9, I have mine customized to use 40 trk
double sided drives and the RSB copy tools would only work with standard 35
track format. So I got out my old level 2 original disk. Thanks again for all
the help anyway, Huggs, Denise

#: 4809 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Jul-90  20:19:09
Sb: #os9 Disk Zapp
Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
To: All
Is there any info on how a os9 disk is formatted? I have a coco 3 512K with 2,
5.25 drives. I am familar with the format under RSDOS, such as where the
granule table is located and how to trace a file from the directory. How do you
trace a file under os9? Lets say your disk crashed and you want to try and
recover a file. I have an os9 disk zap tool, but don't really understand the
format, because the tutoral with the tool dosen't go into detail on how a file
is allocated. Thanks, Denise
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#: 4811 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Jul-90  21:15:20
Sb: #4809-os9 Disk Zapp
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274 (X)
Denise -
Basically the disk is broken up into the following areas:
  o - LSN0 (logical sector # 0)
  o - storage bitmap
  o - File descriptor sectors
  o - Directories and files
The LSN0 contains all the crucial info about the disk (heads, cylinders,
allocation strategy, etc.). It is the 1st sector on the media. It is followed
by the bitmap. The bitmap is a series of sectors full of bytes that represent
what part of the disk is used, and what part is free. Typically, a bit in the
bitmap = 1 sector on the disk (although clustersize may be set to be greater
than 1 sector, and then each bit represents 1 cluster). The size of the bitmap
is recorded in the LSN0 sector. The File descriptor sectors are the map for
each file or directory. They contain information on date of creation, owner,
size, attributes, etc. in the 1st 16 bytes. The other 240 bytes of the sector
are 48 5-byte records of the form:
   LSN(3) #ofSectors(2)
Indicating where the file is mapped on the disk. The 1st 3 bytes show the
starting logical sector number of the chunk, and the next two show how many
sectors are in that chunk. The FD sector for the root directory is specified by
LSN # in the LSN0 sector. From there, you can find the root directory, and all
files and directories below it. All directory entries are of the form:
  Name(29) LSN(3)
Where name is up to 29 bytes long (last character has the high bit set), and
then 3 bytes tat indicate the LSN of the FD sector for that file.
You can get more information by reading about the RBF manager in the technical
reference manual. Hope that was enough to get you started.
Pete

#: 4823 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Jul-90  06:23:44
Sb: #4809-#os9 Disk Zapp
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274 (X)
The best place to look is in the OS-9 Technical Manual, in the section on RBF. 
That shows the layout of directories, and the contents of file descriptor
sectors and LSN 0, which is what you need to know to unravel a scrambled disk.
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#: 4836 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Jul-90  18:33:20
Sb: #4823-#os9 Disk Zapp
Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Where can a person order the manual?
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#: 4844 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Jul-90  20:48:46
Sb: #4836-#os9 Disk Zapp
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274 (X)
The manual comes with OS-9.  Do you not have a copy?
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#: 4932 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Jul-90  18:39:26
Sb: #4844-#os9 Disk Zapp
Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
I have not read a lot of the manual since it goes into great detail on a lot of
stuff I don't understand yet. I thought they were refering to the technical
manual like the coco3 has for the internal workings. I will have to look in the
manual I got and read about the disk format. I didn't know it was in there.
Thanks, Denise
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#: 4933 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Jul-90  20:11:18
Sb: #4932-#os9 Disk Zapp
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274 (X)
Ahhhh.  *That* technical manual.  Sorry; I should have been clearer. I meant
the OS-9 Technical Manual.
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#: 4988 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-Jul-90  12:20:28
Sb: #4933-#os9 Disk Zapp
Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
To make things clear, are we talking the manual you get with the 2 os9 disks
when youn purchase os9? I looked in the technical chapter and did find some
material on how a disk is sectored and formatted. Denise
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#: 4991 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-Jul-90  13:45:42
Sb: #4988-os9 Disk Zapp
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274 (X)
That's the very manual I mean.  In particular, Chapter 5 of the OS-9 Technical
Manual that comes with CoCo OS-9/6809 Level Two.

#: 4833 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Jul-90  16:32:19
Sb: #4809-os9 Disk Zapp
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274 (X)
Check out Chap. 5 in the OS9 Tech Ref. It's all there.
Zack

#: 4821 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Jul-90  01:46:08
Sb: modem help
Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
Sorry, Everett...we do not allow "War Games" dialers in our libraries, so
you'll have to look elsewhere.
Wayne

#: 4824 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Jul-90  06:33:31
Sb: #Mouse vs. Keyboard
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: All
Help!  Has anyone seen the following symptoms before?
My CoCo was chugging along nicely.  I decided to interrupt the B&B repack (it
hasn't made it quite halfway through my 30 Mbyte drive yet in about 18 hours of
runtime) and dial up a few places.  The repack stopped in reasonable order
(well...it does have this habit of leaving "." entries in some directories
wrong, but I can fix that with ded), and I was in fact about to fire up ded
when I found that what I was typing was being ignored.  I powered down, pulled
the CoCo out, opened it up and pulled and reseated the plastic ribbon connector
from the keyboard to the circuit board, and just hooked it up to the monitor
again to try it out.  Hot dog, it worked.
Plug everything back in again and power up.  It doesn't work.
Experimentation shows that the killer is not the printer connection, as I
suspected (after all, that's the other half of the PIA, right?), but the
high-res mouse adapter.  If I leave it unplugged, all looks well.  If I plug it
in, I can't type at my CoCo.
Any ideas?  I really would like to use my mouse.  (I guess for completeness's
sake I should try the mouse without the adapter.)
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#: 4828 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Jul-90  07:55:49
Sb: #4824-#Mouse vs. Keyboard
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Use to be, when RSDOS was the way, I'd get similar crazyness whenever one of
the joystick buttons were depressed, and I didn't know it.
Perhaps something similar here?
Steve
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#: 4842 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Jul-90  20:45:55
Sb: #4828-#Mouse vs. Keyboard
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
You hit the nail on the very head.  A book had slipped over and was sitting on
a mouse button.  Oy, did I feel stupid!
Thanks for the reply; just goes to show it pays to look for the simple things
first.
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#: 4850 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Jul-90  07:34:22
Sb: #4842-Mouse vs. Keyboard
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Just shows to go ya!  :-)
All those years under RSDOS were useful after all!
Steve

#: 4831 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Jul-90  12:30:06
Sb: #4824-#Mouse vs. Keyboard
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
JJ -
Look for a shorted mouse button (or a sticky one). The way the scanning
routines used to be written, the keeyboard would be ignored if a fire button
was being pressed.
Pete
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#: 4843 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Jul-90  20:46:57
Sb: #4831-#Mouse vs. Keyboard
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
That's what it was--not a sticky mouse button, but one with a book sitting on
it.  (This is the point where Kevin is supposed to nag me to clean my room.
<grin>)
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#: 4849 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Jul-90  01:21:52
Sb: #4843-Mouse vs. Keyboard
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
CLEAN YOUR ROOM!!!!!
Kev (the Nag ;-)

#: 4851 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Jul-90  12:06:30
Sb: OOPS
Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
To: Wayne Day
Please disregard the earlier message about not finding the OS9 sig.
Appaarently, I was having trouble with the 'go os9' thingy. Thanks.

#: 4852 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Jul-90  18:37:11
Sb: #ZAP
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: ALL
Hi Folks--Does anyone know of a Zap type program that will read a disk
regardless of format. One that will read the bits and come back and say heres
this garbage if it means anything to you great but I dont understand it. I
hatried reading damaged disks with the zap programs I have and some sectors it
just will not read. I am looking for something which will return whats there
and not try to make sense or order out of it.
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#: 4855 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Jul-90  22:12:10
Sb: #4852-#ZAP
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
dEd or the standard dump utility will do it for you. Just specify the "entire
device" with the file specifier /dd@ (note the@ at the end of the device name.)
Zack
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#: 4912 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Jul-90  19:21:40
Sb: #4855-ZAP
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
thanks Zack--I have Ded but I never tried that format. Thanks!

#: 4876 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Jul-90  20:44:12
Sb: #EdPtrs
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: all
I just uploaded EdPtrs.pak, a program that lets you edit graphical pointers.
However, I forgot to mention in the description that Kevin Darling's GFX2 and
Devid Breeding's GFX3 modules are required.
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#: 4878 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Jul-90  22:00:21
Sb: #4876-EdPtrs
Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
I'll try to squeeze it into the file description for you Joe. Thanks for the
upload!
Mike

#: 4881 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Jul-90  23:44:59
Sb: #Ledger
Fm: David Sanchez 76200,2476
To:  76264,142 (X)
Joseph,
I have downloaded your Basic09 Program called Ledger and am running into
difficulties running it.
It seems that when I invoke the program per the manual, I get an ERROR 043.
Since I have tried to run the program by the manual, I assume I have something
wrong with my set-up.
I am using the CoCo 3 with 512K. I have tried running the program using the
stock Shell and also, after downloading and installing Shell+, I have gotten
the same error. I further assume that the ERROR 043 is a Basic09 error which
translates to "Unknown Procedure" according to my OS9 Level II Docs. I have
both Basic09 and RunB in my execution (/dd/cmds) directory.
I was hoping you, or someone else could shed some light and help me out as I do
not know much about the technical ins and outs of Basic09 or even OS9 for that
matter.
Any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
David
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#: 4923 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Jul-90  00:17:06
Sb: #4881-#Ledger
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: David Sanchez 76200,2476 (X)
David, you may not have SysCall and GFX2 in your current execution directory,
or (preferrably) merged with RunB.  If not, the best thing to do is merge
SysCall and GFX2 with RunB (at the end).  Try this and see if it works.
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#: 4935 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Jul-90  23:33:27
Sb: #4923-Ledger
Fm: David Sanchez 76200,2476
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
Joseph,
Ok, but is there any specific reason RunB should be at the end? I haven't
merged them until last night but RunB was not at the end. All seems to be OK
except for one small thing, which is minor.
It seems that when I am listing to the screen, some items are highlighted. I
thought at first it was just deposits but checks written are also highlighted
and it some are highlighted with different colors. I use a monochrome monitor
and the different shades, while legible, it just seems a little strange. If it
were only deposits and they all stayed the same shade it would be great.
Don't get me wrong, though. It is a nice program. What are the possibilities of
having reconciliations and editing in future versions. That would be nice too.
Anyway, thanks for the program. I intend to use it a great deal. With the
amount of checks we write, it is nice to know that we can do a quick search
when tracking down a payment or something.
Thanks again,
David

#: 4882 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Jul-90  00:37:56
Sb: #Ledger runs
Fm: David Sanchez 76200,2476
To:  76264,142 (X)
Joseph,
It was amazing. For some strange reason, I was thinking of the inkey procedure
on the Basic09 disk. I had an off-the-wall thought that maybe your program had
used that procedure and could not find it in my execution directory. I copied
inkey to my exec directory but still got the same error.
However, when I copied the procedure, i noticed syscall. I then went back and
copied syscall, gfx and gfx2 to my exec directory and Bingo!, the Ledger
program came to life.
I really don't know which of the files is being used but I am sure by trial and
error I will find out. Reading my Lev II docs would help, I'm sure.
Anyway, got it running and learning more about OS9 and Basic09 at the same
time. Thanks for getting my attention with Ledger, it has given me a chance (or
reason) for "cracking the books" and learning more.
Thanks to all of you who would have or are still going to respond. I greatly
appreciate the help.
David
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#: 4889 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Jul-90  07:37:22
Sb: #4882-#Ledger runs
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: David Sanchez 76200,2476 (X)
David,
Since syscal is your 'portal' to the operating system, and Inkey handles
scanning the keyboard for input, I'm betting those are the culprits.
Most folks recommend merging syscall,Inkey, gfx and gfx2 with RunB. You'll save
valuable system resources as well as being assured of having everything you
need, when you need it.
Steve
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#: 4919 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Jul-90  22:27:41
Sb: #4889-Ledger runs
Fm: David Sanchez 76200,2476
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
Steve,
Thanks for the info and advice. I'll merge them asap.
David

#: 4884 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Jul-90  01:15:42
Sb: #SCSI drives
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: all
I've been paging through the Computer Shopper checking out prices of hard
drives and it's getting me pretty confused. Of course, the fact that all the
advertisers there understand are MS-DOS machines doesn't help. And I dread the
day I call one of them and tell them what my machine is (it will be an MM/1).
Anyway, here are the questions:
1. When they talk about a SCSI drive, does this mean that a controller is
included? Or just that the drive will work with a SCSI controller? For example,
one ad lists a ST-125N-1 Seagate drive. Then it has a price for "alone", "8bit
XT Kit" and "16Bit AT Kit". The difference between the "alone" and "kit" prices
is about $30.00. So what is in the kit? Perhaps a MS-DOS type host adaptor?
2. I see SCSI controller cards (eg Seagate ST02) for XT/AT systems. Will these
work on something like the MM/1. Will I need a special SCSI drive to use one?
3. If I get a drive with a builtin controller would I be able to add SCSI
devices to my system later? How? Add to the host in the computer, or chain of
the existing drive?
4. I read some messages the other day about 512 byte and 256 byte sectors on
SCSI drives. Is this not something that is adjustable when the things are
formatted? Or does it depend on the drive?
This all seems to be quite complex to a software guy like me. Perhaps someone
in the know can do a brief primer on the subject and post it...
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#: 4909 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Jul-90  18:25:54
Sb: #4884-#SCSI drives
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
Sounds like Scott can fix you up (with answers, also). In the meantime,
simplified: a bus (usually via a cable) with devices hooked to it...
 SCSI
 cable
  0||<--> adapter <--> computer (computer often acts like controller)
  1||<--> separate SCSI/HD controller <-> drive1,drive2
  2||<--> embedded SCSI controller on hard drive
  3||<--> embedded SCSI controller on hard drive
  4||<--> embedded SCSI controller on tape drive
  5||<--> adapter <--> perhaps another computer
   || etc
Actually, "adapter" is misleading, as what you really have is just another SCSI
controller on the bus.... specific to the computer. Those embedded SCSI
controllers are likewise specific to the HD/tape/etc drive that they are part
of. So...
1. Right. "SCSI drive" means the controller is embedded in with the actual
drive electronics. So you just need to hook it via a cable [see 2,3 above]. A
regular ST506 HD (or often, several) can be hooked up to a standalone SCSI/HD
controller also, for example an Adaptec 4070 [see 1 above].
2. No, those cards are for a PC bus. The second expansion board on the MM/1 has
a SCSI interface, which means any SCSI drive hooks up with a 50-pin cable and
you're rolling.
3. Sure. You can have up to 7 SCSI devices on the cable (8, counting the main
computer). Each one has jumpers to set its "device ID" number.
4. I think some drives now are set to 512-bytes/sector, and you can't change it
(PClone influence there). Older drives allowed changing (like my old Rodime
20meg SCSI HD... it could be set to almost any size.. so I used 256 for my
CoCo).
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#: 4947 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-Jul-90  01:31:24
Sb: #4909-#SCSI drives
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin,
Thanks for the SCSI dope.
I called a supplier the other day to get some prices and info. He told me (in a
very knowing way) that the controller board WAS needed with a SCSI drive and
that the ST01 controller was *both* a host AND a controller (just like the MFN
controllers...). Guess that is why he is still selling IBM-type stuff <grin>.
Now I'll have to decide what size of HD I'll be needing. The fellow I talked to
offered a 110meg drive for 900+ $$. That's too much for sure--plus, then a tape
backup would be essential. Can you imagine backing up that much data onto
floppies! With prices as they are probably something around 30meg seems to be
reasonable.
So the cable acts like a bus and the devices have select pins (I guess like
floppies do right now). Is it possible to connect more than 8 devices to a
system? (Not that I'll be able to afford that many, but...).
Am I right in assuming that in order to hook up a "normal" disk drive to the
SCSI "bus" one would need a SCSI controller card for the drive? I guess that
the select would be on the controller, not the drive.
Okay, this is starting to make sense. Thanks.
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#: 4948 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-Jul-90  04:16:35
Sb: #4947-#SCSI drives
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
Righto... you'd need a scsi controller with it's own floppy drive 'adapter'
section, to use regular floppy drives. Perhaps embedded-scsi floppies will
become popular one day. Never know.
There's an extension to scsi which allows selecting up to 256 devices, but no
one uses it that i know about. Right now, the 8-bit data bus is used to
indicate who's talking to whom (each bit is the flag for one device)... which
is where the limitation comes from. [The data bus bits are used this way only
during the initial phase of making communication each time controllers wish to
talk to each other... otherwise they're data bits].
Yah, that dealer you talked to was selling scsi systems, but not really scsi
drives, in the way most people mean now.
Sidenote: os9 descriptor info doesn't mean much with embedded scsi drives...
because the drives themselves know how many heads/cylinders they have <grin>.
Basically, you need only tell an embedded drive to format itself, read or
write. It figures out the internal stuff itself, of course.
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#: 4958 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-Jul-90  16:01:19
Sb: #4948-SCSI drives
Fm: JOHN R. WAINWRIGHT 72517,676
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
For Bob:  Thanks for asking my questions for  me! For Kevin: Thanks for the
usual prompt reply.
   JohnW

#: 4999 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-Jul-90  15:19:19
Sb: #4948-#SCSI drives
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin,
Actually, when in the course of our talks with Capitol Video I asked them what
their chief aggravations were in simulating CD-I titles, one of their biggest
complaints was that OS-9/UNIX could not actaully determine the PHYSICAL sectors
that were barfing in the CD-I image. The SCSI controller remapped all the bad
sectors out, and made the drive seem,once again, logically intact. Interesting
.... and somewhat of a future problem for multimedia moguls simulating their
applications off of hard drives.
I guess the biggest problem (although I really am NOT sure) is that, when
reading a realtime file with interleaved audio/video, the heads on the SCSI
drive actually reseek to find that remmapped sector, causing a hiccup, I guess.
Paul
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#: 5034 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-Jul-90  20:36:02
Sb: #4999-#SCSI drives
Fm: Mark S 76004,373
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
These guys are in for a big shock then. A CD drive can only deliver raw data a
150K per sec, by the time the computer gets it. It is closer to 130K per sec. A
SCSI HD should be deliving 600-800K per sec, a re-seek is meaning less at that
speed. And on top of that the SCSI simulation will not deliver the P-Q
subchannels. Having worked for the past 2 months on a CD-ROM design time I can
vouch for those figures.
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#: 5071 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Jul-90  12:17:53
Sb: #5034-#SCSI drives
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Mark S 76004,373 (X)
Mark,
Well! Thanks for the info! The real virtue of CD technology right now is the
storage volume, not the transfer rate or seek time. CD-I is really running up
against some bottlenecks on this, causing some grey hairs. Part of the problem
is CD technology, and the other part has been Philips Green Book spec, which
tried to specify that all titles be written to assume some incredibly long seek
time. Apparently, Philips wanted to antipate the creation of portable CD-I
devices that had slower mechanical performance. I understand that the Green
Book has since been slightly revised in that regard.
Still, even 130K per second is not bad -- and I know a couple of engineers that
are working with multimedia computers that have ways to smooth multimedia apps
over that hump. It DOES require DMA, SCSI, and caching.
Paul
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#: 5094 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Jul-90  20:38:09
Sb: #5071-SCSI drives
Fm: Mark S 76004,373
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
The seek times are indeed long however if the drive file structure is optimized
for to reduce distance between the files the timing is bearable. I to have been
working with DMA and Caching, but the problems in a MMU related environment are
very nasty. I have had direct conversations with Philips in the Netherlands and
There person here in the US who defined the SCSI CD-ROM implimentation. After
our conversation They agreed there Standard was flawed. This leaves us with the
inability to use a SCSI approach for any thing approaching CD-ROM Multimedia at
the level that users will expect to have.

#: 4936 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-Jul-90  00:18:10
Sb: Unzip problem
Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
To: anyone
       I've been having a problem using UNZIP. Usually I unzip files
  I download from BBS's from a floppy disk onto a ramdisk. Now and
  then, my system will lock up; sparklies on the screen, random junk
  here and there; a reboot is required. I know the ramdisk is not
  near full. Has anyone else had this problem?
                      ???,
                             Paul

#: 4959 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-Jul-90  16:02:00
Sb: Ledger/no prob after all
Fm: David Sanchez 76200,2476
To:  76264,142
Joseph,
After further investigation I see why some of the entries are highlighted.
Negative Balances! Great! The minor problem I saw was just a frame of mind I
guess. Now that I see the reasoning behind it, it is not strange at all.
Again, thanks for the program,
David

#: 5039 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-Jul-90  02:25:56
Sb: #Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: all
   Has anyone messed around with converting the CoCo3 to a ROM based OS9
system? What would be involved or is it even possible ? Does it just involve
putting some EPROMS in the memory map in place of some of the RAM ?
   The purpose of putting OS9 in EPROM is to come up with an inexpensive
dedicated home controller.
   Any help or ideas are welcomed.
   Larry Olson
   72227,3467
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#: 5043 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-Jul-90  10:00:35
Sb: #5039-#Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)
Larry -
The only catch is that you'd have to use a larger EPROM... say 32K. Even on
most ROM based OS9 systems (well, the early ones), only the OS9p1 and Boot code
reside in ROM/EPROM. The rest is dragged in with the OS9Boot file. I'd say that
you might even be able to get away with a 16K EPROM if you were using an
extremely shaved down system.
Pete
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#: 5044 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-Jul-90  14:15:14
Sb: #5043-#Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Pete,
     I guess I have to do some more thinking about what I want. I was thinking
along the lines of eliminating the floppy drives, but after some more thought I
guess the drives would make it alot easier to change/update any of the control
routines. Maybe I should be thinking along the lines of a solid-state drive
with battery backup. Another possibility I guess would be to modify the CoCo3
so that if the power drops out the memory would be saved by a battery backup
system. I'm just not sure how OS9 would react. If a circuit detected that the
power has fallen below a set point, and this circuit then put the memory on
battery power while killing the power to the rest of the computer, how would
OS9 react when the power was restored? Would it start up from where it left off
?
   Just thinking out loud
      Larry Olson
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#: 5045 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-Jul-90  16:03:50
Sb: #5044-#Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)
Larry - in an MOTD not long ago, there was an article about a greenhouse
controller built around a coco-3 and os9. What they did was to use that 512K
battery-backed ram you see advertised in Rainbow. It was their ramdisk and boot
device. That allowed them to change things around, but still always reboot
after a power failure.
It might also be possible to write a special interrupt-driven driver, which
would be triggered by a coming power loss.... it would save out the entire
state of the machine to ramdisk (probably to a partition so it doesn't go thru
rbf) and set a flag for the reboot routine to reload that saved state and
return as if nothing had ever happened. Altho you'd probably want to note it in
the logbook <grin>.
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#: 5057 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Jul-90  02:43:10
Sb: #5045-Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Keven,  Thanks, I had forgotten about that article in MOTD. (oops i not e)
      Maybe you wouldn't need to worry about saving the current state if all
the state flags were on the ramdisk and all the program did was read and/or
update these flags. The program could be autostarted after reboot and just
start reading the sensors and checking/setting state flags.
   Have to give this some more thought......
   Larry

#: 5084 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Jul-90  16:23:42
Sb: #5044-Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
Larry -
I'd say best bet is to let the system reboot, and then have a startup script
(and other measures... say CRON based backups) that help you recover from the
power failure.
Pete

#: 5088 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Jul-90  17:39:33
Sb: Sound files
Fm: James Whitaker 70355,431
To: All
I have uploded 6 more sound files for the PLAY command to Data Library 10. They
are: playit.pak, whodid.pak, snatch.pak, itsliv.pak, meltin.pak, and
frnkly.pak.

#: 5090 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Jul-90  19:09:53
Sb: Arc/Unarc Coco 3
Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
To: Sysop (X)
Is there any documentation on "arc.os9" for a Coco 3? I can unarc a file with
it ok, but can't seem to get the right command or pathlist to arc a file My
command line was (using () for slash marks): (D0)arc.os9 -u (D1)Clair.ume Do I
have to supply a destination file? or does the tool ask for one before arcing?
Thanks, Denise
Press <CR> !>

#: 5098 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Jul-90  23:38:25
Sb: #5090-#Arc/Unarc Coco 3
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274 (X)
Denise -
Do you mean AR? If so, then the syntax is:
  ar -u  arfilename  file1 file2 file3 ...
where the files to be archived (file1, file2, etc) are in the current data
directory. So for example, to archive "/d1/clair.ume" to /d0, use:
 chd /d1
 ar -u /d0/clair clair.ume
That'll place a file called "clair.ar" on /d0, with /d1/clair.ume inside.
 best - kev
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#: 5122 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Jul-90  18:12:00
Sb: #5098-Arc/Unarc Coco 3
Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Thanks for the very good explanation. Huggs, Denise

#: 5103 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Jul-90  02:35:25
Sb: #5084-#Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Pete,
       Yes, more and more that sounds like the way to go. Too make it really
bullet proof I think the program will have to have the ability to recover from
a crash and carry on as if nothing happened,( other than noteing and keeping on
file the time(s) that the computer had to reboot).
    Have you given any thought about putting your GIMIX too work in a strickly
home control situation. I remember you played around with those power control
modules a while ago.
    I have been following the articles on the CEBus(EIA Home Automation
Standard), that have been appearing in Circuit Cellar Ink, and I am really
excited about the possibilities that this standard will bring about. I think
Microware should be trying to get OS9(k) embedded into this system, talk about
making OS9 a household word.
  Larry
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#: 5109 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Jul-90  08:51:54
Sb: #5103-#Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)
I wished I'd saved the article, but apparently Philips, Sony, and a bunch of
others have agreed to work on a home control standard... and I don't think it's
CEBus-based. If I can find the text again, I'll post it.
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#: 5135 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Jul-90  01:49:21
Sb: #5109-#Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin,   That article would be interesting. Were they talking about more or
less about making a standard IR control for all the TV,VCR,STEREO and things
like that or did it also control mundane things like coffee pot,
microwave,toaster which if it is implemented the CEBus could control.
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#: 5143 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Jul-90  06:29:25
Sb: #5135-#Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)
Larry, I just looked... I musta deleted the file. If I recall correctly, they
were going after everything down to toasters and fridges, yah. I think they
were going to come up with something pretty quickly, too... like by the end of
this year. Which means they probably have been working on it for some time now.
Seems like the article said that a whole slew of Japanese companies had signed
up, also.
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#: 5155 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Jul-90  13:37:12
Sb: #5143-Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin,
      The EIA (CEBus) standard is also supposed to be finalized by the end of
the year also.  Veerryy inntteerreessttiinngg
  Oh oh ... a laugh-in flash back
 Larry

#: 5111 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Jul-90  09:13:17
Sb: #5103-#Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)
Larry -
The GIMIX was involved in home control,although it was with the X10 Powerhouse
(IBM/Serial version).
I'm not familiar with the CEBUS - care to give me some references?
Pete
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#: 5136 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Jul-90  02:18:46
Sb: #5111-#Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Pete,
    One place to get the latest info would be:
      EIA CEBus Proposed Specification
          EIA Standards Sales Dept.
          1722 Eye St. NW
          Washington, DC    20006
   For someone with money burning a hole in their pocket or can somehow write
the cost off, there is a INSTALLER'S GUIDE to CEBus HOME AUTOMATION ,put out
 by Parks Associates.
    Excerpts from their ad:
      This manual provides detailed instruction on the backbone wiring that
will interconnect the electronic home of the 90s.
   Emphasizes CEBus and its application for sercurity, entertainment, lighting,
telecommunications, and energy management. Designed for on-site use, with
clear, easy-to-use instructions, including graphics and diagrams. Written by
Diablo Research, it reveals "insider" information on how to wire for current
and future automation products and services.
    This is available for $149.00 from Parks Associates.
 They only have a number to call to place an order for the manual.
  (214)369-5581 of fax (214)369-5582
   It looks like this would be a must have for anyone in the process of
building a house and would like to WIRE the house as it is being built.
   If you can get ahold of the August/September 1989 issue of CIRCUIT CELLAR
INK (issue #10), there is a good article on the CEBus, also issue #15 JUNE/JULY
1990 gives more info plus some changes that have been made in the proposed
standard.
  Larry
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#: 5148 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Jul-90  09:44:28
Sb: #5136-#Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)
Larry -
Thanks for the information. I'll start by digging out those old Byte magazines.
Pete
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#: 5156 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Jul-90  13:52:27
Sb: #5148-Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Pete,
   Circuit Cellar Ink is not associated with Byte magazine. Steve Ciarcia left
Byte and started his own magazine. Appearently I wasn't the only one that
didn't like the direction Byte was going.
   The first issue of Circuit Cellar Ink came out in January 1988 and from my
view it gets better with eack issue. If you enjoyed Steve's articles in Byte,
then you would love this magazine.
   The magazine is bi-monthly,$14.95 per year
     Circuit Cellar Ink
      P.O. box 3050-C
     Southeastern, PA  19398
or   (215) 630-1914
 There is also a Circuit Cellar BBS
      (203) 871-1988 24hrs.,300/1200/2400, 8bits, no parity, 1 stop bit
Larry

#: 5164 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Jul-90  19:57:59
Sb: #5148-Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: Shawn Thomas 76226,3237
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
Pete-  I just this morning saw a news article on my local station on CEBus.
(San Francisco, KRON-TV)  There is a test house just outside of the city that
is completely CEBus driven.  All house current, door and window locks, the
whole shabang.  Was very interesting.  Everything was controlled from a simple
little remote, with a system console in a little nook in the kitchen.  It was
very impresive.
Shawn

#: 5117 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Jul-90  16:33:08
Sb: #5094-#SCSI drives
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Mark S 76004,373 (X)
Mark,
So, what alternatives do you suggest?
This might require a real, honest-to-gott phone call, you know! <grin>
Paul
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#: 5129 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Jul-90  21:00:03
Sb: #5117-#SCSI drives
Fm: Mark S 76004,373
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
The only alternative is to design a new Hardware leve interface in the same
kind of manner that CD-I has. Of course with Orange Book standard about to
emerge from Philips there realy is very little choice. In fact Sony Is already
in design of there new CD-ROM DSP to solve most of there problems, bout you
wont be able to use a SCSI interface to talk to it. The more you learn the more
you find out what you don't know.
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#: 5139 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Jul-90  06:06:19
Sb: #5129-#SCSI drives
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Mark S 76004,373 (X)
Orange Book? What's that one gonna be for?? thx - kev
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#: 5146 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Jul-90  07:35:33
Sb: #5139-#SCSI drives
Fm: Mark S 76004,373
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Real time video decompresion, interlaces audio/video compressed format I may
have some special roughting file capability to declare DSP/Nurel-net tasks. I
have some reference documents but no spec yet. It may also be processor
independant.
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#: 5158 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Jul-90  16:40:09
Sb: #5146-#SCSI drives
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Mark S 76004,373 (X)
Thanks. So the Orange Book spec would be for the consumer version of CD-I? Or
is it more general purpose than that?
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#: 5163 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Jul-90  19:31:59
Sb: #5158-SCSI drives
Fm: Mark S 76004,373
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
Its realy the next level after green book. CD-I is the consumer version. The
only real problem with CD-I is it is so late that there are other hardware
option avalable now so a superior product can be built at a lower hardware
cost. If it had come out in 87 it would be a different story. But technology
marches on. How are the Cats these days.

#: 5134 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Jul-90  01:44:49
Sb: #4948-#SCSI drives
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin,
I've just gotten some more info on SASI, etc. and I was correct in my last
message--the guy I talked to didn't know what he was talking about. Guess
that's what happens when you get to immersed in the MS-DOS world....
Speaking of SASI, what other kind of devices are around for this "bus"? I know
there are hard drives, CD rom and tape backup. Anything else? \ex post
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#: 5141 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Jul-90  06:11:03
Sb: #5134-#SCSI drives
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
Hmmm. Good Q. Well, I know of someone working on a SCSI-based video digitizer
(I should check up on his progress - thx for reminder). He figures that way it
can be used on almost any computer out there. Pretty smart idea.
And I'm not positive, but I think I read of scsi-bus floppy drives before...
tho I don't recall where and haven't seen any real mention since.
Perhaps someone else here knows of more scsi based devices! Hackers (thanks to
Steve Ciarcia, ex of BYTE mag) are starting to make their stuff hook to scsi
these days, for instance... because its an open port and available on the
several computers they might have.
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#: 5150 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Jul-90  09:53:41
Sb: #5141-#SCSI drives
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev -
For whatever it's worth, I just got done integrating some systems for the Air
Force, and the OCR's, scanners, and hi-res (4096 x 4096 x 12) digitizers we
selected either use the serial port or a GPIB (IEEE-488) interface. Haven't
stumbled across too many SCSI's.
Pete
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#: 5159 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Jul-90  16:40:56
Sb: #5150-SCSI drives
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Thanks Pete! That makes sense to me!

#: 5162 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Jul-90  18:31:18
Sb: Memory Size Testing
Fm: DENNIS SKALA 73177,2365
To:  76703,4227
Kev,
How can a program (specifically, a device driver) tell how much memory a Coco 3
has?  Now I infer from your book that block #0 direct page $A3 is intended to
distinguish between a 128K and a 512K machine.  But what about the Disto memory
upgrade?  Have you hacked cc3go (or whatever) to code the existance of 1 Meg
memory into low memory?  What about Chris Burke's 256K machines?  Do you know
if he flagged that into low memory?
                          ***** Dennis *****
Press <CR> !>

#: 5174 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-Jul-90  00:20:00
Sb: #5129-SCSI drives
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Mark S 76004,373 (X)
"The more you learn, the more you find out what you don't know" -observation!
Wonder what the license fee will be for the Orange book, and what can you tell
mo about it?
Paul

#: 5176 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-Jul-90  00:58:22
Sb: #5163-SCSI drives
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Mark S 76004,373 (X)
Cats are great... one is scratching at my door now, in fact. Added a few more
over the months, of course <grin>. How are your two (?) cats doing?
Thx for the info on the Philips spec. Re: CD-I.. they shoulda started selling
the units first, then let people upgrade later to the coming units with the
fullmotion video stuff. They still got a good shot at the market tho, I think.
What competition is there? Commodore's CDTV will be out this fall, so we'll
see.

#: 5188 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-Jul-90  12:02:33
Sb: #5135-#Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)
Larry;
  To add to Shawn's reply, the 2-3 minute tv blurb (complete with cute baby)
stated that ALL the electrical/electronic stuff in the home was capable of
being controlled by the CEBus & controller.  Diablo Systems is the
developer/mfg.  Not sure of the city, but I'd bet that they're in Concord, CA
or someplace nearby.  Will try and find out if you're interested.
  TV spot had short scenes of family watching TV - doorbell rings & display
switches to front door camera;  commercial comes on - display switches to
baby's room;  garage door activated in AM - controller says to house "ok,
family has gone, start dishwasher, power down unneeded lights, etc., set
thermostat back, ... "
  Wife's comment : "It wasn't hard to learn ... I don't know how I got along
without it before!"
  Looks v*e*r*y promising.
..Jim
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#: 5215 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Jul-90  00:21:26
Sb: #5188-Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
Jim,
    I haven't seen any demos or ad's like that for the CEBus, but from the
descriptions Steve Ciarcia has been giving in his articles, it does sound very
promising.
  Larry

#: 5191 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-Jul-90  12:36:16
Sb: #5164-Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Shawn Thomas 76226,3237
Shawn -
Slick! I've found over the years the problem is getting OTHERS to adopt it as
the norm as well. For example, Marsha _still_ has to ask me what the light
number is for the studio, dining room, etc.... Every now and then I still find
stuff manually turned off. I thought about cheating all of the off/on switches,
but....
Pete

#: 5210 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-Jul-90  22:08:06
Sb: #5044-#Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)
Our UPS for our mainframe is the source of its power.  The mainframe IS running
off the UPS batteries all the time.  The power lines from the electric company
are constantly recharging the Uninteruptible Power Supply batteries.  That way
when a power outage occurs there is NO switch over to worry about that might
cause a glitch of some kind.
   If you could get a UPS for your CoCo that could maintain the system during a
typical outage (probably 1 to 5 minutes in most cases), and the system was
contantly running off the batteries and the incoming current was constantly
feeding the UPS recharge circuits, then it would be smooth sailing or
monitoring or controlling...
Just a thought, anyway.
Lee
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#: 5217 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Jul-90  00:43:39
Sb: #5210-#Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: Lee Veal 74726,1752
Lee,
  You are right, that would completely end the power/down, power/up, reboot,
problems, I just didn't think of going that route I guess because I had the
idea that a UPS to handle the system would be awfully expensive.
  Maybe I should look again....
 Larry
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#: 5219 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Jul-90  02:01:53
Sb: #5217-#Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)
UPS' do cost a lot, but the coco itself can be run off batteries for a few
hours (depends on battery... I've seen a cig-pack sized nicad run one for 3
hours or so).
I saw an interesting new UPS in Computer Shopper (I think) a few weeks back. It
was a regular PClone power supply box style! Pretty slick. Forgot price.
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#: 5234 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Jul-90  16:30:40
Sb: #5219-Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin,  After that message from Lee I been going through some old Computer
Shopper's to see what was available but so far all I've seen are model numbers
and prices, no descriptions or specs, so I'm still not sure what price level
I'd be looking at. I guess I'll have to send some requests for more detailed
information.
  I guess I should go buy a new Computer Shopper, just looked at the date on
the last one I bought(December 89), there has probably been a few new items in
the last 6 months. I quit buying Computer Shopper when they couldn't find room
in their 800+ pages for even a half a page on the Color Computer.
   Larry

#: 5211 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-Jul-90  22:28:37
Sb: #5044-#Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)
An addendum after reading some other replies.  If a running UPS was used as I
described earlier, then you could still have a process that monitored the
incoming power line, if it went dead, then a flag could be set that told the
process to check the line again in 30 seconds.  If it was back up, then simply
reset the flag and go back to sleep and wait for your normal power line
checking interval to pop.  If the incoming power is still down in thirty
seconds, then increment a counter, got to sleep, and wake up in 30 seconds to
check it again.  After the counter being incremented has reached a value which
is comensurate with the UPS's ability to keep the system up properly, then a
critical phase has been reached, where drastic measures must be taken. What are
those drastic measures?  Whatever things that must be done to "save" the system
status somewhere (possibly in a static RAM buffer) in preparation for the
impending doom.  The check routine could then go into a "save" routine each
time that it "found" that it still alive and kicking.  Of course, it would
still be checking the incoming power source, too, just in case power was
restored.
Is it do-able?  Or unthinkable?
Lee
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#: 5218 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Jul-90  01:04:22
Sb: #5211-Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: Lee Veal 74726,1752
Lee,
    Sounds do-able, I guess at this point I need to start playing around with
connecting this computer to the outside world.
Larry

#: 5194 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-Jul-90  13:07:47
Sb: #5039-#Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)
~ Well I have a file on my BBS that lets you put REL,Boot,OS9p1 into a ROM and
allows you to boot OS9 from floppy (the mentioned modules are the kernal which
are not in the OS9Boot file) that avoids the reading of track 34 and auto-boots
OS9. However if you could get a large eprom or make an array of ROMS there
shouldn't be a reason why you can't do it
Mikere
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#: 5216 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Jul-90  00:32:10
Sb: #5194-Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
Mike,
    Is that file available here? Sounds like that file would be a good pump
primer. I'll have to see if I have your BBS number.
  Larry

#: 5201 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-Jul-90  16:54:20
Sb: #5162-#Memory Size Testing
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: DENNIS SKALA 73177,2365 (X)
Dennis -
F$GBlkMp returns the info you need; including the block size, which is needed
if your driver were to work on other OS9 systems.
However, the buffer size required is a lot to ask from system space... and you
said that this was for the coco3 only, so:
Look in the direct page variables, and you can determine where and how big the
block map is.
 $0040-41 D.BlkMap - points to start of block map
 $0042-43 [noname] - points to end of block map + 1
128,256, and 512K coco's will have those set to $0200 and $0240... that is, $40
blocks of RAM. The trick is, the smaller memory machines will have "NotRAM"
($80) bytes set in some of the blockmap. By subtracting out the number of
notram blocks, you can figure up total memory size. The 1024K machines will
have a blockmap size of $80 ($0200-0280).
So: total blocks = [$0042] - [$0040] - (number of blocks in map set to $80).
    total RAM    = total blocks * 8K
Refs: NotRAM defined in os9defs. D.BlkMap on page 2-1-3 my book. Blockmap
example on page 2-1-5 my book. [noname] not defined anywhere <grin>.
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#: 5214 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-Jul-90  23:18:08
Sb: #5201-Memory Size Testing
Fm: DENNIS SKALA 73177,2365
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
OK, thanks Kev -- that sounds like it'll do the trick.
                      ***** Dennis *****

#: 5223 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Jul-90  10:31:02
Sb: #5201-Memory Size Testing
Fm: DENNIS SKALA 73177,2365
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Yup - determining machine memory is indeed an easy task when you know that the
end address of the memory block table is available.  All the rest of the needed
info is fairly well-documented.
What other undocumented info are you privy to?  An update of the tables in your
book would be nice.  How 'bout it?  Please??? <whining here - grin>
                                    ***** Dennis *****

#: 5229 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Jul-90  12:19:21
Sb: #4881-Ledger
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: David Sanchez 76200,2476
David;
  Just guessing here, but it looks like Ledger is calling Syscall, GFX2, or
Inkey.  I've run into this before and while I don't know the technical re,sons
why you would get an 043 error, I do know that by merging the above 3
procedures, the error has never come back.
  Here's the way I do it:
echo Creating alias modules...
cd /dd/CMDS
merge gfx2 syscall cnkey >temp
attr temp e pe
rename gfx2 gfx2.orig
rename syscall syscall.orig
rename inkey inkey.orig
copy temp gfx2
copy temp syscall
rename temp inkey
echo Gfx2, Syscall and Inkey alias modules created.
 Try this and see if your troubles don't go away.
 ...Jim

#: 5239 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Jul-90  21:15:26
Sb: CM-8 service manual?
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: All
Is there a service manual for the CM-8?  The reason I ask is that my CM-8 could
definitely use adjustment for convergence.  One can readily see some red and
blue fringes--not bad, but noticeable, especially on magenta areas, and I would
like to get as good an image as I can from this beastie.

#: 5242 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Jul-90  22:21:26
Sb: #QIC 40 Tape Drive
Fm: NAM PUI 73347,3324
To: All
I am in search of a tape backup system. Is there any QIC 40 software for OS9 L
II? an Any suggestion as to how one can get one working on the COCO3? Ta Thanks
in advance for any info you may have.
                   Nam
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#: 5243 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Jul-90  00:16:23
Sb: #5242-QIC 40 Tape Drive
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: NAM PUI 73347,3324
Nam - I don't believe there is yet. Several people have looked into it (me
included), but the docs are really tough going and vague, and I believe it
requires the full attention of the cpu, anyway. Have SCSI tape drives come down
in price lately?
Press <CR> !>

#: 5251 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Jul-90  06:11:24
Sb: #5239-CM-8 service manual?
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
James,
You can order the service manual from Radio Shack.  I have one and it is pretty
complete, as are all the RS service manuals.  The color convergence procedure
is fairly short, but you need a program to generate a crosshatch pattern. 
Should be simple enough.
Mark

#: 5255 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Jul-90  12:49:32
Sb: #5223-#Memory Size Testing
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: DENNIS SKALA 73177,2365 (X)
Nah, that one unusual thing (D.BlkMap+2 = end of map) with no name is about all
I can think of which isn't documented somewhere... and normally no one has a
need for it. Which reminds me <grin>, whatcha up to?
There is 1 Reply.

#: 5266 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Jul-90  20:31:56
Sb: #5255-Memory Size Testing
Fm: DENNIS SKALA 73177,2365
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
Well, what I'm up to here is to make my/Microcom's Coco ramdisk compatible with
the Disto memory.  No complaints yet, but should be easy enough.
Other than that, I'm not up to much of anything --- just trying to make a buck
in the everyday job.
                            ***** Dennis *****

#: 5256 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Jul-90  14:12:02
Sb: #4935-Ledger
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: David Sanchez 76200,2476
RunB doesn't have to be at the end, perhaps I just listed it at the end
accidentally.  As long as it is in memory when you run ledger or is in the
execution directory under the name RunB (with RunB being the FIRST module) it
will work fine.

#: 5257 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Jul-90  14:13:44
Sb: #4959-Ledger/no prob after all
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: David Sanchez 76200,2476
glad to see you figured it out.  yes, editing is planned for a future version,
and also budgeting.  If you have any other problems, please let me know and I
will try to assist you.

#: 5264 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Jul-90  18:38:41
Sb: #5217-Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
"Awfully expensive" is, of course, relative.  Seems like I remember that Radio
Shack used to carry a UPS that would keep up on of the Model 16 behemoths for
about 15-30 minutes.  The price in relation to the Mdl 16 was a drop in the
bucket, as I recall, but to a CoCoist it might seem out of reach. It's been too
long ago for me to quote a price, besides, I'm not even sure they carry them
anymore.
Lee

#: 5265 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Jul-90  19:44:15
Sb: OS9 Level 2 Upgrade?
Fm: KENHEIST 71750,551
To: all
I heard alot and I heard alot and I heard somemore and then I heard nothing so
...... what is the current word on the upgrade of OS9 Level Two???? Anyone
know????? Sure would like some GOOD NEWS!

#: 5282 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Jul-90  03:05:08
Sb: #5264-Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)
Lee,
   I'll have to do some more checking but from the ad's that I have found, the
UPS's that are available are not like the system you were talking about. They
appearently are the type that run the system on line power and switch to the
batteries on a low voltage or outage condition. I get this impression because
they all talk about 1 or 2 ms switching time.   I'm not sure yet about the
price range, I need to sit down and estimate the power requirements, from what
I see so far the cost could be anywhere $200 to $1500 depending on power
needed. If I can slide into the low end, the cost shouldn't be too bad.
 Larry

#: 5285 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Jul-90  04:31:13
Sb: #5266-Memory Size Testing
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: DENNIS SKALA 73177,2365
Sounds great. Don't forget that the 1-meg DAT can't be read back from, btw. If
you need any tech help or info, just yell. - kev

#: 5286 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Jul-90  04:31:27
Sb: #5265-OS9 Level 2 Upgrade?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: KENHEIST 71750,551
I guess the bad news is that it got shunted aside for a while because of the
new 68K machines.
The good news is that the interest kept up enough that the long-delaying docs
are being worked on again. The other good news is that you got a nice slice of
it already via the fast-Grfdrv and gfx2 uploads.
Also, something may be happening which'll put a new slant on this whole deal.
Maybe not. Stay tuned!

#: 5293 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Jul-90  17:51:03
Sb: UUCP testers
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Mark Griffith
Mark,
Have you received an Internet message lately from a guy named
Bob Billson? He's interested in being a UUCP tester, but was
having trouble getting mail over to CIS. His address is
kc2wz@ka2qhd.uucp  or  kc2wz5ka2qhd.tsdiag.ccur.com
He finally managed to get through to me so I assume he has
probably reached you already.
Hugo

#: 5297 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Jul-90  22:53:06
Sb: #5243-#QIC 40 Tape Drive
Fm: NAM PUI 73347,3324
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
o7>% SB>;5,g)|`n92Xsq.<'
Not in the >$280 bracket. However, require the full attention of the CPU is
something I can live with compare to swaping a great number of floppies. Can
this be done under RSDOS?
                                  Nam P.S. foe
There is 1 Reply.

#: 5308 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-Jul-90  04:42:30
Sb: #5297-QIC 40 Tape Drive
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: NAM PUI 73347,3324
Nam - anything can be done. Finding someone to do it is another thing <grin>
tho. You could write the QIC people and ask for all their tech docs... and then
perhaps ask for volunteers or write it yourself.
Personally, unless I had say, monthly data from a business which I wished to
keep stored away, I'd instead get a second hard disk to keep a backup on.
That's what i used to do here. best - kev

#: 5298 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Jul-90  22:56:02
Sb: #5243-QIC 40 Tape Drive
Fm: NAM PUI 73347,3324
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Forget I mentioned RSDOS. It wouldn't know my hard drive exist.
I am have some problem with the phone line. That account for the garbage in the
previous message.
                            Nam

#: 5320 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-Jul-90  13:16:48
Sb: patch needed
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: all
Where might I find the patch to allow 25/200 row-windows on my Level II OS-9? I
cannot seem to locate it.  Thanks.

#: 5333 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-Jul-90  01:36:45
Sb: #Basic09
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Kevin Darling 76703,42
Kevin;
  Help!  I'm not understanding what's happening here!
I've started running MemberDir after capturing the latest messages, and for
some reason, it won't pick up Syscall.  I've got copies of gfx2, Inkey, and
Syscall with all 3 merged into each, bul not RunB.  How come the system won't
pick up Syscall from a packed procedure?  Everything is fine if I pre-load the
3 modules.
  Now for the _really_ strange part... after running MemberDir, and with the 3
modules still in memory, if I try to reply to a message using View, it bombs
out when trying to save the reply with an error 201 - illegal path #. Do you
have any ideas why this is happening??  All the other file I/O functions in
View work O.K. except for the reply path... and this works O.K. if I don't
preload the gfx2, etc. modules.  ??? %-<
  ...Jim
There is 1 Reply.

#: 5335 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-Jul-90  02:29:43
Sb: #5333-#Basic09
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
Jim - wow. I haven't run either one.. perhaps someone can try that out.
The first dealie I might have an idea on. In the merged set in CMDS that you
called "syscall", is syscall the first module? If not, it won't find it right
off, I think.
Got no idea on the View path problem. Does that program ask for another file
name, or use the same file?  The paths command might show something if things
are around long enuf. Luck!
There is 1 Reply.

#: 5417 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Jul-90  11:54:47
Sb: #5335-Basic09
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
Kev;
  You were right on about the gfx2/syscall/inkey thing... I remerged them so
that the first module is the same as the name, and things are working fine now.
On reflection, it makes sense that if a Basic09 program makes a call to say,
SysCall, finds a merged set of modules named syscall in CMDS, and upon loading
it, finds that the first pgm. i.d. is something other than what it's looking
for, an error 43 would be generated.  Simple with hindsight. :-)
  As far as the apparent problem with View goes,nthe only thing that had
changed was the pre-loading of the above 3 modules, and I just don't see how
that would affect paths.  ???   Hafta do some more detective work.
(2 days later) Both View and MemberDir woHk fine now... no more flakiness.
Original question still remains - why would pre-loading gfx2/inkey/syscall
cause a paths error?  I don't see any relationship here.    Anybody??
  Thanks,
    ...Jim

#: 5356 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-Jul-90  11:27:03
Sb: #5216-#Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)
~ My BBS number is 717-586-2771 300-2400 baud 8/N/1 24hrs.
I put up a MM/1 section for the public. to  egin discussions and since I own
one to give observations.
Mike
There is 1 Reply.

#: 5415 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Jul-90  08:54:47
Sb: #5356-Dedicated CoCo3
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
Ok, thanks
 Larry

#: 5365 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-Jul-90  21:40:29
Sb: #5285-Memory Size Testing
Fm: DENNIS SKALA 73177,2365
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Yeah, I know --- that's the main reason for needing a fix.  I did the same
thing you did and read the GIME directly (ah, the folly of youth!).  I also
limited it to 40 memory blocks.
                              ***** Dennis *****

#: 5369 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-Jul-90  23:54:27
Sb: #5229-Ledger
Fm: David Sanchez 76200,2476
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
Jim,
Yep, it worked when I finally figured is out.
Of course, I had some help along the way.
Thanks,
David

#: 5370 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-Jul-90  23:55:56
Sb: #5256-Ledger
Fm: David Sanchez 76200,2476
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Joseph,
Thanks. Been up and runnin' for a while and it looks great. Keepin' me
'straight'.
Thanks,
David

#: 5371 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-Jul-90  23:57:03
Sb: #5257-Ledger/no prob after all
Fm: David Sanchez 76200,2476
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Thanks Joseph. I appreciate the help and will let you know.
David

#: 5381 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Jul-90  19:19:36
Sb: #New gfx2
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Kevin Darling
Kevin,
  The new gfx2 module is a major help in writing Multi-Vue or mouse operated
programs.  However, I was wondering if there is anyway to change the enable/
disable of a menu/item without having to send the entire data packet to gfx2
every time?
Floyd
There is 1 Reply.

#: 5387 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Jul-90  23:00:03
Sb: #5381-#New gfx2
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Floyd, should be able to. For example, if you had set up a menu item as:
 RUN gfx2("Item",menudesc,1,"Files",Enable)
then you should be able to just run that statement again with Disable instead
(a zero).
You can within reason, change anything on the fly, including attaching new
pulldown menus entirely if you wished to.
Oh. I see. You wanted to change it without going thru gfx2? Yes, it could be
done, but it'd be a mess figuring out how. And you'd have to use either byte
arrays or do peeks/pokes.  Howcum you want to bypass gfx2 for this, btw?
 thx - kev
There is 1 Reply.

#: 5410 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Jul-90  07:43:49
Sb: #5387-New gfx2
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
No, no, no. You miss understand.  I still want to use gfx2.  I'll give you an
example of what I mean.  I'm writing a program where I change menus and items
from enable to disable and back again several times.  For items it's no big
deal because there isn't that much info to send.  However, for menus there is
alot of info to send.  I was thinking something like this would be nice:
 RUN gfx2("MNDisable",wd,1)
 Which is a lot better than:
 run gfx2("Menu",wd,1,"Disk",MId_Disk,8,4,m1,Enable)
 each time I wish to change the enable/disable.
 Do you think my suggestion would be possible?
 Floyd

#: 5382 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Jul-90  19:39:06
Sb: #GFX2
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Sysop Kevin Darling (X)
Hi Kev--Thanks for the new GFX2. I am using it now and I need a little help. I
have duplicated the code in July 1990 Rainbow starting at line 7000 for use in
another program. In the new program it wont go back to the calling window but
rather it goes to the main Multiview window and I have to use the clear key to
get back. Any ideas??
There is 1 Reply.

#: 5389 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Jul-90  23:07:29
Sb: #5382-#GFX2
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
Phil - I don't have that Rainbow, but is that where it close out the extra
window and tries to come back with a Select?
Maybe this will help: place a Select path#0 gfx2 call at the beginning of your
program. That may help os9 figure out who to come back to. This was originally
impossible in the stock gfx2, as it failed on some path numbers. Hmm. You might
be able to leave out the path0 specification. Dunno. Try a coupla variations.
There is 1 Reply.

#: 5411 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Jul-90  07:46:49
Sb: #5389-GFX2
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
I've used run gfx2(1,"select") when returning from other windows that were
killed off and it works fine. I used it in my MultiEdit program when some of
the Tandy menu options required their own windows.

#: 5390 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Jul-90  23:08:24
Sb: #5242-QIC 40 Tape Drive
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: NAM PUI 73347,3324
Nam,
A variety of SCSI based tape backups are available, especially in 5.25" format.
Check in the Shopper. PRices start at $325 or so. On the CoCo 3 you'll need to
find a SCSI interface and maybe hack it up a little to hang the baby on the
bus. I think OwlWare and KenTOn have SCSI stuff.
Kevin Darling probably has the number for KenTon. Kevin?
Paul

#: 5392 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Jul-90  23:09:50
Sb: #5308-QIC 40 Tape Drive
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev, YOu could STILL do it, as you have ample hard drive storage just
     SITTING
              THERE .....!!!
Grin.
Paul

#: 5413 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Jul-90  08:26:01
Sb: sound
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To:  70721,435
Can't Seem to get SOUND to work Get err 43 after it draws the 3 small screens
What can i do?
exit
Press <CR> !>

#: 5420 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Jul-90  13:38:58
Sb: #Dung. Depths 1.5 Crash?
Fm: Mark E. Sunderlin 74026,3235
To: All
I have downloaded Dungeon Deptd v. 1.5 and i can't seem to get it to run.  The
programs loads but when it gets tio the 3rd screen, that is the title screen, i
get an "Error 43" has occurred in the dungeon".  I =have= loaded syscall,
inkey, and gfx2 into memeory, each with a load command, before running the
game.
Can anyone give me any clues as to why the programs always crashes at that
point with this error?
There are 2 Replies.

#: 5424 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Jul-90  18:06:11
Sb: #5420-#Dung. Depths 1.5 Crash?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Mark E. Sunderlin 74026,3235 (X)
Mark - just for grins, try merging gfx2/inkey/syscall into one file, and
loading that... instead of loading each separately. That way they take up only
one 8K block instead of three, which could cause error 043 on trying to map
something else in.
There is 1 Reply.

#: 5440 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Jul-90  08:52:58
Sb: #5424-#Dung. Depths 1.5 Crash?
Fm: Mark E. Sunderlin 74026,3235
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin,
   Kind od weird, but merging gfx2, Inkey, syscall =and= gfx into one file and
loading that before running the game did the trick. After I got off CIS
yesterday, I dug through my old COS notes and saw something about B09 not being
able to find thing unless they were mapped into the same 8K chunk.
  Been a while since I been around... and now you U.G. Pres?!?! Gosh. (grin)
There is 1 Reply.

#: 5444 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Jul-90  09:31:42
Sb: #5440-Dung. Depths 1.5 Crash?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Mark E. Sunderlin 74026,3235
Hey, glad to see you back, too! <grin>  Messing with your coco again, eh? Or
still?
The basic09 thingie is simply because there are only eight 8K blocks possible
within any 64K ram map. By merging those programs and loading them as one file,
os9 sticks them right beside each other... so they end up in one block instead
of three.
Basic itself is 24K (3 blocks) long. That leaves 8-3=5 blocks left. Take away 3
more for 24K of data space, and you've got 8-3-3=2 blocks left. Obviously gfx,
inkey, and syscall won't fit if they're separate!  (that is, unless you force
basic to Kill them and so unmap them... a time-waster).
SO whatcha been up to? And what machines do you run now? A PC, I bet ;-)

#: 5426 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Jul-90  18:46:50
Sb: #5420-#Dung. Depths 1.5 Crash?
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Mark E. Sunderlin 74026,3235 (X)
Merging syscall/gfx2/inkey into one file will definately take care of the
problem.  The Dungeon Depths is a memory hog with only one 8k block free after
running.  But, of course, this block is then taken up by syscall/gfx2/ inkey. 
When merging, don't forget to change the attributes on the new file and
remember to type dungeon #24k when running the game.  Otherwise, around about
level 7 or so (after you barely made it through the other levels by the skin of
your teeth!) you'll get a out of memory error and the game will end. That would
not be fun!
Floyd
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#: 5441 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Jul-90  08:56:07
Sb: #5426-#Dung. Depths 1.5 Crash?
Fm: Mark E. Sunderlin 74026,3235
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Floyd,
  As Kev already rattled my foggy brain, is seems that all the subroutines must
be merged into one file rather than loaded separetly(sp?).  I like this game
Floyd... I don't use multi-view, but anyway, we need MORE fun programs for
OS9... lord knows we a LOT of utilities and not enough substance.  Looks like
I'm going to send in my little monetary vote for good programs.
There is 1 Reply.

#: 5459 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Jul-90  11:51:17
Sb: #5441-Dung. Depths 1.5 Crash?
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Mark E. Sunderlin 74026,3235
That's the whole reason I wrote the game - I got sick of utilties!  I'm on the
verge of completing another one called Gem Quest.  Instead of a bird's eye view
it is a side view and there are ladders to climb and pits to jump.  Parts of
the game are patterned after Black Tigers, an arcade game. If things go as I
hope they do, the game is going to require a huge amount of memory.
 Glad you liked it!
Floyd

#: 5422 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Jul-90  18:00:23
Sb: #5410-#New gfx2
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Ah, I see now. Hmm, yes that should be possible, I think.
What all these commands are doing of course, is setting up the static variable
packets required by SS.WnSet for the menus, as you know. So there has to be
enuf info passed for gfx2 to find the correct area and link stuff together
(heh, how was that for doubletalk? grin).
So let's see. To disable a menubar item would require the menu descriptor array
and the item number, at least. I agree, could be done, and could be handy (I
just figured not many people would do it.. hehe). Okay, maybe for version 4.
There is 1 Reply.

#: 5425 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Jul-90  18:39:51
Sb: #5422-#New gfx2
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Be looking forward to it!  It was just a hassle to want to disable or enable a
menu and think "How did I set that up again?" and have to jump to the beginning
of the program to find out (it would be nice if you could jump to offsets in
BASIC09!).  The program I'm working on is going to be rather large (most likely
30 or 40k).  It is definately a specific need program - it's a Character
Maintaining System for the Palladium Role Playing Game.  Pretty specific, eh?
But, I tell you what, it really shows off your new gfx2 module. By the way, I
ran into a slight problem with it.  The OnMouse call locked up (i.e. failed to
wake up) from time to time.  However, this is not a random occurance (thank
goodness!) but happened after several quick mouse clicks. No big deal. It can
be worked around.  As a matter of fact, that particular point in my program
works better without the OnMouse call!
Floyd
There is 1 Reply.

#: 5427 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Jul-90  22:09:00
Sb: #5425-#New gfx2
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Right on the OnMouse call. That's not uncommon in asm (which it is, actually,
in this case) or anything else... what happens is that the mouse button sends a
signal (due to quick clicking or contact bounce) between the time a signal is
set up and the sleep(0) call.
The sleep(0) then will sleep forever. I really should've had it sleep for a
coupla seconds and check for the need to sleep again, instead. If I get some
time I'll change it and post an ipatch... cuz it can be a pain. Thx for the
reminder!
There is 1 Reply.

#: 5458 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Jul-90  11:47:03
Sb: #5427-#New gfx2
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
No problem.  I'm just glad it wasn't one of those random problems.  By the way,
I figured out a way to change the enable/disable without having to type in the
data again.  I set up an array for each menu and item to hold the enable flag.
I then change it when I need to and do a GOSUB which contains all the menu/
item information.  That way I only have to type in everything once.
Floyd
There is 1 Reply.

#: 5462 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Jul-90  14:24:06
Sb: #5458-New gfx2
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
Great idea! I was going to suggest calling a procedure to change the enables,
but I really hate having lots of niggly procedures around... why didn't I think
of a simple subroutine?! <sigh> thx - kev

#: 5423 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Jul-90  18:04:07
Sb: #5417-Basic09
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
Thanks for the feedback, Jim. No, that is weird about the path error deal and
preloading those modules. It does strike a chord somewhere in my memory, but I
can't quite dredge it up yet. Something about basic variables getting eaten,
but...?   Do make sure that you pass paths to subroutine modules as integers
tho... seems to help (not as BYTE).

#: 5428 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Jul-90  23:24:43
Sb: 200/25 columns
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: all
Is there any way to patch the Fast GrfDrv to be able to use 200/25 columns?  I
found the patch for the old grfdrv but it is unbearable having the graphics be
that slow 8-).  Can someone please derive a patch?  Many many many thanks,
                                                      Joseph Cheek

#: 5442 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Jul-90  09:13:56
Sb: #Basic09 help
Fm: ARNOLD BRAUND 72257,3476
To: all
Hi,
     I have a question on the usage of procedure calls in Basic09. I am
currently writing a checkbook program that is larger than 64K when all of the
seperate procedures are added up.  I am using Shell+ v2.1 and gshell+ v1.24
with patches from Kevin's fastgrf.ar.  My system is a Coco3, 512K, with a 20Meg
Hard drive.
     Here is my problem:   I start up the program in a 640 X 192, graphics
window using    chwt -5.  I then start my main procedure. It doesn't matter if
I use   runb checbook   or   checbook.  This main procedure is basically a
"menu" that calls in other procedures. The problem I have observed, though, is
that as the other procedures are called in and then ended, they do NOT get
released in memory. It doesn't take long before I use up my entire 64K work
space. I realize that when a procedure is called, that it eats up memory in
blocks of 8K, but I thought that this memory was freed up when that procedure
ended so that same memory was available for other called procedures.  I can
make everything work fine when I use the    shell "unlink procedure"  command
in my main procedure as the next line following my call to a procedure.
      ie.  run scrprnt    followed by   shell "unlink scrprnt".
     Maybe this IS the correct "fix", but I haven't seen it written anywhere. 
I know that by merging all of the procedures together, I can save on the 8K
usage problem, but all of my procedures added together use up most of the 64K
work space.  I want to get this program working smoothly and properly before I
attempt to upload it here.
                             thanks,
                              Arnie
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#: 5445 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Jul-90  09:37:51
Sb: #5442-Basic09 help
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: ARNOLD BRAUND 72257,3476
Arnie - try the Kill command instead of using shell/unlink.
Look up the command in the manual, btw. They mention reasons for using a string
variable name for both the RUN and the KILL command at times.
best - kev

#: 5446 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Jul-90  09:39:59
Sb: #5442-Basic09 help
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: ARNOLD BRAUND 72257,3476
PS: the reason they don't automatically leave the basic/runb workspace/map is
because it's assumed that the odds are very good, that you'll run it again
soon. Many times of course, this is true.
By not loading/linking over and over again, programs thus can run much faster.
But the KILL command is there in case you have other ideas <grin>.

#: 5443 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Jul-90  09:15:26
Sb: #Chess for OS9??
Fm: Mark E. Sunderlin 74026,3235
To: All
I asked this one about a year ago and then there simple was no chess for OS9,
so.. I'll ask again.  Does anyone know of any chess games for OS9?  Seems like
a great idea to me.... run chess in one window, do other things in another
window while the computer thinks of its move.
There are 2 Replies.

#: 5447 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Jul-90  09:41:49
Sb: #5443-Chess for OS9??
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Mark E. Sunderlin 74026,3235
Mark - a lot of us think it'd be a great idea, also. I heard the other day that
someone was finally doing an os9 chess game... a port from another OS, I think.
If I can remember who told me that, I'll check on it.

#: 5452 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Jul-90  11:17:52
Sb: #5443-Chess for OS9??
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Mark E. Sunderlin 74026,3235
I know of no Chess game for OS9, at least not one with a graphical interface. I
am currently working on a variation of chess called KnightsBridge. You and the
computer each have 7 knights. The one you and the computer must move is chosen
at random. First playewer to capture 5 of the opponents knights wins. Full
color graphics and mouse controlled.
Zack

#: 5461 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Jul-90  14:13:58
Sb: #erased file
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Kevin Darling 76703,42
Kevin;
  I accidently deleted a text file and am having troubles getting it put
back using dEd.  Some pointers on where I'm going wrong, if you please.
Here's what I've doce so far:
o   I used dEd to replace the missing first letter in the filename.
o   Went to LSN $C0BC to look at FD sector - showing $C7AB for a start.
o   Went to LSN $C7AB and paged thru text - it ends at $C7D1
       $C7D1
      -$C7AB
     --------
         $26 sectors long 
o   Went back to $C0BC and changed byte #21 to $26 from $00
o   dir -e still shows 0 bytes for length
  What did I miss??
Here's a partial listing of the directory:
Owner Last modified Attributes Sector Bytecount Name
----- ------------- ---------- ------ --------- ----------
   0  90/07/21 1129  ----r-wr    C89C      2697 txt0721a
   0 90/07/22 -921  ----r-wr    C0BC         0 txt0722
   0  90/07/22 0921  ----r-wr    C0BD      6578 xxt0722
 Any help greatly appreciated.
 Thanks,
   ...Jim
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#: 5467 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Jul-90  16:50:54
Sb: #5461-erased file
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
Jim,
You also need to set the file length... at offsets 9,A,B,C in the file
descriptor. Since it's close to $26 x256 bytes/sector long, you can start with
$00 00 26 00 for the file length. Back it down if need be. Like $00 00 25 80,
etc.
You could just set it to 00002600 and copy it all with garbage at the end...
and edit it. Or start at 00002500 and keep going higher and listing the file
until you get everything. Or just read the dEd screen and figure out what the
last good byte-within-sector offset is.
Naturally, you must copy the file to a good name, and then go back and zero the
first byte of the bad file's name again... as the sectors are no longer
allocated.
You were very close! Just needed the filesize set. - kev

#: 5463 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Jul-90  14:45:56
Sb: #5389-GFX2
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Hi Kev--Thats the one-I'll try your suggestion--Thanks.

#: 5464 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Jul-90  14:53:40
Sb: words
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Bob Van Der Poel 76510,2203
Hi Bob--I'm using your spellcheck package and when I try to use words I get a
216. All the other ones work fine.Maybe I dont have the syntax correct. Attr
shows ewr. Any help will be appreciated.

#: 5495 S10/Tandy CoCo
    23-Jul-90  23:08:05
Sb: #5467-#erased file
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev;
  Many thanks.  I was so close to the forest, the trees were blocking the view!
:->
  In my endeavors to fix up the file, I had completely overlooked the FD.SIZ
bytes and was concentrating on the FD.SEG bytes.
  One thing that I wouldn't have gotten tho, is the fact that I needed to copy
the repaired file and re-delete the entry.
  If I get some time this week, I'll write up a procedure file for repairing
deleted files and upload it to you for proofreading (and corrections!).  The
best way for me to learn anything is to try and explain it to someone else!
 Gracias!
..Jim       O_o    AACK!
            =( )=
              U
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#: 5497 S10/Tandy CoCo
    24-Jul-90  00:15:09
Sb: #5495-erased file
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
Great! Someone has needed to do that for quite some time (file on undeleting
files - grin).  It's the same way with me: if I can get to the point that I can
explain something to someone, then I'll remember it better myself.

#: 5498 S10/Tandy CoCo
    24-Jul-90  00:15:45
Sb: #5495-erased file
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
PS: y'know, for small files you could almost write a program to automate a lot
of this. Care to try? ;-)

#: 5500 S10/Tandy CoCo
    24-Jul-90  01:18:04
Sb: #5464-words
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
Phil, I just had a look at the source for "words" and it looked fine. So I
tried the program, and I too got a 216. What happened is that the compiled
program in the archive (as well as the one on my hard drive) is an earlier
version of words. All you need to do is either recompile the program, or use
the version you have but do a "chd /dd/sys/spell" first. The version you have
is looking for the file "dictionary", not "/dd/sys/spell/dictionary".
BTW, I will be uploading a new version of "spell" later this week (as soon as
my 2400 baud modem arrives). It is twice as fast again as the one you now have.

#: 5505 S10/Tandy CoCo
    24-Jul-90  11:37:19
Sb: #readmac.pak
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: sysop (X)
Sorry, it happened again.  I uploaded readmac.pak into lib 10 and forgot to say
that it requires KD's enhanced GFX2.  Could you *Please?* include it in my
description?  Thank you very much . . .
There is 1 Reply.

#: 5506 S10/Tandy CoCo
    24-Jul-90  12:28:57
Sb: #5505-readmac.pak
Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Yep.. we'll take care of it, Joseph.
Wayne

#: 5514 S10/Tandy CoCo
    24-Jul-90  15:51:39
Sb: Sound.Master Problems
Fm: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435
To:  76370,1366
I will need more information to be certain as to the problem you are
experiencing.  Here are some things to check:
- SSC and SSCART should be placed on your boot disk (with Config, Ezgen, etc.)
  To determine if they are working try this:
        iniz ssc
        echo hi >/ssc
  If you get an error these files are not working properly.
- Be sure RunB and GFX2 are in memory.  Preferably merged together.
        merge RunB Gfx2 >RunbX
        attr Runbx e pe
        load Runbx
  You can even Runb GFX2 and Sound.Master together..
- Be sure to load Sound.Master into memory.  It won't always run correctly
  by just typing in its name.
        load Sound.Master
        sound
- Be sure XMODE is in memory, although this shouldn't give an error 43 if
  missing.
From your description it sounds like something is missing in memory that needs
to be there so check that first. The program should draw more than just three
small screens. It begins with 3 in the upper left corner one in the upper right
corner one in the lower left and lower right corner and one in the middle. If
it fails before completing this then perhaps one of the draw files are missing.
 Here is a list of the files included in sound.master:
  128 $22 $AEE898   sound
   53 $22 $7E9959   cursor
   53 $22 $D6120E   menu
  133 $22 $18D62D   filemenu
   53 $22 $6C0FF1   process
   53 $22 $C4A015   switch
   53 $22 $2E6AF4   putregs
   52 $22 $1E94CB   getname
   53 $22 $09D119   getfile
   35 $22 $14B9CE   tone
   29 $22 $F7D2B4   slider
   35 $22 $577141   connect
   35 $22 $94594E   envelope
  132 $22 $7980D7   env1
   35 $22 $6FF97D   noise
  129 $22 $469828   ltrbox
  132 $22 $623956   spkr
   35 $22 $729CE6   menubox
   53 $22 $99B7CD   pointer
   53 $22 $49E1DC   pal
   14 $22 $2E555B   alpha
   53 $22 $9EA968   tables
   19 $22 $E8C3A5   registers
Do an  IDENT sound.master -sv   to double check this.
Its a long reply but I hope it helps.  Please let me know if you still have any
problems.  If you do put together a file with an MDIR and MFREE and IDENTS for
sound progs then mail them to me.  This with a detailed description will make
it easier to pinpoint the A(X.

#: 5531 S10/Tandy CoCo
    25-Jul-90  04:38:42
Sb: #4923-Ledger
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
SYSCALL and GFX2 should *not* be merged with RUNB. They should be merged with
the application.

#: 5532 S10/Tandy CoCo
    25-Jul-90  04:44:05
Sb: #4884-#SCSI drives
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
SCSI now usually means: "hard drive with built in SCSI controller". (like
Seagate ST277N. The "N" means SCSI. A "kit" means with a PC (AT-Bus)
controller. SCSI can be daisey chined. SCSI don't care about sectors.... thats
up to the OS & drivers.
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#: 5587 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Jul-90  17:43:56
Sb: #5532-SCSI drives
Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
a SCSI harddrive usually means a harddrive with an imbedded SCSI controller....
which I think you just said <grin>        --Eet--
                                   Director of Mayhem
                                  Extra Terrestrial Imports, Ltd.

#: 5533 S10/Tandy CoCo
    25-Jul-90  04:47:41
Sb: #5071-SCSI drives
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
Paul... as a rule of thumb: CD ROM is about the same as floppy. <sigh>

#: 5549 S10/Tandy CoCo
    25-Jul-90  17:38:15
Sb: #MOTD?
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: all
This may sound like an dumb question but what does MOTD stand for?
There are 2 Replies.

#: 5551 S10/Tandy CoCo
    25-Jul-90  17:40:27
Sb: #5549-MOTD?
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
MOTD = Message of the Day. Taken from a file in the  /etc directory on Unix
systems that is printed out as each user logs on. OS9 copied this and stuck it
into /DD/SYS I believe.
MOTD is also the name of the newsletter of the OS9 User Group. Bill Brady is
the editor.
Pete

#: 5552 S10/Tandy CoCo
    25-Jul-90  17:41:00
Sb: #5549-#MOTD?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
MOTD = Message Of The Day... when you log into a system, it usually prints the
"motd" file in your /dd/sys directory.  Kinda like when you log onto CIS and
get the What's New stuff... or the bulletins here in the forum.
It's also, of course, the name of the OS9 Users Group magazine ;-).
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#: 5582 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Jul-90  13:26:18
Sb: #5552-MOTD?
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
That simple, eh?  And I thought it was going to stand for some long, cryptic
computer term!

#: 5561 S10/Tandy CoCo
    25-Jul-90  20:47:17
Sb: #5444-#Dung. Depths 1.5 Crash?
Fm: Mark E. Sunderlin 74026,3235
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev,
  Actually, my new time taker-uper for a while has been a new interest in Ham
radio.  Thatalong with moving in with my sweetie last May have been keeping me
away from my little coco friend.   I still work for the evil IRS, but I still
live in rural Virginia.  I'm on a diet so LOTS of fish, it not just a at
Rainbowfests.
At work I'm forced to use an IBM, honest to god true BLUE IBM, pc, bit Istill
have and use the CoCo here at home. Thoufh I've been tepmted to look at some
other machines.. such as the Atari ST, Amiga, MM/1, and the tomcat.  I'm
feeling the upgrade itch.
  My sweetie wants to use this computer thing, and bare OS9 just doesn't cut it
for her.. Multiview might be a good temp fix, look for my general message on
the subject. You still in NC? Well, I got to scoot.
There is 1 Reply.

#: 5565 S10/Tandy CoCo
    25-Jul-90  23:43:11
Sb: #5561-#Dung. Depths 1.5 Crash?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Mark E. Sunderlin 74026,3235 (X)
Sounds like you've been busy, alright. BTW, I finally saw a picture of a
monkfish.... ugly!  Good thing I tasted it before seeing it <grin>.
Yah, you _need_ a new machine for your sweetie to use (yeah, right hehe)...
don't you just feel the need, the need for speed?!
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#: 5585 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Jul-90  17:27:24
Sb: #5565-Dung. Depths 1.5 Crash?
Fm: Mark E. Sunderlin 74026,3235
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Gosh Kevin, after spending about $600.oo on radio equipment
 and not being able to really justify any more until I get
 a lisence to transmit... I got to spend money on something!
Sue has looked over my should once in a while and asked, "Why don't you get
something modern that doesn't spraw all over your desk.. something maybe I can
use too?"  Heh, but of course I need speed, speed to support that GUI for my
sweetie!

#: 5563 S10/Tandy CoCo
    25-Jul-90  20:58:47
Sb: #Multi-View: Questions!
Fm: Mark E. Sunderlin 74026,3235
To: All
After several months of gathering dust while I moved, I'm back to using my
CoCo3 with OS9.  However, now I have my sweetie here with me and she7s like to
use this computer some too.
I'm an olde 'C' and Unix hacker by trade so bare OS9 works great for me, but I
don't want to inflect that on her.
So, in order to make OS9 easier for her (and me!) to use, I'm thinking about
the $40.00 splurge(grin) for Multi-View and I have some questions:
1.  How many modes to you have to make to the off the shelf
    version from R.S before it works the way it should? 2.  True or False: I
can run all my current Os9 programs
    under Multi-View. 3.  T or F:  I cen set up all my programs and files so my
    sweetie can use and access them with the mouse and Icons,
    sort of like she7s seen on a mac. 4.  I don't need to write my own programs
and utilities
    to make this all work. 5.  Multi-View can deal with my hard disk T or F? 6.
There is no question #6 7.  What Shocks am I in for with MV? 8.  T or F:
Multiview has been out a while and it's a
    "Mature" programs with us OS9 wizzes having worked
     out all the bugs. 9.   What "bad" things come with using MV? 10.  Whatelse
do I need to know?
If it can make my programs and files "Point & Shoot", then it'll be worth the
$$ and time i spend hacking & configuring.
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#: 5573 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Jul-90  05:51:51
Sb: #5563-Multi-View: Questions!
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Mark E. Sunderlin 74026,3235 (X)
Mark, let's see:
1. There are about 3 or 4 mods to make to stock GShell, all in Lib 10 here.
Hopefully someone knows which ones they all are <grin>. Ask again. 5 cents,
please!
   Actually, they speed up gshell, and add some new gizmos (Kent Meyers did
those). And you'll want (if you don't have it already), the FSTGRF.AR file to
speed up GrfDrv... it really helps with gshell and icons.
2. True. And you don't have to use MV always.. you can still open regular
interactive shell windows... even from MV. Gshell is just another program,
y'see... it doesn't take over or anything. Umm, VDG-screen games/etc do require
an extra util or two.
3. Pretty much true. You add icons, and what would be called PIF files on the
IBM, and gshell uses those to display and start programs.  Altho you may not
find yourself using gshell that much (which is in line with Amiga types not
using their Workbench, but instead simple shell windows like us), your sweetie
should find many things easier.
   I know quite a few people who have their machine set to come up into Gshell
so that their kids/wives can just click and go, pretty much.
4. Naw, icon editors and other utils are all over the place. I believe Mark
Griffith and Ron Lammardo helped with some of the Gshell-specific commands.
5. No sweat on the hard disk. Works best off there.
6. If no question, no answer. But you still get charged 5 cents <grin>.
7. Shocks? Slow, until you patch. Otherwise, not much.
8. Yeah, it's pretty solid these days, with Kent's patches.
9. No bad things, since you can always CLEAR to a regular shell. Maybe some
room taken up for icons, etc.
10. I'd do a "sca/sho/key:gshell" in Lib 10 and see what pops up.
NOTE* if you do a lot of programming (like you used to), then you may not use
it much. But your sweetie may. And besides, you need the Windint module which
is included to do/run the fancy menuing stuff around.

#: 5583 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Jul-90  13:34:10
Sb: #5563-Multi-View: Questions!
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Mark E. Sunderlin 74026,3235 (X)
I patched MV rather painlessly to make it better and faster.  I use it on my
hard drive as well.  As a matter of fact, I think a hard drive really makes MV
shine.  Now, I had to do a little extra programming to get some of my existing
programs to work for two reasons:
  1. Some programs have to be run from the VDG window. You can find C programs
that will create a VDG window in the libraries.
  2. I have all my AIFs in one directory (called PROGRAMS). So, when a program
must access a different directory, I had to change it before booting the
program so I had to write some special boot programs.
If you want to do any programming with the point-n-click interface, the WindInt
module alone makes it worth the money.

#: 5564 S10/Tandy CoCo
    25-Jul-90  21:41:54
Sb: #5500-words
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
Thanks a lot Bob for the help!!

#: 5569 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Jul-90  00:25:30
Sb: #sound
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To:  70721,435 (X)
OK i have done all this and all files are found and iniz ssc and echo comes
back with no error BUT it wont say anything?? What does this mean? Still the
same error when running the program (sound) . What Slot should the sspak be
in??
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#: 5592 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Jul-90  21:46:36
Sb: #5569-#sound
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
Everett,
  Are you using this with Level 1 or Level 2 OS9?
  If Level 2, it won't fly without a hardware hack to the SSC pack.
  Still interested?
  Dan
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#: 5593 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Jul-90  23:03:21
Sb: #5592-#sound
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)
YES now what?? Also are you useing the new shell & gfx2?
There is 1 Reply.

#: 5603 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Jul-90  05:22:10
Sb: #5593-sound
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
Everett,
  Okeydokey....now what you need to do is download the file Bruce Isted
uploaded on modifying the Speech Sound pak so that it works at the CoCo's high
speed CPU rate. The file is in LIB 10 and is called SSPAK.AR.
  The pak depends on the CPU frequency of the CoCo, and since Level 2 OS9 runs
in the CoCo's hyper speed (grin) it throws the pak off, which is why it won't
fly. Making this modification to the pak will allow it to run with the CoCo3's
high speed.
  RE: GFX2 & the new shell....yeppirs! However, if you do have a question about
these, might be best to point them towards Kevin Darling, as he wrote them
both!
  Dan

#: 5594 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Jul-90  00:01:05
Sb: #/d2???
Fm: edward langenback 73510,145
To: all
    i recently got hold of an OLLLLD radio shack CoCo drive
    (model what would it take to set this drive up as /d2
    for os/9?
    i'm currently running a disto mini controller 1 and two 40 trk dsdd drives
        as /d0 and /d1.
     i'd consider getting another 40trk, but i got the 26-3022 free, can't do
        that with new 40trks.
                       thanks,
                               Ed.
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#: 5605 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Jul-90  06:50:04
Sb: #5594-/d2???
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: edward langenback 73510,145
All you need is the appropriate descriptor.  I note that in the descriptors
that come with stock OS-9/6809 Level Two, there's a d2_35s.dd, and that could
very well be what you want.  (Just as a simple check, see if the length is the
same as your d0 descriptor--sdisk3, I think, may keep an extra field or two,
and I'm not sure what device driver you are using.)

#: 5618 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Jul-90  17:03:30
Sb: sound
Fm: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435
To:  76370,1366
The echo test only proves that the system recognizes your SSC.  You may or may
not hear anything, so that fact that you didn't hear anything does not mean
anything unfortunately.  This driver doesn't support speech.
I'm afraid without more information I can't help you too much.  One person who
sent me a note on Delphi has had no problems so I don't think the program
itself is causing the problem.
You mentioned that 3 small screens were drawn before the 43 error. Were these 3
at the top right of the screen?  The program should draw 4 identical boxes.  3
at the top and 1 at the bottom left.  The program calls the box routine 4 times
consecutively so if it could draw 3 boxes why not four?  It doesn't make sense.
The only possible explanation left (at least that I can think of), if all the
necessary files are in memory, is that your process memory is full.
Sound.Master uses 2 blocks GFX2         uses 1 block XMODE        uses 1 block
RUNB         uses 2 blocks
                 --Total =           6
For certain shell calls perhaps another 1-2 blocks.
Since each process has only 8 blocks if for some reason your process had
another file mapped to it (say you merged GFX2 and Basic09, which would be a 4
block file) something would be squeezed out and POOF! an error 43.
But unless you provide some detailed information I can't help you. I need to
know your complete system config, MDIR, MFREE with all files in memory, etc.

#: 5619 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Jul-90  17:30:34
Sb: Sound.Master
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Jim McDowell
Jim,
First, I'd like to congratulate and thank you for your Soundmaster program.
I've been looking for something like it for three years now (since I bought the
speech cartridge). Now, for some questions:
1) Why use the arrow keys? I'd prefer the mouse myself.
2) Is the device driver capable of speech? I would
   find that capability very useful.
3) How is it that the SSCart driver works with an
   unmodified pak? Is the Coco's clock speed dropped
   down to .89 MHz when doing sound?
4) Would it be possible to "un-hardcode" the window used
   by the program?
Hugo
Press <CR> !>

#: 5620 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Jul-90  21:18:24
Sb: #5619-Sound.Master
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)
Since I didn't write Sound Master I can't answer all your questions.  But, yes,
it is capable of speech.  Simply open a path and print to the path the text you
wish it to say.  I found out that if you set a delay loop from 1 to the length
of the text times 100 (i.e. FOR count=1 TO LEN(text)*100) before closing the
path, you will get all the speech in just as the path closes.

#: 5622 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Jul-90  21:25:07
Sb: Sound Master
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Jim McDowell
Jim,
   Your Sound Master program is very nice!  I have a couple of suggestions
though:
   1. Mouse control
   2. Ability to drag the "zippers" and then play the sound when the button is
      released
   3. A "play" button on the screen to repeat the sound
   4. Ability to save sounds under any file name with a .sav extention
I am currently reworking a game I've been working on to include sounds from the
Speech/Sound Pak.  Of course, these sounds would have been impossible without
your program (impossible for me to create that is!).  By the way, do you know
what some musical note equivalents would be for the SSC?
Floyd

#: 5623 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Jul-90  23:25:10
Sb: #5618-sound
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435 (X)
yes i have but what am i looking for?
How will i know the block that doesnot fit?? I do have many drivers installed
in the boot (I have 2 harddrive and 3 floppys)

#: 5626 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-Jul-90  01:25:09
Sb: #5531-Ledger
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
hmm, why do you say that? (syscall and gfx2 should be merged with apps, not
runb).

#: 5630 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-Jul-90  03:06:00
Sb: #5605-/d2???
Fm: edward langenback 73510,145
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
   ok, i'd pretty much thought that d2_35s.dd was the right descriptor.
   device driver?  that'd be the cc3disk, the version that was patched/modified
        so that utils like pcdos and rsdos will work.
   my main trouble is... does that thing insist on having some of it's pins
pulled?  (the drive select pins for any drive but e one
   that i want it to be>
   i've made up a new cable for the three drive setup, and tested it by putting
   all three connectors in turn on the two drives i started with, everything
        worked fine.  put the third drive in, make a new boot disk including
   d2_35s.dd.... and nothing.
                     thanks,
                             Ed.

#: 5638 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-Jul-90  06:36:18
Sb: #5594-/d2???
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: edward langenback 73510,145 (X)
Ed - yeah, the old RS drives require that some pins be pulled on the cable
connector to that drive. For it to be drive 2, for example, the pins would be
pulled for selects 0,1,3.  (or as is probably number in most docs, 1,2,4).
Alas, I don't have my docs at hand. Quick, someone! <grin>

#: 5648 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-Jul-90  11:07:02
Sb: #elim + MV
Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631
To: all
I have a question about the way MV looks at the system. When in Multi View I
find that I am unable to query and also change the port assignment from /t1 or
/t2. I am using the eliminator. Altough the port /t2 works fine when used with
a telecomm program. Multi View seems unable to address either port from within
itself when asked from the PORT menu option. I was beginning to wonder why ???
Any ideas??
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#: 5660 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-Jul-90  13:43:42
Sb: #5648-#elim + MV
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 (X)
First of all, I assume by "Multi View" you really mean the Graphics Shell,
GShell which comes with it. MultiVue is the collective termnm for the Graphics
Shell, it's associated support programs, and associated support modules. The
only time that I am aware of that GShell addresses a communications port is
when you access the Port function from the Tandy menu. That runs a program
called gport. First thing it asks you is the name of the port you want to
affect. According to the manual this can be /p, /t1, /t2, /t3, /m1, or /m2.
Since I don't use the eliminator, I am unfamiliar with it. Does it use the same
device names?
Zack ;
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#: 5680 S10/Tandy CoCo
    29-Jul-90  11:28:27
Sb: #5660-elim + MV
Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
device names have not changed from the standard TANDY/MICROWARE os9 names but
the addresses are different.     Joerg

#: 5669 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-Jul-90  22:54:13
Sb: #5648-#elim + MV
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 (X)
joerg - you mean from the gport util? I think it has to do with the size of
your bootfile... it has trouble linking it in or something. Kent had a patch
which fixed this (I think). Mark G may know about it... Mark?
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#: 5681 S10/Tandy CoCo
    29-Jul-90  11:34:35
Sb: #5669-#elim + MV
Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, will have to look it up and hope that I can find it the
observation on my part came about when I was experimenting a little bit and I
thought to invoke the tsmon mail system mail2.ar from this sig but I wanted to
reconfigure the port from the gport utility from the tandy menu in Multi View.
Is it possible the gport is hardcoded to the std /t2 device address &FF68 of
the Tandy rs232 pak and not responsive to a device name that also uses a
different device driver (DACIA) and also the descriptor address is different
?????    Joerg
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#: 5691 S10/Tandy CoCo
    29-Jul-90  15:58:37
Sb: #5681-#elim + MV
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 (X)
No, Gport wouldn't care about addresses, etc. It just does an xmode sort of
thing. So you could do the same thing: open a shell window, xmode the device,
and it would be the same thing.
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#: 5718 S10/Tandy CoCo
    30-Jul-90  23:15:14
Sb: #5691-#elim + MV
Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
So my original question is again, why does the tandy menu choice port return an
error and refuse to read the descriptor ??? Acting as if /T2 were not there ??
Joerg
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#: 5720 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-Jul-90  01:07:19
Sb: #5718-elim + MV
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631
Probably because it simply cannot link that descriptor into its map... altho
this doesn't seem right in retrospect. Let's see, GPort is 1 block long, and
needs 1 block for data. That leaves 6 blocks (48K) where it can link in the
bootfiles.  I would think that your bootfile is <48K??

#: 5697 S10/Tandy CoCo
    29-Jul-90  22:24:46
Sb: #5669-elim + MV
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev and Joerg,
Gport attempts to link to (I think) the driver (or maybe the descriptor). In
any case, since both of these are in the bootfile and loaded as part of the
system map, the entire system gets linked in with it.  This is where the
problem is I believe.  The is a patch in MV2PAT.AR (in dl10) for Gport, but it
only fixes it if the bootfile is less than a certain size, but I forget the
size.  So, the best way is to use Xmode until someone comes up with a better
Gport utility.
Mark

#: 5664 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-Jul-90  18:45:44
Sb: #Sort
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: ALL
Can anyone recommend a sort procedure to alphabetize the words in a text file?
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#: 5667 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-Jul-90  20:59:54
Sb: #5664-#Sort
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
Depends, I guess.  If you want the output with one word per line, then
something like
tr '[ \t]' '\n\n' <file ! sort ! unique
should do the job (well...tr would need to be set up to delete the punctuation,
and collapse runs of whitespace into a single newline).  All these tools can be
had from the DL areas here.
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#: 5687 S10/Tandy CoCo
    29-Jul-90  14:39:42
Sb: #5667-Sort
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Thanks for the info James.

#: 5670 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-Jul-90  23:00:34
Sb: #5664-#Sort
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
Phil  - offhand, I'd go to the Utils lib (and perhaps languages and UG lib
also), and do a "bro /key:sort" and see what comes up.  There are sort filters,
and perhaps some of them are in the language you wish to work with.
Ummm... you want to sort the file a line at a time?  Dump repeat words? Need
more info. thx
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#: 5689 S10/Tandy CoCo
    29-Jul-90  14:42:24
Sb: #5670-#Sort
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Hi Kev--What I want to do is sort a list of words so I can use it to make a
dictionary with Bob Van Der Poels utiliy. It requires the words to be sorted
alphabetically.
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#: 5690 S10/Tandy CoCo
    29-Jul-90  15:37:50
Sb: #5689-#Sort
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
Phil -
I believe there was a groupof tools associated with the original UG LIb
dictionary set. A program called 'words' was one of them. You may want to check
into that. If it's not in the UG Lib DL, ask Mike Ward to post it for you.
Pete
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#: 5727 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-Jul-90  17:14:20
Sb: #5690-Sort
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Hi Pete--Thats the bunch I'm talking about. One of them creates a dictionary
but the words have to be alphabetized first.

#: 5698 S10/Tandy CoCo
    29-Jul-90  22:24:52
Sb: #5689-#Sort
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
Phil,
There already is a dictionary for the UG speller in the UG library.  It might
have been taken off due to lack of access, but a meesage to the Sysop here will
cause one to appear for you to download.
I also am merging several different spell dictionaries together (from UNIX
systems) to create a larger dictionary for the speller.  The UG dict only has
about 82K words in it.  When I get that done, I'll upload it here.
Mark
P.S.  Trying to build your own dictionary will take you years even if you work
on it continously.
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#: 5728 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-Jul-90  17:18:20
Sb: #5698-Sort
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
Hi Mark--I have the 102k dictionary from the UG but I'm trying to set it up to
where I can add words. The package contauns two utils. One creates a dictionary
with index and the other will merge two dictionaries. The catch seems to be
that the words have to be in alphabetical order first.

#: 5682 S10/Tandy CoCo
    29-Jul-90  11:48:39
Sb: #5442-Basic09 help
Fm: ARNOLD BRAUND 72257,3476
To: ARNOLD BRAUND 72257,3476 (X)
Kevin,
     Thanks for the info.  I'll give it a try.
                           Arnie

#: 5705 S10/Tandy CoCo
    30-Jul-90  05:50:12
Sb: #5443-Chess for OS9??
Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
To: Mark E. Sunderlin 74026,3235
Get a copy of the next issue of OSKer - it has the beginnings of a chess
program in C for OSK/OS9.  But then, maybe you don't want to wait for the rest
of the pieces...
StG

#: 5719 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-Jul-90  00:16:13
Sb: #5443-Chess for OS9??
Fm: Tom Cattrall 72767,622
To: Mark E. Sunderlin 74026,3235
GNU Chess which runs on UNIX is fairly powerful. Source is in C. I don't know
how much work it would be to port to OS9 but if you or anyone else is
interested, I could give you a copy. (we'd have to work out file formats, etc.
I use UNIX, Amiga, VMS, and MSDOS but no OS9).
Tom

#: 5708 S10/Tandy CoCo
    30-Jul-90  06:53:49
Sb: #DT-1 terminal on OS9
Fm: JOHN TEAGUE 75715,1670
To: all
Does anyone know the proper entries for the termset file for the Radio Shack
DT-1 terminal (for Dynastar on Coco III)?  Or--Just the codes to home the
cursor, clear the screen, go to column x, row y?  I think it can also use codes
to clear remainder of line and screen.
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#: 5713 S10/Tandy CoCo
    30-Jul-90  07:58:26
Sb: #5708-DT-1 terminal on OS9
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: JOHN TEAGUE 75715,1670 (X)
Was that a DT-100 or DT-1? The DT-100 were Wyse-75's in sheep's clothing (aka
VT-100 emulators). From memory, VT-100's clear the screen with ESC [ H ESC [ J.
The ESC [ H homes the cursor. I think this is enough to get a primitive support
of the VT100 going under DS. JUst start it up as DS XXXX (at least that's how
the old version worked).
Pete

#: 5722 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-Jul-90  08:27:19
Sb: #Fractal.ar
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
Bruce;
  I've been playing with your Fractal program for the past few days and I LOVE
it!  It really generates some interesting shapes.
  Do you have a bibliography for the references you used?  I'd like to read
more on the subject.  And will you be porting the code to the MM/1 / TC70 /
etc. when the time comes - the CoCo computational times are a bit much!
 ...Jim
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#: 5725 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-Jul-90  16:05:51
Sb: #5722-Fractal.ar
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
I, too, have been playing with fractal. Generating a zoom in another window
right now! (At a lower priority, of course. <grin>) One zoom took 36 hours to
create!! I want my MM/1!!!
Zack

#: 5730 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-Jul-90  17:43:27
Sb: #5722-#Fractal.ar
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
Jim
     I'm gratified to hear you enjoy the program.  The origin of the program
came out of a general discussion of the Mandelbrot set in the Computer
Recreations column in the August 1985 Scientific American.  I wrote an asm lang
version  for a 64k COCO I at that time (you can still find it over on the COCO
forum--probably will bomb out if try to run it on the III though).  The present
Multi-Vue program is the third incarnation of the program growing out of that
effort.
As it turns out there is a very good article on fractals in the latest
Scientific American (the August issue) and they list several books for further
reading at the end.  The only other thing that comes to mind is the book CHAOS
by James Gleick in which the Mandelbrot set is discussed. This last contains
some beautiful pictures that make the output of my little program look sick. 
Heck with the MM1, I want a Cray.
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#: 5731 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-Jul-90  18:21:22
Sb: #5730-#Fractal.ar
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
Suggestions for the program (which *is* quite a nice one):
1. You might want to switch over to fixed-point arithmetic for speed--though it
does limit the zoom factor compared to floating-point, so perhaps not.
2. If you aren't already doing it, you might consider using an adaptive method,
namely doing the corners of a rectangle and then if the center comes out the
same as the corners, presume the whole rectangle takes on that value; otherwise
recur on the quadrants.  (One can do various things to avoid being faked out,
such as setting a minimum recursion level or subdividing the rectangle randomly
instead of always smack dab in the middle.)
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#: 5734 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-Jul-90  20:21:27
Sb: #5731-#Fractal.ar
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
James,
     I don't see how you could write the program using integer math.  In the
original rsdos/asm version I actually wrote my own 2 byte mantissa floating
point routines to speed things up.  But I was younger then and impatient.  This
time through I decided to push the resolution to the limit.
     It would be posible to use symmetry to speed things up in certain cases. 
The Mandelbrot set has a plane of symmetry about y=0 and Julia sets have
inversion symmetry about the origin.  The problem is that in order use this the
pixle grid must be symmetrically disposed wrt the symmetry element--which in
general it isn't.  You could fudge things to get the grid in line but if the
symmetry element is off screen you can't use it anyway.  I considered all this
and decided it introduced too many if--thens in an otherwise clean algorithm.
     In a couple of places I've seen reference to faster algorithms for
generating the sets.  I beleive this involves successive distortions of a line
converging on the outline of the set.  But I've never heard described exactly
how this is done.  If anybody knows anything about this I'd be interested in
hearing about it.
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#: 5736 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-Jul-90  21:09:52
Sb: #5734-#Fractal.ar
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
Hmmm...in one of those hardback fractal books with lots of neat color plates,
there's mention of an algorithm that converges on the set by picking points and
generating disks with the points at the center that are all in the set iff the
center is in the set, but that doesn't give you the neat kind of colorful
images we all know and love--just a picture of the set itself.
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#: 5744 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-Jul-90  23:22:42
Sb: #5736-Fractal.ar
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Yeah, but with that kind of thing, if it were fast, you could implement a fast
zoom feature.  You could use this to search around the set for neat stuff to do
a full color rendition of.  It could really speed up the process. This latest
Scientific American article, which I've been looking at a bit more closely this
evening, does describe the process well enough for Julia sets I think.  At
least to the point that I can start fooling around with it.  I'll have to think
about how to do the same type of thing for the Mandelbrot set however.

#: 5743 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-Jul-90  22:22:19
Sb: #5730-#Fractal.ar
Fm: Bob Palmer 74646,2156
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
Another book which you might find interesting is "Fractal Programming in C" by
Roger T Stevens published by M&T Books.  It is chock full of C code and output
examples for many variations of fractal geometry and resulting patterns. The
code is all for MSDOS of course but ports easily and the pictures are
intriguing. I keep promising myself to get a windowing package patched together
to let me use the text's routines and the COCO windows and mouse.  Maybe
someday. Bob P.
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#: 5745 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-Jul-90  23:23:58
Sb: #5743-Fractal.ar
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Bob Palmer 74646,2156
Thanks for the tip, Bob.  I'll have to see if I can find it.

#: 5765 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Aug-90  20:34:48
Sb: #Sound
Fm: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435
To:  76370,1366 (X)
To identify if you have a too many blocks assigned to your process check the
sizes of each file related to the program (Sound.Master, Runb, GFX2, etc.) Then
determine how many 8K blocks would be required to hold each file. For example
if Runb is 9K long then you would need 2 blocks and so on. If the total number
of blocks used is 7 or more you have too much assigned to your process (the
program needs a block t  make system calls.) If you mere all the files into one
you can reduce the number of blocks needed. If GFX2 is 3K and is merged with
Runb (9K) the resulting file size is 12K so it only needs 2 blocks instead of 2
for Runb and 1 for GFX2.
However funny things can happen when you have a long boot list like you have
described.  Why don't you try running the program from a 2 floppy boot.(Leave
out the other drivers and run a bare minimum system)  If that works then you
will have to rearrange the order of your drivers so that you can run it with
your hard drives.
               --- Jim McDowell
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#: 5768 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Aug-90  21:53:02
Sb: #5765-Sound
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435
Thanks for your help I'll try that!!
Press <CR> !>

#: 5769 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Aug-90  22:24:49
Sb: #5720-elim + MV
Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Boot files is about 32K or something like that.      JS

#: 5770 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Aug-90  22:26:06
Sb: #5720-elim + MV
Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Am rebuilding my bootfie and et you know kOexacty what happens later.   JS

#: 5778 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Aug-90  11:51:26
Sb: #Sound.Master
Fm: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)
Hi I almost didn't see your msg.
I wrote the program over a year ago and originally only intended to use it
myself so I skipped over some of the niceties.
Since everyone who has dropped me a line asks for mouse/joystick control and
eliminating the /w7 hardcoding I plan to upload an updated version within 2
weeks (if everything goes well).  I have already started a C version which will
include the above and more but that may be a while in coming.
The driver is technically not capable of speech because when the device is
opened by a program it starts by initializing the Cart. to receive sound data. 
However I have had it occasionally talk when I ECHOed a msg to it?!? I would
suggest getting SSPAK.ar  to use the speech capability.  Should be somewhere on
the sysem.
And yes the driver does poke down the speed for unmodified S/SC's.
Thanks for the msg.  If you have any other comments pls send them my way.
                -- Jim McDowell
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#: 5787 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Aug-90  08:05:02
Sb: #5778-#Sound.Master
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435 (X)
Actually, the sscart driver does handle speech. I'm writing a program that
reads in a file line by line, and reads it to you.  My only problem is figuring
out the delay required before sending out the next speech string. I tried
peeking location ff7e, but it doesn't help. Do you have any insights as to how
I could determine whether or not the cart is ready for the next string of
characters?
Hugo
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#: 5791 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Aug-90  15:33:29
Sb: #5787-#Sound.Master
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)
I found that multiplying the length of the string by 100 and making that the
length of the delay (i.e. FOR count=1 to LEN(text)*100) was nearly perfect
before sending the next string.
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#: 5823 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Aug-90  11:12:54
Sb: #5791-#Sound.Master
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Your method works, but only for sentences with mostly words. Throw in a couple
of numbers, or more diificult words, and things don't work out so well. I think
the best method would be to PEEK() the cartridge. However, when I peek at
$ff7e, it doesn't help me. (see SSC manual page 6).
Hugo
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#: 5838 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Aug-90  13:59:17
Sb: #5823-#Sound.Master
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)
Interesting that the PEEK doesn't help.  If I can ever find my manual maybe I
can figure out something.
Floyd
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#: 5840 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Aug-90  16:11:59
Sb: #5838-#Sound.Master
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Well, today, I got the peek to work. Turns out I was peeking before the text
was sent out, not after. Switching the two statements made all the difference.
Now, I just wish I had the knowledge to write a proper driver, instead of doing
things illegally.
I'd like to convert the program to C. My only problem is: How would I PEEK at a
specific address using C?
By the way, the basic09 version reads any text file now (as long as each line
is terminated by a CR)
Hugo
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#: 5846 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Aug-90  18:26:42
Sb: #5840-#Sound.Master
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)
I'm not sure what mean about illegally, but if you want to write something
requiring the speech/sound driver, all you have to do is make sure the user
understands he needs this particular one.  However, if the driver has been
released as public domain (which I think it has), you can include it in any
software you write as long as you do not get money for it.  Of course, I could
be wrong on all this!  I don't think so, however.  By the way, I called
specifically to leave you a message about the PEEK, but you found out anyway!
Floyd
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#: 5848 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Aug-90  21:08:43
Sb: #5846-Sound.Master
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
From what I've read, there is *no* constraint on the use of something placed in
the public domain.  If someone puts a song, or a program, into the public
domain, then anyone can do *anything* to it, including sell it (one would think
someone would have to be pretty gullible to buy something freely available, but
I've heard that the government was sold some public domain stuff for lotsa $$$
once...) or incorporate it in a work that is not in the public domain.

#: 5880 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Aug-90  16:16:55
Sb: #5846-Sound.Master
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
By illegally, I meant having to peek from the program rather than letting the
device driver do all the work for me.
Hugo

#: 5779 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Aug-90  11:53:09
Sb: #Sound Master
Fm: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Thanks for the kudos.
Keep looking on the system because within 2 weeks I will upload a revised
version of Sound.Master with joystick/mouse control and /w instead of /w7.
I'm going to hold off on dragging the zippers until my C version (already well
in the works).
The Play Button idea is good with the joystick/mouse.  It isn't very convenient
when you have to use the arrow keys.
I am planning to make it possible to save sound files under any file name in my
C version.
Also (definitely future) I would like to include other features of the S/SC
like using its buffers and including musical note transcription. If you look in
Appendix D of the manual it has musical note conversion.
If you have any other comments let me know.
               -- Jim McDowell
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#: 5792 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Aug-90  15:39:58
Sb: #5779-Sound Master
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435 (X)
I KNEW there was a musical conversion chart in the docs but I can't find mine!
I probably found them one day and decided "I'll never need these" and threw
them away.  I would love to be able to play music in the background while the
program is drawing or accessing the disk.  By the way, is there anyway for the
driver to go back to the 2Mhz mode after receiving data?  Also, why does the
pack send popping noises when something is printed to the screen when the path
to the pack is open?  This only occurs after data has been sent to it.
Floyd

#: 5788 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Aug-90  08:10:24
Sb: #fractal program
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: bruce mackenzie
Bruce,
Love the fractal program. I have it running in the background even as I type.
My only criticism (you knew it was coming!) is the awkward way of moving the
zoom box around. I find it hard to be precise.
Why not have the box move with actual movement of the mouse?
Hugo
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#: 5799 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Aug-90  16:58:32
Sb: #5788-fractal program
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)
Hugo,
     Glad to hear you like the program.  I couldn't have the box follow the
mouse directly because the mouse resolution is not great enough--64 positions
to 320 for the screen.  I agree the positioning is a bit awkward.  I put in a
delay after the first one pixle shift of the box before continuous movement
begins.  This allows you to 'bump' the box one pixle at a time by quickly
moving the mouse from the centered position to the action position and back to
the centered position.  Try this technique for fine adjustments of the box
position.

#: 5817 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Aug-90  08:44:48
Sb: #HELP Hard Disk
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: ALL
I have developed a Hard Disk problem. I am getting error 244s (read error) on
specific files located all over the ST225 drive. My PS voltages are: 4.88v &
11.98v. I am using Bruces setup & wd1005G. Question is: should I go ahead &
reformat & restore... or given the symptoms... may that not do any good? Help!
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#: 5830 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Aug-90  13:16:23
Sb: #5817-#HELP Hard Disk
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X)
Bill;
  About the first of the year, I was getting 244's from my ST-238 when I'd try
to access a file.  I found that it was mostly files that were in DIRectories
with > 100 files, and I could usually try reading the file again and it would
work the 2nd or 3rd time. If not, copying the file to another name seemed to
solve the problem.
  I finally reformatted the drive, and haven't had problems since.  If it
helps any, here is the script that I used to pre-extend the DIRs :
display c
echo * Installing OS9boot on track 128...
bootport /f0/os9bootx /dd/OS9Boot
echo *
echo * Creating root directory structure...
load mkdir
mkdir AIF
mkdir -e 150 AR
mkdir ASM
mkdir BACKUP
mkdir -e 70 BASIC09
mkdir -e 120 C
mkdir -e 250 CMDS
mkdir -e 60 DEFS
mkdir -e 100 DOCS
mkdir -e 150 GAMES
mkdir HELP
mkdir LETTERS
mkdir LIB
mkdir -e 50 MISC
mkdir -e 80 MODULES
mkdir -e 99 MSGS
mkdir OLDMSGS
mkdir PASCAL
mkdir PATCHES
mkdir PCFILE
mkdir -e 60 PIX
mkdir RSDOS
mkdir -e 130 SOURCES
mkdir -e 50 SYS
mkdir -e 60 TEMP
mkdir -e 50 UTILS
unlink mkdir
echo * Root created...
dir /dd
 Hope this helps...
...Jim       O_o    AACK!
           =( )=
             U
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#: 5845 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Aug-90  17:41:24
Sb: #5830-HELP Hard Disk
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
Thanks Jim for reminding me to pre extend.

#: 5850 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Aug-90  21:38:36
Sb: #5817-#HELP Hard Disk
Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X)
My experience with ST225's is that they go bad over time.  Especially if you
bought it about a couple years ago or more.  The 5 volts is a little low, and
could be contributing to the problem though - usually it has a pot adjust on
the ps mboard, you might try that.  Also, don't rely on just one vom, they on
occasion get off.  Suggest backup *IMMEDIALTLY*, but by copying files in groups
of dirs rather than any standard backup program.  Then reformat and restore, it
will hold for a while before doing it again possibly.
The last ST225 I had had this problem and would drop sectors with exponentialy
increasing frequency.  About the third time it did (and lost some important
stuff), I took it out back, borrowed my dad's 6 pound sledgehammer, and vented
my frustration with it.
Just a suggestion, of course.
StG
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#: 5854 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Aug-90  21:47:49
Sb: #5850-#HELP Hard Disk
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 (X)
Hmm, that's interesting. I've had my ST-225 since Feb '89, had no problems with
it at all.
Zack
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#: 5858 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Aug-90  00:05:21
Sb: #5854-#HELP Hard Disk
Fm: Shawn Thomas 76226,3237
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Zack-  I didn't catch this whole thread but I kinda get the drift of the topic.
I have had two ST225 s fail in the last 12 months.  I will never buy another
one.  And I have had friends with the same problems, but then again there are
thousands of them out there that have been working just fine.  Maybe I have bad
disk karma?
Shawn
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#: 5866 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Aug-90  10:17:05
Sb: #5858-#HELP Hard Disk
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Shawn Thomas 76226,3237 (X)
One thing already mentioned was that all units (ST225), or maybe most all,
bought in the last two years seem to be fine. Most problems are with units
purchased prior to that time.
Zack
ex
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#: 5873 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Aug-90  14:50:11
Sb: #5866-HELP Hard Disk
Fm: Shawn Thomas 76226,3237
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Zack-  My first failed unit was bought new 13 months ago, and failed after 6
months.  The new replacement failed two weeks ago.  What can I say?
Shawn

#: 5874 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Aug-90  15:03:09
Sb: #5854-HELP Hard Disk
Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Yah, it sorta depends.  I've gotten burnt out on Seagates in general because
every single one I've had has given me trouble at one time or another.  Of
course, I haven't bought one in the last couple years, so I figure they're
better now.
But if you start having it drop sectors on you, you know, all of a sudden
there's a sector bad, back it up right away - that day.  If it does what mine
always did, they grow like rabbits and take over the whole drive.
Then, on the other hand, I'm using one of those 157N's I think, 49 megger SCSI
imbedded on this unit.  It has only flaked one sector, and since no problems. 
But that one sector happened to be in the root directory and I had a real fun
time reconstructing that.
StG

#: 5882 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Aug-90  16:41:06
Sb: #5817-#HELP Hard Disk
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X)
Bill,
Your power supply voltages are fine, maybe slightly low on the 5 volts, but
nothing that should cause read errors.  I also wouldn't consider any one type
of drive manufactuer as worse than others.  I have two Seagate ST-225 drive
here that have been in constant use on my system for two years, and they were
two years old when I got them.  I also have a Seagate ST-506, their first
drive, that is still working after about 8 years!
If you can get a good copy of everything on your disk, then do it now. You may
have to try several times on some files and forget others.  If the data is
critical, then you can ship it off to one of the disk repair and recovery
places and for a couple hundred bucks, they will get your stuff off for you.
After you get the data, try and reformat.  I always format a couple times
without the verify, and then a final time with verify.  If this works out then
you should be able to use the drive again.  If not, then chuck it and get a new
one. Mark
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#: 5891 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Aug-90  19:33:54
Sb: #5882-HELP Hard Disk
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
Thanks Mark, I've backed up all I can get now. Next: FORMAT. BTW, I checked the
actual file dates on my ARC set and some files say 12/89. So I just forgot to
write a new label date last backup. Not so bad. I just hope I don't go through
all this and find out that I have to replace the WD1005G anyhow. ('course, a
new controller would mean reformatting anyway).

#: 5857 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Aug-90  22:50:44
Sb: #responses
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: tall
I just upload Check ledger 4.5 and I uploaded a few days ago SPoker.PAK, and
was wondering if anyone had any gres/comments/etc. to give me.  I realize that
many have not had a chance to view my programs yet, so to start it off I will
ask a few questions.  Is the filename in an upload only allowed to be 6.3
(meaning 6-character filename and 3-character extension)?  Can forum sysops
change the name of a program that has been uploaded?  What specialties do forum
sysops get for their work (I'm just curious . . . ?)  What have people heard
about new OS-9 products?  Hope to get many responses . . .
                                                      Joseph Cheek
                                                      (76264,142)
  BTW, how many people log on here at 300 baud to just read messages?
  Again, just curious . . .
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#: 5865 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Aug-90  08:21:45
Sb: #5857-responses
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Joseph,
On the file naming question ... you're correct. The name must be limited to 6
characters with the extension up to 3.
Sysops do have the capability to modify the name of a file ... generally upon
the request of the uploader. We don't like to monkey around with somebody elses
work unless invited.
On the baud rate quesion ...
Just a guess, but I doubt many are on with 300 baud these days. With the advent
of View.Ar (an offline message processor) it's far more efficient at the higher
speeds.
New Os9 stuff? Browse Section/Library 15 for the news on the MM/1 and Tomcat.
Steve

#: 5887 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Aug-90  17:10:10
Sb: #5857-#responses
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
I've grabbed it, and it's rather cute.  Only oddity is that it comes back with
an "ERROR #0" at the end just as it exits.  Expect a check to a starving OS-9
programmer shortly! <grin>
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#: 5903 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Aug-90  11:52:35
Sb: #5887-responses
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
The error #0 is meant to be no error . . . but if it bugs people, I can easily
change that.

#: 5889 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Aug-90  18:08:39
Sb: MV and Eliminator
Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631
To: Kevin Darling
can not change non SCF device  press any key to continue. I am using the
Eliminator board under standard MULTI VIEW. I am just curious as to why the
gport utility will not let me change the port parameters when in MV from the
Tandy menu gport facility.
the message that will not let me use the gport utility on any port

#: 5893 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Aug-90  21:42:57
Sb: #5422-New gfx2
Fm: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
kev, nice work on the gfx2 module. I've used it to play Tazman and there's a
noticable speed up on drawing the scenes.
 I noticed that the docs said (I think) that lines drawn horizonaly are now
faster.  What makes H. lines slower to draw than Verticle lines? And can we
look forward to any faster modules? best regards, Wayne Laird

#: 5906 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Aug-90  18:56:32
Sb: NIL & NILDRV
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: all
Is there a PD NIL & NILDRV here in the databases?
I've looked around, but can't find anything...
Hugo
Press <CR> !>

#: 5908 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Aug-90  21:44:16
Sb: Planet Engine 1.1
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: All
Just got my copy of Planet Engine 1.1, and it's one of the more fun things I've
found in a long time.  It essentially gives you your own personal planetarium
and orrery.  An astronomer would find it quite useful--I think it's a heck of a
lot of fun.  Well worth the $$$.
(I should nudge him to consider a version for the MM/1.)
The above is, of course, solely my personal opinion.

#: 5909 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Aug-90  22:38:58
Sb: #Transferring Apple FIles
Fm: Ladd Temple 73647,2154
To: all
I seem to recall that there was once a program to enable reading data from
Apple disks under OS-9 and copying the files to an OS-9 disk.  Some what like
pc-dos does for ms-dos disks.  If my memory is correct, is the file available
in this forum? Does such a program truly exist? Help - I have 92 data files on
apple disks for a research project I need to have transferred
Thanx for any assistance, guidance you can offer.
Randy Temple
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#: 5915 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-Aug-90  09:46:57
Sb: #5909-#Transferring Apple FIles
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Ladd Temple 73647,2154 (X)
Ladd -
The only Apple/OS9 interface I was aware of was a card called the MILL, and a
version of OS9 ported to it that was written by Steve Childress (my ex boss).
Other than that, I don't know of any disk read/write tools for the apple..
Sorry!
Pete
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#: 5926 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-Aug-90  22:14:05
Sb: #5915-#Transferring Apple FIles
Fm: Ladd Temple 73647,2154
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Thanx for your help Pete.  I guess my memory isn't as good as I thought it was.
I'll have to figure out some other way to get my data over.
<<<Ladd>>>
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#: 5930 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-Aug-90  23:43:36
Sb: #5926-Transferring Apple FIles
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Ladd Temple 73647,2154
Ladd -
Best/most universal way is to get a terminal emulator up on both machines, and
rig a null modem type RS-232 cable. I still do that here with OS9 boxes and
PC's.
Pete

#: 5916 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-Aug-90  14:51:18
Sb: #Basic09 Windows
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: All
I am having a problem with BASIC09.  I am trying to kill the current window and
recreate a 16 color graphics screen with a window occupying the lower half and
two other windows in the corners (upper left and upper right).  He is my code
for occomplishing this:
 DIM uleft,uright:byte
 RUN gfx2("dwend")
 RUN gfx2(1,"dwset",8,0,12,40,12,0,2,2)
 RUN gfx2(1,"select")
 OPEN #uleft,"/w"
 OPEN #uright,"/w"
 RUN gfx2(uleft,"dwset",0,0,0,20,12,2,0,0)
 RUN gfx2(uright,"dwset",0,20,0,20,12,2,0,0)
 Every time I run this I get a parameter error in the RUN gfx2(uleft,"dwset",0,
0,0,20,12,2,0,0) line.  What am I doing wrong?
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#: 5917 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-Aug-90  16:30:37
Sb: #5916-#Basic09 Windows
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Try doing a:
 RUN gfx2(1,"dwprotsw","off")
after the first DWSet call.
Zack
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#: 5919 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-Aug-90  18:47:36
Sb: #5917-Basic09 Windows
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Thanks!  I'll give it a shot.

#: 5923 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-Aug-90  20:22:02
Sb: help
Fm: Gilles Conte 73357,1103
To: sysop (X)
Hello Mr. Sysop
I will like to know what file I should use to copy a program witch is on a dos
disk to a os9 disk ?
The program in question is a file that I download from the midi forum and it's
a .ARC file so question number two. Does the AR or Pak program will unarc this
file once in os9.???
                     thank you!!!!

#: 5936 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-Aug-90  17:32:41
Sb: #Spoker.PAK
Fm: Ernest Withers Jr. 71545,1117
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Joseph,
     I downloaded your Spoker.PAK and then discovered I didn't have Tim
Koonce's View utility. I have looked in the libraries and can't find it. Where
can I find Tim's view?
Thanks.
Ernie
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#: 5945 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-Aug-90  23:31:39
Sb: #5936-#Spoker.PAK
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Ernest Withers Jr. 71545,1117 (X)
I cannot find it either, it may not be here.  I cannot find my copy (in archive
format), I must have deleted it.  Can anyone here upload view40.ar? Can anyone
upload tetris.ar?  thanks . . .
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#: 5954 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-Aug-90  19:25:53
Sb: #5945-Spoker.PAK
Fm: Ernest Withers Jr. 71545,1117
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
I know I couldn't find it. I thought I already had it but the view in my CMDS
directory is Jim Peasley's file viewer.
Thanks.
Ernie.

#: 5953 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-Aug-90  18:24:15
Sb: Windint
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: [F] Kev 76703,4227
Hi Kev--I've been trying to get the code in Rainbow July <Kissable OS9> to run
and I cant. The problem is in the window section line 7000 onward. When it
opens the new window I cant bounce back to the old one until the new one is
gone. When the called procedure ends, the new window wont go away unless I
bounce a little with the clear button. Then the original window comes back.
Dale Puckett said he thought it was my windint and that I should check with
you. If you haave any thoughts on it I would appreciate your input. Thanks.

#: 5956 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-Aug-90  19:37:25
Sb: #SPoker
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Joseph Cheek
I d'loaded and have played you SPoker program. It runs fine except that the
stitle.vef and opps.vef files do not load correctly. When I try to view them
with the view utility, nothing comes up on the screen. When starting the
program, I have to hit break in order to get the thing started. Any ideas?
Hugo
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#: 5958 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-Aug-90  23:26:32
Sb: #5956-#SPoker
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)
Opps.vef and STitle.vef show up black because all the palettes in the pivture
are black.  SPoker sets the palette up so that you can see them when it is run.
As for having to press BREAK, I do not know.  Can you give me a little more
information?  What happens, when do you hit break, what happens after youo hit
break, etc.  Your problem seems to be unique so far.  Please tell me a little
more so I can best determine how to solve your problem.
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#: 5971 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-Aug-90  15:42:04
Sb: #5958-SPoker
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
That was pretty tricky, the way you load in a picture from a VEF file and then
POOF! it's there!
Zack

#: 5978 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  07:33:45
Sb: #5958-SPoker
Fm: Richard Taylor 73137,3324
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
Does anyone know where I can find the view utility for Spoker. I would like to
get it up and running but have had know success in finding the utility needed.
Thanks..

#: 5981 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  08:51:09
Sb: #5958-SPoker
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
Apparently, it never does reset the palettes. I have to hit break a couple of
times. Then the first screen I get is the one which asks you which opponent you
want to play against.
Hugo

#: 5962 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-Aug-90  01:19:27
Sb: Privledges in BASIC09
Fm: steve Crump 71550,3115
To: All
Everyone,
  I have been working on a sound playing module for BASIC09 that will
  play .pla (macsound) files.  I disassembled the newest PLAY command
  and discovered that its author uses 4 system mode calls (AllRam,
  MapBlk, ClrBlk, and DelRam) to play up to 2 meg for sound.  I have
  tried this techque from BASIC09 using SYSCALL but it won't work
  I get an "ILLEGAL MODE" error. I assume OS9 is telling me I can't
  use those calls from a user program... but if not why can PLAY also
  a user program get away with it. I have disassembled SYSCALL and
  it makes no checks so the error must be coming from OS9 (right?).
  Is there anyway around this problem and if not how do I go about
  "un-protecting" the system mode calls as is mentioned in the manual
  I know someone out there must know.
  Any help would be great.
  Steve Crump
  [71550,3115]

#: 5964 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-Aug-90  01:22:56
Sb: #RS Catalog for 1991
Fm: Tony Cappellini 76370,2104
To: ALL
I thought you all would like to know that I just saw the coco 3 in the new 1991
Radio Shack Catalog along with some games/programs. Must have been a misprint !
TC
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#: 5972 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-Aug-90  15:43:40
Sb: #5964-RS Catalog for 1991
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Tony Cappellini 76370,2104
WOW! It's still in the catalog! Will wonders never cease!

#: 5983 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  09:54:29
Sb: Graphics Viewer
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: ALL
I just uploaded Tim Kientzle's (AKA Tim Koonce) graphics viewer program, VIEW
(Version 4.0, the latest) to DL10. It is what everybody needs to run the new
Poker program. Supports a multitude of formats, and saves screens to a file
also. I
Filename is view40.ar. Will be available as soon as the sysop processe4es [Dit.
Zack
ex
Press <CR> !>

#: 5988 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  13:47:25
Sb: #5971-SPoker
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Thanks.  It comes from setting the palette all black and then resetting it
after the picture is loaded.

#: 5989 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  13:48:31
Sb: #5978-#SPoker
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Richard Taylor 73137,3324
I have looked and I cannot find the required View utility here on CIS.  I know
it is on Delphi.  Can anyone that has a copy handy of View40.ar upload it?
There is 1 Reply.

#: 5993 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  14:29:33
Sb: #5989-SPoker
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
It has been done. It will be available in DL10 as soon as the sysop and CIS
process it.
Zack

#: 5990 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  13:49:39
Sb: #5981-#SPoker
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)
Hmm, do you have gfx2 in memory when you run the program?
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6048 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  17:55:13
Sb: #5990-#SPoker
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
I have runb merged with gfx2, inkey, and syscall. It's the new gfx2 by the
way..
Hugo
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6107 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  21:29:06
Sb: #6048-SPoker
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
Do you have view in memory or in your execution directory when you startup?
What type of monitor do you have?

#: 5991 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  13:51:17
Sb: #5983-Graphics Viewer
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Hey, Zack, thanks a lot for uploading the program.  Mucho Gracias.

#: 5992 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  13:53:43
Sb: #spectrum files
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: all
Does anyone have a need to view .spc (Spectrum Compressed, a file format used
by Atari ST's for pics) files on a CoCo?  If so, I am working on a program to
convert them to three-buffer vefs.
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6000 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  18:47:29
Sb: #5992-spectrum files
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Shucks--it's always nice to have a way to view another graphics file format.
There are so dang many formats out there (and how 'bout that revised GIF
format? Guess that viewgif et al. might need some revision, though I'm
certainly not complaining, because the new GIF handles some important
omissions, e.g. aspect ratio) that it's hard to keep up.  The fellow who wrote
view 4.0 may well have some interest in .spc files.

#: 6001 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  20:44:01
Sb: #5792-Sound Master
Fm: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Check out my new 1.2 version for a driver that only slows down for data (much
faster).  Not sure about popping noises.  I got a buzzing noise when I tried to
add joystick capability (I take that up again in my C version.)
                    -- Jim McDowell

#: 6071 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  00:09:18
Sb: #5792-#Sound Master
Fm: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
If you still want them I'll send you a copy of the musical note conversion for
the SSC. (Just have to type it in.)
                  -- Jim McDowell
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6096 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  14:45:14
Sb: #6071-Sound Master
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435
That would be great! Thanks!1
Floyd

#: 6003 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  21:28:44
Sb: #dl10 quota
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: sysop (X)
DL10 has exceeded it's quota. I have some uploads. Thanks.
Zack
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6006 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  22:18:59
Sb: #6003-dl10 quota
Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
I'll take care of that straight away Zack. Sorry for the hassle.

#: 6007 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  22:40:40
Sb: move/message
Fm: David Jones 76256,1223
To: Sysop (X)
Okay thanks, I guess just move it out of the general messages. I don't know if
anyone reads that base very often.
Thanks again.

#: 6027 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  12:57:39
Sb: BIOS
Fm: David Jones 76256,1223
To: Paul Kacprowicz 72057,345 (X)
Paul, I cut the jumper w3 out,Now I can use the floppies,before,all I got was
the ext-basic signon message. Os9 still wont boot,so I cut the line at b12,and
put a jumper between pins b12 b11, this still doesn't work. I went back to make
sure I posted the right # for the controller. It is a WD1002s-WX28,would this
be any diffrent?
Let me know.
Dave

#: 6029 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  13:51:06
Sb: #CART INTERRUP
Fm: CHUCK OSTERBY 73766,374
To: [F] All
TO: SYSOP RE: OS-9 CART INTERRUPT
I PURCHASED SUBLOGICS FLIGHT SIMULATOR II AND HAVE GREAT TROUBLE LOADING IT. 
HAVE CONTACTED SUBLOGLIC WHO WERE VERY QUICK IN REPL REPLACING THE ORIGINAL
DISK. THIS DID NOT HELP THE PROBLEM AND NO ONE AT SUB LOGIC SEEMS TO BE AWARE
OF THE CART INTERRUPT PROBLEM MENTION IN A RECENT ISSUE OF RAINBOW. SYMPTOMS
ARE:  IENTER DOS COMMAND AND GET THE OS 9 BOOT MESSAGE.  NO PROBLEM.  AFTER THE
SCREEN GIVES ME THE OS 9 LEVEL II VER 2.00.01 MESSAGE AND THE FLIGHT SIMULATOR
BEGINS TO LOAD, THE SCREEN WILL FREEZE AND I WILL SEE HORIZONTAL WHITE STREAKS
ABOUT 2 INCHES LONG AND ONE OR TWO SCAN LINES HIGH FLASHING ACROSS MY SCREEN. 
NOTHING FURTHER WILL HAPPEN UNTIL I PRESS H PRESS THE RESET BUTTON WHEN I AGAIN
RECIEVE THE OS9 BOOT  MESSAGE. AFTER 8 TO 27 ATTEMPTS, THE GAME WILL LOAD AND
OPERATE. ONLY ONCE IN AWHILE WILL IT FREEZE WHILE THE SIMULATION IS RUNNING. IS
THERE ANY CURE???
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6086 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  04:58:42
Sb: #6029-CART INTERRUP
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: CHUCK OSTERBY 73766,374
Chuck -
Flight Sim shouldn't be affected by the CART IRQ stuff. It uses internally
generated (software) interrupts instead.
I take it that you're booting from their stock straight-to-game disk?
If so, it sounds perhaps more like a disk drive alignment or read problem, to
me. Is there a friend close by whose system you could try it on?  Many of us
have really old disk drives nowadays, and they get weak over time (and out of
wack).
Try cleaning up the disk controller contacts, multipak contacts, anywhere you
have a cable or plugin. If that doesn't work then I'd try to test it with
another drive (perhaps take your 512K coco down to a RS store).
Keep us informed as to your progress. Luck! - Kev

#: 6033 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  15:38:11
Sb: #/nil driver
Fm: Dan Charrois 70721,1506
To: all
Where might I find the /nil driver and descriptor?  Is there a copy of it
somewhere on CIS??
  Thanks... Dan
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6047 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  17:48:55
Sb: #6033-#/nil driver
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Dan Charrois 70721,1506 (X)
Dan - I'm about to post one, if there's not one already. Standby.
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6062 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  20:30:16
Sb: #6047-/nil driver
Fm: Dan Charrois 70721,1506
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Thanks, Kev, for your posting of the /nil driver.

#: 6040 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  17:22:11
Sb: #5889-#MV and Eliminator
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 (X)
Thx for reminder. Just got back from a week-long trip around the country. I'll
be sure to ask Kent Meyers what the deal is with GPort.
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6070 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  00:08:58
Sb: #6040-MV and Eliminator
Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Thanks I am real curious about that. JS

#: 6041 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  17:26:19
Sb: #5893-New gfx2
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042
Thanks Wayne!  You meant grfdrv, not gfx2, yah?  Grfdrv had some orphan
(unused) code left in it where they obviously meant to speed up horizontal line
draws by setting entire bytes (instead of just pixels which could be half bytes
or even single bits in 2-color mode, right?) whenever possible... like on a
longer line run.  All I did was, well, throw out their stuff and write my own
version of what they had intended to do <grin>.
Vertical lines always set the same bit positions within a byte, and so were
already inherently as fast as they could go. If that makes sense ;-)

#: 6042 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  17:28:59
Sb: #5906-#NIL & NILDRV
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)
Hugo - I would've thought that there was a Nil driver in the libs here... but
maybe not. Seems like someone else asked the same thing not long ago. I believe
(could be wrong) that the original Rainbow Guide had one. Or was that Dibble's
OS9 Notes? Hmmm. Anyway, lemme rummage around.
There are 2 Replies.

#: 6049 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  17:57:19
Sb: #6042-NIL & NILDRV
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
The reason I asked for /NIL and NILDRV was that a friend was having trouble
with his. He was using the Level I version and thought it wasn't compatible
with Level II. It turns out the 2 versions are exactly the same. So his
problems seem to stem from the BLOB. He has reaaranged his bootlist, and so far
things are OK.
Hugo

#: 6053 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  19:29:40
Sb: #6042-NIL & NILDRV
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
I got my nil device and driver with the Dev Pack. But surely something as us
useful and commonly needed as these something could be made available to the
PD.
Zack
ps, Welcome back!

#: 6043 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  17:36:09
Sb: #5953-#Windint
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
Hi Phil - It may be a problem in cc3io, where it chooses windows. I'll try to
take a look... I think others have mentioned similar troubles. Methinks that a
different Select sequence in the program fixes it. back later.
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6103 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  19:52:35
Sb: #6043-Windint
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Thanks a bunch Kev--Your new GFX2 is great and I really want to utilize it.
I'll be looking forward to your findings.

#: 6044 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  17:39:25
Sb: #5962-#Privledges in BASIC09
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: steve Crump 71550,3115 (X)
Hey Steve -  maybe there's a mistake in using syscall? (you know, stuff we all
do like using the wrong number for a statcall?)  Can you email or post here a
sample of the call where you get an error? Which F$xxx gives it to you?
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6095 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  12:30:53
Sb: #6044-#Privledges in BASIC09
Fm: steve Crump 71550,3115
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin,
  You are right. Stupid little error. I was attempting to write my
  BASIC09 code more like C-Code so I made the following declaration:
  F_AllRam=$39
  I forgot BASIC09 assumes all Un-Dimensionalized varaibles as REAL.
  So I passed syscall a real when it wanted an Integer or Byte.
  It just grabbed the first two byte of the floating point number
  which must have contain a nonexistant System Call number.
  That does lead me to another question though, is there a way to
  relatively easily convert floating point reals to longs (4 byte
  integers) or integers in an ML program.  I understand some about
  floating point numbers but not enougherstand how to convert
  between the two.  I wish the Poel RMA Library had included some
  floating point number routines.
  Steve Crump
  [71550,3115]
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6100 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  15:56:37
Sb: #6095-Privledges in BASIC09
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: steve Crump 71550,3115
Steve - yah, I do that all the time myself.  Whenever a basic09/syscall program
doesn't work for me, I first go back and check to make sure I wasn't passing a
path number as a real, or an Integer to a Byte var, etc.
I don't know of any float->int/long stuff around.  To a 2-byte Int I just let
Basic09 do it (Ints are 4 bytes under Basic/68K).  I'll ask around, tho.
 kev

#: 6054 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  19:34:40
Sb: Fractals
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: ALL
Anyone interested in Fractals should check out my latest uploads, zoom.ar,
zoom1.ar, and zoom2.ar in DL10.
Zack

#: 6061 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  20:03:46
Sb: Member.AR
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: All
  I have just re-uploaded Members.AR to DL10.
  The original Memberdir program only allocated the default of 32 chars for the
Name and PPN and I have since found out that this is not quite long enough for
those I.D.'s that include 'titles' in them.
  If you don't wish to re-download the whole thing, this bug may be corrected
by changing the 2 DIM statements that contain "name$" and name_array() to
STRING[40] from just STRING and re-'pack'ing.
  At the same time, Tele.B09 has been enhanced to allow passing it an input
parameter to search for.
  ...Jim

#: 6076 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  00:39:05
Sb: #5916-#Basic09 Windows
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Floyd - you were simply giving too many parameters... a dwset to the same
screen does not take a border color parameter (only the original window needs
this). So try:
 PROCEDURE W3test
 DIM uleft,uright:BYTE
 RUN gfx2("dwend")
 RUN gfx2(1,"dwset",8,0,12,40,12,0,2,2)
 RUN gfx2(1,"select")
 OPEN #uleft,"/w"
 OPEN #uright,"/w"
 RUN gfx2(uleft,"dwset",0,0,0,20,12,2,0)
 RUN gfx2(uright,"dwset",0,20,0,20,12,2,0)
 PRINT #uleft,"Upper Left"
 PRINT #uright,"Upper Right"
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#: 6097 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  14:47:06
Sb: #6076-Basic09 Windows
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Oh!  Thanks.  It probably says that in the manual somewhere, doesn't it?  By
the way, whatever happened with the OS9 version of Kyum Gai?
Floyd

#: 6079 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  02:14:25
Sb: #5923-help
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Gilles Conte 73357,1103 (X)
Gilles -
I think most people use Bob Santy's modified CC3Disk driver module. To make it
from a stock L-II cc3disk, you'll need:
 Lib 10  -  PATCH.AR   (the IPatch command)
            CC3DIS.AR
To use that new driver to read/write PC disks, get:
 Lib 10  -  PCDOS.AR
 Lib  9  -  DMODE.AR   (you may already have this)
And to dearc at least the older arc'd PC files use:
 Lib  9  - DEARC.BIN
Yell if need help or have Q's. - kev

#: 6080 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  02:22:23
Sb: #5972-RS Catalog for 1991
Fm: mike wafkowski 72245,126
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
It's not in the '91 computer catalog--<MW>

#: 6098 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  14:50:54
Sb: #Decimal to Hex
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: All
What is the easiest way to convert decimal numbers to hex in Basic09?  I know
that PRINT USING will do that but I need the result in a variable (string, of
course).  So how do I do it?
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6101 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  17:06:18
Sb: #6098-Decimal to Hex
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
Floyd  -
The simplest way is to write a subroutine that divides by hex column weights:
4096, 256, 16, and 1 (using that order, and only using the remainder of the
previous operation).
Pete

#: 6117 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-Aug-90  04:24:14
Sb: #6027-BIOS
Fm: Paul Kacprowicz 72057,345
To: David Jones 76256,1223
Dave,
      Sorry, I don't know if the WX-28 is any different from the WX-1
controller that you mentioned in your first message.  The instructions from
Burke & Burke were 'generic' so I would guess they'd work with any controller
that was compatible with the CoCo XT.
Did you get a boot disk with the system and are you able to boot OS9 using the
MPI and that boot disk?  And are you able to access the HD that way? Did the
SCII come with the system? If not, then make sure you are using Disto drivers. 
Check the SCII docs.  I believe that the MEB uses addresses $FF50-$FF57, which
conflict with the XT.  So you may not be able to use the SCII, or at least the
expansion bus, with a Y-cable and the XT.
If you're creating your own boot disk then do you have a CMDS directory with
Shell & Grfdrv ('attr e pe' both) on /d0?
The length of the Y-cable can also affect performance.  Most who reluctantly
agree that you can even use a Y-cable say to keep it as short as possible; a
few inches at most.  Mine is about 12 inches.  I"m not recommending that
length; just letting you know what I'm using.  Also be sure that nothing else
on the cable is in conflict with the XT's addresses.
I don't know if any of this will help you.  You may want to contact CRC or Tony
DiStefano (if he's not here on CIS, he's on Delphi as username "DISTO").
           -- Paul

#: 6120 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-Aug-90  12:11:13
Sb: #6100-Privledges in BASIC09
Fm: steve Crump 71550,3115
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Thanx Kevin.

#: 6131 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-Aug-90  18:54:48
Sb: #6080-RS Catalog for 1991
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: mike wafkowski 72245,126
WRONG!! Look on page 50 of the 1991 Computer Catalog.
Zack

#: 6136 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-Aug-90  22:08:50
Sb: #6107-#SPoker
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Yes, View is in the exec directory. I have the CM-8 monitor. It's a strange
problem to be sure.
Hugo
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6151 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Aug-90  20:28:57
Sb: #6136-SPoker
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)
Certainly is.  The only thing I can think of then is that mebbe you have some
strange windint patch that does wierd things . . . I really can see no reason
for that effect.

#: 6180 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Aug-90  05:35:55
Sb: #5993-SPoker
Fm: Richard Taylor 73137,3324
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Thanks alot for getting view40.ar for all. I appreciate it, thanks again Zack.

#: 6179 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Aug-90  05:32:27
Sb: #5989-SPoker
Fm: Richard Taylor 73137,3324
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
Yes I have looked here also and was not able to find it either. I am not on
Delphi at this time but maybe someone here is and could get it for all of us.

#: 6137 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-Aug-90  22:11:13
Sb: #Soundmaster
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Jim McDowell
Jim,
Downloaded the new soundmaster. Can't get any sound out using the new SSCart
and SSC. Has anyone else reported problems?
Yes, I did set exec attribute and single user attribute.
Hugo
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6140 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Aug-90  00:23:34
Sb: #6137-#Soundmaster
Fm: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)
No one else has mentioned sound problems, but its early to tell. Did you try
INIZ ssc
            ECHO HI >/SSC to check if it is being recognized? Are you using the
2MHz or the 1MHz SSCART?  I haven't been able to personally test the 2MHz
driver. Does the screen draw okay? Did You boot from MV?
                  -- Jim McDowell
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#: 6153 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Aug-90  21:56:44
Sb: #6140-Soundmaster
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435 (X)
I'll try INIZ after I log off. Yes, I booted from Mvue and the program itself
seems to run fine. I'm using the "slow" driver.
Hugo

#: 6141 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Aug-90  09:35:58
Sb: Coco 3 Items For Sale
Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
To: All
The company that I work for has the following Color Computer hardware and
software for sale:
   * 26-3334 Color Computer 3 (87 GIME) w/Hemphill 512K, $100.00.
   * 26-3124 Multi-Pak Interface w/PAL upgrade installed, $50.00.
   * DS/DD 5.25" Teac 40 track floppy disk drive (not used very
     much, should be in very good condition), $50.00.
   * Dual 5.25" floppy disk drive cabinet with power supply and
     power connectors for two floppy drives (drives mount
     vertically), $40.00.
   * Disto Super RamDisk Cartridge with 1 Megabyte (!) RAM
     installed, all RS-DOS and OS-9 level 1 & 2 software drivers
     included, $100.00.
   * Disto Super (floppy) Controller 2 with no-halt operation
     under OS-9, drivers for OS-9 included, $50.00.
   * Disto Real Time Clock & Parallel Printer Adaptor Board for
     Disto products with Mini Expansion Bus (Disto Super
     Controller, Super Ramdisk, or MEB adaptor), parallel printer
     cable included.  Includes RS-DOS and OS9 software, $25.00.
   * 26-3031 OS-9 Level 2 Operating System, $40.00.
   * 26-3032 OS-9 Development System (with RMA manual from
     Microware), $50.00.
   * 26-3038 OS-9 C Compiler, $50.00.
   * D.P. Johnson's SDisk3 & MSF - read/write/format all OS-9
     formats, MSF is a file manager that adds the capability to
     read, write, format MS/PC DOS disks and comes with utilities
     to get a MS-DOS directory, change file attributes, copy and
     delete files from MS-DOS diskettes, $40.00.
Feel free to make your own offer for any of these items. All original manuals,
documentation and diskettes are included, shipping via UPS ground.  If you are
interested, please leave me E-Mail here or give me a call at JBM Electronics
between 8:30 AM and 4:30 PM CST at (314) 426-7781.  PLEASE NOTE:  I will be on
vacation until August 21, 1990.
- Jay Truesdale
J

#: 6146 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Aug-90  17:15:01
Sb: #Max9 & Icons ?
Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631
To: Kevin Darling
I was wondering if it is possible to make your Max9 graphics editor be able to
read and edit MultiView icons.   It might be interesting to get some Icons with
a little more color and pizazz.      Joerg
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6149 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Aug-90  20:25:20
Sb: #6146-Max9 & Icons ?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 (X)
Yah, I always wanted to add buffer-editing capability. Right after this
windowing junk is done, I plan to get back to working on gfx editors and other
neat tools. The idea will be to make lots of neat utils that can be pasted
together via a script file... creating super-apps of any kind.

#: 6147 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Aug-90  18:34:31
Sb: TAR
Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631
To:  72057,3720
I saw a Tape archive utility in DL 9 and was wondering what the hardware
requirements were, if any ????? The file is called TAR.AR and was uploaded by
you in Sep. 89. Thanks for the info in advance.    Joerg

#: 6148 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Aug-90  19:28:34
Sb: #gfx2bug?
Fm: JOHN R. WAINWRIGHT 72517,676
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
Hey Kevin,
    Anybody (besides me) having trouble getting the "fill" function to work
with the new GFX2 module?  I was trying to play with fonts using Ron Lammardo's
"edfont" program.  It runs with original GFX2, but won't run on the new one
unless I wipe out all the "Fill" lines.  Same story on the demo program
"colorbox" in the L-II/BASIC09 manual (pg 9-93). Using the "fill" function with
the new GFX2 produces an "ERROR 48" - (Unimplemented Routine).
    The CRC of my new GFX2 module is 471CCE.
    Maybe I got a hiccup in my download, watcha think?
John Wainwright
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#: 6150 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Aug-90  20:26:37
Sb: #6148-#gfx2bug?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: JOHN R. WAINWRIGHT 72517,676 (X)
Uh oh. That doesn't sound good. I guess I shoulda tested each and every routine
first. Wonder if I accidentally left out Fill?  Do you see the name when you
dump that gfx2?  Thanks for the report! - kev
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#: 6152 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Aug-90  21:11:01
Sb: #6150-#gfx2bug?
Fm: Shawn Thomas 76226,3237
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev- I have also seen an error 48 with gfx2, but I can't remember which program
now.  It was one I downloaded from this forum.  I'll try to find out which one.
I do remember it happening during a fill tho.
Time to get out the Raid?
Shawn
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#: 6157 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Aug-90  07:23:22
Sb: #6152-gfx2bug?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Shawn Thomas 76226,3237 (X)
Shawn - I've uploaded an ipatch file to fix the Fill bug. Should be enabled by
Friday afternoon.... check for it then.
My goof. Had an extra byte left in from taking out something else. Figures ;-).
Thanks for pointing out the mistake. It was a dumb one, I'll guarantee that!
Let's hope that's the only one <hehe>. best - kev

#: 6166 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Aug-90  20:04:06
Sb: #6150-#gfx2bug?
Fm: JOHN R. WAINWRIGHT 72517,676
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin,: Yep.  I dumped it, and Fill was there (but I think its broke) BTW did
you ever get that Air Conditioner fixed? JohnW
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#: 6167 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Aug-90  20:34:47
Sb: #6166-#gfx2bug?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: JOHN R. WAINWRIGHT 72517,676 (X)
Yep, there was one extra byte (a $FF) sitting before Fill's name, and that
goofs up everything. The ipatch file will fix that.  Nope, never did get the
main A/C fixed... we need a new one... but instead borrowed some window units
which do okay. Matter of fact, I'm a lot happier (cooler!) now that I have a
window unit in my computer room!  Can't believe I used to work all night
sweating in 90 degree heat. Silly.
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#: 6168 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Aug-90  21:10:33
Sb: #6167-gfx2bug?
Fm: JOHN R. WAINWRIGHT 72517,676
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Wow! That was quick.  Found ipatch file. Applied same. It works! Thanks for the
fast response, Kevin.  Glad you found a way to cool off.  (That 90 deg heat is
tough on the electronics too). JohnW

#: 6158 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Aug-90  07:24:25
Sb: #6148-gfx2bug?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: JOHN R. WAINWRIGHT 72517,676 (X)
John - in a coupla days there'll be a fix in Lib 10. You were right!  Fill was
broken. thx - kev

#: 6165 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Aug-90  18:17:03
Sb: #6148-gfx2bug?
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: JOHN R. WAINWRIGHT 72517,676 (X)
I have the exact same problem.  To get around it, I just printed the codes to
the screen.

#: 6155 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Aug-90  22:38:04
Sb: Solid State Disk Pack
Fm: STUART LIPOFF 76012,3173
To: all
Can anyone give me a lead on a product advertised in old Rainbows. I can not
find it in current verison.  It was a solid state battery backed up static RAM
pack to fit in the multiport.  It was designed to work with OS9 as a solid
state disk drive.  I need the name, address, and phone number of the vendor.

#: 6169 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Aug-90  21:44:28
Sb: #SndMstr 1.2 Bug Error 48
Fm: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435
To: all
There seems to be a bug in the version 1.2 of Sound Master.  Error 48 keeps
popping up.  The solution for some unexplained (as yet) reason seems to be
using the new GFX2 available on the forum.
                       -- Jim McDowell
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#: 6176 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Aug-90  23:31:28
Sb: #6169-#SndMstr 1.2 Bug Error 48
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435 (X)
Jim - check the msgs around yours. There's a patch for that new gfx2 which
corrects the Fill command. That could be the error 48.
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#: 6187 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Aug-90  21:42:57
Sb: #6176-SndMstr 1.2 Bug Error 48
Fm: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Thanks for the note. I think the Error 48 occurred when using the stock L-II
GFX2.  But with your new GFX2 I didn't get the error.  Can't figure out why
unless when packing the program it compiles in somehthing from GFX2 (since I
had the new GFX2 in memory when revising it, although I didn't use any new
features in my program) But I can't imagine it needing to do that.  But I may
try repacking it with the stock GFX2 in memory to see what happens.
               -- Jim McDowell

#: 6173 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Aug-90  22:45:05
Sb: #5926-Transferring Apple FIles
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: Ladd Temple 73647,2154
If the Apple computer is still around, then you could probably go the RS-232
route.
I recall reading some where that Apple and Commodore diskette were incompatible
with most drives used on OS9 systems.
Lee

#: 6175 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Aug-90  22:54:28
Sb: #5992-spectrum files
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
Don't know about .spc files, but a PCer asked me if I had a TIFF viewer. I
asked if he meant GIF, and he said "no, TIFF", then he reeled off what the
acronym stood for, but I don't recall what it was.
We were talking about sharing/swapping graphics.
Lee

#: 6182 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Aug-90  15:50:59
Sb: Error Messages
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: All
I have just a quick suggestion:  When leaving messages that deal with errors
(i.e. "This program gave an error 43"), please leave the error message as well.

#: 6184 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Aug-90  17:55:42
Sb: #bad upload!!
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: ALL
My apologies to all who have downloaded my zoom.ar, Fractal Zoom Viewer
program. A last minute, untested change broke it severly. I have uploaded a
replacement, which I hope the sysop will process as soon as possible. Sorry,
people.
Zack
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#: 6185 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Aug-90  20:07:24
Sb: #6184-bad upload!!
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Zack,
It's mergatating as I type. Thanks for the extra effort .. and thankfully
uploads are still free of connect charges!
Steve
Press <CR> !>

#: 6193 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-Aug-90  11:53:42
Sb: #6175-#spectrum files
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)
I've heard of IFF, but not TIFF.  IFF is used by the Amiga, and I have docs on
the format (for pictures, at least--IFF is used by about everything from text
to pictures to whatnot).  They're kinda cryptic, tho.  I also know of a package
an acquaintance of mine put together describing about everything you'd ever
want to know about IFF but I can't download it . . . it's too big! (I don't
have very much disk room--using one 180K floppy plus a ramdisk (about 96K) plus
one read-only 360K drive).  anyway, mebbe after I finish my .spc viewer I'll
look into it.
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#: 6214 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-Aug-90  23:46:38
Sb: #6193-#spectrum files
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Joseph,
  TIFF (more commonly seen as files with the .TIF extension) is a gray scale
picture format more commonly used in desktop publishing on IBM'ish PC's. MS-DOG
program like PC PAINTBRUSH IV (Plus) has .TIF available to is as file
input/output.
  Dan
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#: 6224 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Aug-90  16:14:33
Sb: #6214-#spectrum files
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)
Hmm, I have never seen docs on the TIFF format.  I don't suppose you know where
to get some, do you?
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#: 6234 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Aug-90  21:50:04
Sb: #6224-spectrum files
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Joseph,
  Not off hand....but if you want....you might want to try the IBM File Finder
and see if it hits. GO IBMFF is the command to get your there....search on a
KEYWORD of both TIFF and TIF and see if it hits.
  Dan

#: 6194 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-Aug-90  11:55:29
Sb: #6179-SPoker
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Richard Taylor 73137,3324
If you are talking about Tim Koonce's View program, Zack Sessions has already
uploaded it for us.  check lib 10.

#: 6216 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Aug-90  00:03:57
Sb: NEW BBS
Fm: DAVID HENSLEY 73030,3717
To: ALL
Hey, OS9'ers. There is a new BBS in town. The BIO-CHIP BBS located in Minot
AFB, ND. Operating 8/N/1 from 9PM to 7AM everyday. Phone is 701-723-4554.
Mostly OS9 but we have RSDOS too and also IBM/Atarie/Apple/Commodor, etc. This
is a new BBS but we have ALOT to offer. Give us a call.

#: 6217 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Aug-90  02:18:32
Sb: #HOOKING CM-8 TO IBM
Fm: Michael Harris 76370,1702
To: ALL
Is it possiable to hook an IBM computer to a CM-8 monitor to see text and CGA
graphics.
Michael Harris [76370,1702]
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#: 6221 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Aug-90  02:28:46
Sb: #6217-HOOKING CM-8 TO IBM
Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
To: Michael Harris 76370,1702 (X)
The CM-8 is an analog monitor... the IBM normally puts out digital RGB info,
when used with a CGA adapter.
Thus, the answer is "no, not easily".  It might be possible to convert the RGB
Digital to RBG Analog, but it would require a hardware conversion.
Wayne

#: 6218 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Aug-90  02:18:40
Sb: #Auto Newsgroup Program
Fm: Michael Harris 76370,1702
To: all
Is anybody working on a program to scan and get messages automaticly like the
IBM program TAPCIS. I'M using Level 2 on a COCO 3 and would like to have a
program to do all the work for me.
Michael Harris [76370,1702]
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#: 6222 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Aug-90  07:46:16
Sb: #6218-#Auto Newsgroup Program
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Michael Harris 76370,1702 (X)
I heard some time ago that Chris Babcock was working on one--I don't know how
far along he's gotten, and when I first heard of it, he said the DECB version
would be first.  (I hope he's changed his mind and gone for an OS-9 version
that would go on the MM/1 and the CoCo 3 with minimal bother.)
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#: 6233 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Aug-90  21:48:42
Sb: #6222-Auto Newsgroup Program
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
James,
  Chris has abandonned the idea of an "auto" type program for the CoCo.
  I believe this has been mentioned several times, both here and in the CoCo
Forum. Should he change his mind, I'll pass the word along, as I do have lunch
with him on several occasions.
   Dan

#: 6225 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Aug-90  19:08:12
Sb: #B09
Fm: ROGER SMITH 72057,2364
To: ALL
I am writing a Basic09 programme in which I want to turn off the echo in a
window opened with the "/w" descriptor. I cannot use SHELL "xmode /w4 -echo"
for instance because I do not know the number of the window device. Selecting
it and then running xmode doesn't seem to work either. I have the feeling that
there must be a set of values which can be put along the path to the window in
question which will do the trick.... TYPE echoff=esc,value:BYTE DIM
putval:echoff putval.esc=??? putval.value=??? OPEN #path,"/w" PUT #path,putval
Can anyone fill in the blanks? Thanks.... Rog.
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#: 6227 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Aug-90  19:17:11
Sb: #6225-B09
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: ROGER SMITH 72057,2364 (X)
There's a syscall that will return the name of a device.  I have used that
before to get the name of a window just opened.  The syscall is SS.DevNm. It's
on page 8-115.
Floyd

#: 6235 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Aug-90  21:57:58
Sb: #6225-B09
Fm: Randy Wilson 71561,756
To: ROGER SMITH 72057,2364 (X)
Roger,
    The easiest way I can think of is to use SysCall. Consider this example:
  ....
  TYPE registers=cc,a,b,dp:BYTE;x,y,u:INTEGER
  DIM reg:registers
  DIM opt(32):byte
  ....
  ....
  OPEN #wpath, "/w":UPDATE
  reg.x=addr(opt)
  reg.b=$00
  reg.a=wpath
  RUN SYSCALL($8D,reg)
  opt(5)=0
  reg.a=wpath
  reg.b=$00
  reg.x=addr(opt)
  RUN SYSCALL($8E,reg)
  ....
  ....
    What this does is use the OS9 Getstat and Setstat calls to get, modify, and
store the options for the unknown window.
 References:
   Basic09 manual:
      Syscall    11-166
   Tech manual:
      SCF path options   6-4 6-5
      GetStat            8-54
      Setstat            8-63
      SS.opt             8-112  8-131
Ask on anything unclear (the way I write, probably all of it)
Randy

#: 6244 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Aug-90  02:37:59
Sb: #6225-B09
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: ROGER SMITH 72057,2364
Roger -
Xmode only works BEFORE a device is opened.  Once you have a path, tmode is
what you would use... except that tmode only works for the first 3 paths
(standard in/out/err).
So you have to use syscall to do an SS.Opt set-status call, which is what tmode
does.
Whoever gave the example Syscall code is doing what you need to do. Try his
code and ask him Q's until you get going okay. Keep at it! best - kev

#: 6253 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Aug-90  18:17:23
Sb: os-9 emulation
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: all
Does anyone here call using OS-9 emulation?  I know that it is not supported by
the systems here, but does anyone call using that anyway?  Just curious...
Press <CR> !>

#: 6256 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Aug-90  19:38:08
Sb: #6253-#os-9 emulation
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
I typically call up using either sterm or kermit, and to the best of my
knowledge, both of these don't do any sort of terminal emulation, and hence I
guess do "OS-9 emulation" <grin>.  I have my profile set up just as "CRT," if
memory serves.
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#: 6257 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Aug-90  20:33:44
Sb: #6256-#os-9 emulation
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Hmm, hey, great.  The reason I was wondering was because . . . well, yesterday
I called a local PCBoard and (as I always do) browsed the ANSI conference. Some
of the artistry that happens is really magnificent (I really love the
animation!)  And, (as I always do) I thought about how OS-9 emulation was so
far superior to ANSI, yet ANSI has tons of support and ours has, well, to my
knowledge, practically nil (/nil? 8-).  Anyway, the point is, that I was hoping
that somewhere somehow sometime we could get an 'OS-9 emulation place', where
people do all sorts of fancy graphics using _OS-9_emulation_.  I was thinking
that, if enough people here use the OS-9 emulation to call, we could put one up
here.  Does anyone have any suggestions?  Is there enough support to warrant
one?  How many people would decide that the OS-9 emulation had enough support
to stop calling in Vidtex or ANSI (or whatever--right now I use ANSI for my CIS
calling)?  What would happen to the people that did not have access to the OS-9
emulation?  Right now I am looking for feedback.  Anyone?  Anyone?
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#: 6260 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Aug-90  21:18:04
Sb: #6257-#os-9 emulation
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Joe, I think I see what you mean.  I believe that I have called some OS9 BBS's
which do have a coco-3 mode.. they open overlays on your screen, change colors,
etc.
They also usually have other modes, PC, etc.  You select the mode you want when
you log in.  Is this what you meant?
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#: 6261 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Aug-90  21:41:58
Sb: #6260-#os-9 emulation
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
I know RiBBS supports OS9 screen control codes.  It's nice to see an overlay
window pop up for the message base menu when reading messages.  I also support
OS9 codes in a fantasy adventure BBS I wrote.  When checking inventory or
current status, an overlay (actually two) window pops up.  It looks really
sharp.  I would love to see a board that totally supported all the OS9 codes.
That way we could have real graphics instead of text simulated graphics.
Floyd
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#: 6263 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Aug-90  21:54:43
Sb: #6261-#os-9 emulation
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
RiBBS does that; so does RCIS.  I don't know of any others offhand.
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#: 6272 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Aug-90  06:13:43
Sb: #6263-#os-9 emulation
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
What's RCIS?  Never heard of it before.
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#: 6273 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Aug-90  06:38:49
Sb: #6272-#os-9 emulation
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
It's a BBS package written by a fellow named--rats, I don't remember his name.
Steve something.  I used to call one of them up (they communicate among
themselves something in the fashion of FIDO systems) before I decided I'd
better do something about my long distance bill <sigh>.  I don't know whether
I'd run one of them myself, even though it seems like a very nice BBS, because
while I was calling, there seemed to be some dispute going on centering on one
of the folks who was running RCIS, and it came out during the discussion that
the BBS has a back door in it.  I'm not going to knowingly give random people
access to everything on my system.
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#: 6276 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Aug-90  14:40:15
Sb: #6273-os-9 emulation
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Yeah, a backdoor into your system would not be good.  I would like to see the
system, however.  I wrote one myself.  Unfortunately, since I can't afford a
second phone line, it's just collecting dust (figuratively speaking!).
Floyd

#: 6266 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Aug-90  22:16:58
Sb: #6260-#os-9 emulation
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
That is what I meant, however, not what I wanted.  What I was hoping for was
some area devoted to displaying OS-9 emulation graphics . . . like an OS-9
emulation echo (for FIDONet, etc.) or perhaps on here.  Someplace that we could
all display our OS-9 emulation creations.  At any rate, I want to be a part of
it.
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#: 6269 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Aug-90  01:54:42
Sb: #6266-#os-9 emulation
Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Well, the libraries would be a natural repository for such files, which could
be stored in whatever binary format the file needs.  Would not the BBS/TSMon
library fill such a need?
Wayne
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#: 6275 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Aug-90  12:00:08
Sb: #6269-#os-9 emulation
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X)
What I was hoping to do was have a dedicated message base for them.  They look
bettere when you see them in messages, plus will have more support.  Just
drawing pics and uploading (and then people must download and then view) is
just not the same.
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#: 6277 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Aug-90  19:55:53
Sb: #6275-#os-9 emulation
Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
The problem with that is that the message base here on CompuServe is going to
have to be restricted to normal ASCII characters, without any escape codes. 
That's a system-wide requirement, since the same software is used to support so
many different kinds of computers and terminals.
Wayne
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#: 6278 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-Aug-90  20:58:52
Sb: #6277-#os-9 emulation
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X)
Hmm, oh, well.  I guess we can just upload some pics, eh?
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#: 6279 S10/Tandy CoCo
    23-Aug-90  00:25:35
Sb: #6278-os-9 emulation
Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Yeah, that's about all I could think of.
Wayne

#: 6262 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Aug-90  21:44:44
Sb: #Graphics
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: All
I have a curiosity question.  What would it take to make the CoCo capable of
640x200 256 color graphics?  I realize that one screen would take 128k so any
128k machine would be out.  But are we talking an impossibility, a redesign of
the entire machine, or just a new GIME chip?
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#: 6264 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Aug-90  22:04:05
Sb: #6262-Graphics
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Well...a new GIME chip, or some external graphics device with appropriate
drivers, is what would be necessary.  The other problem involved with this is
memory addressing.  256 colors out of a larger palette is 1 byte/pixel, and for
640*200 that's, um, on the order of 128K, which makes for some very tricky
situations on the 6809 with its 16-bit address space.  It would be thrashing
away at the GIME to get to it all--unless you really went with an external
device that had its own memory and ways to get to it.
The question one would have to ask oneself is, if you went to that much
trouble, would you have done very much less than you would have done were you
to design a 680xx box?  It may be cheaper to buy an MM/1.
Now, if I were in wish mode, I'd wish for a bigger palette than the very
unfortunate RGB222 (two bits of resolution for each color component) that the
GIME provides.  Heck, they say that blue resolution in the human eye is worse,
so folks often shortchange blue in favor of R and G, so one could even go with
RGB 332, stay within a byte for palette register contents, and get rather
better results than we can get now on the CoCo 3.

#: 6280 S10/Tandy CoCo
    23-Aug-90  04:51:19
Sb: #B09 bug?
Fm: Paul Kacprowicz 72057,345
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin, I recently discovered what appears to me to be a bug in Basic09.  When a
data file is modified using:
    open #path,"filename":update
    get #path,info
    (*modifiy info here*)
    seek #path,0
    put #path, info
    close #path
...the 'date last modified' is not always updated.
Further testing showed that although the public read/write attributes are set,
the timestamp is not updated unless superuser or the owner of the file has done
the access.
It seems to me that that could cause potential problems on shared files. Am I
missing something?  Is there a logical explanation for this, or is this indeed
a bug?
                       -- Paul
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#: 6281 S10/Tandy CoCo
    23-Aug-90  07:03:55
Sb: #6280-B09 bug?
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Paul Kacprowicz 72057,345 (X)
If it's a bug, it's an RBF bug rather than BASIC09, since RBF is what should be
doing the update.  I'd agree with you that it doesn't make sense--why should it
matter who is modifying the file?

#: 6282 S10/Tandy CoCo
    23-Aug-90  09:53:53
Sb: #6280-B09 bug?
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Paul Kacprowicz 72057,345 (X)
Paul -
Hmm... is the update actually taking place? I.e., does the non-superuser/owner
have permission to write to the file?
Pete

#: 6283 S10/Tandy CoCo
    23-Aug-90  12:51:40
Sb: #6117-BIOS
Fm: bob hemedinger 76256,427
To: Paul Kacprowicz 72057,345 (X)
I jumped into this thread a little late, but I am also having problems with
using a burke&burke xt interface in a multipak interface. I can not access my
/t2 port while my SCII (w/4in1 board) is in the multipak. I had to go with the
B&B interface because I couldn't find any of the recommended SASI/SCSI
interfaces from the 4in1 manual. The parallel port and clock work with no
problems, but attempts to access /t2 result in the locking up the window that
runs the shell that tried to access /t2.

#: 6286 S10/Tandy CoCo
    23-Aug-90  19:52:00
Sb: #game
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: floyd resler
Kudos on your Rescue game. Very good. and bug free too!
Hugo
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#: 6292 S10/Tandy CoCo
    24-Aug-90  15:33:31
Sb: #6286-game
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
Thanks!  I finally got one to work properly!  Actually, it took several upload
attempts.  My first time I forgot to include the font file in the archive.  So
I added that and added 4 more levels.  Then, after uploading, I discovered an
error in one of the levels.  So I reuploaded.  After the upload, I was typing
in the description and my power went out!  I was beginning to think someon{
didn't want me to upload the game.
Floyd

#: 6288 S10/Tandy CoCo
    23-Aug-90  22:03:28
Sb: SCSI devices
Fm: Eric A. Cottrell  [WIT] 76327,515
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
Hi Bob,
I have been trying to catch up on reading messages after my holiday.
Regarding SCSI or SASI devices, I use a sasi controller on my CP/M computer to
talk to a SA850 (8" double sided) floppy disk drive. The spec (SCSI) indicates
that you can also use it for printers!
I assume some inventive person can figure out how to hook any device on it.
73 Eric...

#: 6289 S10/Tandy CoCo
    23-Aug-90  23:42:43
Sb: #Keyboard adapters
Fm: bill jackson 72737,2254
To: all
Can anybody give me any information about IBM style keyboard adapters for the
coco. Will these only work under os9, or also rsdos, and do they need special
software.
Thanks,
Bill Jackson
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#: 6290 S10/Tandy CoCo
    24-Aug-90  02:03:41
Sb: #6289-Keyboard adapters
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: bill jackson 72737,2254 (X)
The IBM Keyboard adapter, AKA - Puppo IBM keyboard interface, works both under
RS-Dos and OS-9.  No special software is needed.  You can get 'em from Frank
Hogg Labs.  Last I checked they cost about $99.00.  I've been running mine for
the last couple of years and really like it alot.  (I would never go back to a
CoCo keyboard!)
Mike

#: 6297 S10/Tandy CoCo
    24-Aug-90  19:31:49
Sb: ZOO for OS9 Level 2?
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: ALL
I found a ZOO.AR in the OSK lib, but not in the Tandy lib. Has anyone ported
zoo to CoCo3 OS9? Is the OSK version worth downloading and attempting to
compile?
Zack
Press <CR> !>

#: 6304 S10/Tandy CoCo
    25-Aug-90  03:47:36
Sb: #6281-#B09 bug?
Fm: Paul Kacprowicz 72057,345
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Yes, you're right.  If it is a bug it would be in RBF. I originally thought it
was related to Basic09 because the version of "login" that I am using updates a
similar file while "proc" shows that the user (of login) is *other* than user
#0.  But after dissasembling login, I see that F$SUser is used to change the ID
to 0 before accessing the file.
I also tried the same test with a program written in C and found the results to
be the same.  So it is not limited to Basic09.
Though I probably should have done this additional testing before leaving that
message, the basic question of the timestamp not being updated is still, I
would think, valid.
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#: 6308 S10/Tandy CoCo
    25-Aug-90  04:46:28
Sb: #6304-B09 bug?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Paul Kacprowicz 72057,345 (X)
Paul - I looked up the code in RBF, and the date is changed when the file is
opened... no actual file data changes needed.
The weird thing: this is done only if A) file opened with write mode on, and B)
if you have permission to access the file.
Now (A) makes sense of course, and you did have UPDATE (read/write). (B) also
makes sense, but then the open should've failed altogether.
So a successful open using your code should always update the time, at least as
far as I can read from RBF internals. Strange!

#: 6305 S10/Tandy CoCo
    25-Aug-90  03:48:21
Sb: #6282-B09 bug?
Fm: Paul Kacprowicz 72057,345
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Yes, the attributes of the file have been set as "---wr-wr" and the changes are
written to the file no matter who the user is.  (See James Jones' message and
my reply to him.)

#: 6306 S10/Tandy CoCo
    25-Aug-90  03:49:09
Sb: #6283-#BIOS
Fm: Paul Kacprowicz 72057,345
To: bob hemedinger 76256,427 (X)
Well Bob, the original guestion on this thread was how to disable the BIOS ROM
on a HD controller for use with a Burke & Burke XT on a Y-cable. I have that
setup on one computer.
Another (dedicated BBS) has an SCII and B&B-XT in an MPI and I haven't had any
problems with it.  But I'm not familiar with the 4in1 board.
I think that the port on the 4in1 is not adressed at $FF68.  So to hazard a
guess as to what your problem is, I'd say to check and see if there is a /t2
descriptor on the CRC disk that came with the 4in1 board and use that one.  Or
check the manual to find the proper address and modify the stock descriptor if
that's what you're using now.
I hope it's a simple as that.  Perhaps someone else with a setup like yours can
jump in here with some help.
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#: 6334 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Aug-90  07:50:54
Sb: #6306-BIOS
Fm: bob hemedinger 76256,427
To: Paul Kacprowicz 72057,345 (X)
Unfortunately, it wasn't that simple. T2 works only when the SCII is plugged
into the coco, in spite of the driver combinations I have used form the Disto
module's disk that came with the 4/1 board. I read somewhere that I may have to
patch a driver to get /t2 to run, but I've experimented with a y cable setup
and may have take that route... at least I know that works.
By the way, has anyone heard of/from Arizona Small Computer since they stopped
advertising in the Rainbow?

#: 6315 S10/Tandy CoCo
    25-Aug-90  21:45:52
Sb: #ar help
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: all
How do you ar a whole disk??
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#: 6324 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Aug-90  11:47:36
Sb: #6315-ar help
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
Everett -
Hmmm... you could potentially:
 chd /d0
 files -e ! ar -uz /d1/d0disk
Pete

#: 6318 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Aug-90  06:45:51
Sb: #Interbank Incident
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: All
Does anyone know how to get The Interbank Incident to work on a Level 2 hard
drive system?
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#: 6377 S10/Tandy CoCo
    29-Aug-90  03:40:53
Sb: #6318-#Interbank Incident
Fm: Shawn Thomas 76226,3237
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Floyd- As I recall there was some call from level 1 that is not supported on
level 2, so the game has a problem.  At least I think that was it. I have never
been able to get my copy to work.
Shawn
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#: 6384 S10/Tandy CoCo
    29-Aug-90  20:57:23
Sb: #6377-Interbank Incident
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Shawn Thomas 76226,3237 (X)
Yeah, when I try to boot the game all I get is a messed up pmode screen.

#: 6321 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Aug-90  10:35:11
Sb: #games and joysticks
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: All
I've grabbed rescue.ar and the Dungeon Depths programs.  Nice graphics, but
when I run them, the object under my control seems to run immediately to the
upper left-hand corner and stay there.  My guess is that they are doing
something that works only for low-res joysticks/mice.  If someone who has these
programs going would describe his or her joystick configuration, I'd sure
appreciate it.
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#: 6326 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Aug-90  12:56:34
Sb: #6321-#games and joysticks
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Both games require a low-res joystick.  However, I designed both games so you
can use either the left or right joystick ports.  Therefore, you could leave
your hi-res adapter plugged into the right port and plug a joystick into the
left one and play the game.
Floyd
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#: 6327 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Aug-90  16:25:58
Sb: #6326-#games and joysticks
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Aha.  Will do--actually, that will turn out rather nicely given my MV env.file;
thanks.
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#: 6338 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Aug-90  12:24:15
Sb: #6327-games and joysticks
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
No problem.  I made it like that because I got tired of switching from my mouse
(which I used to create the icons) to my joystick and having to plug and unplug
them.  Then it dawned on me that all I had to do was use a variable to keep
track of which stick the user wanted.  It is simple.  Sure is a lot better than
hardwiring it.
Floyd

#: 6328 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Aug-90  17:57:20
Sb: #Kill and C
Fm: Dan Charrois 70721,1506
To: all
I have a question regarding the kill command.
  I've noticed that when I kill a process, I get the OS9 prompt back and
everything appears normal until I try some other command.  If the command
exists and can be executed, I get the first little bit of the command output,
followed by -003 (or whatever process number I just killed), a bit more of the
command, then ERROR #228.. Then, the command keeps on over the various lines of
OS9 prompts.  It would appear as though the process is killed alright, then the
confirmation (-003) and error are sent simultaneously when the next command is
being executed, though I can't tell for sure. If more than one process is
killed, things go haywire until that many alternate commands have been
executed.
  Aside from obvious inconvenience, it poses a problem for a C program I'm
writing to kill various processes.  They are all killed fine, but the C program
aborts with the deletion of process messages and then the ERROR 228. I've tried
to trap the error with both interrupt() and signal(), but it seems to get
through somehow at any rate.  Note than in my receiving the ERROR 228, I am not
trying to kill the actual C program itself, but various other routines.
  So, is there some way to get the kill(processnumber,0) routine in C to stop
sending the -003, etc. message and more importantly the ERROR 228? Does anyone
have any idea on what I am doing wrong?  I have always found this bug(?) in the
KILL command particularly confusing.
  Thanks for all your help...Dan Charrois
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#: 6329 S10/Tandy CoCo
    26-Aug-90  18:28:12
Sb: #6328-#Kill and C
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Dan Charrois 70721,1506 (X)
It's not C; it's the shell.  When the shell executes a command, aside from the
ones that have to be done internally (ex, chd, chx), it spawns a process to
actually run it, and unless you tack on an ampersand, it then does a F$Wait to
wait for the child to exit.  Currently, if the child's exit code is non-zero,
it prints out the "ERROR #whatever" message.
Here comes the fun part--unfortunately, the shell as it is currently written
doesn't pay any attention to the process id of the child that exited, so here's
what happens:
User types "cmd &".
Shell spawns process and doesn't wait, but comes back with a prompt after
displaying the process ID (say +003).
User types "cmd2".
Shell spawns another process, and does wait.
Process 3, running "cmd," exits abnormally for some reason, or is killed.
Shell is awakened from its wait, sees the non-zero exit code, displays the
ERROR message, and goes back to a prompt and a I$ReadLn to get the next command
to execute.
Unfortunately, if cmd2 is still going, it and the shell are now competing for
the attention of standard input.  To correct this problem, the shell would have
to keep track of the last process it spawned, and *only* go back to get another
command line when that process exited.  This is a bug of very long standing,
and like the weather, folks talk about it but nothing gets done, alas.
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#: 6332 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Aug-90  00:21:04
Sb: #6329-#Kill and C
Fm: Dan Charrois 70721,1506
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Yuck.. I read your reply, and I think I understand what's going on in the
shell.  That's really not very encouraging at all (though the fact that I
understand what's going on now makes things a bit better...)
  This doesn't make things look good.  My project was to set up a routine to
kill all processes associated with /T2 when a user logs off the port. It gets
all the process ids and everything, and all I had to do is kill them. The
routine is run, and it kills them okay... but when it's done, the shell that
started the routine is filled with all the dying process errors. Is there any
way whatsoever that an automated routine such as this can be initiated without
getting bogged down by the errors afterwards?
  Hmm... perhaps, could one kill the processes to /t2, and then kill the shell
from which they originated... then restart the shell?
  Things don't look too good... but thanks a lot for your reply!
            Dan
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#: 6333 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Aug-90  03:44:18
Sb: #6332-#Kill and C
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Dan Charrois 70721,1506 (X)
Dan - I'm not quite sure what you're doing, but you could start the initial
processes with (program <>>>/t2&) ... the () starts a subshell which then dies
and Program is left as an orphan... nobody to report errors back to.
Also, whenever you kill off some processes, do some "w <ENTER>"  wait commands
from the shell to let the errors get on by.
I'm not sure which shell is getting the errors back, btw... do you mean the one
from which the "kill all t2 programs" is done from?  Or a shell on t2? Or?  
And is this a case where the "kill" bit in the t2 descriptor won't do what you
need?
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#: 6369 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-Aug-90  19:41:59
Sb: #6333-Kill and C
Fm: Dan Charrois 70721,1506
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
  Well, that idea of the parentheses might just do the trick.  I must've
skipped over that section in the manual, but I don't recall seeing the idea of
putting the execution within parentheses.  It would probably do alright for
starting things up..  But do you have any idea how one could fork or chain a
program from within C to accomplish this?  The idea is that I had a routine to
check carrier running in the back, and when carrier is lost, it ran the routine
to kill all processes associated with T2. The only problem with using () is
that if someone is in a shell on t2 and they run a program from that shell
without the parentheses, when the routine to kill everything goes into effect,
the shell on t2 would get the errors.. I suppose if the shell on t2 is killed
in the process anyway, it might not matter...
  The shell getting the errors back is the shell from where I started the
processes on t2.  If I start up a shell on t2, run some processes, then kill
them (from anywhere), t2 gets the errors.  If I redirect input,output, etc. to
t2 and run a program from another shell, that's the one that gets the errors
when the programs directed to t2 die.  It looks as though the parent shells are
the ones dying on me.
  Thanks a lot for your reply.  I'm going to check out and see what I can do
about using the parentheses....Dan

#: 6340 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Aug-90  16:11:34
Sb: #6332-#Kill and C
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Dan Charrois 70721,1506 (X)
Dan, You are re-inventing the wheel. Go to the TSMon lib and check out
logins.ar and login.ar. Both have a bye command which do exactly what you are
working on.
Zack
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#: 6370 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-Aug-90  19:44:11
Sb: #6340-Kill and C
Fm: Dan Charrois 70721,1506
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Hmm... Thanks for your advice as well, Zack.  That might be my easiest
betespecially if someone has done the work for me already!

#: 6367 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-Aug-90  18:36:38
Sb: #6332-#Kill and C
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Dan Charrois 70721,1506 (X)
Dan,
I have a CoCo version of a command Pete Lyall wrote, which does what you want
to do. It will kill processes based on device name of standard in/out/error or
current program name. It peeks at the process descriptor to figure that stuff
out. It will also work with his login system (LOGINS.AR in LIB 7) and can kill
processes by user # or user name.  Its up to Pete as to whether he wants it
released or not. I thought it might be in the data libraries already, but
couldn't find it.
Bill
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#: 6371 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-Aug-90  19:46:22
Sb: #6367-#Kill and C
Fm: Dan Charrois 70721,1506
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
Thanks for your reply Bill.  I'm going to check and see what logins.ar and
login.ar contain, and see if anything in there does what I want to do. If not,
I'll ask you or Pete if the command he wrote could be released.
    Thanks again....Dan
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#: 6416 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-Aug-90  05:48:22
Sb: #6371-#Kill and C
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Dan Charrois 70721,1506 (X)
Dan,
Pete said it was OK for me to upload it, if he hasn't done it already. Look for
it over the next day or so, its called, appropriately enough, "murder". I'll
upload it to LIB 7 along with the other login tools, although I've found other
uses for it as well.
Bill
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#: 6434 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-Aug-90  23:42:44
Sb: #6416-#Kill and C
Fm: Dan Charrois 70721,1506
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
Thanks a lot, Bill.  I'll be checking out LIB 7.  Dan
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#: 6438 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Sep-90  07:00:56
Sb: #6434-Kill and C
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Dan Charrois 70721,1506
Dan,
I goofed, its not LIB 7, but LIB 8. I uploaded it this morning, so whenever the
sysop can do his magic thing, it will become available. Its called MURDER.AR.
Bill

#: 6378 S10/Tandy CoCo
    29-Aug-90  09:38:57
Sb: #6367-Kill and C
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
Bill -
Go ahead and upload it (if I haven't already).
Pete

#: 6335 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Aug-90  10:13:14
Sb: #MULTIVUE-CALENDAR
Fm: Chuck Watters 70115,536
To: ALL
IS THERE ANY WAY TO EDIT OR PRINT CALENDAR  FILES  IN MULTIVUE?
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#: 6351 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Aug-90  23:49:19
Sb: #6335-#MULTIVUE-CALENDAR
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Chuck Watters 70115,536 (X)
Chuck - dunno.  You could use VEFIO to snapshot the calendar screen to a VEF
picture file, and then perhaps use a printer dump for the whole thing.
But as far as editing the files, I'm not sure anyone has looked into this yet. 
Anyone who has, speak up! <grin>
There is at least one commercial product which takes notes and may have a
calendar/reminder util also. From Alphasoft.  Shoot, I forgot the name of the
program set. James Jones loves it. JJ??!!
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#: 6358 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-Aug-90  06:53:00
Sb: #6351-MULTIVUE-CALENDAR
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
That's Presto Partner; it does what it does pretty well, though I wish one
could have it schedule "regular" events of the form "every 2nd Tuesday of the
month" (for example).  I'm glad I bought it.

#: 6383 S10/Tandy CoCo
    29-Aug-90  20:16:33
Sb: #6351-MULTIVUE-CALENDAR
Fm: Chuck Watters 70115,536
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin Thanks for the reply to my question. If you haven't done it it probably
hasn't been done!

#: 6337 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Aug-90  11:59:42
Sb: #Help
Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
To: all
Can anyone tell me where the utility 'verify' is? I need it patch my OS9
Profile disk to run under lvl 2.
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#: 6339 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Aug-90  16:09:33
Sb: #6337-#Help
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
I know of no 'verify' utility. If you use dEd to patch the modules (profile and
mgt), then after writing out the modified sector, you then re-verify the module
with the builtin dEd verify function. If you patch with modpatch (which
requires the save utility to save the module after being patched in memory) you
just include a modpatch verify command (v) as the last command in the modpatch
script.
Zack
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#: 6341 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Aug-90  18:30:29
Sb: #6339-#Help
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Hmm - don't remember if LII provided it.. It may have been cut like some of the
other 'developer' utilities [BINEX, EXBIN, etc.), but there used to be a VERIFY
utility that would read a module, and emit a copy of it with a proper CRC in
place. LI had it.
Pete
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#: 6344 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Aug-90  22:17:11
Sb: #6341-#Help
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Ahh, yes, it IS part of the dev pack! Thanks for reminding me. I just may use
now!
Zack
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#: 6359 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-Aug-90  09:00:00
Sb: #6344-Help
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
ZAck -
Nah... it's one of the more useless commands if you have another tool that will
update CRC's. Ident will check them, and [dEd, Patch, Mverify, and others] will
correct them.
Pete

#: 6349 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Aug-90  23:30:37
Sb: #6261-#os-9 emulation
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
I think that one of the MM/1 developers is working on such support for a new
bbs. I'll see if he cares to comment.
Mike Guzzi, you out there?
Paul
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#: 6354 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-Aug-90  06:15:59
Sb: #6349-os-9 emulation
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
That would be great!  I hope its true.

#: 6350 S10/Tandy CoCo
    27-Aug-90  23:30:44
Sb: #Hardware Prob. A/D port
Fm: Dale Robertson 76475,356
To: All
Help !! My Josticks have quit. The D/A port of my coco III seems to have a
problem. The Hi-res adapter does not seem to give proper readings and if i
unplug it and connect direct the port does not seem to give the full scale of
values. There is also some distortion on the Audio. The left port runs the
mouse in a diagonal across the screen top left to midscreen right. the right
port runs in the top 2/3 of the screen and is quite jerky. I have tried other
joysticks and it made no difference. Does anyone have any info on the A/D port
on the coco 3 as it would help in my tracing down the problem. Thank
You!!!!!!!!
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#: 6425 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-Aug-90  19:36:38
Sb: #6350-#Hardware Prob. A/D port
Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
To: Dale Robertson 76475,356 (X)
Since you say that both your sound and joysticks are not working, I suggest
that you check IC7 (SC77526).  If the serial and cassette port also don't work
then IC4 (68B21) is probably bad.
William
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#: 6433 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-Aug-90  23:23:26
Sb: #6425-#Hardware Prob. A/D port
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: William Phelps 75100,265 (X)
Speaking of IC7, I have had some probs with my CoCo (namely Hires mouse doesn't
work and cassette port doesn't work) and it was suggested I get a new IC7. What
did you say about the IC4, and where can I get these chips?  Thanks.
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#: 6473 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Sep-90  05:15:33
Sb: #6433-#Hardware Prob. A/D port
Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Try the serial port also; if it doesn't work the problem is IC4.  If the serial
port is OK, then what part of the cassette port doesn't work(in, out, or motor
control).  If only the out function is not working then the problem is IC7.
   Chip   type      RS-part#(these have to be ordered)
  --------------------------
   IC4    68B21     MX-7260
   IC7    8050526   MX-6202
William
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#: 6519 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Sep-90  23:02:21
Sb: #6473-#Hardware Prob. A/D port
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: William Phelps 75100,265 (X)
The serial port is fine (aack!  How else would I be typing to you? 8-)  I
believe only the out on the cassette is malfunctioning.  IC7, eh?  ok.
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#: 6524 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Sep-90  07:14:40
Sb: #6519-#Hardware Prob. A/D port
Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
I mean the serial port built into the CoCo(the Bitbanger). If you are using an
OS-9 terminal program, I would think you are using the RS232 Pak.
William
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#: 6541 S10/Tandy CoCo
    05-Sep-90  23:06:04
Sb: #6524-#Hardware Prob. A/D port
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: William Phelps 75100,265 (X)
I'm using the bitbanger now (with Ultimaterm).  Thanks for all the info,
William, you'vebeen more than helpful.
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#: 6564 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-Sep-90  02:30:22
Sb: #6541-Hardware Prob. A/D port
Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
You are very welcome.

#: 6639 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-Sep-90  20:14:34
Sb: #6425-Hardware Prob. A/D port
Fm: Dale Robertson 76475,356
To: William Phelps 75100,265 (X)
I will check that thanks!

#: 6355 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-Aug-90  06:19:54
Sb: #Questions
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: All
I have two questions:
 1.  What format does the paint program in DeskMate3 use and is there a viewer
that can show those pictures?
 2.  Is there any way at all to alter the hardware font set?
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#: 6360 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-Aug-90  10:57:01
Sb: #6355-#Questions
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
I know that the (coco 1/2) vdg had a way to alter the hardware font set, and I
had thought that the gime does too, tho I don't know.  I have often thought
about doing that, but never had the skill (or enough desire to compensate for
the lacking skill).
I would imagine that you could easily figure out Deskmate's paint program
format, unless some compression is done.  Take the size of a deskmate file,
subtract 16/17 bytes or so for palette, screen type, etc., and from there you
should have raw data.  count the size of the data to determine the number of
scan lines it uses, etc.  shouldn't be hard from a basic program.
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#: 6361 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-Aug-90  12:43:52
Sb: #6360-#Questions
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Joseph -
Hmmm - I spent a lot of time with the Motorola data sheets in the early days,
and don't recall a way to use alternative fonts in conjunction with the
6883/6847/13??... You could make them orange, or invert them though...
Pete
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#: 6374 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-Aug-90  23:07:38
Sb: #6361-Questions
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Pete - there was at least one company in the old coco days, which sold an addon
board to allow changing fonts on the 6847.  Check the docs again, they mention
adding external EPROM for this purpose, I'm almost positive.
However, the GIME has no provision for external hardware text fonts.
From the back of my head, I think the 6847 pin was called I/E, btw... for
internal/external fonts.  But I could be waaay off on that name.

#: 6389 S10/Tandy CoCo
    30-Aug-90  00:04:12
Sb: #6361-#Questions
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
I am almost POSITIVE I read that the VDG chip had provisions for external
character sets.  I know that (Green Mountain Micro?) made lowerkits, and I
believe others did also.  I always figured that these used that VDG mode and
never thought that it might be, anyway.  But, I guess since the GIME won't do
it, it really doesn't matter 8-(.  <Sigh>, makes me want my MM/1 even more
<double sigh>.  Which, btw, I am hoping that it will support (a full)
256character character set?  I. E., provisions for emulating the IBM enhanced
character set.  prob'ly shoulda asked this several months ago <;-)>.
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#: 6392 S10/Tandy CoCo
    30-Aug-90  01:54:00
Sb: #6389-Questions
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Joseph -
I stand corrected... Kevin squared me away earlier today. Sorry I was unable to
help, and in this case, provide accurate information...
Pete

#: 6362 S10/Tandy CoCo
    28-Aug-90  13:09:55
Sb: #6360-#Questions
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Some compression is done on the picture files because they are only about 14k
long.  As far as the fonts, I just wish they would have built into the CoCo the
IBM primitive graphic characters.  At least I could see what I'm suppose to
when I call and IBM board.
Floyd
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#: 6390 S10/Tandy CoCo
    30-Aug-90  00:06:26
Sb: #6362-#Questions
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
What mode is used?  If it's 320x192x4 or 640x200x2 then mebbe just some scan
lines were lost.  A good way to check is make two pictures and save them.  make
them (radically) different, and then check the file size.
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#: 6405 S10/Tandy CoCo
    30-Aug-90  19:53:38
Sb: #6390-#Questions
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
The pictures are 320x192x16.  I guess I could simply examine the files byte for
byte and try a few things.
Floyd
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#: 6408 S10/Tandy CoCo
    30-Aug-90  22:57:58
Sb: #6405-#Questions
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Hmm, well, if the pictures are compressed, it's going to be practically
impossible to figure out the decompression scheme, since there are SOOO many. I
suppose you could hope that it's a simple RLE method, but still--many many many
of those.  It probably is something simple, though.
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#: 6422 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-Aug-90  14:38:11
Sb: #6408-Questions
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
I hope it's simple.  I'm going to give it a shot!

#: 6387 S10/Tandy CoCo
    29-Aug-90  23:00:16
Sb: #5930-Transferring Apple FIles
Fm: Ladd Temple 73647,2154
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Thanx for your time Pete, That is exactly what I had to do - use a null modem. 
It took for ever!! (I had almost 2 megs of data) but it worked.  I can die
happy if I never have to see another Apple II again.
<<<Ladd>>>

#: 6388 S10/Tandy CoCo
    29-Aug-90  23:02:25
Sb: #6173-Transferring Apple FIles
Fm: Ladd Temple 73647,2154
To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)
Thanx for the suggestion Lee. (Same as Pete's) That is exactly what I had to do
- null modem. Even at 9600 it took forever to move almost 2 megs of data.  A
project I will hopefully need never repeat. Thanx again
<<<Ladd>>>

#: 6404 S10/Tandy CoCo
    30-Aug-90  19:42:45
Sb: #GFX2
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Sysop Kevin Darling (X)
Hi Kev--Didja ever get a chance to look into that select quirk with GFX2
--CC3IO ?? I'm really impressed with GFX2 and its possibilities.
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#: 6418 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-Aug-90  06:53:34
Sb: #6404-#GFX2
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
Phil - sorry, not yet. Mentioned it to Dale tho.
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#: 6440 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Sep-90  08:42:41
Sb: #6418-#GFX2
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Thanks Kev--By the way I dont seem to be able to get the wildcards to work in
shellplus. What am I missing?
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#: 6457 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Sep-90  13:49:00
Sb: #6440-#GFX2
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
Phil,
First of all, what exactly are you trying to do with wildcards? Shell+ expands
wildcards within a command line, so if I type a command like "list *.c" and
there are three files, prog1.c, prog2.c and prog3.c, in the current data
directory, the actual command line generated is "list prog1.c prog2.c prog3.c".
This works great as long as the command issued can handle multiple file names.
A good example of one that does not work is the dir command, which assumes any
pathnames specified are directories. If I issue a "dir *.c", dir returns ERROR
#214.
I use the echo command to double check what really gets expanded using
wildcards, "echo *.c", for example. Another problem arises when the file list
generated by expanded wildcards is too long for the command being used. Many
commands assume that the input parameters won't be more than 255 bytes long.
Bill
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#: 6458 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Sep-90  17:56:33
Sb: #6457-#GFX2
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
Hi Bill--if I type list *.s--I get a 215. There is a file aif.she in the pwd. I
tried the line in the docs that uses fstat and I used it verbatim with the same
result.
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#: 6489 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Sep-90  15:31:10
Sb: #6458-#GFX2
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
Phil, the error 215 is symptomatic of wildcards being disabled (as you
suspected). Which version of Shell+ are you using? Versions prior to 2.0 did
not support wildcards. Versions 2.0 and 2.1 require that you place a colon
(":") at the beginning of each line to enable wildcard expansion. To turn
wildcards on permanently, there is a patch file included. Bill
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#: 6491 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Sep-90  16:42:37
Sb: #6489-GFX2
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
Hi Bill I'm using 2.1. I just tried the colon as you said and it works.
Thanks!!

#: 6427 S10/Tandy CoCo
    31-Aug-90  21:36:09
Sb: #6041-New gfx2
Fm: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
hi kev, thought I read where the gfx2 did the speed up of the drawing, but
could be I had them mixed up, in any case I put both of the grfdrv & the gfx2
in
Tazman and still came out ahead in speed. Seemed that the color came out a
little better when I put the new gfx2 in as well. B CEING U -w.

#: 6460 S10/Tandy CoCo
    01-Sep-90  20:46:29
Sb: RSDOSplus
Fm: ROGER SMITH 72057,2364
To:  72007,1737 (X)
Craig.. Can you tell me where to find the driver SDisk which is required with
RSDOSplus? How does it interact with the usual drivers d0.dd, d1.dd etc?
Thanks...I hope RSDOSplus is going to solve a problem for me. Rog.

#: 6463 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Sep-90  05:17:18
Sb: #6194-#SPoker
Fm: Richard Taylor 73137,3324
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Yes, I did see Zack's message about him uploading View 4.0, I already have
downloaded it, thanks.
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#: 6518 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Sep-90  22:59:24
Sb: #6463-SPoker
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Richard Taylor 73137,3324
Glad you found it.  And thanks to Zack for uploading it.

#: 6469 S10/Tandy CoCo
    02-Sep-90  16:08:28
Sb: #DIGITIZED SOUND
Fm: GENE TURNBOW 72457,220
To: all
Has anybody had a chance to play with the DIGITIZE program recently uploaded?
It looks like it should produce some very high quality sound, if I see this
right.
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#: 6481 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Sep-90  13:12:01
Sb: #6469-DIGITIZED SOUND
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: GENE TURNBOW 72457,220
Yeah, I've played around with it.  The sound quality is very good.  Now if
someone would just write an sound editor, then we'd really be cooking!

#: 6482 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Sep-90  13:22:36
Sb: #X10 on CoCo3?
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: ALL
Has anyone gotten Pete Lyall's X10 controller program to work with
OS9 Level 2 on a CoCo3?
What I'm wondering about is the device. Pete mentions that you should
use device /t1. Now, /t1 on a CoCo3 is the bitbanger port, which
has problems with accurate two way communications. It would be fine
with me to use /t1, since I wouldn't have to rig up an A/B switch
to switch between the X10 and my modem.
Any ideas?
Zack
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#: 6486 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Sep-90  13:50:54
Sb: #6482-#X10 on CoCo3?
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Zack,
I've used Pete's X10 stuff for a while ... no major changes were needed. I just
used dEd to diddle the reference of /t1 to one of my other serial ports. Baud
rate is 600 (as I recall) and I believe I zapped the descriptor to all ohs.
Steve
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#: 6492 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Sep-90  16:46:39
Sb: #6486-#X10 on CoCo3?
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
So, you're going out a regular RS232 and not the bitbanger, I take it?
Zack
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#: 6504 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Sep-90  07:14:10
Sb: #6492-X10 on CoCo3?
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Yup ... the bit banger is used for the printer here ... and that's not even
working very well.
Steve

#: 6490 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Sep-90  15:31:16
Sb: #6482-X10 on CoCo3?
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Zack,
You'll have to use your modem port (unless you want to try to use the BITBANG
driver). I've use X10 for years, right now its plugged into one of my COMM-4
ports. At one point in the past I rigged a relay off of the cassette motor
on/of switch to switch between my modem and the X10 controller.
Most of the values in the descriptor are 00, except for eor, which is set to
$0D and baud, which is set to $02 (600 baud).
Bill

#: 6618 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-Sep-90  08:44:17
Sb: #6482-X10 on CoCo3?
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Zack,
A thought occured to me last night on your continued problems in getting x10 to
work.
Do you have tsmon still running at the time you're trying to diddle with the
serial port?  If so, try killing that off, then zapping the descriptor, and go.
Steve

#: 6497 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Sep-90  20:28:53
Sb: #Strip Poker
Fm: judd terrell 72217,714
To:  76264,142 (X)
I have tried to use your Strip Poker game... The Picture files of the girls do
fine... The game will start and ask for opponent and directory location... Then
the first picture comes up, the program tries to access another "file" and
crashes as though "File Not Found"... Any suggestions?   KD's GFX2 and FIX,
SYSCALL, INKEY, RUNB are all there, but still crashes...
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#: 6520 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Sep-90  23:06:49
Sb: #6497-#Strip Poker
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: judd terrell 72217,714 (X)
What do you type when asked for the directory?  If it is the current data dir
already, you can just hit [ENTER].  Try that and see what happens, because it
sound like it either can't find View or the pics. . .
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#: 6629 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-Sep-90  15:32:34
Sb: #6520-Strip Poker
Fm: judd terrell 72217,714
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Will try [ENTER] and see, but the first pic of girl loads OK, it seems like it
can't find "cards"... Are they also VEF pics, or is it another file name... I
can check with ident and be sure all are packed in file... Thanx... Judd...

#: 6500 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Sep-90  20:58:42
Sb: #6147-#TAR
Fm: BRETT 72057,3720
To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 (X)
Greeting-
     No hardware requirements.  tar will work on any drive you have (tape or
disk).
-Brett
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#: 6501 S10/Tandy CoCo
    03-Sep-90  21:35:00
Sb: #6500-#TAR
Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631
To: BRETT 72057,3720 (X)
I was unaware that there was a tape drive for the COCO 3, is there a tape drive
and driver and descriptor ??? that will work ?
                                       Joerg
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#: 6515 S10/Tandy CoCo
    04-Sep-90  22:38:48
Sb: #6501-TAR
Fm: BRETT 72057,3720
To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631
Greeting-
     Some say that a fellow in australia has come up with a tape driver and
descriptor for the cassette port.  Any scsi unit will work you just have to
write the driver/descriptor and hook it to your disto 4in1.  I have no tape and
tar requires no tape.  Download and read the docs for all the details.
-Brett

#: 6544 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Sep-90  00:02:29
Sb: #Level I Drivers
Fm: Don Kircher 76346,3475
To: All
 Ok I've finally relented and sprung for a Coco3 I was very content with level
one but the disturbing lack of support for Coco I & II did it. The lack of
available Wordpaks to be exact.
  So, now Im faced with a whole new system and a forest of new
incompatabilities. The most distressing so far is the inability of OS9 Level II
to "see" the driver for my five meg hard drive.
 Its an old J&M arrangement with the neat side port that comes off the
controller allowing one to boot os9 level one off the hard drive. I'm safely
booted into OS9 Level II but the boot I configured with J&M's /h0 will not iniz
and returns an error 246.
 This really is a disaster I was counting on this working. It leaves me with
these two old grey upright disk drives to run Level two. Such a distasteful
thought that Coco3 is banished to a heap in the corner until some other
arrangement can be made.
 Oh yeah, the system works fine under level I on my Coco I and on Coco II (I've
managed to collect six cocos so far) The controller works fine in Coco3.
 Thanks
 Don K.
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#: 6547 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Sep-90  07:22:27
Sb: #6544-Level I Drivers
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475 (X)
Don,
Knowing absolutely nothing about what I'm about to say ... and even less about
a J&M compatability issue  ... let me mention that many level one descriptors
needed a byte in thier header to be changed from $00 to $FF.
I believe Pete mentioned this 'mode byte' in a message a while back about
someone having difficulties getting a midi descriptor to work.
In any event, perhpas this note will spark some discussion that can be helpful.
Steve

#: 6549 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Sep-90  14:27:54
Sb: #6544-Level I Drivers
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475 (X)
Don -
Besides having to change the /h0 address for L-II (change the byte at offset
$0E in the descriptor from $FF to $07), the error 246 you get is "drive not
ready".
CC3Go (like Sysgo) tries to chd/chx to /h0.  Is the drive already running and
up to speed when you boot?
Also, the CC3 runs at double speed. I think the J&M HD interface can handle
that, tho.
Seems like there was something else, also. Let me dig around.
Kev

#: 6550 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Sep-90  15:00:09
Sb: #GIME
Fm: Bobby Dotson 70054,2324
To: [F] All
 Question?  What is the difference between the older GIME and the newer one?
Are graphics better?  Faster I/O?  What?
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#: 6551 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Sep-90  16:13:07
Sb: #6550-GIME
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Bobby Dotson 70054,2324 (X)
Bobby,
   If we're talking the GIME on the CoCo3 in both cases, the chip with the "A"
attatched to it, the newer one, fixed some bugs that were in it.
   Dan

#: 6555 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Sep-90  19:00:03
Sb: #6550-GIME
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bobby Dotson 70054,2324 (X)
Bobby  - I think the newer GIME fixed a sideways scrolling bug (never used
under OS9 anyway), and perhaps changed the timing a little to be more solid. If
your old one works fine, then there's no need to change. best - kev

#: 6554 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Sep-90  18:17:29
Sb: #Looking for GFX3 ?
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: sysop (X)
I am looking for the files alib.l and gfx3.ar, both were in lib 10 some while
ago.  Have you seen them?  Thanks . . .
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#: 6556 S10/Tandy CoCo
    06-Sep-90  19:03:19
Sb: #6554-#Looking for GFX3 ?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Joe - I don't recall a file called gfx3.ar, you might mean gfx2.ar?
ALIB.AR is in Library 3... if that's the one you want. Two versions, one is
later.
kev
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#: 6577 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-Sep-90  21:07:37
Sb: #6556-#Looking for GFX3 ?
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
I know I meant GFX*3* . . . but as to the filename, it's anyone's guess.  If
the gfx3 and docs were inside some other package, I'm in real trouble . . .
hehe.  I downloaded the gfx3 package a while back from here, but I can't
remember the filename.  hmm .. .
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#: 6588 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-Sep-90  07:40:45
Sb: #6577-#Looking for GFX3 ?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Hmm. Now that you insist, I think I've seen a file called GFX3?? somewhere
before.  Not positive it was here tho.  I'll change the title of these msgs and
maybe that will catch someone's attention who knows.
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#: 6603 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-Sep-90  15:57:45
Sb: #6588-Looking for GFX3 ?
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Thanks, Kevin.  I used GFX3 in one of my programs here (edptrs) and told anyone
who wanted the gfx3 to get it here (but it's gone!).  Thanks again.

#: 6604 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-Sep-90  16:10:55
Sb: #6588-#Looking for GFX3 ?
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
I have the gfx3 archive.  I think I downloaded it from GENie, however.  If it
can't be found, I'll upload it.
Floyd
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#: 6609 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-Sep-90  19:21:03
Sb: #6604-Looking for GFX3 ?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Thx Floyd!

#: 6572 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-Sep-90  17:01:53
Sb: #SPOKER Query
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Joe, what is Koonce's View (4.0) utility (necessary for SPOKER)?  Ches.
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#: 6578 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-Sep-90  21:14:11
Sb: #6572-#SPOKER Query
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X)
Tim Koonce's View 4.0 is a VERY versatile utility that will allow you to view
many of the common CoCo picture formats, and also convert them to VEF and MGE.
I highly recommend it to anyone that does picture collecting.  It is availalbe
(ack!) as view40.ar in lib 10 here.
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#: 6589 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-Sep-90  07:55:56
Sb: #6578-SPOKER Query
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
Thanks for info, when I BROwsed for view, I neglected to put the * after VIEW.
Ches.

#: 6581 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-Sep-90  22:19:16
Sb: #6572-#SPOKER Query
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X)
Because the author of SPOKER was too lazy to write his own VEF picture load
subroutine! <big grin>
Zack
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#: 6582 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-Sep-90  22:43:54
Sb: #6581-SPOKER Query
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Yew got it!  I was getting tired of working on the thing and decided 'why
recode anything'?  Plus using View allowed the program to be released faster,
and probably shortened the file sizes greatly as I doubt I would have gone to
the trouble of supporting VEF squashed format.  And also allowed picture
loading time to be faster.

#: 6590 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-Sep-90  07:56:46
Sb: #6581-SPOKER Query
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Now, now, Zack, be nice!! (bigger grin)!   Ches.

#: 6584 S10/Tandy CoCo
    07-Sep-90  23:23:00
Sb: GIME
Fm: Bobby Dotson 70054,2324
To: Kevin Darling
  Well, I've talked to a few people about graphics and what my machine is
doing. Aparrently my colors do not correspond quite to standards . . . nor does
the timimg.  I have one of the first machines to be released . . .  The first
problem it had was working with a J&M Controller . . .  It had problems working
with the Tandy controller(minor), until the clock was adjusted, but faild to
operate correctly with the J&M.
   Also, do you know anyone who has had any ideas on making a processor
accellerator for the CC3?  Say an 8 to 10 mHz 6809(Yes they are avialable)
(where? forgot) . . . or a seperate hi-speed 6809 processor board with it's own
memory.... using the coco as a slave???

#: 6591 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-Sep-90  09:20:57
Sb: #Disto HardDisk
Fm: james pottage 71750,2012
To: James Pottage
I would like some help with a problem I have encountered with my new hard
drivew. I just purchased a segate 125N hard drive and I am attempting to run it
with a disto super controller II and hard disk interface (under the SCSI mode).
I am using the drivers supplied by CRC-Disto. The problem is that when I boot
up the boot process does not acknowlege the Startup file on my hard drive. If I
reboot using the reset command then the startup file is used. Iwould like to
know if there are any fixes for this problem or any suggestions on how to solve
it. As well I have already tried changing the boot order around and this makes
no difference. Further, the RBF and disk drivers are all in the same block. I
would appreciate any help anyone can give me. Jim Pottage
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#: 6597 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-Sep-90  12:55:30
Sb: #6591-Disto HardDisk
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: james pottage 71750,2012 (X)
Hi Jim.  When you first boot, is the hard drive already up to speed? It could
be that it's simply not ready to accept commands right away.
Hmm. But does it switch over to using the hard disk command directory right
away?  If so, then my explanation doesn't wash.
How about posting your startup file... maybe there's a clue there.
best - kev

#: 6606 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-Sep-90  18:31:57
Sb: #Disto Hard disk Part II
Fm: james pottage 71750,2012
To: Kevin Darling
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II
I have also looked at the startup file. However, the startup file worked fine
with a WD1002-shd controller and 10meg hard drive. However, below is a copy of
the file in case you have any suggestions. Note that Rutils is a file that
contains extra commands that I have not included in the Shell file like copy,
date etc. Further, while booting the harddrive is accessed (ie the light turns
on for a breif moment) but the startup file is not used. It seems like the
drive has not  been initialized and the boot procedure cannot find the startup
file. As well, occasionally the hard drive will be accessed for no apparent
reason while the system is running. Here is the startup file.
load rutils display 1b 34 04 * Echo welcome message echo * Welcome to OS-9
LEVEL 2 * echo * on the Color Computer 3 * * Lock shell and std utils into
memory link shell montype r * Start system time from keyboard setime </1 date t
iniz w1 iniz w2 display 1b 20 2 0 0 50 18 2 7 1 >/w1 display 1b 20 2 0 0 50 18
0 2 2 >/w2 shell p=[@])[$]: i=/w1& shell p=[@])[$]: i=/w2& merge sys/stdfonts
merge sys/stdptrs merge sys/stdpats_2 merge sys/stdpats_4 merge sys/stdpats_16
xmode /p baud=06
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
                               Jim Pottage
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#: 6608 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-Sep-90  19:20:25
Sb: #6606-Disto Hard disk Part II
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: james pottage 71750,2012 (X)
Oops. Never mind. I'll look at your startup file now. thx! - kev
PS: seem to be getting some garbage in your messages. Do a read previous after
reading this one, and see what I mean.

#: 6607 S10/Tandy CoCo
    08-Sep-90  19:19:20
Sb: Disto Hard disk
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: james pottage 71750,2012 (X)
Thx - no, I'm not worried too much about the boot order.  You said that things
switch over to the hard disk okay, but the problem seems to be only that the
Startup file isn't executed the first time on boot?  But only on reboot?
That's awfully strange.  Let me see your startup file.  I have some ideas on
things which might cause this.
Oh. And when you boot first time, does it just ignore startup and still come
out at the shell prompt?

#: 6633 S10/Tandy CoCo
    09-Sep-90  18:16:51
Sb: Termcap
Fm: Bobby Dotson 70054,2324
To: Ed Gresick
TERMCAP Book . . .
A Nutshell Handbook by John Strang
O'Reilly & Associates, Inc. 981 Chesnut Street Newton, Mass. 02164
1800-338-NUTS

#: 6654 S10/Tandy CoCo
    10-Sep-90  19:09:07
Sb: RSDOSplus
Fm: Craig Aarseth 72007,1737
To: Roger Smith 72057,2364
Roger: SDisk is a commercial product of D. P. Johnson.  SDisk replaces CC3Disk
as the floppy device driver.  Ads for SDisk can be found in RainBow Magazine. 
I use my own device driver which is funtionly identical to SDisk but much more
compact.  I hope this was helpful.
         --Craig Aarseth 72007,1737

#: 6659 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Sep-90  01:05:26
Sb: #Great games
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Floyd;
  Just snarfed 2 of your games -- GemQuest and Rescue (aka Tank).
                    _GOOD_ jobb
  Check is "in the mail", as they say.
  If I send you a diskette & mailer with the check, could I get a copy of the
source please?  The way I play games, I don't remember from time to time what
to do, so I was planning to have your opening paragraphs of the docs scroll
slowly down the screen using the supplied fonts prior to presenting the initial
game screen.  Also, I'd like to add water-wings to the tanks! ;-) Sound like
it's do-able?
 ...Jim
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#: 6664 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Sep-90  16:58:10
Sb: #6659-#Great games
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
Thanks for the kudos and the soon-arriving check!  Yeah, I'll be more than
happy to send you the source.  I like the idea of being able to scroll through
the docs before playing.  Could even add a help key that would call up the doc
file.  Adding water-wings would be a piece of cake.  All it would take would be
to remove one check in the source.
Floyd
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#: 6670 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Sep-90  01:46:45
Sb: #6664-#Great games
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Floyd;
  O.K., mailer is on it's way.
  I'm beginning to wonder if I should have showed my wife and daughter those 2
games -- I haven't been able to get on the CoCo for the past 2 days until they
went to bed!  And the sickening part of it all is that they beat my best
score(s) within 15 minutes of starting to play!!! :-(
  Just wait'll I get water-wings for _MY_ tanks tho;  I'll show them a thing or
two!!
Can you do 360K 5 1/4" disks O.K.?
..Jim
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#: 6673 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Sep-90  06:06:48
Sb: #6670-Great games
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
Ah, I love it when I create addictive games!  I still have the single-sided 40
track drives, so I won't be able to use a 360k disk.
Floyd

#: 6661 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Sep-90  08:58:57
Sb: #disk drive additions
Fm: STEPHEN WALLACE 73720,2420
To: sysop (X)
Can four double sided flopies be used with a multipak under OS9 and how should
they be connected. /exit
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#: 6665 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Sep-90  17:43:03
Sb: #6661-disk drive additions
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: STEPHEN WALLACE 73720,2420
An unmodified CoCo can only have three double-sided floppy drives connected to
it.  I think that someone has figured out what to modify to connect more; a
"browse/key=floppy" in DL10 might turn up something.
The other question that perhaps deserves asking is "What do you need to do that
for?"  I don't recall how much needs to be done in the way of modification, but
if you need disk space, I think you should give serious thought to a hard
disk--they're getting fairly inexpensive these days.

#: 6667 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Sep-90  20:07:06
Sb: #TANK
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: floyd resler
Floyd
Two questions regarding the TANK game.
1. The game crashes with an out of bounds subscript when I get to
   level 15.
2. In the program, do you deallocate the graphics buffers before
   exiting the program? If yes, all is fine, but if not, it would
   be better if you did.
Other than that, a fine program!
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#: 6674 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Sep-90  06:10:22
Sb: #6667-TANK
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
Mmm.  I'll have to check out level 15.  As far as deallocating graphic buffers,
no I don't.  It's a very good idea, of course.  I just didn't think about it.
I'll have to include that in my future games.
Floyd

#: 6668 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Sep-90  01:28:34
Sb: Fallout?
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
  Glad to hear that you're feeling better!
  I finally got on the CoCo list via the Internet shadow at work -it seems
strange to see so many familiar namEs from here coming thru my terminal at
work!
  Would have replied to your message of this morning, but I've only got read
access (until I poke around some more).
 ...Jim

#: 6669 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Sep-90  01:30:15
Sb: Fallout?
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
  Glad to hear that you're feeling better!
  I finally got on the CoCo list via the Internet shadow at work -it seems
strange to see so many familiar names from here coming thru my terminal at
work!
  Would have replied to your message of this morning, but I've only got read
access (until I poke around some more).
 ...Jim

#: 6671 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Sep-90  01:46:50
Sb: Fallout?
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
  /\/~\ark;
  Glad to hear that you're feeling better!
  I finally got on the CoCo list via the Internet shadow at work -it seems
strange to see so many familiar names from here coming thru my terminal at
work!
  Would have replied to your message of this morning, but I've only got read
access (until I poke arousd some more).
 ...Jim

#: 6675 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Sep-90  19:55:38
Sb: #6674-#TANK
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
I suspected the buffers weren't saved as I had about 16K less available memory
after quitting the game. Is there a chance you could do an ipatch file to fix
it?
Hugo
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#: 6676 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Sep-90  20:52:34
Sb: #6675-#TANK
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
I could try an ipatch.  However, it would take adding some code so I don't know
if an ipatch would work.  I'll have to get out the ipatch docs.
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#: 6678 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Sep-90  22:11:30
Sb: #6676-#TANK
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
All you need is the "sister" program to IPatch, MakPatch, to make the IPatch
file from a "before" image and an "after" image.
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#: 6680 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-Sep-90  13:43:19
Sb: #6678-TANK
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Yeah, I read the docs and thought "Sheesh, this is what I needed all along!"

#: 6677 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Sep-90  21:51:36
Sb: #6664-#Great games
Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Hi Floyd... Love Tank and Gem, but there is a serious bug in Level 15 of Tank.
When I extend the bridge, the game dies with (I think) an error 55. How come?
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#: 6679 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-Sep-90  13:42:24
Sb: #6677-Great games
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
Well, there was a problem with the level when I first created it, but I fixed
it.  However, I must have fixed it after I archived it together.  I'll upload
the corrected level.
Floyd

#: 6687 S10/Tandy CoCo
    14-Sep-90  17:54:34
Sb: #6668-Fallout?
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
Jim,
I think you'll be seeing a lot more internet activity from MM/1 users in the
future! Mark had uucp up and running a couple of days after receiving his
developers machine -- I hear it is quite smooth, although >I< don't have an
MM/1 on my desk to check! @#&^%%$!! Those demanding developers.
aul Paul, that is.

#: 6694 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Sep-90  01:05:51
Sb: #termcap
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: all
Are the termcap library functions avail here for the MW-6809 complier?
I know that there are some termcap entries for the CoCo, etc. But I can't seem
to locate the actual functions. Hmmm, are they part of the Krieder library?
Thanks,
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#: 6698 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Sep-90  05:16:13
Sb: #6694-termcap
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
Bob,
I believe if you look in LIB 7 you'll find some termcap files, probably only
the library and some docs.  If you don't, let me know and I'll upload them
again.
A word of caution -- the CoCo termcap libraries are flaky from my experience
with it.  OSK version is much more solid.
Mark

#: 6702 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Sep-90  09:18:30
Sb: #6515-TAR
Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631
To: BRETT 72057,3720 (X)
Will do .      Thanks a lot for the repl.     Joerg

#: 6703 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Sep-90  10:09:38
Sb: #Hard Drive
Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
To:  76703,4227 (X)
Hi Kevin:
It's been awhile since Iv'e been able to sit down with my CoCo and play. Been a
busy summer! But any way, now it's time to start to think about my hobby (?)
again.
Through out the summer Iv'e been trying to decide on eather a hard drive or a
1Meg upgrade. Well I just couldn't decide, so a compromise. Just have to get
both.
Now this is where you come in. I'm going for the hard drive first, it will get
me more of what I'm after right now. So this is where I stand now, I have a
CoCo 3, Disto 512K upgrade, Disto Super Controller I (the II hadn't come out
yet)w/ 3in1 board, Bob Puppo's keyboard interface. I have an MPI, but don't use
it at this time. What do you think would be the way to go? Get a 4in1 board,and
piece togeather a SCSI system, or maybe pick up a MEB and SCSI board from Disto
and go to the MPI, and put togeather a SCSI system, or go to the MPI and get a
Burke & Burke system.
I Don't want to lose the use of the RTC, parallel port, or RS232 port. Also
with the Disto SCSI system will I get no halt access? In the checking Iv'e done
so far, the MEB/MPI setup would be the least expensive, the 4in1 the neatest,
and the Burke & Burke the simplest. What do you think?
Don't you just love this stuff.
     >Lute<
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#: 6711 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Sep-90  14:48:34
Sb: #6703-#Hard Drive
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)
Well...I've managed to put off buying the 1 Mbyte upgrade for some time now,
and it's not impeded my use of my CoCo in one sense, though on the other hand,
it *has* held me back in some ways, because there are things I'd leave going in
the background all the time (MultiVue, cron or something like it, and so forth)
if I had the memory.  I've put it off sufficiently that I may not ever do it,
since I now think an MM/1 is a better place to put my $$$.  Were I you, I'd
give serious thought to an MM/1, but putting that aside, I'd say that I don't
think I'd trade my hard disk for the extra 512Kbytes.
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#: 6716 S10/Tandy CoCo
    15-Sep-90  21:40:25
Sb: #6711-#Hard Drive
Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
James:
That's why I kind of went with the idea of going with the hard drive first.
I've been useing a RAMdisk alot for speed, and maybe with a hard drive I'll be
able to use that memory.
Even though I've had Multi-vue since before I got my 3, I've just now started
to use it. I like it pretty well, and maybe now my wife will start to use this
thing. Before she said it was just too hard to get it to do what she wanted it
to, and I'm hoping that a hard drive will speed the process up some. (Kind of
slow with just floppies!)
I've given some thought to the new machines, though I would go with the TomCat
rather than the MM/1. I like the expandability of the FHL machine, but when it
comes right down to it, I don't really stress this thing. About all I do is
some word processing, use DynaCalc and Profile to do my budget and keep track
of it, and pop on CIS about twice a week. That with some dabbling with
programming, and it's a little hard to justify putting out a grand+ for
something I would most likely be doing the same thing with. When this dies I
will be moving up, but until then I just can't see it.
Besides, when I move up, I'll most likely want a hard drive anyway.
     >Lute<
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#: 6726 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Sep-90  07:03:20
Sb: #6716-Hard Drive
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)
Sounds reasonable to me.  If you do think there's any chance of your moving up,
be sure to get a hard drive that will work with the system you're thinking of
going to.  In the case of the MM/1, that means SCSI--dunno about the FHL boxes.

#: 6723 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Sep-90  01:34:58
Sb: #J&M Hard Drive
Fm: Don Kircher 76346,3475
To:  76703,422
 Kevin
   I successfully slowed Level II back to 1 Mhz by poking $FFD8 of the GIME's
SAM CONTROL REGISTERS. BIG change in the scroll rate of a multivue graphics
window. got that blasted J&M driver in the bootfile with the patch at offset 0E
from FF to 07 (Tried it both ways).
 INIZ H0 results in an error 246
 as does dir /h0.
 Something else needs to be poked back to Coco 1 compatability
 or is this an address conflict of some sort with LevelII
 This driver and the hard drive work under Level I on the coco III
  Yeah Yeah I know, why not just use Level I..
 Cause they Stopped making WordPAK thats why and my poor old
 gray coco is very stingy with her wordpak and won't share.
 Currently this silly Coco 3 is nothing more than an expensive
 notepad to display your CIS number for upload { sigh }
 Does anybody out therein CISLAND own one of these things or was I the only
sucker that bought one.
  A related aside.
  What is the legal status of software of defunct companies?
  I called J&M to inquire about this. They are alive and well.
  But they had a fire sale for coco stuff. It ALL went it a
  local hacker including all the source code. All I got was a
  shrug and an apology. With the available pool of coco II
  stuff shrinking as it is where do we stand without stepping
  on anybodies toes. Cocopro seems to have the only viable
  answer, but his scope is so limited compared to the wealth
  of what was available just a few years ago. I made the mistake
  that limited finance forces of waiting for that special what
  ever only to find it no longer available. I'm sure I'm not
  alone in this dilemma.
  Any ideas anyone?
  Thanks
  dlk
PS
  Anyone got a copy of sculpter they want to unload?
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#: 6763 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Sep-90  19:50:16
Sb: #6723-J&M Hard Drive
Fm: DENNIS SKALA 73177,2365
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475 (X)
Don,
I see you are a fellow Wordpak fan.  If you're not aware of it, a while back I
uploaded a group of files to let you utilize a Wordpak RS under Level II.  Come
to think of it, I believe I've improved that since.  Let me know if you're
interested, and I'll uprgrade the upload.  Not for the Wordpak I (or II - was
there a Wordpak II?), just the RS.
                                 ***** Dennis *****

#: 6774 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-Sep-90  00:45:58
Sb: #6723-J&M Hard Drive
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475 (X)
Don;
  I've got a never-been-used PBJ Wordpak II that I'd be willing to part with.
  Make me an offer...
 ...Jim

#: 6730 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Sep-90  11:02:49
Sb: #6679-#Great games
Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Hi Floyd... Thanks. I also found a problem in GemQuest. One one screen - I
can't remember which one - if you go right instead of down from the top of the
ladder on the right side of the screen, it dies with the same 55 error as tank.
I'll try to recreate it and let ya know which screen. It's not a huge problem,
cause you aren't supposed to be able to go right - I just bumped the joystick
the wrong way...
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#: 6734 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Sep-90  16:58:57
Sb: #6730-#Great games
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X)
The ipatch I created to fix some of the bugs in my games will correct the error
55 in Gem Quest.  The file is called DDPATCH.PAK in library 10.  Or, if you
wish , you can download GQUEST.BIN which also fixes the bugs.
Floyd
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#: 6737 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Sep-90  22:01:26
Sb: #6734-#Great games
Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Hi Floyd... Just found another bug in Tank - Whenever you hit a super-weapon
with a super-weapon shot, the game dies with an error #197 - Bad/Undefined
buffer number.
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#: 6740 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Sep-90  23:03:38
Sb: #6737-Great games
Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X)
Hi Floyd... Oops - that was supposed to be error #194 - I think.

#: 6745 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Sep-90  05:59:23
Sb: #6737-Great games
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X)
Really?  I though I took care of that.  I'll check it out. Thanks.
Floyd

#: 6735 S10/Tandy CoCo
    16-Sep-90  18:21:29
Sb: #Ramdisk
Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403
To: All
What is the largest ram drive available for OS9?  Is there one for the 1meg
upgrade?   -ph-
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6764 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Sep-90  19:50:56
Sb: #6735-#Ramdisk
Fm: DENNIS SKALA 73177,2365
To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X)
Paul,
Your question is very timely.  Just yesterday I put the finishing touches on
modifying (actually correcting) the Microcom Ramdisk package to work with the 1
Meg memory upgrade.  Up to 800K in size, sets up and formats in a wink, size
selectable at setup, recovers (most of the time) from a system crash, undoable
to recover system memory.  Comes with a quick device-to- device copy utility. 
They should have it in a week or so.
                             ***** Dennis *****
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#: 6766 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Sep-90  21:00:30
Sb: #6764-Ramdisk
Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403
To: DENNIS SKALA 73177,2365 (X)
Great!  I'll be looking for it!   -ph-

#: 6746 S10/Tandy CoCo
    17-Sep-90  06:03:28
Sb: Stereo Sound
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: All
Would it be possible to make a driver for the Orchestra-90 cartridge and play
computer generated sound through it in stereo?

#: 6771 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-Sep-90  21:31:29
Sb: #HardDrive Problem
Fm: james pottage 71750,2012
To: Kevin Darling
Kevin, this is a short note to give you a better idea of the problems I am
having with the SCSI Seagate 125N hard drive. The drive seems to function well
after the system has booted up. The problem seems to be in the boot. When I
boot up the system does not change the data and execution directories to the
hard drive. It appears that the system may try to change directories because
the light on the hard drive comes on during the boot for a breif moment. Once
the system has booted I can then type chd /h0 and chx /h0/cmds (or to /dd which
is the harddrive as well). This usually works fine, however, once in a while I
get an error 247 - seek error. This goes away after a second attempt to change
directories to the hardDrive. Moreover, if I press reset after booting (without
changing directories) the system  will boot with no problems ie. it changes
directories to the hardDrive and then runs startup off the harddrive. This
sequence of problem will happens even if the system has been running for a
while and a cold start is then done(ie the system coco is turned off and then
dos is used to start again - and the hard drive is left running the whole
time.) I have tried changing the CC3GO module and this has had no effect on the
boot. I am presently using the drivers for the Disto Super Controller 2 in 1
board - harddrive and serial port. I believe that these drivers were not
written by you. Would the 4 in 1 drivers which you wrote work on this system.
Oh yea one more thing, the hard drive is occasionnally accessed by the system
for no apparent reason ie. the harddrive runs when the program in memory (like
VED) should not be using the drive.
         Jim Pottage
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#: 6801 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Sep-90  00:11:42
Sb: #6771-HardDrive Problem
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: james pottage 71750,2012 (X)
Jim - haven't forgotten about you; just couldn't think of anything <grin>.
Hmmm...
Coupla ideas tonight.  First, are you using a Multipak, and if so, has it been
upgraded?
Also, is the drive desc set up for embedded SCSI drives?  That is, is the
control word stuff set to zero?  (I forget what utils Disto provides to set
this; some kind of custom "dmode" command?).
And (sorry if this is a repeat Q), has it always acted this way? thx! - kev

#: 6817 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Sep-90  17:32:15
Sb: #6771-HardDrive Problem
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: james pottage 71750,2012 (X)
Another note: when you say that the HD is accessed at times, even if nothing
should be going on, do you mean the drive light comes on?   Or just that you
hear the drive seeking around every once in a while?  That last is normal, as
many drives autopark themselves (and/or re-align themselves, I think) after a
period of inactivity.

#: 6791 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-Sep-90  20:04:44
Sb: #Ledger 4.5
Fm: David Sanchez 76200,2476
To: Joseph Cheek
Joseph,
Concerningg your Ledger 4.5 program, I think it is great! The edits come in
handy.
However, there are a coupla things I noticed. After editting a transaction, the
balances are not correct. I am not sure (I haven't delved into it in a couple
of weeks) but I think the program fails to read deposits after the edit or
vice-versa (but always AFTER the edit). I will look into it more closely.
Also, is there any way to change the screen colors? The reason I ask is because
I use a monochrome monitor and some of the highlights fade and can barely be
read. Some of the things I noticed were the default selections, the main menu
and the deposits on the Transaction Query options. On the deposits, and I can't
tell you what colors they are, but the are a light color with dark characters.
These are very hard to read.
Those are the only two things that I have noticed so far. The colors are an
irrritating thing but the miscalculation problem can be devastating.
Thanks for your help,
David
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#: 6846 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Sep-90  16:28:02
Sb: #6791-#Ledger 4.5
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: David Sanchez 76200,2476
David-edit bug also.  I found that it works fine with correct entries but that if
something is off, everything else is thrown off, also--due to the logic I
implemented in the recalculation portion.  I will fix that.  Third: changing
screen colors, yes, I can arrange that.  My new version will be 5.0, with
greatly enhanced features, a new record type (which will require a program to
change the data from the old (pre-5.0) record format to the new format) and
lotsa little goodies (of which I could easily implement a color selection). 
However, it will be several weeks forthcoming, prob'ly a couple of months.  For
the color right now, there's not much I can do now, but I have noticed a way to
work around the recalculation bug (which usually works?!?!?)--try editing the
entry previous to the entry in error, and edit the data to contain the same
data that was there before--in effect, not changing the entry, but it should
provide an accurate recaluon of the entries afterwards.  Hope this helps.
If you have any other questions, comments, please leave them to me!  I
appreciate the effort to give me feedback, as this is an essential portion of
software development.  Thank you for your time.
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#: 6847 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Sep-90  16:32:51
Sb: #6846-Ledger 4.5
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
David--It seems that my reply was a little munched, some of the first few lines
were lost--not sure why.  anyway, what you missed was: I'm glad you like the
program, and hope to help you in this problem.  I can't do much about the color
right now, but please read the message previous (PARENT from the ! prompt) for
a hopeful temporary workaround for the recalc. bug.

#: 6793 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-Sep-90  20:34:45
Sb: #See You in Atlanta
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: All
Well...I hope that I will see many of you in Atlanta.  I just bought
nonrefundable plane tickets there, so I'm committed to going to CoCoFest.
There is 1 Reply.

#: 6796 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-Sep-90  22:07:25
Sb: #6793-See You in Atlanta
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Hey! That's great, JJ! Stop by my booth (sharing one with Art Flexser of
Spectro Systems) and say HI!
Zack

#: 6803 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Sep-90  01:45:42
Sb: #J&M Driver
Fm: Don Kircher 76346,3475
To: Kevin Darling/ 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin
     Thanks for your help with the device driver for the J&M. I have come to
the conclusion that it just plain needs a new driver/descriptor for level II. I
was able to FORMAT the drive with the program supplied in the original package,
so that rules out hardware problems. (that program didn't bother with
drivers/descriptors but it did work under level II).
 Two questions before tackling this l-o-n-g term project.
   The defs files for level II will be different and will be found in the
developers kit - yes ( sigh ) and
   Will the coco II version of dynamite be appropriate for level II drivers as
it also had a defs file and
   If it won't work can you direct me to a disassembler which will be
appropriate for level II defs.
  All this because I couldn't find a decent wordprocessor that would run on
WORDPAK RS  to do my resume on the hard drive !
 Rather like eating your way out of a warehouse full of
 twinkies!
 dlk
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#: 6806 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Sep-90  03:21:17
Sb: #6803-J&M Driver
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475 (X)
I've messed with J&M hard drives on a friend's system a coupla years back... I
don't recall any changes needed (other than making quite sure that the address
byte we mentioned before is changed... that's mandatory in the descriptor).  I
can send you some code to look at, tho.
Also, I forgot to ask... are you using a Multipak?  Has it been upgraded, if
yes?
Very few drivers actually need L-II defs; but I think you can still find a copy
of most of them over on the Microware display area (GO MSC and look in the 6809
section... if it's still there.. hmmm... I'm not sure it is!).
Never say die. It's gotta be something quite simple ;-).  - kev

#: 6807 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Sep-90  03:23:27
Sb: #6803-J&M Driver
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475 (X)
PS: Don, does your J&M HD setup use a Konan drive controller board?
 - kev

#: 6808 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Sep-90  03:26:19
Sb: #6803-J&M Driver
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475 (X)
PPS: I just looked... Microware has taken down all the 6809 OS-9 stuff from
their display area.

#: 6804 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Sep-90  02:02:45
Sb: #Disk Drive Help Needed
Fm: ANDYT 76636,2300
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
     HELP,ANYONE!
  I GUESS YOU COULD CALL THIS
  AN OUCH?..
    I JUST TOOK OUT MY DRIVE
  (ORIGINAL) FROM MY FD500 TO PUT IN TWO TEAC 55B'S
  NOW I CAN'T GET THEM TO WORK.
   I WANTED D0 + D1 ,QUESTION: CAN IT BE DONE FOR LESS THAN $50?
               I'M TYPING THIS OUT ON MY RS232 PAK (NOT MY USUAL DESKMATE
TERMINAL)
               ANY SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
           ANDYT
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#: 6805 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Sep-90  03:16:08
Sb: #6804-#Disk Drive Help Needed
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: ANDYT 76636,2300 (X)
Andy - if you leave in just one Teac, does it work?  Have you set the drive
select jumpers on the drives to d0 and d1? (or d1 and d2, on some drives;
whichever are first).
Does the FD500 drive cable (the 34-pin cable) have some teeth pulled on it?
That will matter if those 55B's are double-sided drives (I can't recall - are
they?)
Not to worry... you should be running soon. Oh; and are they used or ??
 - kev
PS: please use the OPTions menu here in the forum to change your name to your
first and last name .... thanks!
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#: 6829 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Sep-90  23:19:21
Sb: #6805-#Disk Drive Help Needed
Fm: ANDYT 76636,2300
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
  THEY ACCESS PART OF A DIRECTORY THROUGH RSDOS THEN I GET AN I/O ERROR.
     YES , THEY ARE DOUBLE SIDED, THEY ARE USED -BUT THEY WERE WORKING PROPERLY
BEFORE I TOOK THEM OUT OF THE OLD MACHINE(TELEVIDIO 802),NO
     I DID NOTICE, HOWEVER ,THAT THERE IS A PLACE FOR A RESISTOR IN ONE OF THE
DATA CHANNELS-COULD THIS BE NEEDED?
  I'VE GOT 2 JUMPERS WITH EACH DRIVE -1 IS SET DRIVE(D0,D1,D2,D3)-THE OTHER ONE
WAS SET ON HM(HM,HS,MX),
 THE ORDER OF ALL OF THEM ARE-
      FROM BACK LEFT-RIGHT
      HS,DS0,DS1,HM,DS2,DS3,MX
                  ANDY T
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#: 6830 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Sep-90  23:34:43
Sb: #6829-Disk Drive Help Needed
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: ANDYT 76636,2300
Andy - okay, the jumpers sound right.
Yes, usually the last drive on the cable needs the resistor pack installed
(called "termination").  Drives may or may not operate without one.
Check your cable.. do you see any pins pulled on the drive connectors? If so,
being double sided will require that you either make a new cable (by crimping
on new 34-pin connectors from any RS store)... or by turning over the cable at
all ends (so that the "good" side with all pins is used).
Let us know what you find.

#: 6820 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Sep-90  19:09:54
Sb: #SELECT
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: ALL
Does anyone know how to create a generic window (/w) from Basic09 and then run
a program (SHELL "program) in it and then jump to it without pressing
"clear"????
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#: 6823 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Sep-90  21:14:09
Sb: #6820-SELECT
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
You'd probably have to explicitly open /w yourself, OPEN #wpath, "/w":UPDATE,
and then SHELL "program <>>>/"+STR$(wpath) or words to that effect. (Don't
forget to explicitly close #wpath once the smoke clears.)

#: 6828 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-Sep-90  23:06:33
Sb: #6820-SELECT
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
PROCEDURE PhilDemo
(* Open /w, goto it, run program in it, return on end
(* Taken from MVTEST.AR in Lib 10, I think
(* 
BASE 0
TYPE registers=CC,A,B,DP:BYTE; X,Y,U:INTEGER
DIM stack:registers
DIM oldpath(3),newpath:BYTE
DIM I_Dup:BYTE
I_Dup=$82 \(* Duplicate path *)
(* Open wildcard, and for gcal must dwset it, select it
 OPEN #newpath,"/w"
 RUN gfx2(newpath,"DWSet",6,0,0,40,24,0,1,2)
 PRINT #newpath,CHR$($1B); CHR$($21); 
(* Duplicate original stdpaths into temp storage
(* close them, dup newpath into them.
 FOR p=0 TO 2
 stack.A=p
 RUN syscall(I_Dup,stack) \(* make dup of oldstdpaths
 oldpath(p)=stack.A
 CLOSE #p
 stack.A=newpath
 RUN syscall(I_Dup,stack) \(* force oldpath to new
 NEXT p
 SHELL "gcal" \(* Start gcal with all new /w paths
(* On exit, do the opposite
 FOR p=0 TO 2
 CLOSE #p
 stack.A=oldpath(p)
 RUN syscall(I_Dup,stack) \(* reset original stdpaths
 CLOSE #oldpath(p)
 NEXT p
 PRINT #0,CHR$($1B); CHR$($21);  \(* reselect BEFORE:
 CLOSE #newpath
 END 

#: 6834 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Sep-90  02:08:19
Sb: #J&M Hard Drive
Fm: Don Kircher 76346,3475
To: Kevin Darling/ 76703,4227 (X)
 Kevin
      The J&M has a Konan drive controller board and I've not been using an
mpi. I did some fiddling with the ident and cmp utilities and discovered ( well
it WAS a discovery for me ! ) that cc3disk is longer than ccdisk as is /d0II
longer than /d0I. Why so and could that be a hint of something lacking for
level II operation.
 btw what are the sig surcharge rates for patient tutors of slow
 students...
  The educational value of all this easily trancends these silly hardware
problems
 Thanks
 dlk
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#: 6839 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Sep-90  07:34:59
Sb: #6834-J&M Hard Drive
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475
Don - grin - no extra charge for slow learners who keep at it.
I betcha /d0 is longer in L-II cuz of the name "cc3disk" embedded in it (versus
just "ccdisk").  Am I close?
CC3disk itself is longer because it has more capability than the L-I version.
That is, it knows better about double-sided and 80tk disks, and isn't hardcoded
to everything like CCdisk was.
Good on the Konan controller. I assume you have the AR util?  I can email you
something to play with. best - kev

#: 6835 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Sep-90  02:09:59
Sb: Wordpak(s)
Fm: Don Kircher 76346,3475
To: Dennis Skala/ 73177,2365 (X)
 YES! I'm a diehard user of wordpak on my Coco 1.
 Got real nervous when it started fuzzing and dancing on me.
 Probably never would have gotten a COCO 3 if I could have
 found a wordprocessor that worked on the wordpak RS. I've
 got Stylo graph but not a Wordpak II. If I can ever get
 the Coco 3 up to speed I'll check your stuff out.
 Marty Goodman has done some neat looking stuff for the
 RS version over on delphi...if I can ever find the time.
 thanks
 dlk

#: 6836 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Sep-90  02:12:08
Sb: Tandy Hard drives
Fm: Don Kircher 76346,3475
To: all
 I've been fiddling with an as is tent sale  radio shack 15 meg hard drive of
the variety intended for the level 1 drivers packaged in os9 version 2.00
 The price was right ( 75 bucks ) I couldn't resist. I already have the primary
drive and it works well. Got to build my own cables to connect these two
beasties. Inside the humongous case there is a five inch tandon unit with a
western digital control board. No docs came with either unit.
 Got it all fired up today with all the drivers in place and the cables hooked
up properly ( I hope ! ) But no luck
 Any attempt to access /h1 including format results in a two step failure.
     example;  format /h1
               ** all the normal prompts **
               error 247 seek error
               Ok no sweat the drive is trashed but the next
               drive access on /h0 gets an error 246 device not
               ready. Something has happened to the driver !
               /d0 and /d1 behave normally but cchdisk is
               trashed until reboot. I can say with confidence
               that it is NOT /h0.
 Ok so now the question;
  Is that secondary drive /h1 REALLY trashed or is my hookup suspect
  and does anybody have any ideas how narrow it down. Lastly any
  favorite vendors for repair. From 75 bucks theres a lot of room
  to play with and still be cost effective.
  Thanks
   dlk

#: 6850 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-Sep-90  17:08:53
Sb: Hardisk
Fm: james pottage 71750,2012
To: Kevin Darling
Kevin, no I am not using a multipak and yes the drive desc is set to zero. The
drive light does not come on during the accesses when no programs are being
run. I did not realize that some drive autopark themselves after a certain
period of no use. The problem with the boot seems to be with the way in which
the CC3go module interacts with the CCHDisk. Possibly the CCHDISK has a bug in
it.
                                                Jim Pottage

#: 7039 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    27-Sep-90  21:11:37
Sb: #Rdisk
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X)
Paul - you'll have to add /d2 to your bootfile.  That would require using
config or os9gen.  How many disk drives do you have?  It'll be pretty easy with
two.  Let us know.
Loading in system modules (device descriptors, drivers) after boot is a bad
idea on the coco because it allocates "blocks" of memory 8K at a time. So even
loading one little 50-byte descriptor consumes over 8000 bytes in the system's
64K map.  This lowers the number of processes and windows that you can have
going at one time, and can also easily prevent programs like GShell from being
able to look at the modules it wants to.
Ummm. This gets a little complicated, but if you simply place all devices you
intend to use in your bootfile, you'll avoid many strange things <grin>.
 best - kev
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#: 7078 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    30-Sep-90  18:03:42
Sb: #7039-#Rdisk
Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Well, I have 3 disk drives, 35 tracks each.  One is a 5-1/4", the other two are
3" Amdek drives in a single package, each configured as 35 tracks; the 5-1/4"
is /d0, the others, /d1, & /d2.  I found out that editing 
/d0/modules/bootlist.mv  to contain  d2_35s.dd  module doesn't work.  So I've
got a bit of homework to do, make some mistakes, and learn sumpin' in the
process.   -ph-
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#: 7089 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Oct-90  00:15:07
Sb: #7078-#Rdisk
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X)
Paul - ah, the old Amdek drives!  Almost got some way back when.
After you added d2_35s.dd to your "bootlist.mv" file, did you then use os9gen? 
Have you ever used os9gen or config? (asking to find out which one you feel
more comfortable with, if either)
Yah on the mistakes... they're the best teachers <grin>!
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#: 7179 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Oct-90  17:33:41
Sb: #7089-#Rdisk
Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Well, I did it!  I got /d2 to work from the MV screen.  Had to edit BUILDMV so
that d2_35S.DD got copied.  Made a new mv #2 disk and it worked out fine.  If I
am catching on to what is happening, buildmv copies selected files already in
memory from the initial OS9 system disk.  Then it generates a bootable OS9 type
procedure on track 34 using OS9GEN and creates a bootlist.mv besides.  This is
necessary because there cannot be any uncontiguous sectors during the mv boot
which would occur if one tried to add a module to a previously made boot disk
as I tried to do initially.   -ph-
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#: 7189 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Oct-90  23:37:07
Sb: #7179-Rdisk
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X)
Paul - sounds like you've got it to me!  I do know that the Save command is
hidden in with another command on the MV disk, so it sounds right.
Yep, the os9boot must be contiguous, as there is no RBF manager around when you
boot <grin>, and the simple Boot module disk driver knows only to get
sequential sectors.  And as you said, the main os9p1/boot/rel  code is placed
on track 34 (since we don't have it in ROM).
You're rocking now! <grin>  thx for the update - kev

#: 7180 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Oct-90  17:38:15
Sb: #7089-#Rdisk
Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
ps:  what is the module which is loaded when first the shell command is
selected from the MV menu?  I believe I'd want to have this loaded
automatically on boot-up since I select that option straight-away.  -ph-
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#: 7190 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Oct-90  23:38:49
Sb: #7180-Rdisk
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X)
Paul - hmmm.  I can't think of what that could be.  Doesn't seem like there'd
need to be anything loaded to run the shell menu item.
So got me!  Perhaps an mdir would show you what got loaded?

#: 7088 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    30-Sep-90  23:21:20
Sb: #data
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: all
Does anybody have a DATA base with at least 10 fields?
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#: 7095 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Oct-90  15:54:42
Sb: #7088-#data
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
I've sort of been working on one that can handle up to 20 fields plus features
formating (i.e. placing the fields on the screen wherever you wish).  Maybe I
should dust it off and finish it.
Floyd
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#: 7110 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Oct-90  22:37:20
Sb: #7095-#data
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
That would be great!! Hey what ever happend to the modem game??
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#: 7125 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    02-Oct-90  14:06:41
Sb: #7110-#data
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
Well, as soon as I can find a cheap RS-232 pak I'm going to work on some.  I
tried to test some over the phone but that was next to impossible.
Floyd
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#: 7136 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    02-Oct-90  22:15:07
Sb: #7125-#data
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
OK thanks for the info let me know when you are done or if I can be some help.
 OK?
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#: 7155 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Oct-90  14:39:23
Sb: #7136-#data
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
No problem.
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#: 7173 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Oct-90  23:05:33
Sb: #7155-#data
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
How soon do you think?
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#: 7176 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Oct-90  05:46:18
Sb: #7173-data
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
Well, the data base program can be completed fairly quickly.  As far as modem
games, whenever I get another RS-232 pak.
Floyd

#: 7129 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    02-Oct-90  17:26:50
Sb: Spoker Bugz
Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
      Ok, cool. At least we know what's going on now.
   /exit

#: 7132 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    02-Oct-90  17:54:06
Sb: #512k got trashed
Fm: Shawn Thomas 76226,3237
To: All
Could someone provide me with info on who is selling 512k upgrad boards for the
Coco 3?  I just moved and somehow my board got trashed, it no longer works in
either of my Coco 3s.  Or should I take it to some tech and have the chips
tested?  I'm currently running on 128k, and it is driving me nuts!  And of
course running on 128k meant chopping my boot file down from where I had it.  I
no longer subscribe to Rainbow, and I'm not sure what companies are still out
there, or what their prices are like.
Shawn
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#: 7148 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Oct-90  07:48:15
Sb: #7132-512k got trashed
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Shawn Thomas 76226,3237 (X)
Shawn,
I, too, dropped Rainbow a while back... but they just sent me the October ish
trying to convince me I need to resubscribe. So here's a few vendors you might
wish to check out (in no particular order):
Microcom 1-800-654-5244
Burke and Burke 1-800 237-2409
Disto 514-967-0195
Might want to take the plung in to the 1 meg machine if the buck are right.
Steve

#: 7133 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    02-Oct-90  19:36:41
Sb: Level I Drivers
Fm: Chris Burke 72240,304
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
Well, Steve, we haven't done anything on BlueBoard. The TC9 and MM/1 make the
product less viable.  If I ever get time, maybe I'll just post the PAL
equations and stuff so that some other enterprising person can build the thing.
Nice to be back!
CJB

#: 7135 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    02-Oct-90  21:39:23
Sb: #Sterm_Question
Fm: Stanley L. Goldsberry 72060,2720
To: all
sterm_question symptoms= Sterm menu comes on screen then the computer locks up
with the cursor under the statement Current baud rate=9600,computer will not
respond to any keys and I have out of the lockup. Knowing the baud should be
1200 baud to match my Avatex 1200 modem,could this cause the above symptoms? I
have the Sterm in /d0/cmds,termcap and ttytype in /d0/sys,also t2 and patched
cc3io in os9boot using coco3.How do I go about changing the baud rate? then
again my thinking may be out in left field. StanleyGoldsberry 72060,2720
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#: 7141 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Oct-90  03:34:16
Sb: #7135-Sterm_Question
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Stanley L. Goldsberry 72060,2720 (X)
You should be able to change the baud rate with xmode.

#: 7149 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Oct-90  07:53:18
Sb: #7135-#Sterm_Question
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Stanley L. Goldsberry 72060,2720 (X)
Stanley,
Aside from the baud problem wich you can solve by xmoding the descriptor prior
to executing sterm, Sterm assumes that /dd is present.
You tell us that sterm is in /d0/cmds and the termcap stuff is in /d0/sys, so I
assume that you don't have /dd in your boot. Three solutions come immediately
to mind:
1) add /dd to your bootfile
2) move the termcap stuff to /r0/sys  (sterm knows about ramdisk)
3) using Ded, change the occurances of /dd in sterm to /d0
Take your pick, and let us know what works for you.
Steve
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#: 7210 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Oct-90  18:12:19
Sb: #7149-Sterm_Question
Fm: ANDY THIBODEAU 76636,2300
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
 if you don't use anything else with that discriptor,you
 might want to cobbler it after you xmode it to the correct baud.
        andy t.

#: 7166 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Oct-90  20:40:16
Sb: ShellMate
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: All
Anyone here use ShellMate, if so, what are your thoughts on the product.
Who is marketing it now?
Lee

#: 7183 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Oct-90  20:40:52
Sb: #Coco III Hardware Probs
Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin,
     You helped me on September 22 with the Tandy part numbers for IC8 and Q1
in a Coco III.  I replaced them both, and my 5 volt problem has been cured. 
Thanks!
     However... symptoms now are that I get only a blank 32 column screen with
a black border.  Seems to me that the last time I ran across this, the culprit
was the GIME.  Or was it the 6809?  Would you happen to have the part numbers
for these items as well?  (Although, if you think it's the CPU, I'll probably
order it from a source other than Tandy.)
     Thanks again for your never-ending assistance!
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#: 7192 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Oct-90  23:43:08
Sb: #7183-#Coco III Hardware Probs
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 (X)
Chris - since you get some video, might be just the cpu.  Of course, you'll
need to put in a socket (dontcha hate that?).
I think we should ask openly for someone to come up with the GIME number... I
believe the stock # has changed over the years, with newer parts. Might be a
file on this around, not sure.  If no one comes up with the latest number, I'll
dig up the old one.
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#: 7213 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Oct-90  21:46:29
Sb: #7192-Coco III Hardware Probs
Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Yeah, I've put in sockets into quite a few Cocos.  Putting 'em in isn't so bad.
Chopping out the chip is the pain.
I did purchase a GIME a while back... maybe I can find the packing slip and get
the part number off of it.  But per your suggestion, I'll try the CPU first.
Thanks!   See you at the Fest!

#: 7195 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Oct-90  02:38:50
Sb: #7183-#Coco III Hardware Probs
Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
To: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 (X)
Chris!
The part number for the GIME chip is MX-0992.  If you're going to be at the
Atlanta CoCofest, stop by the DELMAR booth - I'll bring a couple with me.
Ed
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#: 7214 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Oct-90  21:49:25
Sb: #7195-Coco III Hardware Probs
Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)
Thanks a bunch, Ed.  I'll certainly look you up at the Fest!  Might just buy a 
GIME, although Kevin concurs that it's most likely the CPU.
Will you also have a 68B09 available?
See you in Atlanta!

#: 7201 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Oct-90  06:51:18
Sb: #7183-#Coco III Hardware Probs
Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
To: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 (X)
The CPU is a MC68B09E, the equivalent, or better; if you have been having heat
problems try to find a chip with a C suffix instead of P.  The ceramics usually
have a better temperature rating.  The new GIME(Tandy calls it ACVC) is part 
MX-0992.
William
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#: 7215 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Oct-90  21:51:21
Sb: #7201-#Coco III Hardware Probs
Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127
To: William Phelps 75100,265 (X)
Thanks very much for the info on the CPU and the GIME, William.  Should have
the thing repaired within a few days, thanks to tour help, as well as others
here.
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#: 7221 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Oct-90  23:54:04
Sb: #7215-Coco III Hardware Probs
Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
To: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 (X)
I'm always glad to help.

#: 7205 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Oct-90  13:28:11
Sb: #7183-#Coco III Hardware Probs
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 (X)
Do you have the 512k upgrade.  I know that from time to time I get only a blank
VDG screen when I power up.  The culprit is my upgrade.  I have to take the
cover off and press down on the memory board.  I then power up and everything
is fine.
Floyd
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#: 7216 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Oct-90  21:53:33
Sb: #7205-#Coco III Hardware Probs
Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Thanks Floyd, but the Coco I am working on has only 128K, (it's my sister's
machine), so re-seating the 512K board won't help.  BUT, it may help me
in the future if I ever experience the same symptoms.
Thanks!
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#: 7226 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    06-Oct-90  09:36:03
Sb: #7216-#Coco III Hardware Probs
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 (X)
Chris,
I have to agree that the CPU is the logical choice. I toasted mine way back
when with the same symptoms. Seems the CPU is very susceptable (?) to damage.
Mine got eaten when I bumped the MPI.
The CPU is the cheaper chip as well.
Steve
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#: 7243 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    08-Oct-90  03:42:07
Sb: #7226-Coco III Hardware Probs
Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
Thanks, Steve.  I'll be ordering the CPU today, and am pretty sure it will fix
the problem.

#: 7206 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Oct-90  13:33:01
Sb: Rdisk
Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403
To: Kevin Darling, 76703,4227 (X)
Yeah, I figure it will take an mdir after exiting MV, plus another one to
compare mdir after creating an OS9 shell.   Later.   btw, just got the 1meg
upgrade today.  -ph-

#: 7238 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    07-Oct-90  14:47:15
Sb: #help bad crc
Fm: ERIC HOCHSTETLER 71340,430
To: all
Can anyone tell me how to fix a module on disk with a bad CRC?  I can't figure
out how to do it with any command supplied with OS9 L2.
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#: 7239 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    07-Oct-90  21:52:39
Sb: #7238-help bad crc
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: ERIC HOCHSTETLER 71340,430 (X)
Eric,
The only way I know of to fix a bad CRC is to replace the questioned program
from either a known good backup or the source disk.
If a file is being flagged as having a bad CRC ... then pay attention.
Something has gone on to cause it to be wrong!
:-)
Steve

#: 7251 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    08-Oct-90  20:47:48
Sb: #7238-help bad crc
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: ERIC HOCHSTETLER 71340,430
Eric - as someone has mentioned, if the CRC is bad, the module is messed up in
some way.  However, if you yourself changed the module on purpose, then the
"verify" command (it may be on the dev disk under L-II ... it came with L-I)
can be used.  If the module isn't already in memory, and you know what to
change, you could use modpatch to change and reverity it also.
Which module is it, and did you change it yourself (and how)?  thx - kev

#: 7242 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    07-Oct-90  23:00:14
Sb: #finished?
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To:  72227,3467 (X)
Did you ever finish your address program????
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#: 7262 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Oct-90  18:56:50
Sb: #7242-#finished?
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
Everett,
   You might have me mixed up with someone else ? Either that or my memory is
really going, because I can't think of an address program that I was working
on. The only thing close was that label maker program that I uploaded a couple
of years ago. I had thoughts at the time of adding a little database to that
label program but never got back to it.
Larry
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#: 7268 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Oct-90  22:42:16
Sb: #7262-finished?
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
thats what i am talking about. got it from the download lidt.!

#: 7359 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    14-Oct-90  11:14:00
Sb: #Reduced system memory
Fm: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102
To: All
I have a CoCo3 with 128K of memory.  Due to memory restrictions when running
the C compiler,  I have been trying to create a os9boot file that eliminates
the overhead of the grfdrv file, (Yes I want 80 characters/line!).  I have
tried to set up a boot file that uses just /t2 as the primary /term and also I
have tried to use ccio and co80 from level 1 version 2 to create a system with
less memory requirements.  None of these approaches seem to work.  Does anyone
have any ideas on why this fails for me? I have tried the following:
 1. Reassembled Init with /t2 as the primary terminal. Didn't work.
 2. Reassembled t2 device descripter renamed as term.  Didn't work.
   The two above methods aborted with a Boot Failed
 3. Replaced cc3io with ccio (level 1, version 2), eliminated grfint, and
    added co80, (Mike D...'s patch for 80 chars/line on level 1 version 2).
Can anyone HELP??
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#: 7382 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Oct-90  13:06:13
Sb: #7359-#Reduced system memory
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102 (X)
Bill - if you don't need video at all, you could do the init=/t2 and/or
Term=/t2 as you did, leave out cc3io,vdgint/etc, but be sure to have aciapak...
which is /t2's driver of course.
Is the new Init/T2 modules' CRC correct and verified?  The coco should boot up
to use the terminal (make sure baud rate correct also).  Does /t2 work fine
with your terminal now?
Do you also have Shell on the boot disk CMDS dir?
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#: 7395 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Oct-90  22:14:04
Sb: #7382-Reduced system memory
Fm: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin, thanks for your response.  BTW, I have really enjoyed the utilities you
have uploaded to both Delphi and Compuserve.  I used to use mverify very
extensively, (primarily with level 1), and dmode has really made life easy on
me when I have changed out disk drives.  I have also made the level 2 patches
you have provided.  Not to mention scfedit, proc, dirm, etc., etc., etc... 
Thank You!!  (and thanks for the utilities you have provided with source code. 
This is how people learn about their operating system and hardware.  To be
honest with you, my interest in the CoCo and OS9 has just begun again after a
long period of disuse).
Since you believe what I tried should work, I think I better go back and try it
again.  Initially, I thought I was very careful.  In answer to your responses
this is what I remember.
I did an ident on the new os9boot file that I created using os9gen.  All CRC
checked out ok.  This is not really surprising since the modified init module,
(when I changed the default terminal to t2), and the device descripter, (when I
changed the name to term), were modified and assembled from the disassembly of
the original code.  I make sure that all the source code from my disassemblies
are correct by running the assembler and checking its cmd file outputs with the
original module.  The os9boot file was made using os9gen with its bootlist file
modified to add/delete the modified or unwanted modules or device descripter. 
I did not try this modification by patching the modules or device descripter in
memory.  Since I was trying to delete the grfint, cc3io, and grfdrv, (which I
presume grfint loads), it wouldn't make much sense, (to me anyway!).
Message continues in the next message......

#: 7396 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Oct-90  22:15:38
Sb: #7382-#Reduced system memory
Fm: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Yes, I did have a good copy of shell in the CMDS directory on the boot disk and
it did have the proper attributes set correctly.  Since the startup file has
the line "link shell" as its first command, I also made sure that link was in
the CMDS directory with the proper execution attributes set. I remember when I
first got os9 level 2, (Yes, I too was anxiously awaiting its arrival, but I
guess that might have been obvious from the mention of Mike D..'s fine co80
driver for level 1), and went through the OS9 Boot Failed errors caused by not
having grfdrv in the CMDS directory while using grfint.  It nearly drove me
crazy that first night!!!
As far as t2 is concerned:  Yes, it does work fine, and yes, the baud rate is
set up properly.  No problem using a terminal or terminal emulation on my IBM
clone for communcation, (with null modem cable).  And modem operation is no
problem either.  The serial port is a home brew card hanging from a Disto Super
Controller II, (I hate those Multi-paks!), running your cc3disk.irq driver. 
ACIAPAK was in the boot file and modified using your patch from the the SCII
driver and documentation disk.  The CoCo3 was modified with the IRQ diode hack
described by Marty Goodman in the Nov '89 issue of Rainbow, however, I DID NOT,
make the tie ins as described in the Rainbow text.  A little PC tracing can
make the wire run much shorter and it is easier and cleaner to solder to a PC
trace making the transition to the other side of the board, (the hole and
solder pad is already provided for you <grin>).
This problem will not make any significant difference in the long run since I
really need to upgrade my memory!  But, you know how it is, I want to know why
it didn't work. Any comments on the ccio/co80 combination?  I also need to buy
your book, "Inside OS9 Level 2".  Do you have any preferred distributer?
I will let you know what I come up with.  To be honest, I have quite a few
questions concerning OS9 level 2 but I don't think it is fair of me to ask them
without first reading your book on the subject.
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#: 7406 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-Oct-90  00:20:35
Sb: #7396-#Reduced system memory
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102 (X)
Bill -
First, thanks for the thanks!  And absolutely all questions are welcomed...
there's a lot not in my book's weird reference tables <grin>.  So ask away!
Second, thanks for the detailed background on what you've done/tried.  I in
return must ask the required question:
Did you use "fcs" on the name change in your Init/T2 source code, to set the
high bit on the end of the descriptor name?
Practical suggestion:  make a custom CC3GO which changes the border color of
the coco screen when it is executed, so that you can see if OS9 even gets to
cc3go.  If it doesn't, then see previous paragraph.
I don't think CO80 etc will work at all under L-II... all of us who wrote
things like that simply went out and grabbed some extra memory (which would
have to be coordinated under L-II natch)... under L-I this was possible with
impunity on a 128K coco, but not L-II.  CCIO itself relied on L-I system
variables, which again won't work under L-II.
Yah, you really need the 512K... what a diff it makes!  In any even tho,
booting to a different /term should be quite possible.  Something simple (isn't
it always??) is screwing you up.  We'll laugh when you find it <grin>. Keep us
posted. best - kev
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#: 7453 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-Oct-90  23:06:28
Sb: #7406-#Reduced system memory
Fm: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev - Ok, I tried to boot up with t2 as the primary terminal again without any
success.  Yes, the primary terminal in Init is defined with the fcs as: term 
fcs  "/t2"
I guess I should have written this down before I asked the question instead of
relying on my memory.  I do not get a OS9 BOOT FAILED message, the initial OS9
BOOT comes up on the Coco3 screen but the disk drive just keeps running and
never boots up and never stops!
Could it have anything to do with defining the immortal shell as "i=/1" in the
CC3Go module?  Init's redefinition of the default/primary terminal should still
work with this statement. Shouldn't it?  If this doesn't give you any Ah-ha,
then I will try to figure out how to add several statments in CC3Go to change
border color on my composite monochrome monitor.  I suppose some absolute
direct writes to the GIME should do this since it's memory space is never
mapped out and always reside above $FF00, Right? I also presume you have tried
doing this with your coco.  Since I think you said that IOMan doesn't use Init
to determine the number of entries in the device table, (you wrote this in your
os9 lvl2 patch file as I recall), Microware/Tandy didn't pull any fast ones by
ignoring the default terminal in Init. Did they?  Also, could it be the dreaded
bootlist problem??
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#: 7459 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-Oct-90  03:47:00
Sb: #7453-#Reduced system memory
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102 (X)
Bill - yah, I use color cues etc to debug things on boot.  Oh, you can also
write to $0000-001F, which isn't cleared on boots.  Write some info there, then
boot with a good disk and check out what went there (in the system map of
course).
I think it's something REALLY simple that's killing you.  Like, does the Shell
in CMDS have execution permissions?  Is it a good shell?  Are the disk drive
descriptors set up correctly?  Etc.
It's important to not take anything like that for granted.  I've done it quite
often myself <grin + sigh>, and spent days overlooking the most obvious
ommissions from my bootfile, etc.  Also peer at your normal startup file (maybe
you do something there?)
Is there anything special about your serial port which must be set up before
use, that might only happen on a normal bootdisk?   I suppose it could be the
dreaded BLOB, but I haven't seen too many of those lately.  Still, shuffle
around your bootlist and check.
Hmm. I would do this (if you haven't already): create a normal video bootdisk,
and boot. Try /t2. Work okay?  Now take the same disk and use dEd to modify the
os9boot Init module to say /t2 instead of /term.  Write the change, reverify
and reboot.  If it doesn't work I don't know what to say!  Luck - kev
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#: 7476 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-Oct-90  20:44:10
Sb: #7459-Reduced system memory
Fm: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Ok, Kev. I took part of your suggestion in the last message and got an
interesting result.  I know where you are coming from when you say it must be
something simple, (compared to your knowledge of OS9 you would rightfully
consider me a neophyte). Be that as it may, I generated a new system boot using
os9gen but replaced the init module with the init=/t2 module in the bootfile. 
I know the system did get to cc3go since it did run part of my startup file. 
My startup file has the following: link shell echo A string setime </1 date t
It echoed the " A string" on my /t2 terminal and ran setime but then locked up
after the enter key was depressed.  I know the shell had to be loaded because
the only two commands in my CMDS directory was link and shell. Echo is a merged
into the shell module file, (so is setime and date BTW). So what's so weird you
say?  The copyright notice message DID NOT appear on my CoCo3 screen or on the
/t2 terminal screen. In other words, the code that writes out the copyright
message in CC3Go, (and is executed before the forked shell that runs the
startup file!), didn't think my Coco screen or the /t2 terminal screen was the
standard out path. You still think its something simple?, why don't you try it
on your machine using the operating system code distributed by Tandy!  Thanks
for the suggestions, however, this problem is weird!!!  I'm still looking for
someone who has actually tried to delete cc3io, grfint and w..w7 descriptors
from their boot file and got it to work!

#: 7479 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-Oct-90  21:24:58
Sb: #7459-Reduced system memory
Fm: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev - I've experimented a little more and I was able to get the system to boot
up by including the "iniz t2" as the first line in my startup file. I will be
trying to eliminate grfint, cc3io, and the window descripters from the boot
file after I leave this message.  Will keep you posted.  When I renamed the t2
device descripter to term during one of my earlier attempts, I know I never did
a iniz on it.  Apparently, the system must some how lock the original term
descriptor in memory, (or add it to the device table)? I don't know enough
about the os9 system yet to know for sure.  Where the copyright message is
written or disappeared to is still a mystery to me.

#: 7485 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-Oct-90  22:11:34
Sb: #7459-#Reduced system memory
Fm: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev - Here is another update.  Getting tired of these yet <grin>?  Well, the
mystery of the copyright notice is solved.  I have a copy of CC3Go which I
eliminated the copyright notice from.  You guessed it, that is what I had in my
bootlist file for os9gen, (BTW If you have ever eaten crow, it doesn't taste so
good).  Well I edited the bootlist file which successfully ran the init=/t2
file. I eliminated the cc3io, grfint, and all of the window descripters (w..w7)
from the bootlist file and did another os9gen.  Guess what? It didn't work! 
Same results that I had previously. The OS9 BOOT message came on my coco3
screen and the disk drive just continued to run.  I'm going back and adding the
"w" device descripter and try this thing again.  I haven't gone crazy yet, but
it looks like the system doesn't like the above modules to be deleted.  Think I
will take them selectively out, one at a time, and see where I run into
trouble....
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#: 7509 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-Oct-90  02:45:30
Sb: #7485-#Reduced system memory
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102 (X)
Bill -
Well, sounds like you're getting closer, all right.  Still using that custom
cc3go, or did you dig out an old one?
When you managed to get it to boot to init=/t2 (with the window modules in the
boot), what did a procs and ddir (if you have that) show for active processes
and devices?   Bound to be a clue there, methinks.
Sorry that I haven't had the chance to try this out here yet... will as soon as
possible (except I think you'll figure something out very soon - fingers
crossed ;-).  Thx for updates.  best - kev
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#: 7534 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-Oct-90  18:49:14
Sb: #7509-#Reduced system memory
Fm: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev - I worked on it until late last night.  I have been able to get it to boot
with init=/t2 with all of the window descripters missing, the term descripter
missing and grfint module missing.  Whenever I removed cc3io, it failed to boot
up on /t2?  Why, I am not yet sure.  Maybe it is the BLOB. You must remember
that I bought my machine when they first came out and have not upgraded the
GIME or memory.  I did dumps on all the system modules that I could think of
searching for the ASCII text of cc3io to see if some module was calling for
this module.  The coco3 text screen does get some garbage on it when cc3io is
not present.  I will not give up.  I am going to figure out why!  Does the iniz
t2 command make any sense to you?  That is one of the questions I was going to
ask. I am also running shell ver 1.2. I have not scanned that to see if it is
in someone looking for cc3io.  I was able to gain another 2 8k blocks by
eliminating what I have done so far.  I will keep you posted and I am going to
learn about the operating system one way or another.....  Thanks for the help.
Oh, forgot to tell you about iniz t2. Before I started this crusade to boot up
on /t2 and eliminate all unecessary system modules I could put the iniz t2 into
the startup file and only have 40k left, (as reported by mfree).  If I then did
a deiniz t2 followed by an iniz t2, I could get the memory back up to 48k.  I
have procs and ddir. Procs should what you would expect, (ie t2 is the primary
paths for the immortal shell). ddir, ( in dutil3), doesn't show any extraneous
devices. Just CC3disk with its device descriptors and t2 with its aciapak
driver. The ddir upgraded by (?) does have extraneous info at the end.. Will
snatch copies and let you see.
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#: 7555 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-Oct-90  12:14:24
Sb: #7534-#Reduced system memory
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102 (X)
Reaching WAAAAAYY back, Kent Meyers did what you're doing to his Dragon (CC2
clone) computer. I think what he found was that there were interrupt hooks
pointing into (then) CCio to allow for interrupt based scan for keyboard input
(i.e. key down checking). This was required because the keyboard had no
interrupt ability on its own.
Perhaps things are the same here, and if you could find a way to stub off the
interrupt nesting, you'd be home free..
Pete
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#: 7566 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-Oct-90  18:46:52
Sb: #7555-#Reduced system memory
Fm: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Thanks Pete.  Guess I will have to disassemble all of the code if I can't
stumble on to the answer.
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#: 7596 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-Oct-90  09:51:38
Sb: #7566-Reduced system memory
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102 (X)
That'd probably help, or maybe just start by using some of the available tools
in DL9/DL10 to peek at the interrupt vectors, and see where they're all headed.
I hate to through any more weight on Kevin, but I know that he's _intimate_
with the code, as is Kent Meyers. Perhaps on or t'other can flesh out this
issue. Steve Wegert was funneling OS9 Forum info to Kent, so perhaps a note to
Steve will get Kent's attention.
Pete

#: 7617 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-Oct-90  22:54:16
Sb: #7566-Reduced system memory
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102
Bill - Pete/Kent/others had a good notion about the cc3io driver being in line
for interrupts, but as far as I can recall offhand, it only inserts a
replacement vector for one which normally points back to a "rts" in the Clock
module (which handles all interrupts on the coco).
Also, without it being iniz'd, it wouldn't do that anyway (cc3io, that is).
Therefore I kinda tend towards your BLOB theory for the moment.  I'm sure Kent
will come up with something tho <grin>>!

#: 7538 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-Oct-90  20:06:01
Sb: #7509-Reduced system memory
Fm: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Just read my last message.  I hope you can understand it.  I must be tired
since some of the words were not what I wanted to type.  I forgot to respond to
your question on CC3Go.  Yes, I dug out the original version and it did write
the copyright message to the /t2 terminal like it is supposed to do. I will
concentrate on trying to determine what the problem is.  If you find out that
cc3io is needed for some esoteric reason, please pass it along to the forum. 
Seems like I have been jumping to conclusions about the cause for this or that.
The conclusions I have reached so far are:
1) it seems like I need the statement iniz t2 in the startup file 2) it seems
like I need to keep cc3io in the os9boot file. 3) I'm not sure my conclusion
are right, but they are what I have observed.
I will be making the assumption that I have a blob problem and start to
rearrange the order of the modules in the bootlist file in the hopes of
deleting the cc3io module.  I will also be experimenting with adding back the
term descripter, except it will have aciapak as its driver.  Then I will sit
back and THINK about the results I have obtained.  If you get the time, I would
be interested in hearing about the results you obtained with your hardware,
however, I know that you are busy and I am not expecting you to do this for me.
Sometimes it is frustrating to track down problems when you don't know how the
system is supposed to work <grin>...... Thanks for your time.  Regards, Bill

#: 7364 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    14-Oct-90  19:10:13
Sb: #CoCo on sale
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: All
Looks like some messages I've seen here and there are true.  Today I wandered
by a local Radio Shack, and the CoCo was on sale for $99.95, and CM-8s for
under $200.
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#: 7367 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    14-Oct-90  21:38:29
Sb: #7364-CoCo on sale
Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Yep, and drive 0 is on the disco'd list since last August altho drive 1 is
still on the active list.   -ph- 

#: 7373 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Oct-90  00:23:29
Sb: #7364-#CoCo on sale
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Hmmm...  Would this be a good inexpensive way to try out OS-9?  How much
hardware/software would I need to add to the $99 machine before I'd have a
usable OS-9 system with a hard disk?
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#: 7377 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Oct-90  06:45:13
Sb: #7373-#CoCo on sale
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)
Let's see...I'd seriously recommend 512K; those are going for not much $$$
these days.  I think that the Disto hardware is probably the least expensive
way to get the I/O--someone who knows more about Disto hardware than I do will
have to fill in the gaps in my information, I fear.
(BTW, are you David Betz as in Xlisp/Xscheme?)
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#: 7378 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Oct-90  08:20:09
Sb: #7377-#CoCo on sale
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Thanks for your comments.  Would it be reasonable to go the CoCo route or would
I be better off (and cheaper off) trying one of the new systems like the MM/1
or the TOMCAT?
(And, yes, I am the author of XLISP/XScheme/AdvSys/...)
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#: 7386 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Oct-90  13:15:01
Sb: #7378-#CoCo on sale
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)
David - there's also a number of CoCo systems for sale these days... often at
very good prices including everything you need to get going.
There might be some over in COCO forum... also, I think CoCoPRO! buys and sells
used Coco systems.  (guys?  what's their phone/BBS number??) Wait. I think
their BBS # is 313-663-6207.  Some ads there.
I'll also keep an eye out. I've seen some great deals lately but ignored them.
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#: 7387 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Oct-90  13:23:11
Sb: #7386-CoCo on sale
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Thanks.  I'll try the BBS and the COCO forum.

#: 7401 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Oct-90  23:12:39
Sb: #7386-CoCo on sale
Fm: Dave Myers 71750,210
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Our phone is 313-481-DAVE (3283). Thanks for the referral, Kev!
   Dave Myers CoCoPRO! Products

#: 7389 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Oct-90  19:39:32
Sb: #7378-#CoCo on sale
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)
Well...I'd give serious thought to an MM/1.  (In this case, particularly
because starting at maybe 1.4, XLisp really doesn't fit too well in a single
64K address space. :-)
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#: 7392 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Oct-90  21:16:31
Sb: #7389-#CoCo on sale
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Actually, I'd be more likely to try to port XScheme.  It might be possible to
make it fit by removing a bunch of its internal functions.  On the other hand,
the 68K address space would be much nicer.  I've always sort of liked the 6809
though (ever since I bought a 6809 board for my old SWTP-6800). Unfortunately,
I've never had a chance to do much programming on it.  You might be interested
to know that the first LISP interpreter that I wrote was written in 6800
assembly language for the SWTP-6800.
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#: 7394 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Oct-90  22:11:43
Sb: #7392-#CoCo on sale
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)
No kidding?  That's neat.  I agree, the 6809's design is quite nice.  (Too bad
folks at BYTE never seemed to notice that...but that's another story.)
I ported XLisp 1.2 to OS-9/6809 (only problem was that Microware's 6809 C
compiler differed from others with respect to the relative binding of type
modifications on typedefs, and 1.2 has a pointer to jmp_buf); firing up XLisp
on the 68020 I have Kermit talking to in another window shows that it claims to
be version 1.6, and I think someone may have ported some version of XScheme to
OS-9/68000.  SIOD (Scheme In One DEFUN) came right up on the 68000, and
compiled right up on the 6809, but barfs immediately when I tried to run it on
my CoCo for reasons I have yet to discover.
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#: 7412 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-Oct-90  08:07:38
Sb: #7394-#CoCo on sale
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
I think that SIOD trys to allocate lots of memory when it starts up.  You might
try giving it a command line switch to tell it to use a smaller heap. Sorry,
but I'm not sure what the syntax for the switch is, but I think there is such a
thing.
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#: 7432 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-Oct-90  18:28:11
Sb: #7412-CoCo on sale
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)
No problem--the hint is enough of a place to start.  Thanks!

#: 7427 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-Oct-90  18:01:38
Sb: #7378-#CoCo on sale
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)
Well, if you want to go the CoCo route, you can get a 512k upgrade from us at
IMS for darn cheap. If you go MM/1, then we can offer financing and a
screaming, FCC certified machine (in about two weeks).
Either way, you should have some fun!
Paul
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#: 7454 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-Oct-90  23:19:45
Sb: #7427-CoCo on sale
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
Well, of course I'd rather go the MM/1 route (or maybe the TOMCAT).  I'll
decide once I get your literature in the mail.  I didn't know you offered
financing.  That's a nice option, although your prices seem pretty affordable
anyway.

#: 7393 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Oct-90  22:10:16
Sb: #TERMINAL PROGRAM HELP
Fm: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137
To: SYSOP (X)
I am an extremely new OS-9 user. I have no terminal program that I can get to
work under OS-9. My access to compuserve is under RS-Dos with Mikeyterm as a
terminal program. I don't have a true RS232 port. My modem and Mikeyterm work
through the bitbanger serial I/O. I found a program in the COCO forum that lets
me read RS-DOS files under OS-9. I have downloaded several files from both the
COCO forum and this forum, but althoug
 I can read the files, I can't get the modules to load and run under OS-9. I
suspect that Mikeyterm inserts line feeds at the end of each line. Could that
be part of my problem? My other question is, is there a device
driver/descriptor (T1?) that will work with level 1 if I can get a terminal
program up and running? Also, what would be the best terminal program in this
database to use with level 1? Any and all help will be greatly appreciated!
                                    Bruce
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#: 7407 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-Oct-90  00:20:59
Sb: #7393-TERMINAL PROGRAM HELP
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137
Hi Bruce - new users always welcome!
I think you'll find /t1 drivers to be rather unpleasant under OS-9.  There may
still be a partial solution around... I'll look... which was called a
"FIRQ-driven" modification.  Requires one wire jumpered on your bitbanger
connector.  But otherwise a real serial port is almost a must.
Regarding the files you downloaded... tell us what they were.  If you could
actually read them (as in "list" them), then they were likely to be source code
and can't be executed without first assembling them into 6809 binary.
If they were binary files (unreadable junk), then they may have also been AR'd
(archived - if the filename here ended in .ar, then they were).  We'll get to
that if/when need be.
If they were binary files but simply OS9 commands ready to run, then you need
to do two things:
 1. Copy the file from the RSDOS/"OS9" disk to a real OS9 disk.
 2. Set the execution permissions on the file:
      attr filename e pe w
That way, OS9 will allow you to load (and delete) the file.  Substitute the
pathname of the file for "filename" above, of course.  Like: "attr /d1/dmode e
pe w", for example.  Don't worry, you'll find all this quite natural sooner
than you think.  Just tell us the filenames for now. best - kev

#: 7410 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-Oct-90  05:01:11
Sb: #TC09 "virtual machine"
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 (X)
Hiya!  It was nice to actually see you in person at CoCoFest.  I have to ask,
though, about the new "virtual machine" stuff that is intended to let the TC09
run non-OS-9 CoCo software.  I was happy to hear that OS-9 device drivers
wouldn't have to go through that rigamarole, but trying to infer what a CoCo
*would have* read from a particular memory-mapped I/O address sounds like it
would take some time to puzzle out, and it's kind of a bummer to me to see the
TC09 delayed (will it be made more expensive by the added code or hardware
needed to do this?) by something I will never use.  Any chance you could upload
an updated description of the TC09?
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#: 7452 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-Oct-90  22:38:33
Sb: #7410-#TC09 "virtual machine"
Fm: Frank Hogg 70310,317
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
The virtual machine part of the TC9 in its simplest form actually saves us
money because we can now boot stock OS9 and then modify it after. Without this
capability we would have had to somehow provided a way for you to get up and
running OS9. This would be no problem for those with a CoCo3 that they could
use but what about those without. Anyway the virtual machine hardware was
swapped in essence for the 25% speedup. The cost to the user is carried by FHL.
The other advantage is that the virtual machine can be used to test hardware
that doesn't exist yet. ie: you could use the VM to test possible hardware etc.
I'm getting lost trying to explane this online so I will refrain from doing so
for now. I plan to upload a series of tech notes on this and other developments
as soon as both machines (TC9 and TC70) are fully up and running. I think that
there has been too much said about hardware that does not exist in production
form and that that may confuse the readers. So... when, in a week or so, we
have both machines fully up and in production I will upload lots of detailed
info and all specs.
(PS Just reread your note and I forgot to answer these questions. No it will
not delay the TC9. The VM is disabled on reset and would not interfere with any
software. (Stock Apps. would use it until/if modified for the TC9 hardware)
Hope that holds you for now, please be patient for the rest of the info.
BTW it was nice to see you and all the other guys that I have only talked to on
the phone before. It was also nice to renew old friendships. I think that is
the thing I like most about these shows, we should do them for that if for no
other reason.
Frank
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#: 7458 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-Oct-90  03:25:43
Sb: #7452-TC09 "virtual machine"
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 (X)
Thanks for the info.  I guess the only thing that I wonder about is your
mentioning the swap for the speedup--but I will hold off pending your upload;
goodness knows you are pretty busy these days.
Big 10-4 about meeting new and old faces.

#: 7462 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-Oct-90  08:36:21
Sb: #FD501 controller
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: all
Will the Tandy 501 disk controller work with OS-9 Level II?  For that matter,
what is the difference between the 501 and the 502?  It seems that I've got a
501 controller laying around that I could use with a CoCo3 and I'm wondering if
that would make a decent controller for OS-9. Also, what kind of disk drives
would I need to buy for it?
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#: 7475 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-Oct-90  20:44:04
Sb: #7462-#FD501 controller
Fm: Randy Wilson 71561,756
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)
    David,
    The FD-501 should work fine with the CoCo3 and OS9/L2. It can use any
standard drive except the hi-cap 1.2 and 1.44s. 40 track, 80 track, single or
double sided, 5.25 or 3.5; it doesn't care. Just hammer together an
approperiate(sp?) cable and use the proper descriptors. The only thing to watch
is that the original OS9 disks are 5.25 48tpi (formatted to 35 track, single
sided), so a 360K 5.25 drive might be the best bet. BTW, the controller can
handle up to three double sided drives of any mix.
    The major difference between the FD-501 and the FD-502 is in the drive. The
501 had a 40 track single sided, and the 502 has a double sided drive.
Randy
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#: 7488 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-Oct-90  22:23:09
Sb: #7475-#FD501 controller
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: Randy Wilson 71561,756 (X)
Thanks!  I might even have an old 360K drive kicking around somewhere. Sounds
like playing with OS-9 might not cost more that a few hundred dollars.  Are
there any PD languages available like C or an assembler? I assume that the
standard OS-9 kit from RS doesn't include either.
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#: 7490 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-Oct-90  22:25:43
Sb: #7488-#FD501 controller
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)
CoCo OS-9/6809 Level Two doesn't include C or assembler, though it does include
BASIC09.  CoCo OS-9/6809 Level One does include an assembler, but not BASIC09.
For that matter, Steve Childress's macro assembler for OS-9/6809 is, I think,
in one of the DLs.
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#: 7493 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-Oct-90  22:32:52
Sb: #7490-FD501 controller
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
A macro assembler would be fine.  This is beginning to look like a real
possiblity.  Of course, I'd rather have one of the new TOMCAT boards, but the
CoCo might be an interesting way to get started.  Thanks for your help.

#: 7468 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-Oct-90  16:25:27
Sb: #Hard Disk Defrag
Fm: J SILLIMAN 72355,1207
To: all
   Hey all, got a small problem with my 20meg hd.  I am running a bbs on the
system and I seem to be running into a bit of a fragmentation problem.  I have
tried the File System Repack, and found it to corrupt files and takes WAY too
long for my likeing.  Is there any other programs out in the PD or commertial
areas that will repack the drive faster, and more reliably?  Hope to hear from
someone!!!
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#: 7470 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-Oct-90  18:41:28
Sb: #7468-Hard Disk Defrag
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: J SILLIMAN 72355,1207
J -
Best bet is simple, but laborious:
1. backup the disk (use HDKIT, or equivalent)
2. format the drive again (logical is okay, but why not take the opportunity
   to freshly write track and sector headers).
3. restore the drive (again, HDKIT or equivalent).
Pete

#: 7480 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-Oct-90  21:45:15
Sb: #1 Meg Upgrade
Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin,
  Well, I jumped from partial success with DM3 right over to MV,  rechecked
everything and got the same results- lockup or OS9 boot failed after the
Microware logo.  Then I remembered your suggestion as to why DM3 was locking up
(btw. that's R22).  I removed the jumper and replaced it with a 150ohm resistor
(in parallel with r22 gives about 66ohms).  voila.  MV is running! but with one
problem... I found out what changing MEM=  to 1024:  you can <CLEAR> key to the
first OS9 shell you make but you can't go anywhere else; yer stuck.
  So back to MEM=512 and all seems to be well.  I'll bet DM3 doesn't lock up
any more either when I can get back to it.
  Btw. had to add RS's 12dc fan to keep the new chips from freaking out from
overheating. Located it against the rf modulator with some foam tape and
modelers' support struts.  Seems to be doing the job altho it hasn't had a
really good work out yet.
  Thanks to all on the forum for enough support to keep me going.   Looks like
the main problem was not putting both new patches into the software
straightaway instead of experimenting around.  Well, I did learn from it and
that's what it's all about.   -ph-
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#: 7508 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-Oct-90  02:40:03
Sb: #7480-1 Meg Upgrade
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X)
Good news so far!  Kudos for not giving up <grin>.  Hope you're rolling along
fine now. best - kev

#: 7516 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-Oct-90  10:10:48
Sb: #1-meg upgrade
Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403
To: Kevin Darling, 76703,4227 (X)
Worked with MV a bit more and found a limitation in the number of windows one
can make. It seems that window memory is maxed out at 512k. This allowed up to
6 or 7 os9 shells while still having over 400k MFREE.  Knowing also that we can
not change the env.file's MEM=  at this time, I guess we're left with regular
OS9 if we need more windows, right?  But I'll bet someone is working on a fix
for this.  (right again mebbe?)    -ph-
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#: 7528 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-Oct-90  16:29:34
Sb: #7516-#1-meg upgrade
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X)
Paul - I wasn't aware of any limitation with gshell that way.  The 1-meg
software will use all the memory for video if need be.
Hmmm.  Perhaps gshell counts up window memory sizes?
In any case, you should be able to open windows yourself and use up more of
that memory for video, if you wish.  Oh, and you have more than just w1-w7 in
memory, right?  (that is, you also have w8-15?)   Not having more descs would
certainly stop gshell.
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#: 7552 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-Oct-90  07:55:08
Sb: #7528-#1-meg upgrade
Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Yes, descriptors 1 thru 12 get loaded in booting up but I'm not able to use
more than 6 or 7 with either MV or OS9.  Now I'm getting error 237 a lot,
sometimes can't even do DIR. 
  When using MV to put more than one small window on the same
screen, sometimes it works, most often the cursor skips over the screen where
the smaller one was created and you don't get a choice.  (?).   -ph-   
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#: 7556 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-Oct-90  13:28:18
Sb: #7552-1-meg upgrade
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X)
If an aif indicates a certain minimum size which is too big to fit anywhere
else, then gshell would skip screens where it wouldn't fit.  Might be that.
Yes, error 237 (system 64K map full) will probably hit you long before an error
207 (all ram blocks used up everywhere).  Path and process descriptors along
with device memory usage, will fill up the system map when you get many things
going at once.  My util SMap will show you this going on.
That is caused partly also by the size of our system map gfx modules: cc3io and
windint... along with all the other drivers/etc we all usually boot up with. 
Hard to get around without leaving some out.

#: 7520 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-Oct-90  12:26:10
Sb: #CoCo disk drivers, etc.
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: all
Well, I'm now the proud owner of OS-9 Level II for the CoCo3! Unfortunately, I
don't own a machine to run it on yet.  I've been looking through the manual
though and have a few questions.  The section on "Customizing Your System"
describes the various devices that you can configure into your system.  It
seems to allow either a 35 track single sided D0 or a 40 track double sided
one, but not an 80 track double sided one.  Is it possible to make D0 a 720K
3.5 inch drive?  I know that I'd have to have a 5.25 inch drive to start with
in order to read the distribution disks, but is there a way to switch over to a
720K drive as D0?  Also, there isn't an entry for D3_80D.  Can I have four 720K
drives on my system?
I've got the FD501 disk controller from RS.  How many drives will it support? 
Will it support 720K drives?
One last question.  I've got a 9 inch monochrome composite monitor. Will that
produce an acceptable 80 column display?
Thanks in advance for any answers.
David Betz
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#: 7524 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-Oct-90  16:05:56
Sb: #7520-#CoCo disk drivers, etc.
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)
You can create device descriptors pretty easily by copying a similar one and
changing it as necessary with a disk zapper program like dEd. You can have /d0
as a 3.5" 720K. You cannot have four ds devices with the 501. You can use 720K
DS drives with the 501. The 501 can only support up to 3 DS drives any mix,
40-5.25, 80-5.25, 80-3.5. The 9" should look OK, I have a 10.5(?) "Magnavox
Computer Monitor 80" which looks pretty decent.
Zack
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#: 7526 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-Oct-90  16:19:46
Sb: #7524-CoCo disk drivers, etc.
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Thanks!

#: 7521 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-Oct-90  12:28:53
Sb: #C Compiler compatability
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: all
I've got an old copy of the OS-9 C compiler that originally run under OS-9
Level 1.  Will it run under Level 2?  Also, will the assembler that came with
OS-9 Level 1 work with Level 2?
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#: 7525 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-Oct-90  16:07:33
Sb: #7521-#C Compiler compatability
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)
Yes it wil work just fine under level 2, and the c.asm will work fine, too. I
am assuming the Compiler you have is the same one currently sold by Tandy,
there never was a special "Level 2" version released.
Zack
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#: 7527 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-Oct-90  16:20:34
Sb: #7525-C Compiler compatability
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Yes, it is the Tandy compiler (shrink wrapped and everything!). Thanks!

#: 7523 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-Oct-90  14:17:20
Sb: #SCSI interface?
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: all
Does anyone know of a CoCo hard disk interface that will support SCSI drives? 
Ideally, I'd like to find a combination floppy/hard disk interface.
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#: 7529 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-Oct-90  16:35:24
Sb: #7523-#SCSI interface?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)
David -
Yes, there are several coco SCSI (actually, mostly SASI) interfaces.
Ignoring sasi/scsi controller boards that also support floppies, there are also
two coco-specific floppy/hard-disk combo paks:  the Eliminator from FHL and the
Disto line of floppy/add-on cards (which fit inside their floppy controller
pak).
I would urge you to try to find a copy of Rainbow magazine at a mag store
(Dalton's, Waldenbooks too, perhaps) and check out the ads.
Oh, and the Eliminator and Disto paks can be had with serial ports, clocks,
parallel ports etc also... or are included.
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#: 7543 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-Oct-90  22:23:11
Sb: #7529-#SCSI interface?
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Thanks for the advice.  I looked at a copy of Rainbow that a local RS store had
and found the number for a company called CRC that sells Disto controllers.
Apparently, they are now running a sale.  I can get their model II controller
with a hard disk interface and an RS232 port for around $155.  This controller
claims to be able to run floppy drives at full speed without slowing down
keyboard response.  Sounds pretty good to me, although I may just wait and
pickup one of the TC9 boards when they come out.  I just wish I could get one
right now (I'm not impatient, am I? :-)
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#: 7545 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-Oct-90  22:54:39
Sb: #7543-SCSI interface?
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)
There at least used to be an outfit called RGB (RGB Systems?) that sold, or
sells if it's still around, SCSI interfaces for the CoCo.

#: 7582 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-Oct-90  23:35:47
Sb: #7523-SCSI interface?
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)
Dave,
I think a company called Performance Peripherals is still alive and kicking
with what I hear is a super SCSI implementation for the CoCo! I betcha someone
here knows the scoop!
Let me know what you learn.
Paul

#: 7557 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-Oct-90  13:47:37
Sb: #1 meg upgrade
Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403
To: Kevin Darling
I tried to expand the capacity of the ram driver  ram.8k using DMODE  /r0 
cyl=023 ;  INIZ /r0 FREE /r0  showed over 1100 sectors   but DIR  gave error
214 (or was it 216?)
  Couldn't copy anything to /r0 after increasing cylinders.   -ph-
  Re previous message:  so if I don't fill up the 64k work space, then more
than 6-7 full screen windows should be possible?   And up to a maximum of 15?
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#: 7558 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-Oct-90  15:23:35
Sb: #7557-#1 meg upgrade
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X)
Paul - not sure. Which ram driver?
Also, be sure to chd/chx away from the ramdisk before messing with it.
Otherwise just "dir" might be confused (as what it had been chd'd to is no
longer around - chd goes by sector and device, not by names).
Right, as long as the system (kernel, driver, managers, and so on) 64K doesn't
get filled up, you can keep adding processes and windows.  The actual maximum
window count is 32, but overlay windows (menus are also oops no they're not
-sorry) count towards that maximum, so 16 (term and w1-5) seems like a fair
limit.
PS: you're doing fine. Could I get you to keep these msgs in section 10 (coco)
tho?  Thanks! - kev
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#: 7594 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-Oct-90  07:45:51
Sb: #7558-#1 meg upgrade
Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin,  the ram driver is Ken Drexler's adaptation of your rammer developed for
4k block machines, but containing an 8k version largely untested.  I believe it
was called  RAMDISK.AR   or  RAMDRIVE.AR.   Forgot which library it's in. 
Instead of pursuing this farther, due to time contraints, I believe I'll wait
for the release of Microcom's ramdrive for the 1 meg upgrade.   Any way to
determine unused system memory, or sys-memory used?   -ph-
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#: 7618 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-Oct-90  22:56:30
Sb: #7594-1 meg upgrade
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X)
Yes, get UTIL2.BIN, UTIL3.BIN (more utils plus replacements for some in UTIL2)
and UTIL2.DOC... in there is SMap, which will show you system memory space, and
the other utils like PMap will help you visualize different maps. The docs are
super bare, so yell if you can't figure out what you see <grin>!

#: 7559 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-Oct-90  15:32:56
Sb: #FD501 cable
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: all
Well, it seems that I've got a working FD501 interface.  Now I need a cable to
attach it to my floppy drive(s).  Will a straight ribbon cable with the
appropriate connectors work or do I need something a little more exotic?
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#: 7560 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-Oct-90  17:24:26
Sb: #7559-#FD501 cable
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)
David -
Tandy, in their questionable wisdom, used special cables. There's a workaraound
though....
The Tandy drives have all the select lines set to ON. Then, they remove all but
1 drive select pin from the edge connector at each point on the ribbon cable.
This way, the drive # is a function of where it is placed on the ribbon cable.
Example: the drive 0 connector (on the Tandy cable) would have pin 10 hooked
up, but not pin 12, 14, or (32 or 34?)...
The workaround is get a cable with all 34 pins connected, and just disable the
jumpers on the disk drive for drive selects that aren't wanted.
Pete
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#: 7561 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-Oct-90  17:34:17
Sb: #7560-FD501 cable
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
That sounds pretty straight forward.  Thanks for the info.
David

#: 7565 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-Oct-90  18:10:41
Sb: #7559-#FD501 cable
Fm: Randy Wilson 71561,756
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)
David,
    If I'm assuming correctly, you do NOT have the Tandy drives, just the
controller. In this case, just make a ribbon cable with all the pins passed
straight through, set the drive select jumpers on the drives, and go. Oh, if
provided, set the motor-on and head solinoid to follow the motor-on line, not
the select line.
    To answer some of your other (and coming) questions, you have three options
that I can think of off hand. The builtin "serial" port (called the bit-banger)
is useless for telcom under OS9 (details upon request). One is the Disto Super
Controller 2 with the 4-in-1 board. This will give you a serial, parallel,
hardware clock, SCSI port, and a "no-halt" (read sector cacheing) floppy
controller. The second option is the Eliminator. This has two serials, a
parallel, RTC, and interfaces to an external controller (forgot which one,
check FHL's ad in Rainbow) for a floppy and 506/412 HD controller. The third is
to wait for a TomCat or other to grace your desk.
    There are other ways to add all the needed periphrials, but most(all?) of
the rest would require an external bus expansion thingie, which makes things
more expensive, and a whole bunch uglier. Study the ads in a Rainbow, and ask
away.
Randy
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#: 7567 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-Oct-90  19:14:01
Sb: #7565-FD501 cable
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: Randy Wilson 71561,756 (X)
Thanks, Randy.  Right now, I think I'm going to stick with the FD501 and a 360K
drive and maybe two 720K drives.  I've managed to piece together a copy of OS-9
(on sale at RS), the C compiler (had that from the last time I tried to put
together a CoCo system) and the FD501.  All I need now is the CoCo3 itself and
some drives.  I've already got a PC power supply that will power the drives. 
The setup will be *very* ugly since the drives won't be mounted in a case, but
I suppose it will work.
Thanks again, David

#: 7562 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-Oct-90  17:38:44
Sb: #software survey
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: all
Now that I seem to be on my way into the CoCo3 OS-9 world, I'm starting to
wonder what sorts of other people use this system. What sorts of applications
do people here use OS-9 for?  Are many of you developers?  What sorts of
software are you developing? What kinds of software are you looking for that
you can't find in the stuff that's already available?
Right now, I'd like to find a program that runs on the CoCo and will ready 360K
MS-DOS disks to make it easier to move stuff between my 386SX machine and the
CoCo.  Actually, a program that ran under MS-DOS that could read/write OS-9
disks would be fine also.  Has the directory structure of an CoCo OS-9 disk
been published?
David Betz
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#: 7586 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-Oct-90  01:11:52
Sb: #7562-#software survey
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)
Well...I use my CoCo for modeming, as a terminal to my 68020 box, to edit text,
and to play music.  I also do some programming, though it seems that a lot of
the time I wind up modifying code rather than writing it.
What I'd like to see on the CoCo is a reasonable desktop publishing program,
sort of what Home Publisher should have been.  A program that does something
like SoftCraft's Fancy Fonts would be very nice, too.
As for dealing with MS-DOS format stuff, you have several alternatives.  I
think that at least one of them lives in DL10 here.  D.P. Johnson sells what is
from the OS-9 point of view the most elegant solution, namely a file manager
that handles MS-DOS format disks.  (It requires his device driver, SDISK3.)
Another outfit, Granite Computer Systems (I may not have that name right!),
sells some programs that manipulate MS-DOS disks.  (It might require SDISK3,
too; I'm not sure about that.)
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#: 7592 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-Oct-90  07:02:24
Sb: #7586-software survey
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Thanks for your comments.  I'll take a look in DL10 for the MS-DOS handling
stuff.

#: 7581 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-Oct-90  23:29:50
Sb: #hard drive
Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
To:  72240,304
Chris:
I have decided on the hard drive. What I need to do now is decide on which one
to go with. I am well aware of the popularity of your unit, and am giving it
much consideration. What I would like to know from you is will the CoCo XT work
with the Disto stuff I'm now using?
My system as of now consists of:
     CoCo 3 with Disto 512K upgradec     Disto Super Controller I
     Disto 3in1 board. (RS232,RTC,Parallel port)
     Bob Puppo's keyboard interface
I have a Tandy MPI, but don't use it at this time. I know it will be used with
the CoCo XT. BU, would there be an addressing problem in using the XT with the
3in1 board? This stuff isn't really my bag, but it appears that the 3in1 is
memory mapped from $FF51 through $FF57.
Maybe this stuff has already bben worked out, maybe there never was a problem,
eather way, I'd sure like your input. By the way I run under OS-9 exclusivly.
Also is the patch for ccheck somewhere on here?
     >Lute<
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#: 7591 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-Oct-90  06:59:44
Sb: #7581-#hard drive
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)
Why not just trade in your 3in1 interface for a 4in1 from Disto and use a SCSI
hard disk?  That way you won't have to clutter up your desk with the MPI.
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#: 7630 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-Oct-90  16:06:57
Sb: #7591-hard drive
Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
To: David Betz 76704,47
I would if it were only that easy. Not many coco people around here, so it's
not real easy to get rid of things like a 3in1. However that was my very first
idea.
        >Lute<

#: 7593 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-Oct-90  07:45:08
Sb: #chips for 512K upgrades
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: all
What kind of memory chips do the 512K CoCo upgrades require?  I've got a bunch
of 41256-12 chips laying around.  Is there an upgrade that they will fit into? 
I assume it would be cheaper to buy just the board and plug in the chips
myself.
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#: 7604 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-Oct-90  13:22:08
Sb: #7593-chips for 512K upgrades
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)
Disto, and perhaps others, sell 512K boards with no RAM for those who want to
supply their own.  I don't know what chips would go in them, so I don't know
whether the 41256-12 chips you have will work.

#: 7614 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-Oct-90  22:45:39
Sb: #7593-#chips for 512K upgrades
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)
Dave - I'm pretty sure 41256-12's will work just fine.  Sounds like the correct
chip number to me (and 120ns is perfect).
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#: 7620 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-Oct-90  23:34:15
Sb: #7614-chips for 512K upgrades
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Thanks.  I guess I just need an unpopulated board then.  I'm getting close to
having a working system.  Thanks for your help.

#: 7637 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-Oct-90  20:39:11
Sb: #7617-Reduced system memory
Fm: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Thanks Kev,  I have not been able to get a bootable disk with cc3io missing
from os9boot.  I have been able to get a bootable disk without iniz t2 in the
startup file.  I will get back with you on that.  You may have an answer on the
top of your head.  I think that I will start spending the time and do a
dissassembly of the code.  I am looking at cc3io now.  Using idir, after boot
up, I don't see the cc3io driver loaded but I would not discount that it is
being used some where and then terminated.  It is strange!  If I turn off the
computer and try to boot without cc3io present in os9boot, it will just keep
the disk drive spinning and IT WILL NOT LOAD the entire system.  I am guessing
this from the activity of the disk drive.  If I boot up with a good system,
then try to reboot with the disk without cc3io in the boot file I will get the
message BOOT FAILED on my coco3 screen.  Interesting...  Has anyone in' the
forum had a chance to try this?  I still can't figure it out.  If someone has
been successful, then I know something else is astray.

#: 7819 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    27-Oct-90  23:27:45
Sb: #7395-#Reduced system memory
Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
To: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102 (X)
~ Bill,
I have made a bootdisk that booted on /t2 instead of /term. All I did was
change the INIT module to look for /t2 instead of /term (setting the high bit
on the "2" in T2) and when booting OS9 BOOT shows on the CoCo Screen and the
whole copyright message and everything from then on is on the terminal. I did
not delete any module  from the bootfile. You could remove the windows and
 /term and maybe GrfInt but you cannot remove cc3io. Since you trying to do
this to conserve memory it will not help. OS9 Level II grabs a whole 64K area
for the system modules and its own stuff. Deleting these modules will not
increase your memory. By booting on a terminal you do eliminate loading of
grfdrv which does not occupy the system RAM space. Shell also cannot be put in
the system ram. I have tried putting grfdrv in the bootfile and it won't take
it. I have not tried doing that to shell.
You have the right idea and does work for Level I but not for Level II. wit.
booting on /t2 with your boot as-is (except INIT to boot to /t2) you will have
56K of memory left (provided shell is 8K only and you do not load anything
else) thats enough for the C compiler. However I do agroe with Kevin, 512K is
the best option and nowadays its not as expensive and will yield benefits (like
being able to load all the Compilers modules into memory for speed)
Mike
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#: 7900 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    29-Oct-90  20:08:30
Sb: #7819-#Reduced system memory
Fm: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102
To: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715 (X)
Mike, thanks for the response.  Do you have any idea why you can't eliminate
cc3io from the boot file in level 2? So far, I have not been able to eliminate
it, but I don't know WHY?  You said that OS9 level 2 grabs 64k bytes for the
system.  I think you may want to go back and rethink this.  Based on my
observation it is not true.  I have been able to get mfree to report 64K bytes
free when I changed INIT to point to /t2 and I have a merged shell file almost
equal to 8K bytes.  I agree that 56K is enough to run the C Compiler and also
that the memory upgrade is the way to go.  My problem is more retorical now.
Why is cc3io required???
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#: 7930 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Nov-90  00:48:35
Sb: #7900-#Reduced system memory
Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
To: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102 (X)
cc3io handles signals and irq's in and out of the system. (Kevin can verify
this) i dunno how you get 64K free unless shell is in the bootfile. but you
will never get more then 64K on a 128K system.
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#: 7944 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    02-Nov-90  22:50:04
Sb: #7930-#Reduced system memory
Fm: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102
To: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
Nope, Kevin can't verify why cc3io is necessary.  He told me just the opposite,
he can't understand why it would be necessary if I defined /t2 as the initial
standard path string in the init module.  My shell file is not loaded as part
of the boot file.  This should clarify your question/comment.  Based on the
output of dirm, it appears that I might be able to squeak out one more 8K block
and end up with a free memory of 72K.  I am curious why you thought/(think) the
system automatically takes up 64k?  I am also curious about why you think that
64K bytes is the maximum memory obtainable with a 128K byte CoCo3?  Mike, your
name is familiar to me, therefore I believe that you have been a long time
contributor to this forum, and have also probably uploaded files to the data
base.  If you think that I am discounting what you have said,  I'm not.  It
just doesn't jive with my observations.  I am not positive that I can get
another 8K blocks if I eliminate cc3io, but it sure looks that way to me at the
moment.  Kevin appears to be extremely busy and has not been able to follow
through on my question. Since you have already made a boot file with /t2
defined as the initial path in init, do you think you would have time to
experiment and confirm my observation?, (ie. see if you can get a bootable disk
with cc3io missing from the os9boot module).  Thanks for your time and
response.
For other forum members with Tandy documentation reading this message, be
forewarned.  The diagram for the INIT Module, (pg 159 in level 1 blue book and
page A-3 under the Technical Reference tab in the level 2 documentation), is
incorrect. They forgot to put in the offset to the initial path in the diagram.
It properly belongs at an offset of $12-$13 where the offset to Bootstrap
module name string is shown. The proper offset to the bootstrap name should be
$14-$15 and the Name strings at $16-n. I don't remember anyone mentioning this
documentation error.
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#: 7945 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    02-Nov-90  23:05:10
Sb: #7944-#Reduced system memory
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102 (X)
Bill - btw, try this too:  use dEd or similar to change the internal module
name of CC3IO to something bogus... like "XC3IO".  If it's still required for
booting to /t2, then it _must_ be the BLOB doing a dance on ya <grin>.  Cuz OS9
wouldn't be able to find "cc3io", of course.
Nope, haven't had a chance to try it here yet.  Couldn't even find my modules
disk, it's been so long since I made a coco boot!  Yikes.
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#: 7966 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Nov-90  14:37:44
Sb: #7945-Reduced system memory
Fm: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
I'll try it Kevin, but I haven't been able to see where this module is called
from the system!

#: 7660 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-Oct-90  16:13:35
Sb: #Adding a 2nd drive
Fm: Ken St.Clair 71615,267
To: All
Can anyone tell me what I would need to do to add a 3 1/2" 720K floppy to my
FD-502 (which brand drive, cable changes, power requirements)???  My FD-502
currently has only one 5 1/4" drive in it.  I'm fairly certain I could handle
the S/W configuration (OS-9 L2) but I'd like to know more about what needs to
be done H/W wise.   Thanks.
                                Ken.
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#: 7667 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-Oct-90  19:42:43
Sb: #7660-#Adding a 2nd drive
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Ken St.Clair 71615,267 (X)
Ken,
I did the same thing you're trying to do with the3.5 drive. It wasn't too big a
deal. A 5.25 mounting bracket made it a snap.
Take a peek at TINYDR.TXT in LIB 2 and see if that doesn't answer your
questions.
Steve
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#: 7709 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    23-Oct-90  22:12:09
Sb: #7667-#Adding a 2nd drive
Fm: Ken St.Clair 71615,267
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
Thanks Steve!  That was exactly the info I was looking for!
                           Ken
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#: 7718 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    24-Oct-90  06:54:17
Sb: #7709-Adding a 2nd drive
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Ken St.Clair 71615,267 (X)
As I recall ... using the 5.25 adapter, all the wiring info is taken care of
for you. I just used it to double check things.
Give a holler if you find yourself in trouble.
Steve

#: 7663 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-Oct-90  16:51:14
Sb: #OS/9 Auto Boot on COCO3
Fm: joe novosel 76220,1270
To: all
I am looking for a way to auto boot os/9 on a coco 3 on power up. I have no
need to retain RS-DOS.  A rom to put in my disk controler would be ideal
thanks, Joe Novosel
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#: 7664 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-Oct-90  17:15:21
Sb: #7663-OS/9 Auto Boot on COCO3
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: joe novosel 76220,1270 (X)
Joe -
I used to sell an autoboot EPROM a while back. Still have the images (EPROM).
Let me know if you're interested, and I'll send you the scoop via Email.
Pete

#: 7682 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-Oct-90  21:19:16
Sb: #7663-#OS/9 Auto Boot on COCO3
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: joe novosel 76220,1270 (X)
You have three options I am aware of.
1) XT-ROM from Burke & Burke
2) Extended ADOS-3
3) Puppo Keyboard Interface
Zack
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#: 7704 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    23-Oct-90  21:48:34
Sb: #7682-OS/9 Auto Boot on COCO3
Fm: joe novosel 76220,1270
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Thanks, I will look into those options. Joe Novosel

#: 7820 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    27-Oct-90  23:27:57
Sb: #7663-#OS/9 Auto Boot on COCO3
Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
To: joe novosel 76220,1270 (X)
~ There is another option. I use Pete's Auto-boot ROM which all it really does
is auto-exec the DOS command on power up. This allows for me to still use RSDOS
stuff (which is rare)
I have a file that allows you to patch nd put REL BOOT OS9P1 into a Eprom and
stick it in the CoCo.. this is the kernal of OS9 by the way.. then on power up
it will auto-load OS9Boot and away ya go... If interested ill upload it if it
does not exist on the fourm.
Mike
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#: 7894 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    29-Oct-90  09:34:22
Sb: #7820-#OS/9 Auto Boot on COCO3
Fm: joe novosel 76220,1270
To: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715 (X)
Yes, I'm definately interested in that!! Putting os/9 in rom is more like whatI
need anyway.
My main application for this is a dedicated control system so it would be nice
to ROM the whole thing if possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
Thanks, Joe Novosel 76220,1270
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#: 7929 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Nov-90  00:47:07
Sb: #7894-#OS/9 Auto Boot on COCO3
Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
To: joe novosel 76220,1270 (X)
i can upload the file to burn the kernal into ROM if you want
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#: 7934 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Nov-90  18:17:59
Sb: #7929-OS/9 Auto Boot on COCO3
Fm: joe novosel 76220,1270
To: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
Yes, I would really appreciate that!  I am also using this in a COCO II running
level I.  Will this work for that system as well? Thanks, Joe Novosel

#: 7975 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Nov-90  01:47:24
Sb: #7929-OS/9 Auto Boot on COCO3
Fm: Marcelo Katzeff 72520,640
To: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
Yes please, I'll apreciatte it. Thanks.

#: 7703 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    23-Oct-90  21:32:13
Sb: WD & HD Problems
Fm: Mike Stephenson 71655,415
To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273
 Bruce;
 In case you don't have 'email waiting' enabled, I left you
 some email about a problem I'm having with my HD.
 Thanks
 Mike

#: 7705 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    23-Oct-90  21:54:17
Sb: #Smartwatch on COCO 3 LII
Fm: joe novosel 76220,1270
To: all
Has anyone intefaced a smartwatch or other slotless clock to the COCO 3 Level 2
os/9 system? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Joe Novosel
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#: 7707 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    23-Oct-90  22:00:13
Sb: #7705-#Smartwatch on COCO 3 LII
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: joe novosel 76220,1270 (X)
If I remember rightly, there is indeed a clock module for use with the
smartwatch.  I think the folks who sell it have one, and I'm embarrassed to say
that even though I talked to a fellow at Atlanta CoCoFest about it, I don't
remember his name.  Check the ads in RAINBOW; I'm pretty sure it's there.
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#: 7724 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    24-Oct-90  10:10:20
Sb: #7707-Smartwatch on COCO 3 LII
Fm: joe novosel 76220,1270
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Thanks, I'll look there. Joe Novosel 76220,1270

#: 7764 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    25-Oct-90  18:34:10
Sb: #7705-#Smartwatch on COCO 3 LII
Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
To: joe novosel 76220,1270 (X)
Joe,
        Lots of poeple have done it, including me.  My "Smartwatch" is plugged
into the ROM socket in my "xt"-type hard disk controller, right UNDER the
(Burke & Burke) XT-ROM.  The only thing I have to touch to boot up is the
button on a power strip. BTW, I got                     the driver for the
clock chip from the LIBs here If you get one from one of the regular COCO
suppliers, I'm sure you get the software with it.  I originally bought mine
from R.S. to put into an XT-Clone.
                                  JohnW
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#: 7767 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    25-Oct-90  21:13:08
Sb: #7764-Smartwatch on COCO 3 LII
Fm: joe novosel 76220,1270
To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)
Thanks, this is really what I am looking for!! Joe Novosel

#: 7711 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    23-Oct-90  22:51:11
Sb: #database
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: all
Still waiting for a good data base! Any luck?
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#: 7781 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    26-Oct-90  16:57:34
Sb: #7711-database
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
Keith Alphonso of Alpha Software Technologies is announcing a new new database
called Data Windows.  AST's number is (504) 649-5176.  The new product is going
for $59.95.  The list of features and functions is pretty impressive, but I've
just seen the flyer, haven't seen it in action.
Lee

#: 7715 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    24-Oct-90  03:06:31
Sb: #Disto HD and no halt?
Fm: John Wight 76370,2100
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin, I was wondering... I have the DISTO HD interface, and have been using it
on my BBS for about a year and have been very satisfied. I just bought the
Super Controller II, so that I can have no-halt floppy disk access. Now how
about no-halt Hard Disk access? Are there drivers for the HD interface for no
halt other than the one in Library 10 which  requires no multipak, because I do
use my multipak with an RS-232. Are there any other solutions with the hardware
I have?
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#: 7725 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    24-Oct-90  11:22:50
Sb: #7715-Disto HD and no halt?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: John Wight 76370,2100 (X)
John - I coulda sworn that there's another HD driver floating around which does
work okay in the MPI (and which does more sleeps for smoothness). I was working
on one myself over a year ago, but lightning hit the Rodime I used on the Disto
interface, and I never got a chance to test it out...
lemme see if I can dig it up.  I lost track of it for a long while.

#: 7766 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    25-Oct-90  21:08:53
Sb: #7715-#Disto HD and no halt?
Fm: Ted Miller 76545,457
To: John Wight 76370,2100 (X)
Hello John;
There is a new no halt device driver for the Disto hard disk interface. Its in
the form of an Ipatch file. I found it in the Delphi Os9 forum but I don't know
whether its here. I've had it installed on my system for about a month now with
no problems . If you don't have a Delphi account I'll see if I can upload it
here.
Ted Miller
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#: 7817 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    27-Oct-90  22:26:37
Sb: #7766-#Disto HD and no halt?
Fm: John Wight 76370,2100
To: Ted Miller 76545,457 (X)
No, I don't have a Delphi account -- yet. If you could upload it here, it would
sure be appreciated. Thanks
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#: 7847 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    28-Oct-90  16:37:12
Sb: #7817-#Disto HD and no halt?
Fm: Ted Miller 76545,457
To: John Wight 76370,2100 (X)
t`sHello John;
Before I go any further in getting permisssion to upload from the author, do
you need the sasi or the scso version? I only have the sasi version. If you
want to go ahead and try to get a scsi version yourself, if thats what you
need, its written by Ken Scales and named cchdscsi.ar
Ted Miller
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#: 7927 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    31-Oct-90  23:21:30
Sb: #7847-Disto HD and no halt?
Fm: John Wight 76370,2100
To: Ted Miller 76545,457 (X)
The drive and controller I use is MFM type.

#: 7913 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    29-Oct-90  23:59:47
Sb: #7817-#Disto HD and no halt?
Fm: Ken Scales 74646,2237
To: John Wight 76370,2100 (X)
John -
Ted Miller contacted me over on "the other service", and I uploaded both of the
patch files for the Disto SASI and SCSI drivers on Monday night. Should be
available to you for downloading from DL10 (CoCo) soon.
Good luck... / Ken.
PS -- A note on compatibility:  Both patches have been "soaking" online on
Delphi for a few months.  The only reported problem with these versions has
come from 2 users with Seagate ST125N (SCSI) drives -- in some cases, the very
first drive access fails. (All subsequent accesses are successful).  Both
drives had the same problem with the UNpatched driver; e.g. Paul reported 90%
first-access failures without the patch, and is still having about 10% failures
with the patch applied; Jim reports no change in this area.  Otherwise, folks
seem to be happy.
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#: 7928 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    31-Oct-90  23:23:13
Sb: #7913-Disto HD and no halt?
Fm: John Wight 76370,2100
To: Ken Scales 74646,2237 (X)
Thanks for the info and uploads. However I use an MFM type drive and
controller, which I assume isn't compatible with SASI or SCSI.

#: 7765 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    25-Oct-90  20:26:53
Sb: #7562-#software survey
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)
David  - I see that you may not keep the coco, but in the meantime here's the
files you need to read/write MSDOS disks... all in Lib 10 (except AR which is
in Lib 9 if you don't have it already):
 PCDOS.AR  - the program
 CC3DIS.AR - patchfile to create new cc3disk driver for 256/512 byte sectors
 PATCH.AR  - the patchfile installation program (ipatch)
 AR09.BIN  - the de/archive program used most around here
Be interesting to do a survey of the membership, actually... there are some
developers, quite a few engineers who use os9 at work, but mostly a lot of
hobbyists.
There are a few business types around also... that is, people using their OS9
machines with several terminals attached, as POS and inventory-control and
finance reporting stations.
OS9ers tend to like to fiddle with things, both hardware and software. They
still enjoy programming their own stuff at times, even if a commercial
application on say, their PClone or Mac, is better.  I'd sum us up as a group
of people who like to keep learning new things, on an OS which has longevity,
power, and comparative ease of getting "into"... it's small and clear enough to
understand by a human.
Maybe here's another clue: there's never been an OS9 virus for the entire
decade of its existence (knock on wood)... altho I'm sure one could be done.  I
think anyone who reached the point of being able to do one, has fallen in love
with things enough to never even think of doing such to other users.
PS: Another weird thing: OS9 users don't usually go out actively looking for
new users (altho we sure speak up if a question arises which OS9 can answer
:-)... we've learned to kind of let people find _us_, I'd guess you'd say. 
That way you get more dedicated people: the seekers, if you will. Also, as with
Forth users, "OS9" and "fanatic" seem to be mated words <grin>.
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#: 7776 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    26-Oct-90  07:32:02
Sb: #7765-software survey
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Actually, the fact that "OS9ers tend to like to fiddle with things" is one of
the things that attacted me to it.  The typical DDJ reader has always been a
fiddler (as have I).  I like to write my own programs just for the satisfaction
of knowing that I can do it and because it helps me to understand how things
work better.

#: 7790 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    27-Oct-90  08:11:42
Sb: #Disto stuff
Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin:
I'm working on putting togeather a hard drive system for my CoCo, and it is
starting to get interesting. I have found out you don't just buy some stuff,
put it all togeather and wa-la.
The problem I have is I'm using the Disto Super Controller I with a 3in1 board.
Thus I can not use the B&B system. I wrote to Owl ware, but they don't seem to
want to talk to me.(It's been about a month and a half) Also it seems that the
4in1 will not work with the SC-I.
So will it work if I break out my MPI, put in a new PAL chip, and use the Disto
MEB II with the Hard Disk Adapter? I was talking to Frank Hogg, and he
mentioned that you wrote the drivers for this stuff. He could set me up with
the rest of what I need. But first I need to know if it will work. If not know
anybody who wants a SC-I w/3in1?
     >Lute<
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#: 7821 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    28-Oct-90  00:10:07
Sb: #7790-#Disto stuff
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)
Lute,
I can't think of any reason why that setup wouldn't work.  That's the way it
was intended, actually (the Disto cards).
In fact, you should be able to use the B&B hard disk in the MPI with the SC-I,
if you wished (were you given any reason why not?).
Much more stuff works together than you'd think... all of us communicated
behind the scenes when writing our drivers to make sure of that.
Kev
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#: 7845 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    28-Oct-90  16:27:39
Sb: #7821-#Disto stuff
Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin:
From what I understand, it's not the SC-I that is the problem, it's the 3in1.
Something about memory mapping. I have become very fond of my 3in1, and the
only way I will give it up is for something better. However I don't have $250
to drop on a SC-II and 4in1, or Eliminator set up. That would put my hard drive
off even longer.
So I was hoping to use what I have. That being the MPI and something that will
work with the SC-I/3in1 setup. The B&B sounded good, but when I talked to FHL,
they checked with Disto, and no go. This is when I went to the MEB II Hard Disk
Adapter idea.
All I really want is to keep my 3in1 and get a hard drive online. By the way,
does the info on formatting a hard drive come with the adapter? I've come
across a 45meg Seagate N series for $320 that I thought I might like. This
would also work better if and or when I decided to move up to one of the new
machines.
I hope I'm getting across whats going on here.
     >Lute<
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#: 7848 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    28-Oct-90  16:49:25
Sb: #7845-Disto stuff
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)
Ah. Hmm. Okay, let me think about this offline a little more, when I get a
chance to read your msg (dinner time now).  back soon - kev

#: 7879 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    28-Oct-90  22:02:46
Sb: #7845-#Disto stuff
Fm: Randy Wilson 71561,756
To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)
Did Frank give a reason why the Disto and B&B wouldn't get along? I've been
running this setup (with an SC2) for about three weeks, now. Admottedly, there
isn't anyway it would work on a Y-cable or equiv, they're addressed at the same
spot (FF5x), but everything should be cool with a MPI. That's what the SCS line
is all about.
Randy
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#: 7898 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    29-Oct-90  18:32:48
Sb: #7879-Disto stuff
Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
To: Randy Wilson 71561,756 (X)
Randy,
No, not really. He told me that he had called Disto, and asked them, and that
it kind of sounded like he hit a nerve. So he didn't persue it. From what I got
out of gt, they said something like "No it won't work and we don't know why!"
But if you're using an SC-II/3-1 with the B&B system, by rights it should work
with an SC-I/3-1. However I have been leaning to a SCSI system. Just seems like
it may be a better way for me to go. I've had real good luck with Disto so far,
may as well stick with them.
     >Lute<

#: 7891 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    29-Oct-90  05:25:23
Sb: #7845-#Disto stuff
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)
Lute,
I couldn't find my docs on either the 3-1 or SC-I, but there shouldn't be
(couldn't be!) any memory map conflicts... as all the MEB cards are MPI
slot-selected.
The B&B is also slot-selected, which means any combination of Disto/BB stuff
should work together.  The slot stuff was tricky, but there again we'd all
gotten together and made sure our drivers didn't stomp on each other ;-).
The HD/MEB sounds like a good idea if you want to use that Seagate drive.  Or
for that matter, the Ken-Ton SCSI interface should work also (not sure what
addresses it uses, tho. anybody know?)
Or: ever since my poor Rodime SCSI blew up from lightning (it was hooked to a
Disto 2-1 HD card inside my Disto ramdisk),  I've kept on using my old original
LR Tech (Owlware?) SASI interface, which I've always liked a lot.
So any of the HD cards out there should work okay with your SC-I/3-1 setup, as
far as I can tell/remember.
best - kev
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#: 7899 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    29-Oct-90  18:34:49
Sb: #7891-#Disto stuff
Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin:
Thanks for the input. Think I'll stick with the Disto route. I've had real good
luck with them so far.
Just a thought, would it be possible to use the HD/RS232 card and squeeze a
second port out of the system. I know drivers would have to be  weaked etc. But
you must admit, would be nice. Maybe try something like Bruce I. did with the
mouse driver for his Eliminator.
I'm just going to have to learn more about this stuff.
     >Lute<
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#: 7905 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    29-Oct-90  21:41:04
Sb: #7899-#Disto stuff
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)
Lute -
Yes, you can use the second RS232 port on the HD card.  The disk should come
with a driver for that (it does on the SC-II disk... altho it was a late comer
afterthought deal).
However, it would require jumpering (by whatever means) the interrupts from the
second card ... MPI slots tied together, or separate wire, or whatever. This
because the MPI only allows one slot to pass irqs at a time.
That special driver, btw, is kinda weird.  Consider: each rs232 port is now
slot-selected.  Thus a normal driver (which would just go out and poll an
address) cannot be used.  The special driver solicits all interrupts (this
takes almost no extra time) and polls iniz'd driver slots itself to see if a
slot-selected rs232 card gave the interrupt.  Little weird, but it worked (to
my surprise - hehe).
Umm. Was that clear as mud?  The MPI slot thingie is a key point to understand
when getting into this stuff, from a techie standpoint. - kev
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#: 7935 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Nov-90  19:40:38
Sb: #7905-#Disto stuff
Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin:
No problem on the IRQ line, I hacked my MPI back in the Level 1, PBJ wordpak
days. Tie pin 8s together, right?
Ok, this sounds kind of strange. What I have in mind is using the second port
for a mouse. When I read that Bruce did it, I kind of thought it would be nice
to have a serial mouse for Multi-Vue.
Do you think I'm getting in over my head. Keep in mind, I have very little
programming and hardware experience.
     >Lute<
P.S. Do you think it can be done?
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#: 7939 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Nov-90  21:43:36
Sb: #7935-#Disto stuff
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)
Ah I see.  Umm, you'd have to get Bruce to write a specific version of his
mouse driver for using two Disto serial ports, I'm afraid.  If you had an extra
slot for an old RS232 cartridge, that'd be much easier.
No, wait a sec. Hmmm. Let me think about this... cuz actually it seems like you
could run the mouse off the slot 4 port, and use the slot-switching-driver for
the other serial port.  I'll have to look at something first, to see if this
would be possible. Hang on.
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#: 7956 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Nov-90  08:24:50
Sb: #7939-Disto stuff
Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin:
If it's going to be some kind of a nightmare, I'll just make do until I move up
to a Tomcat. I hope by that time someone has put togeather a Multi-Vue type
system fop them.
Is there any reason I can't use an 80 Meg Seagate with the Disto HD board? I
can gane 40 Meg for $40. It's an ST296N.
If the mouse thing would work with an old RS232 pak, I'm going to scream. When
I got the 3-1 I sold mine for $10!!!
So hopefully it will work on the slot 4 port.
     >Lute<

#: 7831 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    28-Oct-90  09:05:55
Sb: Hard Disk Defrag
Fm: J SILLIMAN 72355,1207
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
J -
Best bet is simple, but laborious:
1. backup the disk (use HDKIT, or equivalent)
2. format the drive again (logical is okay, but why not take the opportunity
   to freshly write track and sector headers).
3. restore the drive (again, HDKIT or equivalent).
Pete
----------------------------------------------------------------
Thanx for the info, but reformating was the last thing I wanted to do.
  I tried FSR again, and so far so good, I was a little worried about using it
because the last time, it totally fragmented the disk, it doesn't like shell+

#: 7901 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    29-Oct-90  20:57:36
Sb: Patches
Fm: Greg A. Jandl 72677,1634
To: all
I'm curious as to who uploaded the Disto version of the clock patch to fix the
IRQ* problems.  There are several people over on Delphi that need/want it and
do not have accounts here.  I'd like to upload it there, but need the author's
permission.  Thanks!
Oh..I forgot who wanted the cchdscsi.ar file, but I have it if you want me to
ask the author over on Delphi if I can post it here.  It works quite nicely! 
I've been using it for some time on a CC-3 512k, w/SC-II & 4in1. Very smooth. 
Let me know & sorry I forgot who you were.  I'd go back and look, but it co$t$
a bit to much over here!! <grin>
 -:- Greg (72677,1634)

#: 7921 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    30-Oct-90  22:34:58
Sb: #RSDOS2OS9
Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403
To: Anyone
   I downloaded Zack Sessions'  Zoom1.ar & Zoom2.ar  fractal vef files only to
find that he must have used a HD when creating them.  Since I don't have one, I
couldn't use them and stored 'em away.   Along comes the 1 meg upgrade with the
possibility of having an enormous ramdisk, enuf to de-arc & run Zoom from RAM.
   One hitch- I have them stored on RSDOS disks, expecting to transfer to OS9
when the time came but found DOS2OR9 didn't want to handle the very large
files. (Zoom2.ar takes 56 grans).  I was able to modify Dosor9 to transfer
Zoom1.ar but not Zoom2.ar (produces FILE TOO FRAGMENTED  error).  Any way to
modify Dosor9  or would another transfer utility do the job (which)?
   Btw, the 1M upgrade is great!  Not only did Zoom1 run well, but I'm using
the bigger rdisk to better advantage unPAKing or deARcing other new downloads;
and finally getting around to better organize &  sort stray files on scads of
unrelated floppies by copying them temporarily to the rdisk.  -ph-
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#: 7922 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    31-Oct-90  00:45:08
Sb: #7921-RSDOS2OS9
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X)
Paul - I take it you changed (or got the fix) to DOSOR9 to handle >64K files?
Okay, then for the fragmented file, I'd just copy it to a freshly formatted
RSDOS disk first.  See if that works.
PS: glad you like the 1-meg!

#: 7936 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Nov-90  20:43:44
Sb: #RSDOS2OS9
Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
Kev,
  I looked again at my copy of DOSOR9 and it's dated 1988. Is there a newer
version?
  On another subject, when ident shows some modules have incorrect module
header, is there any way to correct this?  If these modules are merged ahead of
other correct modules, the latter will not show up in the MDIR readout.   -ph-
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#: 7937 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Nov-90  21:13:51
Sb: #7936-RSDOS2OS9
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X)
To correct a module header, you'd need some notion of what it's supposed to
look like--e.g. what kind of module it's supposed to be, where something that
looks like the module name is, and so forth.  Once you have that, you can use
something like DED to stuff in the values you think should be there--and update
the parity check and CRC if need be.
That's dangerous work, though--no telling what changes you missed!  So, my
advice to you would be, if a module doesn't make it through ident (unless it's
something you've changed in a way that you understand, and forgot to update the
CRC on), don't try to fix it, get a clean version.

#: 7940 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Nov-90  21:47:00
Sb: #7936-#RSDOS2OS9
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X)
Paul - depends on exactly the ident error you get.
One thing I see sometimes from people is this happening: they've merged a
module that has junk on its end, in with a set of others.  Perhaps they
downloaded the module and it has xmodem padding, etc.  Dunno.  But yes ident
will falter when this happens.
Try loading the module itself, then saving it back out (do you have a Save
command?).... that'll strip off the junk.  Others here may have different ways
of doing this. - kev
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#: 7962 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Nov-90  11:54:07
Sb: #7940-RSDOS2OS9
Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Yep, that did the trick.  Module loaded in, resaved to disk, ident now checks
ok.   thx.   -ph

#: 7949 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Nov-90  00:04:09
Sb: #"DOS"
Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663
To: ALL
 TODAY I WENT INTO A RADIO SHACK STORE TO INQUIRE ABOUT OS9. WHILE THERE, I
DISCOVERED THAT COCO3'S WERE ON SALE FOR $99.95, SO I BOUGHT OS9 LEVEL 2 AND A
COCO3. I AM USING A MULTIPAK INTERFACE, A DISK DRIVE THAT I BOUGHT BACK WHEN I
HAD MY COCO1. WHEN I FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS IN MY OS9 MANUAL AND TYPE "DOS" AT
THE
"OK" PROMPT, I GET A "SN? ERROR" I HAD AN "OS9LOAD" PROGRAM THAT I USE TO RUN
"OS9" PROGRAMS FROM DISK EXTENDED BASIC. WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO TO GET OS9 TO
BOOT BY TYPING "DOS"?
 REX
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#: 7951 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Nov-90  01:52:36
Sb: #7949-"DOS"
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: REX GOODE 73777,3663 (X)
A recent enough Disk BASIC ROM to contain the "DOS" command--I don't think the
very early ones had them.

#: 7952 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Nov-90  02:19:51
Sb: #7949-#"DOS"
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: REX GOODE 73777,3663 (X)
Hi Rex.  If your coco comes up and says "disk basic 2.0" (or similar) then you
don't have the DOS command... which came on later disk controllers.
The manual should have a small program to type in which'll do the same thing as
DOS does, tho.  I'll try to spot where it is in there, if someone else doesn't
have it around offhand. - kev
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#: 7963 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Nov-90  14:20:31
Sb: #7952-#"DOS"
Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Thanks kev,
 I have the right program via my D.L.Logo manual. I can get OS9 up and running,
but now I am having a different problem. I have the Speech/Sound cartridge, but
it doesn't seem to work in OS9. Any help for that particular problem?
 Rex
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#: 7965 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Nov-90  14:28:12
Sb: #7963-#"DOS"
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: REX GOODE 73777,3663 (X)
Rex - the problem is that the S/SC was made to work at 1Mhz, not the 2Mhz that
L-II runs at.  This is fixable with a small hack.  See SSPAK.AR in Lib 10, I
believe (also read BESTOF.TXT, which altho is old now, still lists quite a few
things you'll need or want as a new user).
(For example, if you don't have it, you need AR09.BIN from Lib 9 to dearchive
most files here).
Any problems, just yell!  best - kev
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#: 7967 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Nov-90  14:42:47
Sb: #7965-"DOS"
Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Hey kev,
 I got the same answer about the S/SC over on the CoCo forum. Thanks. My
problem now is "how do I get the fix downloaded?" I am writing this message on
an IBM-AT using YAM. The only telecom programs I have for CoCo are Color Compac
and the telecom feature of the Stereo Music cartridge. I can never get Color
Compac to download anything, and the Stereo Music cartridge will download
anything you want, but when you save it to file, saves it as if it were an
Orc90 file. Does OS9 have any telecom programs that come with?
 Rex

#: 7957 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Nov-90  08:28:10
Sb: #Deskmate 3 Hardcoded?
Fm: Bill Henderson 72215,341
To: All
Deskmate 3 is hardcoded to work only on TERM. I want to have it operate on
another window running a VDG Screen.
Can anyone tell me what to patch to do this?
Thanks!
  Bill Henderson
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#: 7958 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Nov-90  09:04:55
Sb: #7957-Deskmate 3 Hardcoded?
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Bill Henderson 72215,341
I think there is a patch in the library on this. It also provides means to run
Deskmate3 apps from a GShell icon.
Zack

#: 7964 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Nov-90  14:22:38
Sb: #7957-Deskmate 3 Hardcoded?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bill Henderson 72215,341
Bill - sure. Read DESK.SCR in Lib 10.  Also see MDESKP.AR and MULTID.AR for
running from Gshell.

#: 7976 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Nov-90  03:25:52
Sb: #7581-hard drive
Fm: Chris Burke 72240,304
To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)
Hi Lute!
You'll have to use versions of the DISTO device drivers that properly account
for slot switching.  I have versions of the ACIA and printer driver available. 
Otherwise, no problem as long as you use a Multi-PAK
Chris Burke

#: 7978 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Nov-90  09:49:14
Sb: #BASIC09 DISK
Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663
To: ALL
 I SUSPECT THAT MY "BOOT/CONFIG/BASIC09" DISK IS BAD. AFTER BOOTING WITH OS9
SYSTEM MASTER, I PUT THE BASIC DISK IN AND KEY, "BASIC09". IT RETURNS AN ERROR
#216. THEN I DO "PXD" TO SEE WHICH DIRECTORY IS THE EXECUTION DIR AND GET ERROR
#214. THEN I TRY A "CHX CMDS" AND GET ERROR #244. THIS HAPPENS ON BOTH MY
BACKUP AND ORIGINAL. ANY IDEAS?
 REX
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#: 7982 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Nov-90  10:44:30
Sb: #7978-BASIC09 DISK
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: REX GOODE 73777,3663
The #244 sounds bad, but the rest are explainable. Whenever you remove/replace
your system/data disks, make sure you chx or chx to the disk's paths,
regardless whether or not they're the same name (i.e. chx /d0/cmds, chd
/d1/woof, etc.) This is because it updates the LOCATION information as to where
that directory is on the diskette.
In the case of Basic09, try typing the full pathname, i.e.:
  /d1/basic09
Pete

#: 7979 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Nov-90  09:50:31
Sb: Orch-90
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: All
Are there OS-9 Level 2 device drivers for the Orch-90 Stereo Pak?
Are there hardware mods required for the Pak to work at the 2MHz speed?
Thanks,
Lee

#: 7985 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Nov-90  12:31:30
Sb: HD Drives
Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127
To: Kevin Darling
Please refresh my memory, Kevin... are 3.5", 1.4 meg floppy drives useable with 
a Coco III/Level II?  I think the answer is no, but if this is the case, why
not?
Also, if they are unuseable as 1.4 meg drives, are most of these drives
jumperable to 720K mode?

#: 8032 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Nov-90  18:33:46
Sb: #7990-Orch-90
Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
kev,
 I'll be interested in how this thread turns out. I've got Orc-90 and find that
to use it, I must switch my MultiPak. I'd love to be able to run it from OS9.
 If Lee is listening, I have found that D.L. Logo has a MUSIC primitive that
plays multi-part harmony. It somehow gets more than 2 voices out of the CoCo.
Doesn't sound as good as Orc-90, but is pretty interesting anyway. D.L.Logo has
been interesting anyway.
  Rex

#: 7991 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Nov-90  14:46:58
Sb: #7985-#HD Drives
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 (X)
Yes, you can use those drives on the coco, as 720K only.  As 1.4meg, they'd
require a controller with some crystal mods and perhaps some other hacks (dunno
for sure what all would be involved).
I think they all either have jumpers, or most may automatically drop down to
720K mode because the diskette HD hole would be missing.
I know some here are using these drives... how about it guys?
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#: 8006 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Nov-90  03:02:41
Sb: #7991-#HD Drives
Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Thanks for the explanation on the HD drives, Kev.
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#: 8219 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-Nov-90  07:22:13
Sb: #8006-#HD Drives
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 (X)
You cn use 1.44 meg drives with the Eliminator/WD-1005. I have'nt done (yet)
though.
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#: 8358 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-Nov-90  05:18:54
Sb: #8219-HD Drives
Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
Thanks for the info on the 1.44 meg drives, Bill

#: 7993 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Nov-90  21:52:01
Sb: #7978-#BASIC09 DISK
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: REX GOODE 73777,3663 (X)
Rex - As Pete mentioned, chd & chx refer to a disk location, not to a directory
name. This is a major source of confusion for new users that OS9 manuals should
really explain.  You're not alone in running up against this one! But once it's
understood, you're home free.
When you "chd zzz" or "chx zzz",  OS9 looks up WHERE that directory zzz is on
THAT disk, and records pointers to the device and disk location (sector number)
in a table for that process.  This makes relative lookup (default or "../this"
or "that" quicker. But they're dependent upon where things are on that
particular disk.
So if you switch disks on OS9, and try to use default paths ("load basic09",
"basic09", "list startup", "pxd", etc), OS9 will try to start from that proc's
default location information... which of course is usually totally wrong for
any new disk (except identical backups).
It's sorta like showing someone a map to your house... once they know where
landmarks are on THAT map (disk), fine.  But swap maps, and they get confused
until they start looking all over again from the beginning.
The solution is simple: either temporarily "chx" or "chd" (depending on what
you're doing) to the new disk's directory names... or use full pathnames. When
you're quickly swapping a disk for one thing, full names are easiest:
    load /d0/cmds/basic09  (to keep in memory, and "basic09" to start)
        or
    /d0/cmds/basic09       (to start, but not keep when exited)
The first case assumes you have "load" in memory, natch.  The errors you got
should make more sense now.  Except 244. Dunno on that one. - kev
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#: 8014 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Nov-90  11:00:01
Sb: #7993-#BASIC09 DISK
Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
kev,
 Actually I did try "chx" first. Got some kind of error on that one too. Can't
remember which. I also tried "/d0/cmds/basic09" and got an error. When I bought
the package, it was already open. I think someone returned it previously and RS
people just put it back on the shelf. There's a sucker born every minute.
  Rex
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#: 8028 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Nov-90  17:20:03
Sb: #8014-#BASIC09 DISK
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: REX GOODE 73777,3663 (X)
Rex - ah well, you're not the sucker anyway... the RS  guys who took back the
package and didn't check the disks out were!   Or they may not have taken it
back from anyone... often stores open one package for people to mess with (or
for the salespeople to try out).  Coulda just gotten munged by a careless
person that way.
Can you even do a "dir" of the disk?  How many drives do you have?  And what
kind?  Might be something else going on we need to find out about first. In any
case, get an exchange! <g>  best - kev
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#: 8029 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Nov-90  18:28:43
Sb: #8028-#BASIC09 DISK
Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
kev,
 After much run around, I got an exchange. One woman at RS called up Texas and
ordered an exchange. I had already gotten a promise at a store cross town for
an immediate exchange. When I told the woman at my RS store, she said, "They
can't do that." She told me I would have to wait a week. I said, "no way! I
paid 80 bucks for that software and I'm not going to wait a week when the guy
on the way to work will replace it today." She was upset because she had
already ordered the replacement before I told her I wanted it and now she'd be
stuck with an unwanted copy. She called her manager and he told her to let me
do the exchange.
 Anyway, I got a replacement that I'll try tonight. I can do a "dir" on the
disk, including in the "cmds" directory. I have one old drive that I got when
there was only CoCo1s. It works great with everything else, so I don't suspect
it.
 Thanks for the help. After I try the disk tonight, I may be back on my knees
here pleading for more help.
 Rex
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#: 8038 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Nov-90  21:37:41
Sb: #8029-#BASIC09 DISK
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: REX GOODE 73777,3663 (X)
Rex - sounds good.  Ask away with any questions!
PS: A lot of people have ancient drives... tho I think most original drives
have about given up the ghost by now.  I remember having mine checked out over
3 years ago (bought them when they came out for the coco), and they were only
writing with something like 1/10th the correct current... the heads were just
shot.  But then, I used them a lot. - kev
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#: 8046 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    06-Nov-90  09:15:41
Sb: #8038-#BASIC09 DISK
Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
kev,
 I haven't had much problem with my disk drive since I upgraded to a CoCo2 and
now a CoCo3. Everything seems to work just great except that Basic09 disk. I
got my replacement and tried it last night. The new disk is formatted, but
totally devoid of files. Back to the drawing board. I'm going to go to the same
RS store and ask them to let me exchange for yet another copy, but try it out
on their demo model first. Actually, I don't think they keep their CoCo3's
running anymore. Is Tandy totally giving up on CoCos?
 My disk drive experienced a lot of problems when I first bought it. Finally it
ceased to work at all after about 1 month. By then my CoCo1 was just about shot
and I gave it to my brother-in-law and bought a CoCo2. That CoCo1 lasted me
about 4 years. My brother-in-law ended up throwing it away when he couldn't get
it working. Now he's an IBM nerd. My disk drive wouldn't work with my CoCo2 at
all until I got the Multi-Pak interface. The disk drive sat on the shelf about
2 years before I discovered it would work with the MultiPak. So even though it
is old, it hasn't see a lot of action until recently. I figure it still has a
bit of life left in it, and as I said, never flinches at the other CoCo3
software I have acquired, just Basic09 disks--all of them so far. Just looks
like I'm having a bit of bad luck with old store copies.
  Rex
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#: 8047 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    06-Nov-90  11:54:56
Sb: #8046-#BASIC09 DISK
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: REX GOODE 73777,3663 (X)
Hmm -
Wonder if the drive working with the multipak meant that you had an original
style disk controller (required +5vdc and +12vdc) on a coco2 (only had +5vdc).
The multipak was a source of +12vdc.
Pete
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#: 8049 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    06-Nov-90  16:12:10
Sb: #8047-BASIC09 DISK
Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Pete,
 Maybe so. Actually my disk drive stopped working with my CoCo1. I think maybe
The Sands of Egypt was just too much for it.
 Rex

#: 8013 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Nov-90  10:56:34
Sb: #7982-#BASIC09 DISK
Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Pete,
 Sorry I didn't mention it earlier, but I did attempt the /d0/basic09. Don't
remember the error I got then, but I got one. I did the CHX also. Sounds like I
have a bad disk.
 When I bought it, the package was already open. Looked like a return maybe.
Some slob at Radio Shack must have just put it back on the shelf to wait for
the next patsy...me.
 Rex
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#: 8022 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Nov-90  13:48:53
Sb: #8013-#BASIC09 DISK
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: REX GOODE 73777,3663 (X)
Okay - try this:
a) load ident
b) (switch in the B09 disk)
c) ident /d0/basic09
d) also, attr /d0/basic09
(note: load 'attr' when you load ident)
That should confirm or deny that B09 is good.
Pete
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#: 8025 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Nov-90  16:07:04
Sb: #8022-#BASIC09 DISK
Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Thanks for the help Pete. I'll try tonight when I get home to my CoCo3, and my
wife and kids. (Notice which came first) :-)  I managed to find a RS store that
would exchange the disk for me. I'll see if the new one acts like the old one.
 Rex
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#: 8034 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Nov-90  19:00:43
Sb: #8025-#BASIC09 DISK
Fm: Randy Wilson 71561,756
To: REX GOODE 73777,3663 (X)
Rex,
Email received a-okay. I'm puting together a package that hopefully you can
use. Without a hardware serial port (RS-232 pak or equiv.), I can not recommend
telcomming with OS9. I'm gonna send what I have in the way of RS-DOS terminal
programs, some utilities to move files to/from RSDOS, PCDOS, and OS9, and a few
other assorted goodies to get you up and running.
On your Basic09 problem, there is one possibility not addressed, yet. If your
"CoCo1 drive" = FD-500, you *might* run into disk problems. Some of these
beasts don't take kindly to the CoCo3's 2mhz speed. I'm not saying that is your
problem, but the potential is there.
Randy
P.S. It will take the disks a while to get there. You *would* have to live in
the oppisite corner of the country.  :>
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#: 8045 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    06-Nov-90  09:08:17
Sb: #8034-BASIC09 DISK
Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663
To: Randy Wilson 71561,756 (X)
Randy,
 Thanks for your help. On some future payday, I'm going to try and get an
RS-232 pak. Everyone seems to need one eventually.
 My Basic09 problem is getting worse. I convinced a RS store to replace the
disk. The new disk was formatted, but totally empty. Thats what I get for
getting into it so late, all the disks are experiencing software rot. My FD500
disk is doing fine with all of the other CoCo3 software I have been getting,
just not that lousy Basic09 disk. I've got a new copy coming from Texas.
 The opposite corner of the country is the most beautiful. Come on out some day
and I'll show you the sights. When I'm not at work or home with my fingers
glued to my CoCo3 keyboard, you can find me hiking the Pacific Northwest or
sleeping in a snow cave. Which corner of the country are you in? I spent two
weeks in Florida at the end of October. Disney World is just the place for a 34
year old kid like me.
 %)
 Rex

#: 8003 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Nov-90  23:16:17
Sb: #7945-#Reduced system memory
Fm: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev, I used dEd and renamed cc3io to xc3io as you suggested.  The computer
booted up just fine this way. Using dirm, xc3io appeared where cc3io used to
be.  I have one problem however.  I haven't found an order for os9boot that
works?!  I think I remember reading that os9p2 and ioman have to be the first
and second module in os9boot.  Is this true?  If so, why? Regards,  Bill
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#: 8008 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Nov-90  04:21:29
Sb: #8003-#Reduced system memory
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102 (X)
Bill - if it booted with "xc3io", then it must not be using that module. So
it's something else that's going on... I take it the bootfile idents okay?
Ummm... no, I don't think os9p2 has to be first in the file.. nor any other in
any order.  Once the boot is loaded in, os9 verifies and enters all modules in
the mdir, and finds them by name.  The only exceptions are pre-boot-load, when
DOS jumps to REL, and REL calls OS9p1/Boot.
OSK is slightly different: "kernel" seems to need to be first.  Makes sense for
it, tho.
Does os9p1 show up on an mdir, btw?
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#: 8035 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Nov-90  19:59:00
Sb: #8008-Reduced system memory
Fm: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev, yes, rel, os9p1 and boot show up on the mdir.  May be blob, I have not
exhausted all possible permutations and combinations <grin - sigh!>

#: 8242 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-Nov-90  13:29:35
Sb: #7944-Reduced system memory
Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
To: Bill O'Brien 73167,3102
~ The reason why I say you can't get more then 64K is when OS9 boots up it
grabs 64K for the system modules, data tables and so forth (Smap shows it) The
initial shell will be in the other 64K map. (leaves 56K if VDG or 48K if GFX
screen) using /t2 as the inital screen will leave 56K. OS9 Level II switches
maps when you access drivers & syst m calls. this 64K map allows for space for
data tables for OS9 internals. (Thats why some people get #237 errors when
Mfree reports plenty of memory) If you do not have Kevin Darlings "Inside OS9
Level II" book I strongly suggest it. He describes how the memory is set up for
Level II OS9.
I have tried in the past to put Shell and/or GrfDrv in the boot. OS9
automatically re-assigns it to a second map and won't appear in the 64K system
map. (using Kevin's utilities to see)
Mike Guzzi

#: 8004 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Nov-90  23:20:08
Sb: #7928-#Disto HD and no halt?
Fm: Ken Scales 74646,2237
To: John Wight 76370,2100 (X)
John - Since you have a Disto HD host computer adaptor, you are using either a
SASI or a SCSI interface to your MFM drive.  (MFM and RLL are analogous to
single and double density on a floppy drive, and can be used with SASI, SCSI,
506/412, and other interfaces, even though some mail-order ads imply otherwise.
SASI/SCSI define the electrical interface and commands used on that 50-pin bus
between the host computer adaptor and the drive controller.)
To check which version of the driver you are currently using, do an "ident -m
cchdisk", and note the CRC reported.  If it is $A1199D or $A50917, then you are
using one of the SASI drivers.  If it is $B7AA8D, then you are using the SCSI
driver.  If it is none of these, then there have probably already been some
patches applied, and you will have to give us a few more details about the
equipment in your HD setup.
Good luck... / Ken
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#: 8096 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    10-Nov-90  01:09:57
Sb: #8004-#Disto HD and no halt?
Fm: John Wight 76370,2100
To: Ken Scales 74646,2237 (X)
Thanks for the info. According to the information you gave me, I am using one
of the Srivers. Thanks for trying to clarify MFM and SCSI/SASI for me. I was
under the impression they were different interfaces, but with my electronics
background I should have known better, and it actually makes sense. Off to
download the file.
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#: 8259 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-Nov-90  00:19:12
Sb: #8096-Disto HD and no halt?
Fm: John Wight 76370,2100
To: John Wight 76370,2100 (X)
Just to let you know that the patched CCHDISK driver has been tested and proven
on my system. Just to let you know how well it works: Now, I can be recieving
FIDO mail on my RiBBS system, at the same time I  am reading, editing, and
saving my mail with a RiBBS in another window, with no errors on the XMODEM
mail download. Of course the clock lost no time during the processing of the
huge message base either, and I was able to do something in another window
without my system halting all the time. GOOD JOB !!!

#: 8260 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-Nov-90  00:25:32
Sb: #8004-Disto HD and no halt?
Fm: John Wight 76370,2100
To: Ken Scales 74646,2237 (X)
Oops, I meant for the previous message to go to you instead of me :-). Anyway,
it tells about my first experiences with my patched CCHDISK driver. GOOD JOB
!!!

#: 8267 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-Nov-90  07:16:09
Sb: #8004-Disto HD and no halt?
Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
To: Ken Scales 74646,2237 (X)
Ken:
I checked this out just in time. I'm putting together a Disto HD system right
now. Will this patch give me true no halt? What would be nice, is to be able to
use Sterm's B+ option on the HD. I can do it right now with a RAM disk, but it
would be nice to free up the memory.
There are a couple of other things in the works that if they pan out may be of
some interest to a few, but until they fly I'm not getting too excited.
By the way. My drive is a Seagate ST296N 85Meg SCSI. Happen to know the number
of heads and cylinders on one of them? Looked through all the docs that came
with it, but they don't seem to cover this one. 65 is as big as it goes.
If it's ok to plug on here, Computer Direct has these for $360. (800-289-9473)
these guys have some good buys on stuff.
What file am I looking for?
     >Lute<

#: 8018 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Nov-90  13:19:43
Sb: #7958-Deskmate 3 Hardcoded?
Fm: Bill Henderson 72215,341
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
Zack,
Yeah, I remember the file but it does more than I want. i want it just to use
floppies and any vdg screen.
Bill

#: 8019 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Nov-90  13:20:35
Sb: #7964-Deskmate 3 Hardcoded?
Fm: Bill Henderson 72215,341
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kev,
I'll check DESK.SCR out. Thanks!
   BIll

#: 8023 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Nov-90  15:41:33
Sb: #Boot Problems
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: All
My system has suddenly developed a problem withh booting from my hard drive.
When I type DOS, it starts from the floppy just fine.  But, as soon as it
accesses the hard drive, the dreaded "FAILED" message appears.  I have been
able to boot from a floppy and load in my hard drive descriptors.  Everything
seems fine on the hard drive.  What is OS9 looking for once it goes to the hard
drive to finish booting?
There is 1 Reply.

#: 8024 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Nov-90  15:58:22
Sb: #8023-#Boot Problems
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
Hmm - are Shell and GrfDrv in the /h0/cmds directory?
Pete
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#: 8043 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    06-Nov-90  05:57:42
Sb: #8024-#Boot Problems
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Yep, both Shell and GrfDrv are there and I've IDENTed them to make sure that
they are okay.  They're okay.  I haven't checked the permissions yet.  This is
darn puzzling!
Floyd
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#: 8245 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-Nov-90  13:30:34
Sb: #8043-#Boot Problems
Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
~ Ok if SHELL and GrfDrv are in CMDS and both have the E and PE attributes on
start looking for other possibilities. Did you recently make a new OS9Boot?
Might have a BLOB problem. or as Kevin points out in his BLOB.TXT file have you
recently added something like a cordless phone nearby? Hard drives are very
sensitive to EM Fields and using a B&B system with 4 foot cables can invite
problems. I wrapped mine in Aluminum foil and covered it with duct tape and
that solved some spuratic read errors. if these check out OK make sure the hard
drive modules you load in to memory and the ones in your OS9Boot match up. (use
CMP on them) sometimes you may forget you changed something...
just throwing out some random thoughrs to hopefully nail it down...
Mike Guzzi
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#: 8247 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-Nov-90  14:54:23
Sb: #8245-Boot Problems
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
Well, I think I discovered a problem.  What I did was add the modules necessary
for King's Quest III to my boot.  I had had them in the boot before but had
removed them to save on system memory.  However, this time when I added them I
got the FAILED message.  What made me thing there was something wrong was the
fact that before I add the modules, the system was not booting like it normally
did.  For some reason it was not merging in the standard pointers.  I have no
idea why - it always worked in the past.  Anyway, so the new boot disk did not
work.  Well, I found another boot disk and tried it.  It didn't work either. 
So I'm thinking that there is something dreadfully wrong.  Well, a couple of
days ago I found another boot disk for my hard drive system and tried it. 
Bingo!  Everything started working fine.  So, apparently, my problem was the
boot disk, and, because of circumstance, I thought it was something else.
Floyd

#: 8030 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Nov-90  18:29:27
Sb: #hardware
Fm: tom farrow 72701,543
To: OS  9/Freinds
Looking for information on DISTO MBA-1 3 in 1 board for my COCO3. First does it
require a multipak? Second can you run a disk controler with it? does it
require an outside power supply?
There is 1 Reply.

#: 8039 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Nov-90  21:41:58
Sb: #8030-hardware
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: tom farrow 72701,543 (X)
Hi Tom - if you don't own a Disto SC-I or SC-II disk controller, then the 3-1
board would have to go in a special adapter card from them.... which yes, would
work in a multipak.  Ummm, might need to run an interrupt wire into your
computer tho, from it, as the floppy controller is gonna steal the main slot
select on the MPI.  I can't recall if it needs a power pack or not... I'd guess
yes for the RS232 port.  Anyone know?  I can't find my docs.

#: 8040 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Nov-90  21:57:32
Sb: #New PacOS9
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: all
   For all those that enjoyed PACOS9, I have just uploaded the latest version.
  This one uncorporates a lot of new features, like multiple screens, the
saving of scores and more.
    I hope you enjoy this version.
  Larry Olson
  72227,3467
There is 1 Reply.

#: 8042 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    06-Nov-90  00:07:17
Sb: #8040-#New PacOS9
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)
GREAT!!!  I really have enjoyed the first version, and am running to the Libs
to DL the newer one!!  Thanks for sharing it with us!
Mike
There is 1 Reply.

#: 8048 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    06-Nov-90  12:25:29
Sb: #8042-New PacOS9
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)
Mike,  thanks for the kind words.
  I have been tweeking with this program long enough, and I thought I should
get it out.
  Larry

#: 8085 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    08-Nov-90  22:54:21
Sb: #Mem help!
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: all
What do I do if I get an error 32 when trying to use a program?? Tryed typeing
program name then #k and no luck! What next?? any help?
There is 1 Reply.

#: 8086 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Nov-90  02:07:26
Sb: #8085-#Mem help!
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
Ev - just for fun (I dunno if this will work), try "runb program #xxk" instead.
If you wrote it yourself, did you check to make sure it had enough variable
space before packing it?
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#: 8090 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Nov-90  17:24:54
Sb: #8086-#Mem help!
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
I will upload it to you ok?
b09 file
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#: 8130 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    12-Nov-90  03:56:18
Sb: #8090-#Mem help!
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
Ev - turned out to be pretty simple in the end.  Try "inventory #16k". PMAP
showed that using #32k didn't leave enough room to bring in gfx2, etc... while
#8k was too little according to the original basic09 source.
Do you also have gfx2, inkey, and syscall merged together?
best - kev
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#: 8162 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    12-Nov-90  21:44:05
Sb: #8130-#Mem help!
Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Yes I still have them merged! why would I load this first?
There is 1 Reply.

#: 8166 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    13-Nov-90  03:34:07
Sb: #8162-Mem help!
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
No, shouldn't have to load the merged modules (gfx2 etc) first, or at least as
long as you had 3 copies on disk, each in a different order and name.... so
that whichever one is first called, all would come in, y'see.  Me, I just
always preload them ;-).
I just mentioned having them merged, so that you wouldn't run out of space in
your basic09 / runb 64K map.

#: 8095 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Nov-90  23:46:31
Sb: #Missing file
Fm: Jim Truesdale 70335,1064
To: Sysop (X)
Last spring there was a file in LIB 10 named FORMAT.B09,
 dated 4/18/87.  Now I can't find it.  What happened?
  I would like to download it.
There is 1 Reply.

#: 8098 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    10-Nov-90  09:03:39
Sb: #8095-Missing file
Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013
To: Jim Truesdale 70335,1064 (X)
I looked about in the files I have from Lib 10 here on floppie from WAY back
but couldn't locate it. Looks like it got caught in one of the periodic purges.
What did the program do? Perhaps someone out there has a copy of FORMAT.B09 or
something similar that will serve your needs?

#: 8099 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    10-Nov-90  09:18:50
Sb: #BASIC09 Disk
Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663
To: all
 In regards to the problem I have been having reading my BASIC09 disk with my
antiquated disk drive, I remember reading somewhere once, in Rainbow I think,
that the older disk drives won't work as well if the CoCo is in high speed
mode. Does anyone think it possible that I can't read my BASIC09 disk because
OS9 has me running in high speed mode. If so, how to I do a poke in OS9 if I
can't get BASIC09 to run? Can I use a POKE like command to reduce the speed
before running BASIC09? Does any of this make sense?
 Rex
There is 1 Reply.

#: 8222 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-Nov-90  07:33:11
Sb: #8099-#BASIC09 Disk
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: REX GOODE 73777,3663 (X)
Rex, yes, you can use B09 to slow down the CoCo. I don't remember the address
though.
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#: 8328 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-Nov-90  08:55:36
Sb: #8222-BASIC09 Disk
Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X)
Bill,
 I am waiting for a replacement of my B09 disk from Tandy. The one I bought was
bad and I haven't been able to use B09. I assume that the address to poke to is
the same for Disk Extended BASIC. Is there a POKE command in B09?
  Rex

#: 8117 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-Nov-90  13:04:24
Sb: #7703-WD & HD Problems
Fm: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273
To: Mike Stephenson 71655,415 (X)
Mike,
  Sorry for replying so late, but I finally did answer your email.  I don't
think the problem is too hard to fix.
  Bruce

#: 8177 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    13-Nov-90  18:44:27
Sb: #hard drive query
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: ALL
This is a message from a friend, can anyone help?  Responses
should be addressed to me.
From: BOB BILLSON
  To: HUGO BUENO (Rcvd)
Subj: COULD YOU ASK ON CI$?
Hugo,
Could you ask if anyone has ever gotten a hard drive 
made for the TRS-80 Model II to work on the CoCo (OS-9 Level II)?
I was given an 8 meg hard drive.  Supposedly it is a primary drive.  I *HAVE* 
Tandy's Primary Hard Drive Controller for the CoCo.  (Actually the thing is an 
interface.  The controller is supposed to be built in to the drive.)
Surely some must have tried using a Model II drive on the CoCo.  I have no 
docs.  When I plug it in.  The CoCo usually starts to boot OS-9 then crashes.
I was attempting to use the Level I CCHDisk driver and descriptors.
Be nice if I could get it to work.  But I need more info to do anything.
Thanks.
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#: 8179 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    13-Nov-90  22:24:46
Sb: #8177-#hard drive query
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)
Hugo, Bill - I've forgotten whether anyone got that combo to work or not (I
think it depended).  First, I'd drop back to L-I to try it.  Second, I'd rename
H0 to something else inside the module so os9 doesn't try to use it on boot.
If you do want to try it under L-II, at the least patch the address in H0
(remember? FFxxxx to 07Fxxx ?  See ST225.AR in lib 10 also (I dunno if it helps
or not).  I'll ask around... it's been years since someone asked this Q>
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#: 8205 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Nov-90  19:22:25
Sb: #8179-hard drive query
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Kevin,
Thanks for the response. I'll forward it to Bob and see what happens from
there.
Hugo

#: 8188 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    14-Nov-90  23:11:03
Sb: #Os-9 help
Fm: Walter Noon 71630,1267
To: all
Hello... I just picked up a CoCo three and the Radio Shack OS-9 Level 2
operating system for it.  I've had a CoCo one for years and know it pretty
well, but, needless to say OS-9 is a whole new ballgame and \i could use a
little bargin basic advice. I'm very eager to get OS-9 basic up and running,
however when I try to load it from a disk I get error 216.  The manual says
that means the program isn't there, however this in an official Radio Shack
copy and it says right on the label OS-9 basic config disk! I've followed the
procedure direct from the manual.  What am I doing wrong? Also I wrote/run a
BBS on my CoCo one, and would love to run it from my CoCo three now that I have
it.  I wrote it in Basic and use Pete Lyal's RS-232 driver... Is there an OS-9
BBS driver that will let me run my BBS on the CoCo three??
       Thanks! Walt Noon P.S. My BBS # for anyone interested in LD calling is:
714 369 6094
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#: 8189 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    14-Nov-90  23:36:10
Sb: #8188-#Os-9 help
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Walter Noon 71630,1267 (X)
Hi Walter - see message #7993 here... it answers the same question.
Do you have two drives or just one?  If two, put the disk in the other drive
and type "dir /d1" and "dir /d1/cmds"... you should see basic09 in there.  Then
just "load /d1/cmds/basic09".
Welcome aboard, btw! It gets easier, I promise!  Kev
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#: 8198 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Nov-90  14:17:09
Sb: #8189-Os-9 help
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Not only does it get easier, it gets a lot more fun.  I haven't touched RS-DOS
in months (except to play games and type the DOS command)!

#: 8202 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Nov-90  18:32:32
Sb: #8188-Os-9 help
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Walter Noon 71630,1267 (X)
Either use an "absolute" path name, i.e. load /d0/cmds/basic09, or do a chd and
chx when you change floppies.  If you do the former, you should switch back to
the floppy you were using immediately after you do the load command.

#: 8261 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-Nov-90  00:57:25
Sb: #8188-#Os-9 help
Fm: Peter Bergerson 70175,1142
To: Walter Noon 71630,1267 (X)
Maybe this note will help some of you new OS9ers.
BASIC09 and all of it's related files are located in the "CMDS" directory of
the boot/config/basic09 disk as distributed by Radio Shack.
The manuals do not always make it clear that executable files (programs,
commands, procedures) are placed in that CMDS directory
This seems to confuse a lot of newcomers until they get used to OS9's use of
two(2) current directories instead of one(1) as in MSDOS or UNIX.
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#: 8283 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-Nov-90  23:55:30
Sb: #8261-#Os-9 help
Fm: Walter Noon 71630,1267
To: Peter Bergerson 70175,1142
Thanks for all the responces to my OS9 question... I`ll give them a try as so
as  I am home and on my CoCo again!!!!   I still would like to know if it is
possible to run the BBS I wrote in basic on OS9.  Have the additional speed
would be nifty, and as some of you have said, I really have no desire to look
at RS DOS again.   I started out as a pascal programmer, and have some Z80
machine language background so RS basic was always troublesome...  Then again,
it does usually do the job. The other problem I have now is with animation.  I
just purchased CoCo max III hoping to do ~animation" as promised in thier ad. 
Unfortunatly, though it is a good program, when they refer to animation they
just mean flickering colors on the screen.   I would like to do cartoon style
animation (as in having many pages to write to and flipping pages rapidly) is
there anything like this available????? Well, I`m off to plunge back into the
wonderful world (and sorid manual) of OS9.  Wish me luck.  And THANKS!
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#: 8287 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-Nov-90  07:39:27
Sb: #8283-Os-9 help
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Walter Noon 71630,1267
Walter,
   Does your BBS program, written in RS-DOS, contain pokes to certain locations
in memory? If so, that could be a bugaboo with OS9.
   Dan

#: 8191 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Nov-90  01:52:40
Sb: shell +
Fm: Marcelo Katzeff 72520,640
To: SYSOP (X)
    Does anyone know a way to prevent Shell+ 2.1 from printing the time and
date as soon as it is forked?  I don't mean in the prompt but just before it is
ready it prints 'Shell+ v2.1 90/11/13 18:51:34'.  I would like to keep it from
printing the time and date.
    The reason is this : I am running a BBS, under RiBBS v2.0.  It allows users
access to shell commands.  It forks login fine and the user may enter their
name and password, but as soon as the shell is forked there comes up about 20
'ERROR #214' or 'ERROR #215' and then it exits.  Shell+ works fine with the
origonal ACIAPAK, but for some reason when it is called through the ACIAPAK
that is patched for RiBBS it is not happy.
    The original shell works for us, but it is not the same, as you may know. I
figure the printing of the time to be the problem because it appears to be the
only difference between the two shells on startup.  Any help would be greatly
appreciated.    Thanks.

#: 8243 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-Nov-90  13:29:58
Sb: #7934-#OS/9 Auto Boot on COCO3
Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
To: joe novosel 76220,1270 (X)
~ This file I have to burn the kernal in ROM applies only to Level II since it
makes reference to REL BOOT and OS9p1 (level II modules) This file patches the
modules to allow them to come in from ROM and possibly to add the vectors which
would not be present without the BASIC ROM's. The file is a bit vauge and does
not tell you if ohis new ROM goes into the Disk Controller or inside the CoCo3.
I would assume inside the CoCo3.
I use Pete's Disk ROM. it automatically does a DOS command on power-up unless
you hold down a key when turning the CoCo on. This will work for ANY CoCo and
requires no patches to OS9 and still allows you to use RSDOS stuff as well. I
bought a copy of the code for $10 (I have my own EPROM burner) but he also can
do it for nou (will cost more of course)
I use it for my BBS. I leave my system disk in all the time and the CC3GO
module is modified to look for "StartupBBS" instead of startup to auto-boot my
BBS. (my normal startup doesn't boot the BBS) then to prevent a glitch on the
system disk (in case of power failure) i run the DPARK command on /D0 which
moves the heads to track 41 (the system disk is only 35 track)
Either method still requires OS9Boot on /D0. The only way around it is to put
the whole OS9Boot into ROM (undoubtly requires patches) and I have never heard
of this being done. Besides there is only 32K of ROM total (including tee disk
ROM) and that isn't enough.
Mike Guzzi
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#: 8281 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-Nov-90  22:55:57
Sb: #8243-OS/9 Auto Boot on COCO3
Fm: joe novosel 76220,1270
To: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
Thanks, Mike.  I have patched the RS-DOS 1.1 rom myself to do an auto boot on
power up. It does the job..  Still, it would be nice to OS/9 in ROM to
eliminate booting from floppy disks for those of us without the Burke and Burke
interface. Thanks, Joe Novosel

#: 8244 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-Nov-90  13:30:12
Sb: #7967-#"DOS"
Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
To: REX GOODE 73777,3663 (X)
~ Well OS9 has many terminal programs but none are included with it. DeskMate3
has a telecom package and allows for Xmodem downloads which can be used to
download a public Domain terminal program with many features. There are ways to
download stuff in RSDOS and convert them to OS9 formats. If your really in a
jam someone (like me) could send you some Oo9 utilities and terminal programs
on an OS9 disk which will get you running real nice.
Mike Guzzi
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#: 8333 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-Nov-90  09:54:41
Sb: #8244-"DOS"
Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663
To: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
Thanks Mike,
 I have been hoping to get a BASIC09 disk from Tandy, since my original was no
good. It's taking forever. After I get going on it, I'll probably be interested
in learning more, but right now, I can't even CONFIG OS9. I hate spending bucks
for something only to find the disk is bad and because RS stores rarely carry
it anymore, I have to wait for up to two weeks for a replacement. I bought the
Direct Connect Modem Pak and have been able to at least DLOAD BASIC files.
  Rex

#: 8299 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-Nov-90  14:41:21
Sb: #thanks
Fm: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137
To: sysop lib#10 (X)
Thanks for all the helpfull info! With that and a couple of utilities from here
and the coco sig,
 I have solved most of the problems I was having.
 I did run into one glitch, though. Is there a size limit for files that DOSOR9
 will handle? I dow'ed TREK.AR from the coco lib.
 #9 and DOSOR9 wouldn't convert it. Every time I tried, the files on the disk
before that one were transfered o.k. but at that file, the program gave me an
FC ERROR at line something or other. The same thing happened when I did a disk
with ONLY that file on it.
 I still don't have a terminal program running on OS9. I got VTERM assembled,
and if I had a multipak and RS232, I'm sure it would work. I've been trying to
get a /t1-/RS232 combo together using together using BBANGR.BIN . I made up the
cable and put together a bootfile (ver. 02.00.00), but it did'nt work. I even
re-connected my COCO II and tried it with ver. 1.01.00. No dice. I get an
orange bar that moves across the screen (and stops) as the host transmits. The
VTERM doc's says something about a 6850 ACIA. I'll try other terminal programs
and hit the books to try to find a way to work BBAANGR.BIN in as a device
discriptor/driver on lev. II.
 Thanks again, and as always, any comments or suggestions will be greatly
appreciated.
                                             Bruce
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#: 8305 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-Nov-90  18:09:30
Sb: #8299-#thanks
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 (X)
Bruce -
I think the later DOSOR9 will handle up to 64K or so?  The FC ERROR is right
where it handles sector math stuff, and you might be able to figure out how to
make it go even higher (use more bytes for math).
But... this is what I'd do instead; which will take a little while to set up,
but well worth the results. Get:
 Lib  9: RSDOS.AR  - program to read/write/dir RSDOS disks.
 Lib 10: CC3DIS.AR - ipatch to create new driver for rsdos/etc command.
 Lib 10: PATCH.AR  - the ipatch program (if you don't have it already).
With ipatch you create the new cc3disk (from the original), then make a new
bootfile and reboot.
Now you can use the rsdos util under OS9 to transfer files from rsdos disks.
Very handy, and you can also use PCDOS.AR in Lib 10 to do the same with msdos
files.  Yell if need help! best - kev
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#: 8311 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-Nov-90  23:25:17
Sb: #8305-#thanks
Fm: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
kEvi love to tinker, so i think i'll give both paths a try. thanks for the
help, and such a timely reply! have a nice holiday...
                                                 bruce
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#: 8316 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-Nov-90  02:49:59
Sb: #8311-thanks
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137
Thx, and same to you Bruce!   We love "tinkerers" around here, so ask away if
you get some needs or ideas <grin>. - kev

#: 8349 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-Nov-90  10:27:14
Sb: #BASIC09 disk
Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663
To: All
 Just to let you all know, I received my BASIC09 disk last night from Tandy,
you know, the one that I couldn't load for some reason. It worked great. Now I
don't have to keep worrying that my disk drive couldnt do the job. I'm looking
forward to learning all about BASIC09 and OS9. I finally was able to use CONFIG
and add a printer to my list of devices so I can use Color Artist by Steve
Bjork. Bless you all. Thanks.
  Rex
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#: 8355 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-Nov-90  18:38:22
Sb: #8349-BASIC09 disk
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: REX GOODE 73777,3663 (X)
Rex -   Great!!  Have fun <grin> - kev

#: 8350 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-Nov-90  10:27:36
Sb: #Color Artist
Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663
To: All
 I bought Color Artist, a program by Steve Bjork. I'm enjoying using it. It's
the kind of program my kids go nuts over. Now that I have my CONFIG disk that
works, I can use Color Artist with my DMP-100 printer. However, I am having a
problem with it that I hope someone here can help me with.
 The DMP-100 is switchable between 600 and 1200 baud. I used "xmode /p baud=3"
to set the baud rate to 1200 before running Color Artist. This worked great.
 I used Color Artist to just draw a simple line, to test the printer. Here is
what my line looked like:
  ****
      ****
          ****
              **** (get the idea?)
 Here is how it printed:
  ****
      **
        **
          ****
               ****
 It seemed to be doing to line feeds between each printing. Any ideas?
   Rex
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#: 8353 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-Nov-90  18:28:18
Sb: #8350-#Color Artist
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: REX GOODE 73777,3663 (X)
I bet "xmode /p -lf" would do the job.
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#: 8362 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-Nov-90  10:00:24
Sb: #8353-Color Artist
Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
Thanks James. I'll give it a try.
  Rex

#: 8363 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-Nov-90  11:24:04
Sb: #File Info
Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Hi. I want to ask you something about obtaining filename information. I was
wondering how to get that without scanning the whole directory. Let's say I
need some information on a file called 'TESTFILE.EXT'. Do I open that file as
READ+DIR? or just READ? Do I set the data TYPE as
 TYPE file=name$:STRING[29];lsn0,lsn1,lsn2:BYTE and then go to the sector with
the information that I need with another type
 TYPE
sector=att:BYTE;own:INTEGER;y,m,d,mi,link:BYTE;sz1,sz2,sz3,sz4:BYTE;yr,mo,da:BYTE;seg:STRING[240]?
I need to get info on a file quickly without scanning the whole directory. The
way I have this program that I'm working on set up is
 it reads a directory until it finds the filename that its looking for, opens
another path as "/dd@", gets the info from that and prints the results.
However; it takes a little longer than I want it to. I'd like to just be able
to open the file and get the info that way if I could without using SysCall..
Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
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#: 8364 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-Nov-90  12:14:19
Sb: #8363-#File Info
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: George Hendrickson 71071,2003 (X)
George -
You have two options:
a) Do as you're doing.... open the directory, scan until you find the name,
then use the 3 byte LSN to get the file's FD sector number, then go  get that
on /DD@ and dissect it - or -
b) Open the file, use the getstat SS.FD which will snag the file's FD sector
into a buffer you allocate.
The a) approach is actually quicker, since it's being done under the sheets
anyway in approach b)
Pete
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#: 8374 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-Nov-90  12:10:18
Sb: #8364-#File Info
Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Thanks for the help. I was using a) and it took about 3 seconds to find the
filename and give the info on it. Does the other way use SysCall? I've got an
idea on how to cut down on search time....I'll play with that for awhile.
Thanks again...
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#: 8376 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-Nov-90  13:11:22
Sb: #8374-File Info
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
One possibility is to read the whole directory into RAM in one shot. You could
use _gs_size to determine how big it is, and you could even dynamically
allocate the storage for it (if using C) using a malloc(). If using B09, you
may need to set aside a certain reasonable maximum sized buffer. Reading in one
fell swoop is much quicker than several 32 byte reads.
Then, you could do the lookup in RAM, which would be much faster. 3 seconds
sounds pretty slow.
Pete

#: 8368 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-Nov-90  18:24:39
Sb: #Boot File
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: ALL
Is there any way to change an OS9Boot module, for example, change D0_35s to
D0_40d or change TERM_VDG to TERM_WIN,  WITHOUT making a new disk. I want to be
able to change them ON the existing disk. Any help would be greatly
appreciated. OS9 Level Two manual is as clear as mud :-)
Bob
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#: 8369 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-Nov-90  18:37:17
Sb: #8368-#Boot File
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)
Yep -
You can use the dEd disk editor (DL9 or 10), Patch, or any number of other
utilities to patch a boot file. If running a coco/2/3, dEd is probably your
best bet, and the price is right.
Pete
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#: 8370 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-Nov-90  21:40:57
Sb: #8369-Boot File
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Thanx very much, Pete, I'll give it a try!
Bob

#: 8378 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-Nov-90  18:47:58
Sb: #Boot File
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Pete Lyall
Pete,
I downloaded dEd.ar as you suggested. I thought the OS9 manual was bad. I don't
understand a thing in the docs. I know NOTHING about byte offsets in a module
or anything else mentioned in that.
Could you briefly describe HOW I could change the bootfile modules as I
requested?
For example - change D0_35S to D0_40D  or  change TERM_VDG to TERM_WIN as well
as adding a module to a bootfile.
Without some explanation, that program is useless to me. Sorry for my
ignorance.
Bob
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#: 8381 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-Nov-90  21:59:51
Sb: #8378-Boot File
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
Bob -
Well, one cheap and easy method is to use CMP to compare the two modules like
this:
  CMP <current module>  <desired module>
This will give you a list of the offsets and values of bytes that are
different.
The second (and more valuable) approach is to invest some time with the OS9
Technical Reference Manual in the section on RBF Device Descriptors. It'll pay
dividends later.
Pete

#: 8380 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-Nov-90  21:24:03
Sb: Tmode/Xmode/CC3go
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: ALL
I recently installed a new CC3go by Roger Krupski. Problem is, I use Kevin's
SCF, but the system doesn't give me the correct parameters when I open a shell.
For example, a TMODE of the /w1 shows reprint=04 and dup=01 but XMODE shows
reprint=09 dup=19. Is there any reason why the xmode shows the correct
parameters, but tmode doesn't?
Hugo
Press <CR> !>{

#: 8386 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    23-Nov-90  20:35:24
Sb: #8381-Boot File
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Thanx a lot for your help, Pete. Looks like it's time to "hit the books" :-)
Bob

#: 8388 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    23-Nov-90  22:30:43
Sb: #Disto HD
Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
To:  76257,562 (X)
James:
I opted for the Disto setup, the only problem is I'm using an ST296N. This is
an 85Meg drive, and when using the low level format from the Disto disk, I can
only squeeze 48Meg out of it. It says something in the docs about changing the
DATA lines to suit the drive your using, but I can't make heads or tails out of
what's in there now to know what to change.
I've changed the OS9 discripter to fit the drive, but 48s the most it will go.
Do you know what to change? Or maybe know someone who does? When it comes to
DECB, DOS is about all I know.
     >Lute<
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#: 8390 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    24-Nov-90  05:04:34
Sb: #8388-Disto HD
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)
Ack.  I'm afraid that I don't know what to change.  I hope that someone who
knows more about it will see your message and respond.

#: 8418 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    25-Nov-90  23:39:43
Sb: #8388-Disto HD
Fm: Ken Scales 74646,2237
To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
Lute -
Sounds like the RS-BASIC physical format worked OK for you, but some of your
Hmode (dmode) values were set up for using the drive under MS-DOG rather than
OS-9 when you did the Logical (OS-9) format.
You see, most retailers are advertising the ST296N as 84.9 Meg, which it is
when formatted with 34 sectors of 512 bytes on each track (MS-DOG).  But under
OS-9, we use 256-byte sectors, and due to the additional inter-sector overhead
of having lots of smaller sectors, we only get about 64 sectors (not 68) per
track.  This gives a total capacity of about 78.7 Meg.
But not to worry -- we have a lot less waste due to the way that OS-9 allocates
the disk space (note that 50% of the time the second half of that 512-byte
sector wouldn't be used, for example!), so you may actually get as much (or
MORE) usable space than your MS-DOG counterpart would have.
Following are suggested Hmode/Dmode values to use when you do the OS-9 Logical
format of the ST296N:
  /h0
  cyls=820 hds=6 step=0 sectrk=64 sectrk0=64alloc=16 ilv=3
  initcmd=00 inittbl=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000
By the way, I have a new version of the SCSI driver which will do the full
format under OS-9, so you don't need that RS-BASIC thingie. Beta-version
available from me at 613-836-6305, after 9 PM EST.
Regarding your question in msg #8267 re: "no-halt" -- yes, my version of the
driver will allow you to use Sterm in the "-f" mode.
Good luck... / Ken

#: 8395 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    24-Nov-90  05:54:04
Sb: #8380-#Tmode/Xmode/CC3go
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)
? TMODE displays the current state... a copy of the Device descriptor taken
from the default, and called, I think, the Path Descriptor. TMODE modifies this
copy. XMODE modifies/displays the Device Descriptor itself. The copy process
takes place when the path is opened. So, an XMODE has no effect on an open
window, and TMODE is only in effect until the window is closed. My guess is
that your CC3Go hack is diddling with the PD. If it is modifying
c
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#: 8396 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    24-Nov-90  05:58:19
Sb: #8395-Tmode/Xmode/CC3go
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
Durned CIS editor! That was "modifying /W". CIS took the "/" as a command and
barfed. It used to be they had a "continue" command. Progress. <grin>. Anyway,
if the code modifies /W itself, then you are headed for grief anyway.

#: 8429 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    26-Nov-90  18:02:59
Sb: #8395-Tmode/Xmode/CC3go
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
Bill,
Your reply to me seems to have lost some characters. Anyway, further use has
disclosed that /TERM gets the correct parameters, but all /wx devices don't.
Hugo

#: 8404 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    25-Nov-90  01:28:36
Sb: #Help
Fm: The Rev. Wayne C. Paul 76477,142
To: All
I am looking for the file CLIP.TXT that was mentioned in K. Darling's
BESTOF1.TXT file in DL10. Thankyou. The Rev. Wayne C. Paul [76477,142]
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#: 8405 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    25-Nov-90  10:01:56
Sb: #8404-Help
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: The Rev. Wayne C. Paul 76477,142
Wayne - see CLPSTD.???  in Lib 15.  best - kev

#: 8414 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    25-Nov-90  20:26:27
Sb: #format CRC
Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403
To: anyone
  Recently formatted a new disk & an error 243/CRC cropped up on one sector. 
Does OS9 de-allocate this sector somewhere in the directory so that no writes
take place, or is there a chance that there will be a bad save sometime later. 
If the latter is true I might as well chuck the whole disk. If not, then go
ahead and use it, right?    -ph-  (btw, I tried using a bulk tape eraser on it,
same problem;  other side of disk (side 2) is ok.)
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#: 8417 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    25-Nov-90  21:34:39
Sb: #8414-#format CRC
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X)
Paul - if the error popped up during the format verification pass, then yes OS9
should've locked it out (easy to tell.. just do a Free right after the format
is done, and see if it's one sector less than normal).
If you get an error later on during use tho, you have to lock it out manually.
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#: 8430 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    26-Nov-90  18:21:54
Sb: #8417-format CRC
Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
Well, if it's recorded as locked out then this would apply to only single files
which are copied to the disk as opposed to a disk-to-disk backup, n'est-ce pas?
(pardon my french).  Anyhow, I put up the question after Pete's chkdisk.b09
program couldn't correct the crc error after twice running (4 attempts).  Then
I tried it again after having done a disk backup and finding one module
wouldn't load properly.  On the 3rd try, or 6th pass the crc was fixed. I
deleted the one file, recopied it over, and voila, disk ok now.  (chkdisk still
shows error 194 on sector 0, but I ignored that; what's 194 error's
significance?)  -ph-

#: 8420 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    26-Nov-90  00:05:53
Sb: #8414-#format CRC
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X)
Paul -
OS9 marks that sector as allocated in the disk's bitmap. Later, if you run a
DCHECK on it, it'll probably gripe about 'sector NNNN allocated but not in
filesystem', or something like that.
Pete
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#: 8444 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    27-Nov-90  18:02:53
Sb: #8420-#format CRC
Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
Pete,
  I used your chkdisk.b09 program to try to fix the sector crc error.
It wasn't fixed after running the program twice. But on the 3rd try,  or 6th
pass, it was.  (but I'm not sure if wiping a real or imagined spot on the disk
had anything to do with it).  Anyhow, it's nice to have such a program handy.  
-ph-
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#: 8445 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    27-Nov-90  18:53:17
Sb: #8444-format CRC
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X)
Glad to help, Paul. Chkdsk isn't too brainy - just persistent!
Pete

#: 8419 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    25-Nov-90  23:43:19
Sb: #8259-Disto HD and no halt?
Fm: Ken Scales 74646,2237
To: John Wight 76370,2100
John -
Great! Glad to hear that the patched CCHDISK was useful for you. Sounds like
you like giving your system a good workout!
Cheers... / Ken